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David Arnstein
Oct 31, 2012, 5:04:54 PM10/31/12
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On my iPhone, I have configured a four digit pass code. When I push a
button on my (sleeping) iPhone, the first thing I see is a screen that
says "slide to unlock." After I slide, I see a screen that says "Enter
Passcode."
Can I get rid of the screen that says "slide to unlock?" It wastes my
time.
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David Arnstein (00)
arnstei...@pobox.com {{ }}
^^
button on my (sleeping) iPhone, the first thing I see is a screen that
says "slide to unlock." After I slide, I see a screen that says "Enter
Passcode."
Can I get rid of the screen that says "slide to unlock?" It wastes my
time.
--
David Arnstein (00)
arnstei...@pobox.com {{ }}
^^
Jolly Roger
Oct 31, 2012, 5:12:08 PM10/31/12
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In article <k6s3pm$2hf$2...@reader1.panix.com>,
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David Arnstein <arnstei...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On my iPhone, I have configured a four digit pass code. When I push a
> button on my (sleeping) iPhone, the first thing I see is a screen that
> says "slide to unlock." After I slide, I see a screen that says "Enter
> Passcode."
>
> Can I get rid of the screen that says "slide to unlock?" It wastes my
> time.
Not without jailbreaking.
> On my iPhone, I have configured a four digit pass code. When I push a
> button on my (sleeping) iPhone, the first thing I see is a screen that
> says "slide to unlock." After I slide, I see a screen that says "Enter
> Passcode."
>
> Can I get rid of the screen that says "slide to unlock?" It wastes my
> time.
--
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nospam
Oct 31, 2012, 5:15:18 PM10/31/12
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> On my iPhone, I have configured a four digit pass code. When I push a
> button on my (sleeping) iPhone, the first thing I see is a screen that
> says "slide to unlock." After I slide, I see a screen that says "Enter
> Passcode."
>
> Can I get rid of the screen that says "slide to unlock?" It wastes my
> time.
you can set it so that if you wake the phone within a short period of
> button on my (sleeping) iPhone, the first thing I see is a screen that
> says "slide to unlock." After I slide, I see a screen that says "Enter
> Passcode."
>
> Can I get rid of the screen that says "slide to unlock?" It wastes my
> time.
time, it won't ask. i have mine set to 15 minutes.
settings>general>passcode lock>require passcode
choices range from immediate to 4 hours.
if you jailbreak, you can remove it entirely.
Salgud
Nov 1, 2012, 9:53:49 AM11/1/12
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 21:04:54 +0000 (UTC), David Arnstein wrote:
> On my iPhone, I have configured a four digit pass code. When I push a
> button on my (sleeping) iPhone, the first thing I see is a screen that
> says "slide to unlock." After I slide, I see a screen that says "Enter
> Passcode."
>
> Can I get rid of the screen that says "slide to unlock?" It wastes my
> time.
Yes, HUGE waste of time. Lemme see, if it takes one second (doesn't really
> On my iPhone, I have configured a four digit pass code. When I push a
> button on my (sleeping) iPhone, the first thing I see is a screen that
> says "slide to unlock." After I slide, I see a screen that says "Enter
> Passcode."
>
> Can I get rid of the screen that says "slide to unlock?" It wastes my
> time.
take that long, but let's keep the calculation simple), and you do it 100
times a day (probably way more times than you do it, but let's err in your
favor), you're wasting 100 sec a day. Less than 2 min.
So lemme ask, do you watch any tv? Do you sometimes chat with a friend
about nothing important? Do you ever do anything without thinking it
through and then realize you just wasted 10 minutes, or 30 minutes, of your
life?
It's always amazing to me that people come to these forums worrying that it
takes them 2 clicks, or one swipe, more to do something and wastes a minute
or two a day of their apparently very valuable time when you know they
waste 10 times, more likely 100 times, more on more serious time-wasters.
If we were talking about money, we'd call it penny-wise and pound-foolish.
badgolferman
Nov 1, 2012, 10:07:41 AM11/1/12
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to others that it is quite annoying. There are many other things I
would like to change on my iPhone that are unavailable as an option.
Of course now you will say just get another phone that meets your
needs. I would if it was my phone, but this is a company phone and my
two choices are iPhone or BlackBerry. My last phone was a BlackBerry
and it had tons of options and customizations available, but it didn't
have many apps available and it's microphone is a piece of junk. This
time I chose the iPhone and it works okay for the most part, but the OS
gives very few options to change things to one's personal taste. That
is quite a disappointing discovery. Unfortunately Android devices are
not approved due to security concerns for some reason. Jailbreaking a
company phone is also frowned upon.
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nospam
Nov 1, 2012, 1:42:19 PM11/1/12
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In article <michelle-8ADB08...@news.eternal-september.org>,
not all options are meaningless.
> Slide-to-unlock is important because it keeps the phone from activating in
> case there's an accidental press on the Home or Sleep button while the
> phone is in a pocket, purse, or wherever.
if you don't put the phone in a pocket purse or wherever, then it's not
needed. there *can't* be an accidental wake with an iphone sitting on a
table.
not only that, but if it does wake accidentally in a pocket, there
won't be additional touch events to keep it awake, so it would go back
to sleep within a few seconds.
> After sliding that slider, the
> phone doesn't always require you enter the password. Depending on a
> meaningful option, "require passcode" can be up to four hours after the
> phone goes to sleep, or it can be turned off completely. Also, auto lock
> can be turned off completely.
true, but you still have to slide.
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > The point is there are so few options to customize an iPhone compared
> > to others that it is quite annoying. There are many other things I
> > would like to change on my iPhone that are unavailable as an option.
>
> The point is why clutter up things with meaningless options?
> > The point is there are so few options to customize an iPhone compared
> > to others that it is quite annoying. There are many other things I
> > would like to change on my iPhone that are unavailable as an option.
>
not all options are meaningless.
> Slide-to-unlock is important because it keeps the phone from activating in
> case there's an accidental press on the Home or Sleep button while the
> phone is in a pocket, purse, or wherever.
if you don't put the phone in a pocket purse or wherever, then it's not
needed. there *can't* be an accidental wake with an iphone sitting on a
table.
not only that, but if it does wake accidentally in a pocket, there
won't be additional touch events to keep it awake, so it would go back
to sleep within a few seconds.
> After sliding that slider, the
> phone doesn't always require you enter the password. Depending on a
> meaningful option, "require passcode" can be up to four hours after the
> phone goes to sleep, or it can be turned off completely. Also, auto lock
> can be turned off completely.
true, but you still have to slide.
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Salgud
Nov 1, 2012, 2:48:56 PM11/1/12
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don't have to enter a passcode, so small I can keep it in my left nostril,
while still allowing me to breath through that nostril, great looking, even
though it's so small I can hardly see it, connects everwhere all the time,
has every app I can imagine, has perfect sound, and is free. Anything else?
We each have in our pockets a device that allows us to make phone calls,
send email and text messages from virtually anywhere, guides us to our
destinations, gives us more games to play that we could try out in a
lifetime, helps us to buy tickets to movies and events, seeks out the best
restaurants in an unfamiliar area, tells us the weather for the next week
or so, plays our extensive music collection in any order we choose,
securely saves all our passwords, gives us the lastest updates on our
favorite sports teams minute by minute, contains as many books as magazines
as we want at any given time, scans barcodes at the store and gives us
competitive prices elsewhere, grabs a piece of virtually any music playing
and tells us the song name, the artist, and offers to allow us to purchase
it on the spot, take excellent quality pictures and videos and send them to
our families, alerts us to upcoming appointments and events, tracks our
task list, our movie list, our grocery list and, oh, yes, gives us access
to the web 24/7 from most anywhere on the planet. And there are people who
are unhappy with this! Just not enough, I guess. And never will be.
badgolferman
Nov 1, 2012, 3:00:30 PM11/1/12
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Have you customized it in any way? Do you have some extra icons on the
Desktop that you've placed in a different spot than the default? Is
the height or position of the monitor still at the same spot the first
day it was installed? Has your computer's password changed? You do
have a password, right?
Nearly all the default icons on my iPhone are either in a folder named
Unused or have been moved to a different position, including the dock
icons. I hate the internal browser so I use Chrome, but I can't make
it default. The e-mail client really sucks, but there isn't another
one I can use for corporate mail. iOS6 has really messed up the
notification handling for the e-mail client as well. It appears the
Calendar invites are royally screwed up with the new OS and we have
been told not to Accept or Deny invites with the phone because it sends
back a Cancelled meeting notification to everyone on the list of
attendees.
Why must we be limited in our ability to customize a computer to what
works best for us? Just because someone decided one layout fit their
eye the best?
Jolly Roger
Nov 1, 2012, 3:09:30 PM11/1/12
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In article <michelle-5176CD...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <011120121042194786%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
> pick it up to take it anywhere.
> Sleep button, and not to brush up against the screen and touch anything on
> the screen.
> inadvertent activation. In those situations, the slide is even more
> necessary.
He'll no doubt double down on his previous arguments and squirm around
trying to invalidate the points you made.
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <011120121042194786%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > The point is there are so few options to customize an iPhone
> > > > compared to others that it is quite annoying. There are many other
> > > > things I would like to change on my iPhone that are unavailable as
> > > > an option.
> > >
> > > The point is why clutter up things with meaningless options?
> >
> > not all options are meaningless.
>
> I never said they were. Why are you bringing up that red herring?
>
> > > > The point is there are so few options to customize an iPhone
> > > > compared to others that it is quite annoying. There are many other
> > > > things I would like to change on my iPhone that are unavailable as
> > > > an option.
> > >
> > > The point is why clutter up things with meaningless options?
> >
> > not all options are meaningless.
>
>
> > > Slide-to-unlock is important because it keeps the phone from activating
> > > in
> > > case there's an accidental press on the Home or Sleep button while the
> > > phone is in a pocket, purse, or wherever.
> >
> > if you don't put the phone in a pocket purse or wherever, then it's not
> > needed. there *can't* be an accidental wake with an iphone sitting on a
> > table.
>
> That's a great idea; leave the phone on a table all the time, and never
> > > Slide-to-unlock is important because it keeps the phone from activating
> > > in
> > > case there's an accidental press on the Home or Sleep button while the
> > > phone is in a pocket, purse, or wherever.
> >
> > if you don't put the phone in a pocket purse or wherever, then it's not
> > needed. there *can't* be an accidental wake with an iphone sitting on a
> > table.
>
> pick it up to take it anywhere.
>
> > not only that, but if it does wake accidentally in a pocket, there
> > won't be additional touch events to keep it awake, so it would go back
> > to sleep within a few seconds.
>
> Right, only one touch; the purse or pocket knows only to touch the Home or
> > not only that, but if it does wake accidentally in a pocket, there
> > won't be additional touch events to keep it awake, so it would go back
> > to sleep within a few seconds.
>
> Sleep button, and not to brush up against the screen and touch anything on
> the screen.
>
> > > After sliding that slider, the phone doesn't always require you enter
> > > the password. Depending on a meaningful option, "require passcode"
> > > can be up to four hours after the phone goes to sleep, or it can be
> > > turned off completely. Also, auto lock can be turned off completely.
> >
> > true, but you still have to slide.
>
> That's the point; you have to slide it in order to avoid accidental or
> > > After sliding that slider, the phone doesn't always require you enter
> > > the password. Depending on a meaningful option, "require passcode"
> > > can be up to four hours after the phone goes to sleep, or it can be
> > > turned off completely. Also, auto lock can be turned off completely.
> >
> > true, but you still have to slide.
>
> inadvertent activation. In those situations, the slide is even more
> necessary.
He'll no doubt double down on his previous arguments and squirm around
trying to invalidate the points you made.
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Jolly Roger
Nov 1, 2012, 3:32:04 PM11/1/12
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In article <michelle-C009D4...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <xn0i52io...@reader.albasani.net>,
> them, isn't it?
> wanted, it would become a UI nightmare.
Hey neato: the above sentence works just as well if you substitute the
word "Android" for "a UI nightmare". : )
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <xn0i52io...@reader.albasani.net>,
> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It appears the Calendar invites are royally screwed up with the new OS
> > and we have been told not to Accept or Deny invites with the phone
> > because it sends back a Cancelled meeting notification to everyone on
> > the list of attendees.
>
> That was only with Exchange invites, and surprise surprise, it's been fixed.
>
> > It appears the Calendar invites are royally screwed up with the new OS
> > and we have been told not to Accept or Deny invites with the phone
> > because it sends back a Cancelled meeting notification to everyone on
> > the list of attendees.
>
>
> > Nearly all the default icons on my iPhone are either in a folder named
> > Unused or have been moved to a different position, including the dock
> > icons.
>
> It is a shame that Apple doesn't require you to keep them where Apple put
> > Nearly all the default icons on my iPhone are either in a folder named
> > Unused or have been moved to a different position, including the dock
> > icons.
>
> them, isn't it?
>
> > iOS6 has really messed up the
> > notification handling for the e-mail client as well.
>
> How so?
> > iOS6 has really messed up the
> > notification handling for the e-mail client as well.
>
>
> > Why must we be limited in our ability to customize a computer to what
> > works best for us? Just because someone decided one layout fit their
> > eye the best?
>
> Because if Apple implemented every possible settings option that anyone
> > Why must we be limited in our ability to customize a computer to what
> > works best for us? Just because someone decided one layout fit their
> > eye the best?
>
> wanted, it would become a UI nightmare.
Hey neato: the above sentence works just as well if you substitute the
word "Android" for "a UI nightmare". : )
Salgud
Nov 1, 2012, 3:41:24 PM11/1/12
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nospam
Nov 1, 2012, 4:20:48 PM11/1/12
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In article <michelle-5176CD...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > Slide-to-unlock is important because it keeps the phone from activating
> > > in
> > > case there's an accidental press on the Home or Sleep button while the
> > > phone is in a pocket, purse, or wherever.
> >
> > if you don't put the phone in a pocket purse or wherever, then it's not
> > needed. there *can't* be an accidental wake with an iphone sitting on a
> > table.
>
> > not only that, but if it does wake accidentally in a pocket, there
> > won't be additional touch events to keep it awake, so it would go back
> > to sleep within a few seconds.
>
back to sleep. that's how it works *now*.
if the home button is pressed inside a bag or purse and there aren't
any other touch events, which there can't be because it requires a
finger not an object, it will go back to sleep.
> > > After sliding that slider, the phone doesn't always require you enter
> > > the password. Depending on a meaningful option, "require passcode"
> > > can be up to four hours after the phone goes to sleep, or it can be
> > > turned off completely. Also, auto lock can be turned off completely.
> >
> > true, but you still have to slide.
>
people want to remove it for those situations.
why do you have a problem with that?
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > > The point is there are so few options to customize an iPhone
> > > > compared to others that it is quite annoying. There are many other
> > > > things I would like to change on my iPhone that are unavailable as
> > > > an option.
> > >
> > > The point is why clutter up things with meaningless options?
> >
> > not all options are meaningless.
>
> > > > The point is there are so few options to customize an iPhone
> > > > compared to others that it is quite annoying. There are many other
> > > > things I would like to change on my iPhone that are unavailable as
> > > > an option.
> > >
> > > The point is why clutter up things with meaningless options?
> >
> > not all options are meaningless.
>
> I never said they were. Why are you bringing up that red herring?
i didn't say you did. don't twist things.
> > > Slide-to-unlock is important because it keeps the phone from activating
> > > in
> > > case there's an accidental press on the Home or Sleep button while the
> > > phone is in a pocket, purse, or wherever.
> >
> > if you don't put the phone in a pocket purse or wherever, then it's not
> > needed. there *can't* be an accidental wake with an iphone sitting on a
> > table.
>
> That's a great idea; leave the phone on a table all the time, and never
> pick it up to take it anywhere.
speaking of red herrings.
> pick it up to take it anywhere.
> > not only that, but if it does wake accidentally in a pocket, there
> > won't be additional touch events to keep it awake, so it would go back
> > to sleep within a few seconds.
>
> Right, only one touch; the purse or pocket knows only to touch the Home or
> Sleep button, and not to brush up against the screen and touch anything on
> the screen.
if you press the home button and don't do anything further, it will go
> Sleep button, and not to brush up against the screen and touch anything on
> the screen.
back to sleep. that's how it works *now*.
if the home button is pressed inside a bag or purse and there aren't
any other touch events, which there can't be because it requires a
finger not an object, it will go back to sleep.
> > > After sliding that slider, the phone doesn't always require you enter
> > > the password. Depending on a meaningful option, "require passcode"
> > > can be up to four hours after the phone goes to sleep, or it can be
> > > turned off completely. Also, auto lock can be turned off completely.
> >
> > true, but you still have to slide.
>
> That's the point; you have to slide it in order to avoid accidental or
> inadvertent activation. In those situations, the slide is even more
> necessary.
it's an annoyance that is not necessary in all situations and some
> inadvertent activation. In those situations, the slide is even more
> necessary.
people want to remove it for those situations.
why do you have a problem with that?
nospam
Nov 1, 2012, 4:20:51 PM11/1/12
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In article <jollyroger-2795F...@news.individual.net>,
of something, rather than resort to your juvenile insults.
Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> He'll no doubt double down on his previous arguments and squirm around
> trying to invalidate the points you made.
maybe one day you can actually discuss the advantages and disadvantages
> He'll no doubt double down on his previous arguments and squirm around
> trying to invalidate the points you made.
of something, rather than resort to your juvenile insults.
nospam
Nov 1, 2012, 4:20:52 PM11/1/12
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In article <michelle-C009D4...@news.eternal-september.org>,
they could offer additional customizability. nobody is asking for
'every possible settings option that anyone wanted.'
there is room for improvement.
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > Why must we be limited in our ability to customize a computer to what
> > works best for us? Just because someone decided one layout fit their
> > eye the best?
>
> > Why must we be limited in our ability to customize a computer to what
> > works best for us? Just because someone decided one layout fit their
> > eye the best?
>
> Because if Apple implemented every possible settings option that anyone
> wanted, it would become a UI nightmare.
red herring.
> wanted, it would become a UI nightmare.
they could offer additional customizability. nobody is asking for
'every possible settings option that anyone wanted.'
there is room for improvement.
badgolferman
Nov 1, 2012, 5:58:28 PM11/1/12
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Michelle Steiner wrote:
>> iOS6 has really messed up the
>> notification handling for the e-mail client as well.
>
>How so?
>> iOS6 has really messed up the
>> notification handling for the e-mail client as well.
>
I receive lots of work messages throughout the day or weekends when I
am away from my desktop computer. I don't want them all sitting in my
iPhone Inbox so I Move them to a local mailbox titled Temp. That way
when I get back to my computer I can move the messages to the various
mailboxes in Outlook that they belong for archiving purposes.
With the new iOS6 upgrade when I perform the Move function I get
notifications for each unread message plus one extra one popping up on
my screen as they are being moved. I am forced to press Dismiss for
each message that is moved. That is quite annoying, especially when
you move 6-8 messages at a time. This did not happen with iOS5.
On the BlackBerry there was an option to delete the messages on the
handheld but leave them on the Exchange server until Outlook retrieved
them. The iPhone will delete messages from the Exchange server if you
delete them from the handheld. Why couldn't there be more e-mail
options such as these?
No, iOS6.0.1 did not correct that problem. I downloaded today and
don't see any difference.
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Todd Allcock
Nov 1, 2012, 6:54:45 PM11/1/12
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argument, the iPhone should never have been released.
Doing things a better, easier, or more productive way has value.
Personally I don't find slide to unlock to be a hardship, but it is
pretty redundant when the PIN lock is active.
Turning it off could easily be an option in the lock screen setup menu
without it becoming a "UI nightmare"; "Disable slide to unlock when
device is PIN locked, On/Off". The odds that you'll "pocket dial" a PIN
code seems pretty remote, so slide to unlock isn't necessary when the
device is locked.
A better alternative might even be to combine the functions into a single
screen. Put the keypad/keyboard above the slide and make it all part of
the same UI. Enter the correct passcode and slide to submit the code.
Todd Allcock
Nov 1, 2012, 7:07:14 PM11/1/12
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At 01 Nov 2012 21:58:28 +0000 badgolferman wrote:
> Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
> >> iOS6 has really messed up the
> >> notification handling for the e-mail client as well.
> >
> >How so?
>
> I receive lots of work messages throughout the day or weekends when I
> am away from my desktop computer. I don't want them all sitting in my
> iPhone Inbox so I Move them to a local mailbox titled Temp. That way
> when I get back to my computer I can move the messages to the various
> mailboxes in Outlook that they belong for archiving purposes.
Wouldn't it be easier to create server-side or Outlook rules to do this
> Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
> >> iOS6 has really messed up the
> >> notification handling for the e-mail client as well.
> >
> >How so?
>
> I receive lots of work messages throughout the day or weekends when I
> am away from my desktop computer. I don't want them all sitting in my
> iPhone Inbox so I Move them to a local mailbox titled Temp. That way
> when I get back to my computer I can move the messages to the various
> mailboxes in Outlook that they belong for archiving purposes.
automagically?
> With the new iOS6 upgrade when I perform the Move function I get
> notifications for each unread message plus one extra one popping up on
> my screen as they are being moved. I am forced to press Dismiss for
> each message that is moved. That is quite annoying, especially when
> you move 6-8 messages at a time. This did not happen with iOS5.
> On the BlackBerry there was an option to delete the messages on the
> handheld but leave them on the Exchange server until Outlook retrieved
> them. The iPhone will delete messages from the Exchange server if you
> delete them from the handheld. Why couldn't there be more e-mail
> options such as these?
they don't really connect to Exchange, but to Blackberry's BES middleware
server, which contains copies of the mail on the Exchange server. The
copies can be deleted without affecting the originals.
The iPhone is an Exchange ActiveSync client, and any changes made on it
are mirrored on the server by design. Blame MS for that, not Apple.
(BTW, given the above, why do use a temp folder rather than just move the
mail to the appropriate folders right ok the iPhone? Those changes will
sync with the Exchange Server and you won't have to deal with them twice.)
badgolferman
Nov 1, 2012, 7:17:57 PM11/1/12
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Todd Allcock wrote:
>At 01 Nov 2012 21:58:28 +0000 badgolferman wrote:
>> Michelle Steiner wrote:
>>
>> >> iOS6 has really messed up the
>> >> notification handling for the e-mail client as well.
>> >
>> >How so?
>>
>> I receive lots of work messages throughout the day or weekends
>>when I am away from my desktop computer. I don't want them all
>>sitting in my iPhone Inbox so I Move them to a local mailbox
>>titled Temp. That way when I get back to my computer I can move
>>the messages to the various mailboxes in Outlook that they belong
>>for archiving purposes.
>
>Wouldn't it be easier to create server-side or Outlook rules to do
>this automagically?
No, my computer is a laptop and when I leave work it goes with me.
>At 01 Nov 2012 21:58:28 +0000 badgolferman wrote:
>> Michelle Steiner wrote:
>>
>> >> iOS6 has really messed up the
>> >> notification handling for the e-mail client as well.
>> >
>> >How so?
>>
>> I receive lots of work messages throughout the day or weekends
>>when I am away from my desktop computer. I don't want them all
>>sitting in my iPhone Inbox so I Move them to a local mailbox
>>titled Temp. That way when I get back to my computer I can move
>>the messages to the various mailboxes in Outlook that they belong
>>for archiving purposes.
>
>Wouldn't it be easier to create server-side or Outlook rules to do
>this automagically?
Rules in Outlook won't work when the computer is off. However I do
have Rules set up for that and when Outlook is up and connected to
Exchange exactly that does happen.
>> With the new iOS6 upgrade when I perform the Move function I get
>> notifications for each unread message plus one extra one popping
>>up on my screen as they are being moved. I am forced to press
>>Dismiss for each message that is moved. That is quite annoying,
>>especially when you move 6-8 messages at a time. This did not
>>happen with iOS5.
>
>That does suck!
>
>
>> On the BlackBerry there was an option to delete the messages on the
>> handheld but leave them on the Exchange server until Outlook
>>retrieved them. The iPhone will delete messages from the Exchange
>>server if you delete them from the handheld. Why couldn't there
>>be more e-mail options such as these?
>
>Exchange doesn't support that, AFAIK. Blackberries get around it
>because they don't really connect to Exchange, but to Blackberry's
>BES middleware server, which contains copies of the mail on the
>Exchange server. The copies can be deleted without affecting the
>originals.
>
>The iPhone is an Exchange ActiveSync client, and any changes made on
>it are mirrored on the server by design. Blame MS for that, not
>Apple.
>
>(BTW, given the above, why do use a temp folder rather than just move
>the mail to the appropriate folders right ok the iPhone? Those
>changes will sync with the Exchange Server and you won't have to deal
>with them twice.)
that on the Exchange server. However I may have to consider your
method and clean out my archive folder so it can be on the Exchange
server.
Jolly Roger
Nov 1, 2012, 7:41:43 PM11/1/12
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In article <011120121320515184%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
After you, fucknuts.
Jolly Roger
Nov 1, 2012, 7:49:14 PM11/1/12
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In article <xn0i52pfh...@reader.albasani.net>,
"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> >At 01 Nov 2012 21:58:28 +0000 badgolferman wrote:
> >> Michelle Steiner wrote:
> >>
> >> >> iOS6 has really messed up the
> >> >> notification handling for the e-mail client as well.
> >> >
> >> >How so?
> >>
> >> I receive lots of work messages throughout the day or weekends
> >>when I am away from my desktop computer. I don't want them all
> >>sitting in my iPhone Inbox so I Move them to a local mailbox
> >>titled Temp. That way when I get back to my computer I can move
> >>the messages to the various mailboxes in Outlook that they belong
> >>for archiving purposes.
> >
> >Wouldn't it be easier to create server-side or Outlook rules to do
> >this automagically?
>
> No, my computer is a laptop and when I leave work it goes with me.
> Rules in Outlook won't work when the computer is off.
Server-side rules do. RTFM.
> Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> >At 01 Nov 2012 21:58:28 +0000 badgolferman wrote:
> >> Michelle Steiner wrote:
> >>
> >> >> iOS6 has really messed up the
> >> >> notification handling for the e-mail client as well.
> >> >
> >> >How so?
> >>
> >> I receive lots of work messages throughout the day or weekends
> >>when I am away from my desktop computer. I don't want them all
> >>sitting in my iPhone Inbox so I Move them to a local mailbox
> >>titled Temp. That way when I get back to my computer I can move
> >>the messages to the various mailboxes in Outlook that they belong
> >>for archiving purposes.
> >
> >Wouldn't it be easier to create server-side or Outlook rules to do
> >this automagically?
>
> No, my computer is a laptop and when I leave work it goes with me.
> Rules in Outlook won't work when the computer is off.
Wes Groleau
Nov 1, 2012, 7:56:46 PM11/1/12
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On 11-01-2012 14:31, Michelle Steiner wrote:
to bang into it. Most of those things however, are not likely to be
conductive enough to trigger anything.
And if it is in its own pouch in the purse, the purse material is not
likely to have any effect.
A shirt pocket is another story. I've learned to always have something
"insulating" the screen from my chest, as most of my shirts are not
thick enough.
--
Wes Groleau
What kind of smiley is C:\ ?
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> not only that, but if it does wake accidentally in a pocket, there
>> won't be additional touch events to keep it awake, so it would go back
>> to sleep within a few seconds.
>
>> not only that, but if it does wake accidentally in a pocket, there
>> won't be additional touch events to keep it awake, so it would go back
>> to sleep within a few seconds.
>
> Right, only one touch; the purse or pocket knows only to touch the Home or
> Sleep button, and not to brush up against the screen and touch anything on
> the screen.
If I had a purse, I would NOT put an iPhone in it loose for other things
> Sleep button, and not to brush up against the screen and touch anything on
> the screen.
to bang into it. Most of those things however, are not likely to be
conductive enough to trigger anything.
And if it is in its own pouch in the purse, the purse material is not
likely to have any effect.
A shirt pocket is another story. I've learned to always have something
"insulating" the screen from my chest, as most of my shirts are not
thick enough.
--
Wes Groleau
What kind of smiley is C:\ ?
nospam
Nov 1, 2012, 7:57:52 PM11/1/12
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In article <michelle-E7BEAA...@news.eternal-september.org>,
never said that.
> > there is room for improvement.
>
> There is always room for improvement. Nothing is perfect.
except when you disapprove of the feature.
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > > Why must we be limited in our ability to customize a computer to
> > > > what works best for us? Just because someone decided one layout fit
> > > > their eye the best?
> > >
> > > Because if Apple implemented every possible settings option that
> > > anyone wanted, it would become a UI nightmare.
> >
> > red herring.
> >
> > they could offer additional customizability. nobody is asking for 'every
> > possible settings option that anyone wanted.'
>
> Oh, so they should offer only the customizability that you want?
> > > > Why must we be limited in our ability to customize a computer to
> > > > what works best for us? Just because someone decided one layout fit
> > > > their eye the best?
> > >
> > > Because if Apple implemented every possible settings option that
> > > anyone wanted, it would become a UI nightmare.
> >
> > red herring.
> >
> > they could offer additional customizability. nobody is asking for 'every
> > possible settings option that anyone wanted.'
>
never said that.
> > there is room for improvement.
>
except when you disapprove of the feature.
nospam
Nov 1, 2012, 7:57:56 PM11/1/12
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In article <michelle-AAEBAE...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> herring.
i didn't drag in anything, nor is it a red herring.
> > > > > Slide-to-unlock is important because it keeps the phone from
> > > > > activating in case there's an accidental press on the Home or
> > > > > Sleep button while the phone is in a pocket, purse, or wherever.
> > > >
> > > > if you don't put the phone in a pocket purse or wherever, then it's
> > > > not needed. there *can't* be an accidental wake with an iphone
> > > > sitting on a table.
> > >
> > > That's a great idea; leave the phone on a table all the time, and
> > > never pick it up to take it anywhere.
> >
> > speaking of red herrings.
>
> No red herring there; it's just a conclusion from what you wrote.
no, it's a distortion of yours.
> > > Right, only one touch; the purse or pocket knows only to touch the
> > > Home or Sleep button, and not to brush up against the screen and touch
> > > anything on the screen.
> >
> > if you press the home button and don't do anything further, it will go
> > back to sleep. that's how it works *now*.
> >
> > if the home button is pressed inside a bag or purse and there aren't any
> > other touch events, which there can't be because it requires a finger
> > not an object, it will go back to sleep.
>
> If that's so, then why are there other touch events?
from what? is there an animal in your purse that is touching the iphone?
a physical button press can happen as stuff is jostled around. a touch
on a capacitive screen can't happen unless you have a finger or
something with similar electrical properties, such as the styluses that
are sold for iphones, ipads, etc.
> Oh, and whether it
> goes back to sleep, and how long it takes to go back to sleep if it does,
> depend on the settings.
there is no setting for lockscreen time out.
> > > That's the point; you have to slide it in order to avoid accidental or
> > > inadvertent activation. In those situations, the slide is even more
> > > necessary.
> >
> > it's an annoyance that is not necessary in all situations and some
> > people want to remove it for those situations.
>
> No one has mentioned "only for certain situations"?
now someone has.
> > why do you have a problem with that?
>
> What I have a problem with is that you and the OP in this thread appear to
> believe that whatever you want should be implemented regardless of all
> other considerations. Your "Me! Me! Me!, and the hell with the rest of
> you" attitude is what I have a problem with.
yet another distortion.
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > > > > The point is there are so few options to customize an iPhone
> > > > > > compared to others that it is quite annoying. There are many
> > > > > > other things I would like to change on my iPhone that are
> > > > > > unavailable as an option.
> > > > >
> > > > > The point is why clutter up things with meaningless options?
> > > >
> > > > not all options are meaningless.
> > >
> > > I never said they were. Why are you bringing up that red herring?
> >
> > i didn't say you did. don't twist things.
>
> Then there was no reason for you to mention it, other than to drag in a red
> > > > > > The point is there are so few options to customize an iPhone
> > > > > > compared to others that it is quite annoying. There are many
> > > > > > other things I would like to change on my iPhone that are
> > > > > > unavailable as an option.
> > > > >
> > > > > The point is why clutter up things with meaningless options?
> > > >
> > > > not all options are meaningless.
> > >
> > > I never said they were. Why are you bringing up that red herring?
> >
> > i didn't say you did. don't twist things.
>
> herring.
i didn't drag in anything, nor is it a red herring.
> > > > > Slide-to-unlock is important because it keeps the phone from
> > > > > activating in case there's an accidental press on the Home or
> > > > > Sleep button while the phone is in a pocket, purse, or wherever.
> > > >
> > > > if you don't put the phone in a pocket purse or wherever, then it's
> > > > not needed. there *can't* be an accidental wake with an iphone
> > > > sitting on a table.
> > >
> > > That's a great idea; leave the phone on a table all the time, and
> > > never pick it up to take it anywhere.
> >
> > speaking of red herrings.
>
no, it's a distortion of yours.
> > > Right, only one touch; the purse or pocket knows only to touch the
> > > Home or Sleep button, and not to brush up against the screen and touch
> > > anything on the screen.
> >
> > if you press the home button and don't do anything further, it will go
> > back to sleep. that's how it works *now*.
> >
> > if the home button is pressed inside a bag or purse and there aren't any
> > other touch events, which there can't be because it requires a finger
> > not an object, it will go back to sleep.
>
from what? is there an animal in your purse that is touching the iphone?
a physical button press can happen as stuff is jostled around. a touch
on a capacitive screen can't happen unless you have a finger or
something with similar electrical properties, such as the styluses that
are sold for iphones, ipads, etc.
> Oh, and whether it
> goes back to sleep, and how long it takes to go back to sleep if it does,
> depend on the settings.
there is no setting for lockscreen time out.
> > > That's the point; you have to slide it in order to avoid accidental or
> > > inadvertent activation. In those situations, the slide is even more
> > > necessary.
> >
> > it's an annoyance that is not necessary in all situations and some
> > people want to remove it for those situations.
>
now someone has.
> > why do you have a problem with that?
>
> believe that whatever you want should be implemented regardless of all
> other considerations. Your "Me! Me! Me!, and the hell with the rest of
> you" attitude is what I have a problem with.
yet another distortion.
nospam
Nov 1, 2012, 7:57:58 PM11/1/12
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In article <jollyroger-A6671...@news.individual.net>,
when someone proves you wrong. you're a hypocrite and a liar.
Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> > > He'll no doubt double down on his previous arguments and squirm around
> > > trying to invalidate the points you made.
> >
> > maybe one day you can actually discuss the advantages and disadvantages
> > of something, rather than resort to your juvenile insults.
>
> After you, fucknuts.
what a joke. you're *always* the one with the insults, particularly
> > > He'll no doubt double down on his previous arguments and squirm around
> > > trying to invalidate the points you made.
> >
> > maybe one day you can actually discuss the advantages and disadvantages
> > of something, rather than resort to your juvenile insults.
>
> After you, fucknuts.
when someone proves you wrong. you're a hypocrite and a liar.
Wes Groleau
Nov 1, 2012, 8:02:18 PM11/1/12
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On 11-01-2012 15:00, badgolferman wrote:
> Calendar invites are royally screwed up with the new OS and we have
> been told not to Accept or Deny invites with the phone because it sends
> back a Cancelled meeting notification to everyone on the list of
> attendees.
THAT is only partly Apple's fault. True, Apple doesn't handshake well
> Calendar invites are royally screwed up with the new OS and we have
> been told not to Accept or Deny invites with the phone because it sends
> back a Cancelled meeting notification to everyone on the list of
> attendees.
with Exchange. But how is it that Exchange accepts a cancellation from
someone other than the meeting organizer?
Wes Groleau
Nov 1, 2012, 8:07:46 PM11/1/12
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On 11-01-2012 19:17, badgolferman wrote:
> Rules in Outlook won't work when the computer is off. However I do
Rules in Outlook to move things to a folder are performed by the
> Rules in Outlook won't work when the computer is off. However I do
Exchange Server. That includes moving them to the Deleted Items.
Auto-reply rules, including out-of-office, and forwarding rules, are
also done on the server.
The only rule I've ever found that requires being logged in is "Delete
Permanently"
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Wes Groleau
Nov 1, 2012, 8:21:37 PM11/1/12
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On 11-01-2012 19:56, Wes Groleau wrote:
> A shirt pocket is another story. I've learned to always have something
> "insulating" the screen from my chest, as most of my shirts are not
> thick enough.
Of course, if I remember to sleep it first, that's not an issue.
> A shirt pocket is another story. I've learned to always have something
> "insulating" the screen from my chest, as most of my shirts are not
> thick enough.
But I'd say one of ten times I forget.
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nospam
Nov 1, 2012, 8:55:56 PM11/1/12
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In article <michelle-3831C8...@news.eternal-september.org>,
that prevents an iphone that's in use from locking after a certain
amount of time. that has nothing to do with a lockscreen timeout.
the lockscreen is what you get when you press the home button on a
device that's sleeping, i.e., one that's in your pocket. it's the slide
to unlock screen. if you don't slide to unlock, it will go back to
sleep in about 8 seconds. there is no setting to change this time.
> > > > > That's the point; you have to slide it in order to avoid
> > > > > accidental or inadvertent activation. In those situations, the
> > > > > slide is even more necessary.
> > > >
> > > > it's an annoyance that is not necessary in all situations and some
> > > > people want to remove it for those situations.
> > >
> > > No one has mentioned "only for certain situations"?
> >
> > now someone has.
>
> In an attempt to weasel out of what you were advocating.
not in the least. you don't understand what i'm talking about, thus the
question above.
> > > > why do you have a problem with that?
> > >
> > > What I have a problem with is that you and the OP in this thread
> > > appear to believe that whatever you want should be implemented
> > > regardless of all other considerations. Your "Me! Me! Me!, and the
> > > hell with the rest of you" attitude is what I have a problem with.
> >
> > yet another distortion.
>
> You can't have it both ways, no matter how desperately you flail and try to.
i'm not trying to have it both ways.
you're trying to twist it into something it isn't so you can argue.
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > Oh, and whether it goes back to sleep, and how long it takes to go
> > > back to sleep if it does, depend on the settings.
> >
> > there is no setting for lockscreen time out.
>
> Then what does "Auto-lock never" do?
> > > Oh, and whether it goes back to sleep, and how long it takes to go
> > > back to sleep if it does, depend on the settings.
> >
> > there is no setting for lockscreen time out.
>
that prevents an iphone that's in use from locking after a certain
amount of time. that has nothing to do with a lockscreen timeout.
the lockscreen is what you get when you press the home button on a
device that's sleeping, i.e., one that's in your pocket. it's the slide
to unlock screen. if you don't slide to unlock, it will go back to
sleep in about 8 seconds. there is no setting to change this time.
> > > > > That's the point; you have to slide it in order to avoid
> > > > > accidental or inadvertent activation. In those situations, the
> > > > > slide is even more necessary.
> > > >
> > > > it's an annoyance that is not necessary in all situations and some
> > > > people want to remove it for those situations.
> > >
> > > No one has mentioned "only for certain situations"?
> >
> > now someone has.
>
not in the least. you don't understand what i'm talking about, thus the
question above.
> > > > why do you have a problem with that?
> > >
> > > What I have a problem with is that you and the OP in this thread
> > > appear to believe that whatever you want should be implemented
> > > regardless of all other considerations. Your "Me! Me! Me!, and the
> > > hell with the rest of you" attitude is what I have a problem with.
> >
> > yet another distortion.
>
i'm not trying to have it both ways.
you're trying to twist it into something it isn't so you can argue.
nospam
Nov 1, 2012, 8:55:59 PM11/1/12
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In article <michelle-82A7E4...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> A. Only the customizability you want?
> B. Any customizability that anyone wants?
c. more customizability.
it has nothing to do with what i want, nor is it what anyone wants. i
never said what the additional options should be or how many. only that
having more would be good.
> > > > there is room for improvement.
> > >
> > > There is always room for improvement. Nothing is perfect.
> >
> > except when you disapprove of the feature.
>
> A feature is not necessarily an improvement.
sometimes it is.
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > > > > Why must we be limited in our ability to customize a computer to
> > > > > > what works best for us? Just because someone decided one layout
> > > > > > fit their eye the best?
> > > > >
> > > > > Because if Apple implemented every possible settings option that
> > > > > anyone wanted, it would become a UI nightmare.
> > > >
> > > > red herring.
> > > >
> > > > they could offer additional customizability. nobody is asking for
> > > > 'every possible settings option that anyone wanted.'
> > >
> > > Oh, so they should offer only the customizability that you want?
> >
> > never said that.
>
> So which is it?
> > > > > > Why must we be limited in our ability to customize a computer to
> > > > > > what works best for us? Just because someone decided one layout
> > > > > > fit their eye the best?
> > > > >
> > > > > Because if Apple implemented every possible settings option that
> > > > > anyone wanted, it would become a UI nightmare.
> > > >
> > > > red herring.
> > > >
> > > > they could offer additional customizability. nobody is asking for
> > > > 'every possible settings option that anyone wanted.'
> > >
> > > Oh, so they should offer only the customizability that you want?
> >
> > never said that.
>
> A. Only the customizability you want?
> B. Any customizability that anyone wants?
c. more customizability.
it has nothing to do with what i want, nor is it what anyone wants. i
never said what the additional options should be or how many. only that
having more would be good.
> > > > there is room for improvement.
> > >
> > > There is always room for improvement. Nothing is perfect.
> >
> > except when you disapprove of the feature.
>
sometimes it is.
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JF Mezei
Nov 1, 2012, 11:15:10 PM11/1/12
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On 12-11-01 20:55, nospam wrote:
> the lockscreen is what you get when you press the home button on a
> device that's sleeping, i.e., one that's in your pocket. it's the slide
> to unlock screen. if you don't slide to unlock, it will go back to
> sleep in about 8 seconds. there is no setting to change this time.
That was introduced to prevent pictures of a politicians penis from
> the lockscreen is what you get when you press the home button on a
> device that's sleeping, i.e., one that's in your pocket. it's the slide
> to unlock screen. if you don't slide to unlock, it will go back to
> sleep in about 8 seconds. there is no setting to change this time.
being taken while iphone is in pant pockets and automatically published
on twitter :-)
Seriously, if a phone is still on when you put it in pocket, especially
if pocket is sweaty (hot humid summer day for instance), it can do
things by itself.
I have a number of pictures taken through my cycling jersey last summer.
I take phone out to take snapshot, and if I put it back in back pocket
without putting it to sleep, it will take pictures. And in some cases,
the constant movement will keep it awake and do stuff and consume
batteries rapidly (GPS etc).
The question becomes whether the HOME button is innocusouly pressed
often enough while in pockets to warrant requiring that "slide to
unlock" step.
In my case, I have a SIM lock. When I turn on the phone, I get the
"slide to unlock", then a alert asking me whether I wish to unlock the
sim, and then the unlock panel. Wish it could all be done in 1 step.
(but it doesn't happen that often because I don't have to turn off phone
often).
nospam
Nov 1, 2012, 11:17:03 PM11/1/12
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In article <michelle-4BFEF0...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> sentence in the above quote.
this isn't about auto-lock. auto-lock affects phones that are *on*.
this is about phones that are sleeping in your pocket or purse. the
auto-lock timer does not apply.
if you have an iphone that's sleeping and there is an accidental button
press, it wakes it to the lock screen. if you do nothing else, it will
go back to sleep in 8 seconds.
what i'm saying is that if you remove the slide to unlock and keep that
timeout, then an accidental button press in your pocket or wherever
will just wake the phone for 8 seconds, at which point it goes back to
sleep.
there's nothing inside your pocket to touch the display (other objects
won't do it, it needs to be a finger or something with similar
electrical characteristics, even gloved fingers won't do it), so an
accidental wake is not a big deal. it just wastes 8 seconds of battery
life, the length of which could be different if such a feature was
actually implemented.
> > you're trying to twist it into something it isn't so you can argue.
>
> That's like Al Capone calling Elliott Ness a crook. In other words, you're
> accusing me of doing what you're doing, and what you do whenever someone
> disagrees with you.
nope.
i'm accusing you of distorting what i said.
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > > > Oh, and whether it goes back to sleep, and how long it takes to go
> > > > > back to sleep if it does, depend on the settings.
> > > >
> > > > there is no setting for lockscreen time out.
> > >
> > > Then what does "Auto-lock never" do?
> >
> > that prevents an iphone that's in use from locking after a certain
> > amount of time. that has nothing to do with a lockscreen timeout.
> >
> > the lockscreen is what you get when you press the home button on a
> > device that's sleeping, i.e., one that's in your pocket. it's the slide
> > to unlock screen. if you don't slide to unlock, it will go back to sleep
> > in about 8 seconds. there is no setting to change this time.
>
> And that has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote in the first
> > > > > Oh, and whether it goes back to sleep, and how long it takes to go
> > > > > back to sleep if it does, depend on the settings.
> > > >
> > > > there is no setting for lockscreen time out.
> > >
> > > Then what does "Auto-lock never" do?
> >
> > that prevents an iphone that's in use from locking after a certain
> > amount of time. that has nothing to do with a lockscreen timeout.
> >
> > the lockscreen is what you get when you press the home button on a
> > device that's sleeping, i.e., one that's in your pocket. it's the slide
> > to unlock screen. if you don't slide to unlock, it will go back to sleep
> > in about 8 seconds. there is no setting to change this time.
>
> sentence in the above quote.
this isn't about auto-lock. auto-lock affects phones that are *on*.
this is about phones that are sleeping in your pocket or purse. the
auto-lock timer does not apply.
if you have an iphone that's sleeping and there is an accidental button
press, it wakes it to the lock screen. if you do nothing else, it will
go back to sleep in 8 seconds.
what i'm saying is that if you remove the slide to unlock and keep that
timeout, then an accidental button press in your pocket or wherever
will just wake the phone for 8 seconds, at which point it goes back to
sleep.
there's nothing inside your pocket to touch the display (other objects
won't do it, it needs to be a finger or something with similar
electrical characteristics, even gloved fingers won't do it), so an
accidental wake is not a big deal. it just wastes 8 seconds of battery
life, the length of which could be different if such a feature was
actually implemented.
> > you're trying to twist it into something it isn't so you can argue.
>
> accusing me of doing what you're doing, and what you do whenever someone
> disagrees with you.
nope.
i'm accusing you of distorting what i said.
nospam
Nov 1, 2012, 11:17:05 PM11/1/12
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In article <michelle-77E243...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> ability to customize". If Apple didn't put in every possible settings
> option that anyone wanted, our ability to customize would be limited.
wow. do you take everything so literally?
ok, it needs to be *less* limited than it currently is. better?
i never said it had to be limitless. *you* came up with that nonsense.
> You can't have it both ways.
i'm not trying to.
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Why must we be limited in our ability to customize a
> > > > > > > > computer to what works best for us? Just because someone
> > > > > > > > decided one layout fit their eye the best?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Because if Apple implemented every possible settings option
> > > > > > > that anyone wanted, it would become a UI nightmare.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > red herring.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > they could offer additional customizability. nobody is asking
> > > > > > for 'every possible settings option that anyone wanted.'
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, so they should offer only the customizability that you want?
> > > >
> > > > never said that.
> > >
> > > So which is it? A. Only the customizability you want?
> > > B. Any customizability that anyone wants?
> >
> > c. more customizability.
> >
> > it has nothing to do with what i want, nor is it what anyone wants. i
> > never said what the additional options should be or how many. only that
> > having more would be good.
>
> Go back to the first sentence in the quote; the part about "limited in our
> > > > > > > > Why must we be limited in our ability to customize a
> > > > > > > > computer to what works best for us? Just because someone
> > > > > > > > decided one layout fit their eye the best?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Because if Apple implemented every possible settings option
> > > > > > > that anyone wanted, it would become a UI nightmare.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > red herring.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > they could offer additional customizability. nobody is asking
> > > > > > for 'every possible settings option that anyone wanted.'
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, so they should offer only the customizability that you want?
> > > >
> > > > never said that.
> > >
> > > So which is it? A. Only the customizability you want?
> > > B. Any customizability that anyone wants?
> >
> > c. more customizability.
> >
> > it has nothing to do with what i want, nor is it what anyone wants. i
> > never said what the additional options should be or how many. only that
> > having more would be good.
>
> ability to customize". If Apple didn't put in every possible settings
> option that anyone wanted, our ability to customize would be limited.
wow. do you take everything so literally?
ok, it needs to be *less* limited than it currently is. better?
i never said it had to be limitless. *you* came up with that nonsense.
> You can't have it both ways.
i'm not trying to.
nospam
Nov 1, 2012, 11:56:29 PM11/1/12
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In article <50933ac0$0$54520$c3e8da3$6901...@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> In my case, I have a SIM lock. When I turn on the phone, I get the
> "slide to unlock", then a alert asking me whether I wish to unlock the
> sim, and then the unlock panel. Wish it could all be done in 1 step.
> (but it doesn't happen that often because I don't have to turn off phone
> often).
seems overkill.
Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > the lockscreen is what you get when you press the home button on a
> > device that's sleeping, i.e., one that's in your pocket. it's the slide
> > to unlock screen. if you don't slide to unlock, it will go back to
> > sleep in about 8 seconds. there is no setting to change this time.
>
> That was introduced to prevent pictures of a politicians penis from
> being taken while iphone is in pant pockets and automatically published
> on twitter :-)
>
> Seriously, if a phone is still on when you put it in pocket, especially
> if pocket is sweaty (hot humid summer day for instance), it can do
> things by itself.
>
> I have a number of pictures taken through my cycling jersey last summer.
> I take phone out to take snapshot, and if I put it back in back pocket
> without putting it to sleep, it will take pictures. And in some cases,
> the constant movement will keep it awake and do stuff and consume
> batteries rapidly (GPS etc).
>
> The question becomes whether the HOME button is innocusouly pressed
> often enough while in pockets to warrant requiring that "slide to
> unlock" step.
which is why it could be an option.
> > the lockscreen is what you get when you press the home button on a
> > device that's sleeping, i.e., one that's in your pocket. it's the slide
> > to unlock screen. if you don't slide to unlock, it will go back to
> > sleep in about 8 seconds. there is no setting to change this time.
>
> That was introduced to prevent pictures of a politicians penis from
> being taken while iphone is in pant pockets and automatically published
> on twitter :-)
>
> Seriously, if a phone is still on when you put it in pocket, especially
> if pocket is sweaty (hot humid summer day for instance), it can do
> things by itself.
>
> I have a number of pictures taken through my cycling jersey last summer.
> I take phone out to take snapshot, and if I put it back in back pocket
> without putting it to sleep, it will take pictures. And in some cases,
> the constant movement will keep it awake and do stuff and consume
> batteries rapidly (GPS etc).
>
> The question becomes whether the HOME button is innocusouly pressed
> often enough while in pockets to warrant requiring that "slide to
> unlock" step.
> In my case, I have a SIM lock. When I turn on the phone, I get the
> "slide to unlock", then a alert asking me whether I wish to unlock the
> sim, and then the unlock panel. Wish it could all be done in 1 step.
> (but it doesn't happen that often because I don't have to turn off phone
> often).
JF Mezei
Nov 2, 2012, 12:09:37 AM11/2/12
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On 12-11-01 23:17, nospam wrote:
> there's nothing inside your pocket to touch the display (other objects
> won't do it, it needs to be a finger or something with similar
> electrical characteristics, even gloved fingers won't do it),
You are forgetting Murphy's law.
> there's nothing inside your pocket to touch the display (other objects
> won't do it, it needs to be a finger or something with similar
> electrical characteristics, even gloved fingers won't do it),
Wet/moist pocket near your body changes the equation greatly.
In my cycling jersey's back pocket, with the screen facing my back,
sweat will accumulate between my back and movement will result in the
iphone seeing activity and not shutting off.
It would be nice to be able to enable/disable the "slide to unlock"
step. There are times when it is unnecessary, and there are times where
it is useful.
(Note: I realised this issue with cycing jersey this pas summer when I
started to tweet imges during bike trips and after I press "send", just
put the phone back in pocket to let twitter take its time to send the
image.)
You may recall a message frm me last summer where my iPhone depleted its
batteries during a bike ride. That is what I surmise happened.
However, putting the phone to sleep prior to putting it back in pocket
works fine. But I do not know how often the HOME button would be
activated since the phone goes back to sleep within seconds if the
"slide" isn't done.
nospam
Nov 2, 2012, 1:09:23 AM11/2/12
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In article <50934782$0$27143$c3e8da3$66d3...@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Wet/moist pocket near your body changes the equation greatly.
yes it does, which is why disabling slide to unlock should be an
option, not gone forever.
if someone is going to put their iphone in a pocket where it might get
wet or moist with a possibility of accidentally activating it, they can
enable the slide to unlock or add a long passcode or whatever else they
want to do to make it almost impossible to accidentally turn on the
phone and cause apps to launch.
others can leave it disabled because most of the time, the slide to
unlock is not needed. my iphone is on the table right now. nothing is
going to accidentally press it.
> In my cycling jersey's back pocket, with the screen facing my back,
> sweat will accumulate between my back and movement will result in the
> iphone seeing activity and not shutting off.
you could face it the other direction, or get a case that covers the
front, including the home button.
> It would be nice to be able to enable/disable the "slide to unlock"
> step. There are times when it is unnecessary, and there are times where
> it is useful.
exactly!
Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > there's nothing inside your pocket to touch the display (other objects
> > won't do it, it needs to be a finger or something with similar
> > electrical characteristics, even gloved fingers won't do it),
>
> You are forgetting Murphy's law.
not at all.
> > there's nothing inside your pocket to touch the display (other objects
> > won't do it, it needs to be a finger or something with similar
> > electrical characteristics, even gloved fingers won't do it),
>
> You are forgetting Murphy's law.
> Wet/moist pocket near your body changes the equation greatly.
option, not gone forever.
if someone is going to put their iphone in a pocket where it might get
wet or moist with a possibility of accidentally activating it, they can
enable the slide to unlock or add a long passcode or whatever else they
want to do to make it almost impossible to accidentally turn on the
phone and cause apps to launch.
others can leave it disabled because most of the time, the slide to
unlock is not needed. my iphone is on the table right now. nothing is
going to accidentally press it.
> In my cycling jersey's back pocket, with the screen facing my back,
> sweat will accumulate between my back and movement will result in the
> iphone seeing activity and not shutting off.
front, including the home button.
> It would be nice to be able to enable/disable the "slide to unlock"
> step. There are times when it is unnecessary, and there are times where
> it is useful.
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nospam
Nov 2, 2012, 3:03:34 AM11/2/12
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In article <michelle-FF0D38...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> You didn't use that word, but it's the only logical meaning for what was
> written.
no, it's not the only logical meaning.
> > > You can't have it both ways.
> >
> > i'm not trying to.
>
> The problem is that some people want certain changes, other people want
> different changes, and yet other people want changes that are different
> than what the first group of people want.
>
> Unless Apple makes everything customizable (which is not feasible for many
> reasons), there will always be people requesting or demanding that
> something be customizable.
right. at some point, you have to draw the line.
all i'm saying is draw the line a bit further over, so that there are
more options.
nowhere did i say peg it to the wall and add every possible feature,
which isn't actually possible because someone will always think of
something new to add.
> So your "less limited" is meaningless because the limitations you want
> removed aren't necessarily the same as the limitations that others want
> removed.
it's not meaningless, nor did say they would be the same.
> But you obviously can't understand that.
i definitely do.
you obviously can't understand that the desire of a particular feature
is perfectly ok.
> written.
no, it's not the only logical meaning.
> > > You can't have it both ways.
> >
> > i'm not trying to.
>
> different changes, and yet other people want changes that are different
> than what the first group of people want.
>
> Unless Apple makes everything customizable (which is not feasible for many
> reasons), there will always be people requesting or demanding that
> something be customizable.
right. at some point, you have to draw the line.
all i'm saying is draw the line a bit further over, so that there are
more options.
nowhere did i say peg it to the wall and add every possible feature,
which isn't actually possible because someone will always think of
something new to add.
> So your "less limited" is meaningless because the limitations you want
> removed aren't necessarily the same as the limitations that others want
> removed.
it's not meaningless, nor did say they would be the same.
> But you obviously can't understand that.
i definitely do.
you obviously can't understand that the desire of a particular feature
is perfectly ok.
DevilsPGD
Nov 2, 2012, 3:35:17 AM11/2/12
to
In the last episode of <ooed5dp71zcx$.vn6thv4mg3ot$.d...@40tude.net>,
Salgud <spamb...@comcast.net> said:
>Yes, HUGE waste of time. Lemme see, if it takes one second (doesn't really
>take that long, but let's keep the calculation simple), and you do it 100
>times a day (probably way more times than you do it, but let's err in your
>favor), you're wasting 100 sec a day. Less than 2 min.
Compare this to the wasted time experienced after pocket-dialing a wrong
pin a few times and having a 60 minute device lock-out.
--
The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own.
Salgud <spamb...@comcast.net> said:
>Yes, HUGE waste of time. Lemme see, if it takes one second (doesn't really
>take that long, but let's keep the calculation simple), and you do it 100
>times a day (probably way more times than you do it, but let's err in your
>favor), you're wasting 100 sec a day. Less than 2 min.
Compare this to the wasted time experienced after pocket-dialing a wrong
pin a few times and having a 60 minute device lock-out.
--
The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own.
DevilsPGD
Nov 2, 2012, 3:35:17 AM11/2/12
to
In the last episode of <011120121042194786%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
thin enough that the iPhone can register taps from the screen being
pressed against my leg.
nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> said:
>not only that, but if it does wake accidentally in a pocket, there
>won't be additional touch events to keep it awake, so it would go back
>to sleep within a few seconds.
Depending on your pants, there easily could be. I have pockets that are
>not only that, but if it does wake accidentally in a pocket, there
>won't be additional touch events to keep it awake, so it would go back
>to sleep within a few seconds.
thin enough that the iPhone can register taps from the screen being
pressed against my leg.
Salgud
Nov 2, 2012, 10:30:00 AM11/2/12
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:54:45 -0600, Todd Allcock wrote:
> We had all that almost a decade ago with the Palm Treo. Using your
> argument, the iPhone should never have been released.
Sorry, but I had a Treo. It didn't do most of the things I listed.
> We had all that almost a decade ago with the Palm Treo. Using your
> argument, the iPhone should never have been released.
Sorry, but I had a Treo. It didn't do most of the things I listed.
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Nov 2, 2012, 12:14:01 PM11/2/12
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In article <011120121657586809%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
Whenever you're ready, fuck tard. Still waiting.
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Jolly Roger
Nov 2, 2012, 12:15:25 PM11/2/12
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In article <011120121657566653%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
something.
nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> no, it's a distortion of yours.
And coming from the king of weaseling and distorting, that means
> no, it's a distortion of yours.
something.
Jolly Roger
Nov 2, 2012, 12:16:07 PM11/2/12
to
In article <011120121755565471%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> you're trying to twist it into something it isn't so you can argue
ROFLMFAO. Pot, meet kettle.
> you're trying to twist it into something it isn't so you can argue
nospam
Nov 2, 2012, 12:39:03 PM11/2/12
to
In article <michelle-DD0E69...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> people demanding even more options, and there will be people complaining
> that wrong options were added.
and?
you cant please everyone, but you *can* make changes (many of them
incredibly minor) to please more people.
> > you obviously can't understand that the desire of a particular feature
> > is perfectly ok.
>
> Oh, I understand that. I also understand that many times when people ask
> for a feature, they do not consider all the ramifications of that feature.
sometimes yes, sometimes no.
you're just dismissing it right off.
> I also understand that you enjoy being contrary to the point that you
> border on being a troll.
only because i dared criticize something apple did.
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > The problem is that some people want certain changes, other people
> > > want different changes, and yet other people want changes that are
> > > different than what the first group of people want.
> > >
> > > Unless Apple makes everything customizable (which is not feasible for
> > > many reasons), there will always be people requesting or demanding
> > > that something be customizable.
> >
> > right. at some point, you have to draw the line.
> >
> > all i'm saying is draw the line a bit further over, so that there are
> > more options.
>
> But which options? No matter which options Apple may add, there will be
> > > The problem is that some people want certain changes, other people
> > > want different changes, and yet other people want changes that are
> > > different than what the first group of people want.
> > >
> > > Unless Apple makes everything customizable (which is not feasible for
> > > many reasons), there will always be people requesting or demanding
> > > that something be customizable.
> >
> > right. at some point, you have to draw the line.
> >
> > all i'm saying is draw the line a bit further over, so that there are
> > more options.
>
> people demanding even more options, and there will be people complaining
> that wrong options were added.
and?
you cant please everyone, but you *can* make changes (many of them
incredibly minor) to please more people.
> > you obviously can't understand that the desire of a particular feature
> > is perfectly ok.
>
> for a feature, they do not consider all the ramifications of that feature.
sometimes yes, sometimes no.
you're just dismissing it right off.
> I also understand that you enjoy being contrary to the point that you
> border on being a troll.
only because i dared criticize something apple did.
nospam
Nov 2, 2012, 12:39:04 PM11/2/12
to
In article <jollyroger-42B81...@news.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> > > > > He'll no doubt double down on his previous arguments and squirm
> > > > > around
> > > > > trying to invalidate the points you made.
> > > >
> > > > maybe one day you can actually discuss the advantages and disadvantages
> > > > of something, rather than resort to your juvenile insults.
> > >
> > > After you, fucknuts.
> >
> > what a joke. you're *always* the one with the insults, particularly
> > when someone proves you wrong. you're a hypocrite and a liar.
>
> Whenever you're ready, fuck tard. Still waiting.
what a joke. you're so full of shit.
> > > > > He'll no doubt double down on his previous arguments and squirm
> > > > > around
> > > > > trying to invalidate the points you made.
> > > >
> > > > maybe one day you can actually discuss the advantages and disadvantages
> > > > of something, rather than resort to your juvenile insults.
> > >
> > > After you, fucknuts.
> >
> > what a joke. you're *always* the one with the insults, particularly
> > when someone proves you wrong. you're a hypocrite and a liar.
>
> Whenever you're ready, fuck tard. Still waiting.
Jolly Roger
Nov 2, 2012, 1:10:47 PM11/2/12
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In article <021120120939040712%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
Jolly Roger
Nov 2, 2012, 1:11:25 PM11/2/12
to
In article <021120120939030629%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
Yeah. : ) That's clearly why she said that. Dumb ass.
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nospam
Nov 2, 2012, 1:41:21 PM11/2/12
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In article <slrnk980oq....@mbp55.local>, Lewis
> discuss, you lie and mislead and pervert and twist and scam and have the
> goalposts permanently grafted to your back for easy movement.
where have i lied and misled? i haven't. you're the one who is lying
and misleading.
i explained how it would work and why it's advantageous. it's also an
incredibly trivial thing to add that would not affect anyone who didn't
think it was important. if you don't do a thing, it continues to work
the way it always has.
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >> He'll no doubt double down on his previous arguments and squirm around
> >> trying to invalidate the points you made.
>
> > maybe one day you can actually discuss the advantages and disadvantages
> > of something,
>
> Not really any point if you're in the thread though, is there? You don't
> >> He'll no doubt double down on his previous arguments and squirm around
> >> trying to invalidate the points you made.
>
> > maybe one day you can actually discuss the advantages and disadvantages
> > of something,
>
> discuss, you lie and mislead and pervert and twist and scam and have the
> goalposts permanently grafted to your back for easy movement.
where have i lied and misled? i haven't. you're the one who is lying
and misleading.
i explained how it would work and why it's advantageous. it's also an
incredibly trivial thing to add that would not affect anyone who didn't
think it was important. if you don't do a thing, it continues to work
the way it always has.
Jolly Roger
Nov 2, 2012, 1:41:31 PM11/2/12
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In article <slrnk980v0....@mbp55.local>,
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <011120121320485000%nos...@nospam.invalid>
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > if the home button is pressed inside a bag or purse and there aren't
> > any other touch events, which there can't be because it requires a
> > finger not an object, it will go back to sleep.
>
> That's funny, because my wife is always accidentally calling me when she
> puts her phone in her pocket. She tends to put it away without turning
> off the screen (which I think is weird), and then a few second later I
> get a call or sometimes a garbled nonsense text message, depending on
> which app she left in the foreground.
Yeah, but in fuck nut's world, if it doesn't happen to him personally,
it's impossible that anyone else could ever experience it.
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <011120121320485000%nos...@nospam.invalid>
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > if the home button is pressed inside a bag or purse and there aren't
> > any other touch events, which there can't be because it requires a
> > finger not an object, it will go back to sleep.
>
> That's funny, because my wife is always accidentally calling me when she
> puts her phone in her pocket. She tends to put it away without turning
> off the screen (which I think is weird), and then a few second later I
> get a call or sometimes a garbled nonsense text message, depending on
> which app she left in the foreground.
Yeah, but in fuck nut's world, if it doesn't happen to him personally,
it's impossible that anyone else could ever experience it.
nospam
Nov 2, 2012, 1:42:32 PM11/2/12
to
In article <jollyroger-27B3B...@news.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> Yeah, but in fuck nut's world, if it doesn't happen to him personally,
> it's impossible that anyone else could ever experience it.
yet another distortion of what i said. why do you resort to lying?
> Yeah, but in fuck nut's world, if it doesn't happen to him personally,
> it's impossible that anyone else could ever experience it.
Jolly Roger
Nov 2, 2012, 1:42:44 PM11/2/12
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In article <021120121041214927%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
refuse to ever admit you are wrong about anything at all. Your behavior
is well known here by now.
nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnk980oq....@mbp55.local>, Lewis
> <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
> > >> He'll no doubt double down on his previous arguments and squirm around
> > >> trying to invalidate the points you made.
> >
> > > maybe one day you can actually discuss the advantages and disadvantages
> > > of something,
> >
> > Not really any point if you're in the thread though, is there? You don't
> > discuss, you lie and mislead and pervert and twist and scam and have the
> > goalposts permanently grafted to your back for easy movement.
>
> where have i lied and misled?
You do it all the time, fuck nut. It's almost all you do. You also
> In article <slrnk980oq....@mbp55.local>, Lewis
> <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
> > >> He'll no doubt double down on his previous arguments and squirm around
> > >> trying to invalidate the points you made.
> >
> > > maybe one day you can actually discuss the advantages and disadvantages
> > > of something,
> >
> > Not really any point if you're in the thread though, is there? You don't
> > discuss, you lie and mislead and pervert and twist and scam and have the
> > goalposts permanently grafted to your back for easy movement.
>
> where have i lied and misled?
refuse to ever admit you are wrong about anything at all. Your behavior
is well known here by now.
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Jolly Roger
Nov 2, 2012, 1:54:19 PM11/2/12
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In article <021120121042329169%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
LOL. You just insinuated that my iTunes issue in another thread is my
fault and not a real bug in iTunes claiming because you haven't seen the
issue, it must not exist. Pull your head out of your ass.
fault and not a real bug in iTunes claiming because you haven't seen the
issue, it must not exist. Pull your head out of your ass.
nospam
Nov 2, 2012, 2:25:43 PM11/2/12
to
In article <jollyroger-84B3F...@news.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> > > >> He'll no doubt double down on his previous arguments and squirm around
> > > >> trying to invalidate the points you made.
> > >
> > > > maybe one day you can actually discuss the advantages and disadvantages
> > > > of something,
> > >
> > > Not really any point if you're in the thread though, is there? You don't
> > > discuss, you lie and mislead and pervert and twist and scam and have the
> > > goalposts permanently grafted to your back for easy movement.
> >
> > where have i lied and misled?
>
> You do it all the time, fuck nut. It's almost all you do. You also
> refuse to ever admit you are wrong about anything at all. Your behavior
> is well known here by now.
that's a lie and you know it.
> > > >> He'll no doubt double down on his previous arguments and squirm around
> > > >> trying to invalidate the points you made.
> > >
> > > > maybe one day you can actually discuss the advantages and disadvantages
> > > > of something,
> > >
> > > Not really any point if you're in the thread though, is there? You don't
> > > discuss, you lie and mislead and pervert and twist and scam and have the
> > > goalposts permanently grafted to your back for easy movement.
> >
> > where have i lied and misled?
>
> You do it all the time, fuck nut. It's almost all you do. You also
> refuse to ever admit you are wrong about anything at all. Your behavior
> is well known here by now.
nospam
Nov 2, 2012, 2:25:48 PM11/2/12
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In article <slrnk981kh....@mbp55.local>, Lewis
>
> So, for Slide to unlock there are people who would like to disable it
> all the time, some who would like to disable it some of the time, some
> who don't want to disable it, *and* some who do not want there to be an
> option to disable it. Can't please all of them.
they won't even notice the option.
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > The problem is that some people want certain changes, other people want
> > different changes, and yet other people want changes that are different
> > than what the first group of people want.
>
> And some people don't want there to be changes at all.
> > The problem is that some people want certain changes, other people want
> > different changes, and yet other people want changes that are different
> > than what the first group of people want.
>
>
> So, for Slide to unlock there are people who would like to disable it
> all the time, some who would like to disable it some of the time, some
> who don't want to disable it, *and* some who do not want there to be an
> option to disable it. Can't please all of them.
they won't even notice the option.
nospam
Nov 2, 2012, 2:26:45 PM11/2/12
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In article <slrnk981uo....@mbp55.local>, Lewis
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > Doing things a better, easier, or more productive way has value.
> > Personally I don't find slide to unlock to be a hardship, but it is
> > pretty redundant when the PIN lock is active.
>
> Is it? Is it REALLY?
>
> How happy would you be if you took your phone out of your pocket to call
> 911 and the display said "This device has been erased due to too many
> incorrect passcode entries." Or just "Try again in 4 hours"?
>
> Really happy? Or not so much?
wow, that's a stretch.
so you're saying someone is going to butt-dial the correct pin code,
launch the phone app and then dial 911, all while the phone is in their
pocket? seriously?
plus, the passcode timeout is going to make it incredibly difficult to
get past it once the timeouts kick in.
or, you could set more than a 4 digit passcode, which you advocated a
week or two ago. can't have it both ways.
> > A better alternative might even be to combine the functions into a single
> > screen. Put the keypad/keyboard above the slide and make it all part of
> > the same UI. Enter the correct passcode and slide to submit the code.
>
> Now *that* is not a bad idea.
but not everyone wants that, so it shouldn't be done.
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > Doing things a better, easier, or more productive way has value.
> > Personally I don't find slide to unlock to be a hardship, but it is
> > pretty redundant when the PIN lock is active.
>
> Is it? Is it REALLY?
>
> How happy would you be if you took your phone out of your pocket to call
> 911 and the display said "This device has been erased due to too many
> incorrect passcode entries." Or just "Try again in 4 hours"?
>
> Really happy? Or not so much?
wow, that's a stretch.
so you're saying someone is going to butt-dial the correct pin code,
launch the phone app and then dial 911, all while the phone is in their
pocket? seriously?
plus, the passcode timeout is going to make it incredibly difficult to
get past it once the timeouts kick in.
or, you could set more than a 4 digit passcode, which you advocated a
week or two ago. can't have it both ways.
> > A better alternative might even be to combine the functions into a single
> > screen. Put the keypad/keyboard above the slide and make it all part of
> > the same UI. Enter the correct passcode and slide to submit the code.
>
> Now *that* is not a bad idea.
but not everyone wants that, so it shouldn't be done.
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JF Mezei
Nov 2, 2012, 9:05:09 PM11/2/12
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On 12-11-02 20:17, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> Gee, this reminds me of the presidential campaign. And the senatorial
> ones, and the congressional ones.
Which reminds me. With APPL freefalling, is there an expectation that on
the day after the election, things will pickup again ? I think I read
somewhere that after elections, the stock market tends to rebound.
> Gee, this reminds me of the presidential campaign. And the senatorial
> ones, and the congressional ones.
Which reminds me. With APPL freefalling, is there an expectation that on
the day after the election, things will pickup again ? I think I read
somewhere that after elections, the stock market tends to rebound.
David Arnstein
Nov 2, 2012, 10:04:38 PM11/2/12
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In article <k6s3pm$2hf$2...@reader1.panix.com>,
David Arnstein <arnstei...@pobox.com> wrote:
>Can I get rid of the screen that says "slide to unlock?" It wastes my
I can see the other side of the argument now.
I have my iPhone configured to erase itself after 10 failed attempts to
enter passcode. Without the "slide to unlock" screen, it would be possible
for my massive sit-muscle to "butt-dial" random passcodes 10 times.
That's 40 key presses in all.
Personally, I would accept this risk and I would still like to rid myself
of the "slide to unlock" screen. Perhaps my preference is sufficiently
rare that it's not worth supporting with a UI option.
I get that a lot.
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^^
David Arnstein <arnstei...@pobox.com> wrote:
>Can I get rid of the screen that says "slide to unlock?" It wastes my
I can see the other side of the argument now.
I have my iPhone configured to erase itself after 10 failed attempts to
enter passcode. Without the "slide to unlock" screen, it would be possible
for my massive sit-muscle to "butt-dial" random passcodes 10 times.
That's 40 key presses in all.
Personally, I would accept this risk and I would still like to rid myself
of the "slide to unlock" screen. Perhaps my preference is sufficiently
rare that it's not worth supporting with a UI option.
I get that a lot.
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nospam
Nov 3, 2012, 12:17:24 AM11/3/12
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In article <slrnk99589....@mbp55.local>, Lewis
it was down almost 20 today, or over 3%, and that's just *today*.
it was 702 about 6 weeks ago and now it's 576. that's a drop of 126, or
18%. that's a lot, especially in such a short time and could easily be
considered a freefall.
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > Which reminds me. With APPL freefalling, is there an expectation that on
> > the day after the election, things will pickup again ? I think I read
> > somewhere that after elections, the stock market tends to rebound.
>
> I don't think +42% year to year and + 7,700% over 10 years is 'freefalling'.
> > Which reminds me. With APPL freefalling, is there an expectation that on
> > the day after the election, things will pickup again ? I think I read
> > somewhere that after elections, the stock market tends to rebound.
>
it was down almost 20 today, or over 3%, and that's just *today*.
it was 702 about 6 weeks ago and now it's 576. that's a drop of 126, or
18%. that's a lot, especially in such a short time and could easily be
considered a freefall.
Your Name
Nov 3, 2012, 12:40:44 AM11/3/12
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In article <021120122117244686%nos...@nospam.invalid>, nospam
There's a TV advert running here for an investment and insurance company -
it is set in the 1970s and has a group of people sitting around chatting
about which stock to invest in: Kaypro, Wang, Commodore, or "that company
that named itself after a fruit". Guess which is the only one still
around. :-)
(Technically "Commodore" is still actually around, but not in any real
sense or anything recognisable as having anything to do with the original
company.)
it is set in the 1970s and has a group of people sitting around chatting
about which stock to invest in: Kaypro, Wang, Commodore, or "that company
that named itself after a fruit". Guess which is the only one still
around. :-)
(Technically "Commodore" is still actually around, but not in any real
sense or anything recognisable as having anything to do with the original
company.)
Jolly Roger
Nov 3, 2012, 3:07:46 AM11/3/12
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In article <50946dc5$0$38589$c3e8da3$4605...@news.astraweb.com>,
It's enjoying lots of manipulation by Wall Street Riddlin junkies, but
they can't hold it down forever.
they can't hold it down forever.
AV3
Nov 3, 2012, 9:53:02 AM11/3/12
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in a row. 18% over six weeks is an adjustment, to my mind probably a
manipulation by those who want to buy AAPL at a lower price.
I withhold judgement until the holiday sales season is over, with iPad
minis, iPad4's, and iPhone5's stocking-ready. Only if there is a
considerable shortfall in holiday sales will we know if the adjustment
was justified.
Over the long term, the success of an Apple TV project may influence the
stock price, although Apple's high profit margin on its already
established products suggests that investment in an unsuccessful Apple
TV project would not affect overall profitability of the whole
corporation. And even modest success would be enough to propel the stock
price somewhat higher.
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Todd Allcock
Nov 3, 2012, 10:09:06 PM11/3/12
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At 02 Nov 2012 08:30:00 -0600 Salgud wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:54:45 -0600, Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> > We had all that almost a decade ago with the Palm Treo. Using your
> > argument, the iPhone should never have been released.
>
> Sorry, but I had a Treo. It didn't do most of the things I listed.
Was it lack of know-how, or lack of imagination?
Certainly most of the things you listed are far easier to accomplish on
an iPhone or other modern smartphone, but I did virtually everything on
your list with my circa-2003 Nokia 3650. (It was Symbian, not a Treo,
however.)
Prior to the smartphone era, I did it all on my Pocket PC tethered to a
Nokia dumbphone via IR (with the exception of taking pictures- my PPC
lacked a camera.)
> On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:54:45 -0600, Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> > We had all that almost a decade ago with the Palm Treo. Using your
> > argument, the iPhone should never have been released.
>
> Sorry, but I had a Treo. It didn't do most of the things I listed.
Was it lack of know-how, or lack of imagination?
Certainly most of the things you listed are far easier to accomplish on
an iPhone or other modern smartphone, but I did virtually everything on
your list with my circa-2003 Nokia 3650. (It was Symbian, not a Treo,
however.)
Prior to the smartphone era, I did it all on my Pocket PC tethered to a
Nokia dumbphone via IR (with the exception of taking pictures- my PPC
lacked a camera.)
Todd Allcock
Nov 3, 2012, 10:38:55 PM11/3/12
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At 02 Nov 2012 17:50:16 +0000 Lewis wrote:
> In message <k6uvbb$geg$1...@dont-email.me>
"enter" key to the unlock screen. Tap less than four numbers and enter
doesn't activate. enter a fifth number, the first four disappear. Now you
have a screen that requires exactly four digits (or a multiple of four)
before the enter button can be pressed and use up one of your incorrect
attempts.
How likely are you to accidentally enter an incorrect passcode once, let
alone enough times to delay entry or wipe the device?
> > A better alternative might even be to combine the functions into a
single
> > screen. Put the keypad/keyboard above the slide and make it all part
of
> > the same UI. Enter the correct passcode and slide to submit the code.
>
> Now *that* is not a bad idea.
See, just a little imagination...
> In message <k6uvbb$geg$1...@dont-email.me>
> Todd Allcock <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>
> > Doing things a better, easier, or more productive way has value.
> > Personally I don't find slide to unlock to be a hardship, but it is
> > pretty redundant when the PIN lock is active.
>
> Is it? Is it REALLY?
>
> How happy would you be if you took your phone out of your pocket to call
> 911 and the display said "This device has been erased due to too many
> incorrect passcode entries." Or just "Try again in 4 hours"?
>
> Really happy? Or not so much?
Use some imagination. Without slide to unlock, you'd just need to add an
>
> > Doing things a better, easier, or more productive way has value.
> > Personally I don't find slide to unlock to be a hardship, but it is
> > pretty redundant when the PIN lock is active.
>
> Is it? Is it REALLY?
>
> How happy would you be if you took your phone out of your pocket to call
> 911 and the display said "This device has been erased due to too many
> incorrect passcode entries." Or just "Try again in 4 hours"?
>
> Really happy? Or not so much?
"enter" key to the unlock screen. Tap less than four numbers and enter
doesn't activate. enter a fifth number, the first four disappear. Now you
have a screen that requires exactly four digits (or a multiple of four)
before the enter button can be pressed and use up one of your incorrect
attempts.
How likely are you to accidentally enter an incorrect passcode once, let
alone enough times to delay entry or wipe the device?
> > A better alternative might even be to combine the functions into a
single
> > screen. Put the keypad/keyboard above the slide and make it all part
of
> > the same UI. Enter the correct passcode and slide to submit the code.
>
> Now *that* is not a bad idea.
JF Mezei
Nov 3, 2012, 11:17:19 PM11/3/12
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This got me to think you know this face recognition thing on Android
isn't so silly after all.
If your phone is programmed to recognise the head over your shoulders,
when it is accidentially awakened in your pants are it sees the head
between your legs (or a beaver if you are female), it won't be impressed
and just go back to sleep.
So this isn't merely some security thing, but also a convenient way to
eliminate accidental awakenings in pockets etc.
isn't so silly after all.
If your phone is programmed to recognise the head over your shoulders,
when it is accidentially awakened in your pants are it sees the head
between your legs (or a beaver if you are female), it won't be impressed
and just go back to sleep.
So this isn't merely some security thing, but also a convenient way to
eliminate accidental awakenings in pockets etc.
nospam
Nov 3, 2012, 11:45:00 PM11/3/12
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In article <JNidnW5uf8YjvAjN...@earthlink.com>, AV3
<arv...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>> Which reminds me. With APPL freefalling, is there an expectation that on
> >>> the day after the election, things will pickup again ? I think I read
> >>> somewhere that after elections, the stock market tends to rebound.
> >>
> >> I don't think +42% year to year and + 7,700% over 10 years is
> >> 'freefalling'.
> >
> > it was down almost 20 today, or over 3%, and that's just *today*.
> >
> > it was 702 about 6 weeks ago and now it's 576. that's a drop of 126, or
> > 18%. that's a lot, especially in such a short time and could easily be
> > considered a freefall.
>
> "Freefall" would be losing more than 18% in a single day, several days
> in a row. 18% over six weeks is an adjustment, to my mind probably a
> manipulation by those who want to buy AAPL at a lower price.
freefall is a bit of an exaggeration but 18% drop is still a *lot*.
> >>> Which reminds me. With APPL freefalling, is there an expectation that on
> >>> the day after the election, things will pickup again ? I think I read
> >>> somewhere that after elections, the stock market tends to rebound.
> >>
> >> I don't think +42% year to year and + 7,700% over 10 years is
> >> 'freefalling'.
> >
> > it was down almost 20 today, or over 3%, and that's just *today*.
> >
> > it was 702 about 6 weeks ago and now it's 576. that's a drop of 126, or
> > 18%. that's a lot, especially in such a short time and could easily be
> > considered a freefall.
>
> "Freefall" would be losing more than 18% in a single day, several days
> in a row. 18% over six weeks is an adjustment, to my mind probably a
> manipulation by those who want to buy AAPL at a lower price.
DevilsPGD
Nov 4, 2012, 11:57:39 PM11/4/12
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In the last episode of <k74kq1$r98$1...@dont-email.me>, Todd Allcock
If the pattern requires at least three segments, you can ignore anything
less than three segments as a pocket dial attempt and avoid incrementing
a lock-out system without needing a action-before-pin system.
--
The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own.
<elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> said:
>Use some imagination. Without slide to unlock, you'd just need to add an
>"enter" key to the unlock screen. Tap less than four numbers and enter
>doesn't activate. enter a fifth number, the first four disappear. Now you
>have a screen that requires exactly four digits (or a multiple of four)
>before the enter button can be pressed and use up one of your incorrect
>attempts.
This is one case where Android's "draw pattern to unlock" can work well.
>Use some imagination. Without slide to unlock, you'd just need to add an
>"enter" key to the unlock screen. Tap less than four numbers and enter
>doesn't activate. enter a fifth number, the first four disappear. Now you
>have a screen that requires exactly four digits (or a multiple of four)
>before the enter button can be pressed and use up one of your incorrect
>attempts.
If the pattern requires at least three segments, you can ignore anything
less than three segments as a pocket dial attempt and avoid incrementing
a lock-out system without needing a action-before-pin system.
--
The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own.
DevilsPGD
Nov 4, 2012, 11:57:39 PM11/4/12
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In the last episode of
<5095de40$0$54426$c3e8da3$6901...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei
<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> said:
>This got me to think you know this face recognition thing on Android
>isn't so silly after all.
Unfortunately the implementation is pretty bad. Without blink detection,
>This got me to think you know this face recognition thing on Android
>isn't so silly after all.
it can be fooled by a picture and with blink detection it seems to need
much better light.
Even blink detection can be fooled pretty easily by a pair of digital
photo (well, one original and one with the eyes covered over; it doesn't
even take any photoshop skills, just copy the skintone and draw filled
circles over the eyes, then do a slideshow of the open eyes, closed and
open again).
Still, it's a neat starting point.
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