Re: It's December 25 somewhere in the world

[Alan Browne]

Happy Holidays Michelle!




On 2012.12.24 17:35 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> So a very Merry Christmas to all my Christian friends and acquaintances.
>
> And to everyone who is not Christian, have a happy holiday season, whether
> it's Chanukah, Kwanzaa, Festivus, or whatever you may celebrate or observe.
>
> And if you don't celebrate or observe anything this time of year, I wish
> you good cheer too.
>
> I think that covers it.
>
> -- Michelle
>


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[JF Mezei]

On 12-12-24 17:35, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> So a very Merry Christmas to all my Christian friends and acquaintances.

Sine you got a brand spanking new iMac for Christmas, I guess "merry
Christmas" applies to you too !

BTW, Christmas (the celebration to give each other gifts) started as a
non religious event) which the christian religion adopted).

Besides, Joseph and Mary Christ were jewish and gave birth to a jewish
Jesus and it wasn't until later that Jesus Christ started to be a
trouble maker and started his own religion :-) (I read that in a book
called "The Bible" somewhere, and I think there must have been many
filmed documentaries about it. I think one may even have been sponsored
by the NRA since I recall Charlston Heston being Moses somewhere. (That
was before he was sent to the planet of the apes and saw the sorry state
of the abandonned statue of liberty on a beach and blamed it on gun
control :-)

"You maniacs, you blew it up, damn you, damned you all to hell" really
means "You maniacs, you blew up our freedom to bear machine guns to
protect the statue of liberty, damned you, damned you all to hell" :-)

[JF Mezei]

On 12-12-24 17:35, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> So a very Merry Christmas to all my Christian friends and acquaintances.

Oh, and as an AAPL shareholder, I say "thank you for buying another
Apple product for Christmas" :-) :-)

[Wes Groleau]

On 12-24-2012 17:35, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> So a very Merry Christmas to all my Christian friends and acquaintances.
>

> And to everyone who is not Christian, have a happy holiday season, whether
> it's Chanukah, Kwanzaa, Festivus, or whatever you may celebrate or observe.
>
> And if you don't celebrate or observe anything this time of year, I wish
> you good cheer too.
>
> I think that covers it.

At a bare minimum.....

Take a terrific Tuesday off !


--
Wes Groleau

I've noticed lately that the paranoid fear of computers becoming
intelligent and taking over the world has almost entirely disappeared
from the common culture. Near as I can tell, this coincides with
the release of MS-DOS.
— Larry DeLuca

[Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu]

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> writes:

> So a very Merry Christmas to all my Christian friends and acquaintances.
>
> And to everyone who is not Christian, have a happy holiday season, whether
> it's Chanukah, Kwanzaa, Festivus, or whatever you may celebrate or observe.
>
> And if you don't celebrate or observe anything this time of year, I wish
> you good cheer too.
>
> I think that covers it.

Almost....

Happy New Baktun!

Martin

[George Kerby]

On 12/24/12 4:35 PM, in article
michelle-527A3D...@news.eternal-september.org, "Michelle

Steiner" <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> So a very Merry Christmas to all my Christian friends and acquaintances.
>
> And to everyone who is not Christian, have a happy holiday season, whether
> it's Chanukah, Kwanzaa, Festivus, or whatever you may celebrate or observe.
>
> And if you don't celebrate or observe anything this time of year, I wish
> you good cheer too.
>
> I think that covers it.
>

> -- Michelle

Same to You.

[John McWilliams]

And to all a good night! Happy Hols, too.


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practiced with the most enjoyable traditions of religious persuasion or
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persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice
religious or secular traditions at all.

I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and
medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally
accepted calendar year 2013 , but not without due respect for the
calendar of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have
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as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of
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the wisher.

Best Regards (without prejudice)

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[Savageduck]

On 2012-12-24 20:27:05 -0800, John McWilliams <jp...@comcast.net> said:

> On 12/24/12 PDT 7:33 PM, George Kerby wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/24/12 4:35 PM, in article
>> michelle-527A3D...@news.eternal-september.org, "Michelle
>> Steiner" <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>>
>>> So a very Merry Christmas to all my Christian friends and acquaintances.
>>>
>>> And to everyone who is not Christian, have a happy holiday season, whether
>>> it's Chanukah, Kwanzaa, Festivus, or whatever you may celebrate or observe.
>>>
>>> And if you don't celebrate or observe anything this time of year, I wish
>>> you good cheer too.
>>>
>>> I think that covers it.
>>>
>>> -- Michelle
>>
>> Same to You.
>
> And to all a good night! Happy Hols, too.

...and so, holiday greetings for those with over inflated expectations
for tomorrow morning;
< http://db.tt/QVorp3dG >


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Regards,

Savageduck

[jim]

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> So a very Merry Christmas to all my Christian friends and acquaintances.
>
> And to everyone who is not Christian, have a happy holiday season, whether
> it's Chanukah, Kwanzaa, Festivus, or whatever you may celebrate or observe.
>
> And if you don't celebrate or observe anything this time of year, I wish
> you good cheer too.
>
> I think that covers it.
>
> -- Michelle

I reciprocate . :-)

[Jim Janney]

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> writes:

> So a very Merry Christmas to all my Christian friends and acquaintances.
>
> And to everyone who is not Christian, have a happy holiday season, whether
> it's Chanukah, Kwanzaa, Festivus, or whatever you may celebrate or observe.
>
> And if you don't celebrate or observe anything this time of year, I wish
> you good cheer too.
>
> I think that covers it.
>
> -- Michelle

Peace on earth and goodwill towards all.

A worthy sentiment, in my opinion, regardless of the details of one's
theology.

--
Jim Janney

[Per Rønne]

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> So a very Merry Christmas to all my Christian friends and acquaintances.

Thank you.

BTW, here in Scandinavia the great day is yule eve, 24th of December.
The evening where you are together with your closest family, dance
around the yule tree and receive give yule presents.

On the following yule days we are together with friends and parts of the
family rarely seen - cousins, grand uncles and the like. With herring,
roast pork, beer and drams. Just like the yule parties we hold from the
end of November until the beginning of the yule vacation, in soccer
clubs, on the office etc ...

And, well, we still use the old pre-Christian name of the old heathen
winter solstice feast. 'Jul', yule in English, 'das Jul' in German ...
--
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

[Jolly Roger]

In article <michelle-527A3D...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> So a very Merry Christmas to all my Christian friends and acquaintances.
>

> And to everyone who is not Christian, have a happy holiday season, whether
> it's Chanukah, Kwanzaa, Festivus, or whatever you may celebrate or observe.
>
> And if you don't celebrate or observe anything this time of year, I wish
> you good cheer too.
>
> I think that covers it.
>
> -- Michelle

You too, Michelle. : )

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[Alan Browne]

On 2012.12.25 13:45 , Per Rønne wrote:
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>> So a very Merry Christmas to all my Christian friends and acquaintances.
>
> Thank you.
>
> BTW, here in Scandinavia the great day is yule eve, 24th of December.
> The evening where you are together with your closest family, dance
> around the yule tree and receive give yule presents.
>
> On the following yule days we are together with friends and parts of the
> family rarely seen - cousins, grand uncles and the like. With herring,
> roast pork, beer and drams. Just like the yule parties we hold from the
> end of November until the beginning of the yule vacation, in soccer
> clubs, on the office etc ...

In Quebec, French Catholic families tend to have Christmas dinner on the
24th, opening presents later in the evening. However with the high
divorce rate it has shaken out to families splitting to 24/25 so the
kids get the turkey dinner deal twice over. Negotiating these dates
when the divorced father and mother each have siblings, divorced and
otherwise (with kids, of course) can take a few weeks to sort out.

English families, esp. Anglican and Protestant tend to open presents on
the morning of the 25th (making it easier on St-Nick), and Christmas
dinner in the evening (25th). My mother and I used to go to Christmas
eve services at the local Anglican church every other year or so.

Likewise family "re-arrangements" tangle up the dates of things. We had
Christmas dinner on the 23rd this year, will again tonight (smaller
affair), and will again on the 30th (a smaller "orphans" gathering).

[JF Mezei]

On 12-12-25 14:05, Alan Browne wrote:

> English families, esp. Anglican and Protestant tend to open presents on
> the morning of the 25th (making it easier on St-Nick),

No, it is harder. Now he has to pass over each region twice, once to
deliver gifts on christmas eve to french canadians, and a second time to
anglos. And this also means sorting and extra labeling of gifts to
ensure Santa doesn't make any delivery snafus, delivering englo gists
early or french canadian gifts late.

[Warren Oates]

In article <50d9fd66$0$58865$c3e8da3$40d4...@news.astraweb.com>,

JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> No, it is harder. Now he has to pass over each region twice, once to
> deliver gifts on christmas eve to french canadians, and a second time to
> anglos.

Yeah, but you French always leave out better treats for Monsieur Clause,
non? Why settle for milk and cookies when you can have a nice Sauvignon
and some decent pat�?
--

Soulless fruitflies are the nanotechnology of the fear industry -- Bucky

[JF Mezei]

On 12-12-25 14:43, Michelle Steiner wrote:

> But I'm sure he prefers the cookies and brownies in Colorado and Washington
> state here in the USA.

Judging from Santa's waist line, I think he will eat every cookie he is
given :-)

[Savageduck]

Santa understands the value of FedEx, UPS, and DHL.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Savageduck]

On 2012-12-25 11:43:44 -0800, Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> said:

> In article <50da0140$0$64267$c3e8da3$3388...@news.astraweb.com>,

> Warren Oates <warren...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> No, it is harder. Now he has to pass over each region twice, once to
>>> deliver gifts on christmas eve to french canadians, and a second time
>>> to anglos.
>>
>> Yeah, but you French always leave out better treats for Monsieur Clause,
>> non? Why settle for milk and cookies when you can have a nice Sauvignon
>> and some decent pat�?
>

> But I'm sure he prefers the cookies and brownies in Colorado and Washington
> state here in the USA.

If he hits those first don't expect deliveries anywhere else.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Warren Oates]

In article <michelle-E00EC4...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> But I'm sure he prefers the cookies and brownies in Colorado and Washington
> state here in the USA.

I can imagine Santa with those munchies. "Rudolph's not here, man."

[Davoud]

Jim Janney:

> Peace on earth and goodwill towards all.

Shalom, shalom, va-ein shalom. --Hebrew saying: [Everyone says] "Peace,
peace, but there is no peace."

> A worthy sentiment, in my opinion, regardless of the details of one's
> theology.

I suppose. Still, I can't get over how squishy adults get for
Christmas. I was a precocious child and I had realized by age six that
the god thing was superstition, but that didn't stop me from enjoying
Christmas for the next few years, 'til I was 10 or maybe even 12.

Still, I'm not a Scrooge; people have a right to their myths, be they
about messiahs or magic oil lamps, or ascending to heaven on horseback
to receive a reward of 72 white raisins. So I say Merry Christmas or
Happy Chanukkah or 'Eid mubarak as appropriate. As for peace and good
will, all good people wish for that, but the universal fulfillment of
that wish is too much to hope for as long as the scourge of religion is
in the land.

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

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[JF Mezei]

On 12-12-25 18:38, Davoud wrote:

> Still, I'm not a Scrooge; people have a right to their myths, be they
> about messiahs or magic oil lamps, or ascending to heaven on horseback
> to receive a reward of 72 white raisins.

There is nothing really tied to a religion about Christmas. It is just a
standard gift giving to loved ones celebration which refects values that
are present in many religions.

[Jim Janney]

Davoud <st...@sky.net> writes:

> I suppose. Still, I can't get over how squishy adults get for
> Christmas.

Because the last thing Pandora let out of the box was hope. Which
reminds me, I hope you got your cards mailed in time :-)

--
Jim Janney

[Davoud]

Davoud:

> > I suppose. Still, I can't get over how squishy adults get for
> > Christmas.

Jim Janney:

> Because the last thing Pandora let out of the box was hope.

What do you hope for? Realistically, I mean. Are hope and expectation
the same thing, or just close relatives?

> Which reminds me, I hope you got your cards mailed in time :-)

Absolutely. LaserJet labels and we print our own postage with a Dymo
Labelwriter Twin Turbo.

[Savageduck]

Christmas as we know it invented by F. W. Woolworth sometime around 1885.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Davoud]

Davoud:

> >> Still, I'm not a Scrooge; people have a right to their myths, be they
> >> about messiahs or magic oil lamps, or ascending to heaven on horseback
> >> to receive a reward of 72 white raisins.

JF Mezei:

> > There is nothing really tied to a religion about Christmas. It is just a
> > standard gift giving to loved ones celebration which refects values that
> > are present in many religions.

The values may be there, but spend 20 or 30 years in non-Christian
countries in Asia, the Middle East, and East Africa, as I did, and you
will understand that Christmas is strictly a Christian holiday. It is
even celebrated in post-Christian Scandinavia and other highly secular
areas with a historic Christian tradition. The USA is the only place I
have been where Christmas is a political tool used by the right to rub
others' faces in their ideology. They've even devised a means of
inciting hatred of non-Christians by inventing the idea that Christmas
in America, which is marked by some 250 million Christians, is under
siege and endangered by a few million atheists.

Savageduck:

> Christmas as we know it invented by F. W. Woolworth sometime around 1885.

Social customs evolve.

[Jim Janney]

Davoud <st...@sky.net> writes:

> Davoud:
>> > I suppose. Still, I can't get over how squishy adults get for
>> > Christmas.
>
> Jim Janney:
>> Because the last thing Pandora let out of the box was hope.
>
> What do you hope for? Realistically, I mean. Are hope and expectation
> the same thing, or just close relatives?

Mainly for the sun to come back. I think midwinter holidays are related
more to latitude than to any particular religion.

--
Jim Janney

[Paul Sture]

In article <dsWdnUH0apBBZUTN...@giganews.com>,

Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> In Quebec, French Catholic families tend to have Christmas dinner on the
> 24th, opening presents later in the evening. However with the high
> divorce rate it has shaken out to families splitting to 24/25 so the
> kids get the turkey dinner deal twice over. Negotiating these dates
> when the divorced father and mother each have siblings, divorced and
> otherwise (with kids, of course) can take a few weeks to sort out.
>
> English families, esp. Anglican and Protestant tend to open presents on
> the morning of the 25th (making it easier on St-Nick), and Christmas
> dinner in the evening (25th). My mother and I used to go to Christmas
> eve services at the local Anglican church every other year or so.
>
> Likewise family "re-arrangements" tangle up the dates of things. We had
> Christmas dinner on the 23rd this year, will again tonight (smaller
> affair), and will again on the 30th (a smaller "orphans" gathering).

We traditionally had Christmas Day at my parents, along with various
relatives for dinner and then others popping in for the rest of the day.
We only went to church if Christmas Day fell on a Sunday.

My first break from that was after my brother got married; the following
year my parents went to stay at his in-laws. We had a great time doing
exactly what _we_ wanted to do :-)

When my other brother got married there was another set of in-laws to
consider so we ended up having a family bash mid-December. This was a
lot easier on me as well, from a point of view of getting flights to and
fro.

--
Paul Sture

[George Kerby]

On 12/25/12 2:33 PM, in article
michelle-416290...@news.eternal-september.org, "Michelle
Steiner" <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <50da02c8$0$11642$c3e8da3$1cbc...@news.astraweb.com>,

> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>>> But I'm sure he prefers the cookies and brownies in Colorado and
>>> Washington state here in the USA.
>>
>> Judging from Santa's waist line, I think he will eat every cookie he is
>> given :-)
>

> I think you missed the reference.

<WHOOSH>

[George Kerby]

On 12/25/12 5:38 PM, in article 251220121838550590%st...@sky.net, "Davoud"

<st...@sky.net> wrote:

> Jim Janney:
>> Peace on earth and goodwill towards all.
>
> Shalom, shalom, va-ein shalom. --Hebrew saying: [Everyone says] "Peace,
> peace, but there is no peace."
>
>> A worthy sentiment, in my opinion, regardless of the details of one's
>> theology.
>
> I suppose. Still, I can't get over how squishy adults get for
> Christmas. I was a precocious child and I had realized by age six that
> the god thing was superstition, but that didn't stop me from enjoying
> Christmas for the next few years, 'til I was 10 or maybe even 12.
>
> Still, I'm not a Scrooge; people have a right to their myths, be they
> about messiahs or magic oil lamps, or ascending to heaven on horseback
> to receive a reward of 72 white raisins. So I say Merry Christmas or
> Happy Chanukkah or 'Eid mubarak as appropriate. As for peace and good
> will, all good people wish for that, but the universal fulfillment of
> that wish is too much to hope for as long as the scourge of religion is
> in the land.

YOU are getting a lump of coal from Santa...

[Savageduck]

On 2012-12-26 08:23:02 -0800, Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> said:

> In article <slrnkdm310....@mbp55.local>,

> Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>>> Christmas as we know it invented by F. W. Woolworth sometime around
>>> 1885.
>>

>> Had a lot of help from Coca Cola, which invented the modern Santa Claus.
>
> Coca Cola popularized the modern Santa, but did not invent it.
>
> Images of Santa Claus were further popularized through Haddon Sundblom�s
> depiction of him for The Coca-Cola Company�s Christmas advertising in the
> 1930s.[6][29] The popularity of the image spawned urban legends that Santa
> Claus was invented by The Coca-Cola Company or that Santa wears red and
> white because they are the colors used to promote the Coca-Cola brand.[30]
> Historically, Coca-Cola was not the first soft drink company to utilize the
> modern image of Santa Claus in its advertising�White Rock Beverages had
> already used a red and white Santa to sell mineral water in 1915 and then
> in advertisements for its ginger ale in 1923.[31][32][33] Earlier still,
> Santa Claus had appeared dressed in red and white and essentially in his
> current form on several covers of Puck magazine in the first few years of
> the twentieth century.[34]

...and then there is this "All American", draped in the Stars & Stripes
Santa, supporting the Civil War troops in 1863.
<
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Santa_Claus_1863_Harpers.png/674px-Santa_Claus_1863_Harpers.png
>


--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Paul Sture]

In article <michelle-2D519A...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <slrnkdm310....@mbp55.local>,
> Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>

> > > Christmas as we know it invented by F. W. Woolworth sometime around
> > > 1885.
> >

> > Had a lot of help from Coca Cola, which invented the modern Santa Claus.
>
> Coca Cola popularized the modern Santa, but did not invent it.
>
> Images of Santa Claus were further popularized through Haddon Sundblom�s
> depiction of him for The Coca-Cola Company�s Christmas advertising in the
> 1930s.[6][29] The popularity of the image spawned urban legends that Santa
> Claus was invented by The Coca-Cola Company or that Santa wears red and
> white because they are the colors used to promote the Coca-Cola brand.[30]
> Historically, Coca-Cola was not the first soft drink company to utilize the
> modern image of Santa Claus in its advertising�White Rock Beverages had
> already used a red and white Santa to sell mineral water in 1915 and then
> in advertisements for its ginger ale in 1923.[31][32][33] Earlier still,
> Santa Claus had appeared dressed in red and white and essentially in his
> current form on several covers of Puck magazine in the first few years of
> the twentieth century.[34]

The last time I dug into this I found that the red and white clothes of
Santa went back to the 19th century, albeit not as clearly defined as
today's outfit.

I wouldn't be surprised if Coca Cola played a part in standardising the
outfit though, for example the particular shade of red.

--
Paul Sture

[Davoud]

Savageduck:

> ...and then there is this "All American", draped in the Stars & Stripes
> Santa, supporting the Civil War troops in 1863.
> <
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Santa_Claus_1863_Harpers.png/674px-Santa_Claus_1863_Harpers.png

Santa Claus is most definitely an American. He loves Jesus and guns and
war and hates atheists, Jews, Muslims, liberals, liberal atheists,
liberal Jews, and all kinds of Muslims and other people who aren't real
Americans and who don't belong here.

[Savageduck]

On 2012-12-26 11:23:35 -0800, Davoud <st...@sky.net> said:

> Savageduck:
>> ...and then there is this "All American", draped in the Stars & Stripes
>> Santa, supporting the Civil War troops in 1863.
>> <
>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Santa_Claus_1863_Harpers.png/674px-Santa_Claus_1863_Harpers.png

Santa
>>
> Claus is most definitely an American. He loves Jesus and guns and
> war and hates atheists, Jews, Muslims, liberals, liberal atheists,
> liberal Jews, and all kinds of Muslims and other people who aren't real
> Americans and who don't belong here.

Then I must truly confuse the old fart, gun toting Californian atheist
that I am.
< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/Savageduck+Kw.jpg >

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Jim Janney]

Let's get Santa Clause 'cause;
Santa Clause has a red suit
He's a communist
And a beard, and long hair
Must be a pacifist
What's in the pipe that he's smoking?

Arlo Guthrie

--
Jim Janney

[Leonard Blaisdell]

In article <251220122225162330%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net>
wrote:

> The USA is the only place I
> have been where Christmas is a political tool used by the right to rub
> others' faces in their ideology. They've even devised a means of
> inciting hatred of non-Christians by inventing the idea that Christmas
> in America, which is marked by some 250 million Christians, is under
> siege and endangered by a few million atheists.

Davoud, give all your secular rants a rest. I pray that you're not
suffering from rabies, because I'm in the holiday spirit.

leo

[George Kerby]

On 12/26/12 1:23 PM, in article 261220121423354529%st...@sky.net, "Davoud"

<st...@sky.net> wrote:

> Savageduck:
>> ...and then there is this "All American", draped in the Stars & Stripes
>> Santa, supporting the Civil War troops in 1863.
>> <
>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Santa_Claus_1863_Har
>> pers.png/674px-Santa_Claus_1863_Harpers.png
>
> Santa Claus is most definitely an American. He loves Jesus and guns and
> war and hates atheists, Jews, Muslims, liberals, liberal atheists,
> liberal Jews, and all kinds of Muslims and other people who aren't real
> Americans and who don't belong here.

What about short people?

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NvgLkuEtkA>

[George Kerby]

On 12/26/12 1:50 PM, in article
2012122611500780278-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, "Savageduck"

Don't let Maxine Waters anywhere near you. She'll try and grab that.

[George Kerby]

On 12/27/12 1:59 AM, in article
leoblaisdell-00D9...@News.Individual.NET, "Leonard Blaisdell"

It's his Religion. He HAS to pontificate about it. If you don't like it,
you're going to Eternal Damnation. That's just the way it IS!

Sound familiar?

Thought so...

[Per Rønne]

Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> However with the high divorce rate it has shaken out to families splitting
> to 24/25 so the kids get the turkey dinner deal twice over. Negotiating
> these dates when the divorced father and mother each have siblings,
> divorced and otherwise (with kids, of course) can take a few weeks to sort
> out.

Probably the situation in most Western countries ...
--
Per Erik Rønne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

[Alan Browne]

On 2012.12.29 02:20 , Per Rønne wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> However with the high divorce rate it has shaken out to families splitting
>> to 24/25 so the kids get the turkey dinner deal twice over. Negotiating
>> these dates when the divorced father and mother each have siblings,
>> divorced and otherwise (with kids, of course) can take a few weeks to sort
>> out.
>
> Probably the situation in most Western countries ...

Certainly.


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