How many Jailbreak?

[JKConey]

Whether you JB or not I thought you may be interested in these
figures. We've had this discussion here in the past. Some here felt it
was an insignificant number.

http://modmyi.com/content/9961-how-jailbreak-release-affects-cydia-ecosystem.html

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[JF Mezei]

On 13-02-05 22:23, JKConey wrote:
> Whether you JB or not I thought you may be interested in these
> figures. We've had this discussion here in the past. Some here felt it
> was an insignificant number.

On Tuesday, Saurik released on twitter that there have been about 4
million devices that jailbroke their phones since Monday.

And I bet Apple will have seen a huge spike in upgrades from 5.x to 6.1
since monday.

4 million is not a number you can ignore.

[bobmar...@hotmail.com]

On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 22:23:20 -0500, JKConey
<TheConey...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Whether you JB or not I thought you may be interested in these
>figures. We've had this discussion here in the past. Some here felt it
>was an insignificant number.
>
>http://modmyi.com/content/9961-how-jailbreak-release-affects-cydia-ecosystem.html
>

But why buy a phone that you have to break in to, in the first place?

[Martin Heggli]

Am 06.02.2013 11:02, schrieb bobmar...@hotmail.com:
> But why buy a phone that you have to break in to, in the first place?

You don't have to. I've jailbreaked my iPhone 3G a couple of times.
But then iOS became better and better. Meanwhile i'm not interested
in Jailbreaks anymore... I don't see any advantage but many risks
in the Jailbreaks.

--
Gruss, Martin

mahe at gmx dot net

"God gave us helium for diving, but the Devil replaced it with nitrogen."

[Davoud]

JKConey:

> Whether you JB or not I thought you may be interested in these
> figures. We've had this discussion here in the past. Some here felt it
> was an insignificant number.
>
> http://modmyi.com/content/9961-how-jailbreak-release-affects-cydia-ecosystem.html

It is an insignificant number. Web-site visits are not jailbreaks. The
percentage who jailbreak, not including those who decided it brought
more problems than it was worth and reverted to iOS, is reckoned to be
about seven percent. It was higher two years ago--approaching one out
of ten--but word got around of problems, including malware,
malfunction, &c, and the fad declined slightly. It's kind of like
people who do silly things to their cars; a certain percent will make
silly looking or unsafe modifications, but the majority will opt for
safety, reliability, and the manufacturer's warranty.

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[Jolly Roger]

In article <kesia5$9m$1...@dont-email.me>,

JKConey <TheConey...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Whether you JB or not I thought you may be interested in these
> figures. We've had this discussion here in the past. Some here felt it
> was an insignificant number.
>
> http://modmyi.com/content/9961-how-jailbreak-release-affects-cydia-ecosystem.h
> tml

"An insignificant number" to whom? That seems like a very silly
statement, regardless. Thanks for posting this.

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[Jolly Roger]

In article <51152a10...@news.individual.net>,

Nobody is asking you to.

[Jolly Roger]

In article <slrnkh3tf6....@mbp55.local>,
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <kesia5$9m$1...@dont-email.me>

> JKConey <TheConey...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Whether you JB or not I thought you may be interested in these
> > figures. We've had this discussion here in the past. Some here felt it
> > was an insignificant number.
>
> > http://modmyi.com/content/9961-how-jailbreak-release-affects-cydia-ecosystem
> > .html
>

> Well, at least we have some confirmation that the numbers are insignificant.
>
> Yes yes, 1.7 million downloads sounds like a big number, but it's tiny.
> After all, aren't we around 500,000,000 iOS devices now? So, about 1 in
> 300 users tries out a new jailbreak. Of course, not all of them will
> keep that jailbreak.
>
> So yeah, the number of jalbreakers is confirmed by the jailbreakers
> themselves to be insignificant.

Sorry but you can't make blanket statements like that and try to apply
them to the entire population. "Insignificant" needs to be defined here.
What may seem significant to you won't seem significant to the next
person.

[nospam]

In article <060220130831259967%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net>
wrote:

> JKConey:
>
> > Whether you JB or not I thought you may be interested in these
> > figures. We've had this discussion here in the past. Some here felt it
> > was an insignificant number.
> >
> > http://modmyi.com/content/9961-how-jailbreak-release-affects-cydia-ecosystem.
> > html
>
> It is an insignificant number. Web-site visits are not jailbreaks.

it's not website visits that matters, it's how many installs of cydia
there are, which is for all intents, the number of users who jailbreak.
those who to opt to skip cydia are almost nil.

> The
> percentage who jailbreak, not including those who decided it brought
> more problems than it was worth and reverted to iOS, is reckoned to be
> about seven percent.

source?

> It was higher two years ago--approaching one out
> of ten--but word got around of problems, including malware,
> malfunction, &c, and the fad declined slightly.

no, the reason it may have dropped is that the jailbreak tools were not
available for newer devices and ios 6 (other than tethered which is a
pain in the ass). now that a new tool is out, there is a spike in
jailbreaks as well as 6.x upgrades from those holding off because they
couldn't afford to lose their existing jailbreak.

> It's kind of like
> people who do silly things to their cars; a certain percent will make
> silly looking or unsafe modifications,

not really.

> but the majority will opt for
> safety, reliability, and the manufacturer's warranty.

the majority opt for windows or android.

[nospam]

In article <slrnkh4sng....@mbp55.local>, Lewis

<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >> So yeah, the number of jalbreakers is confirmed by the jailbreakers
> >> themselves to be insignificant.
>
> > Sorry but you can't make blanket statements like that and try to apply
> > them to the entire population. "Insignificant" needs to be defined here.
> > What may seem significant to you won't seem significant to the next
> > person.
>

> Insignificant to the iOS market. Insignificant to Apple.
>
> If the number was 10%, then Apple would have reason to be concerned.

according to saurik, the author of cydia, about 10% of ios devices have
cydia installed.

apple is obviously concerned enough to bother writing a "don't
jailbreak" tech note, which was released just a couple of days ago,
about the same time as the new ios 6 jailbreak. that's *not* a
coincidence.

<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3743?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US>
Unauthorized modifications to iOS ("jailbreaking") can cause numerous
issues to the hacked iPhone, iPad or iPod touch.

[Jolly Roger]

In article <slrnkh4sng....@mbp55.local>,
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <jollyroger-C5573...@news.individual.net>

> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> > In article <slrnkh3tf6....@mbp55.local>,
> > Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
> >> In message <kesia5$9m$1...@dont-email.me>
> >> JKConey <TheConey...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Whether you JB or not I thought you may be interested in these
> >> > figures. We've had this discussion here in the past. Some here felt it
> >> > was an insignificant number.
> >>
> >> > http://modmyi.com/content/9961-how-jailbreak-release-affects-cydia-ecosys
> >> > tem
> >> > .html
> >>
> >> Well, at least we have some confirmation that the numbers are
> >> insignificant.
> >>
> >> Yes yes, 1.7 million downloads sounds like a big number, but it's tiny.
> >> After all, aren't we around 500,000,000 iOS devices now? So, about 1 in
> >> 300 users tries out a new jailbreak. Of course, not all of them will
> >> keep that jailbreak.
> >>
> >> So yeah, the number of jalbreakers is confirmed by the jailbreakers
> >> themselves to be insignificant.
>
> > Sorry but you can't make blanket statements like that and try to apply
> > them to the entire population. "Insignificant" needs to be defined here.
> > What may seem significant to you won't seem significant to the next
> > person.
>

> Insignificant to the iOS market. Insignificant to Apple.
>
> If the number was 10%, then Apple would have reason to be concerned.

Concerned about what exactly?

[JKConey]

On 2/6/2013 1:18 AM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <kesia5$9m$1...@dont-email.me>
> JKConey <TheConey...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Whether you JB or not I thought you may be interested in these
>> figures. We've had this discussion here in the past. Some here felt it
>> was an insignificant number.
>> http://modmyi.com/content/9961-how-jailbreak-release-affects-cydia-ecosystem.html

> Well, at least we have some confirmation that the numbers are insignificant.
>
> Yes yes, 1.7 million downloads sounds like a big number, but it's tiny.
> After all, aren't we around 500,000,000 iOS devices now? So, about 1 in
> 300 users tries out a new jailbreak. Of course, not all of them will
> keep that jailbreak.
>
> So yeah, the number of jalbreakers is confirmed by the jailbreakers
> themselves to be insignificant.
>

The jailbreak is 1 day old. So may be a bit more significant than
you suspect?

[JKConey]

On 2/6/2013 10:11 AM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <5111f5a6$0$54997$c3e8da3$e408...@news.astraweb.com>

> When it's less than 1% you certainly can.
>
That's in one day... and I'd bet most are waiting for the traffic to die
down in a couple weeks.

[JKConey]

On 2/6/2013 8:31 AM, Davoud wrote:
> JKConey:
>
>> Whether you JB or not I thought you may be interested in these
>> figures. We've had this discussion here in the past. Some here felt it
>> was an insignificant number.
>>
>> http://modmyi.com/content/9961-how-jailbreak-release-affects-cydia-ecosystem.html
> It is an insignificant number. Web-site visits are not jailbreaks. The
> percentage who jailbreak, not including those who decided it brought
> more problems than it was worth and reverted to iOS, is reckoned to be
> about seven percent. It was higher two years ago--approaching one out
> of ten--but word got around of problems, including malware,
> malfunction, &c, and the fad declined slightly. It's kind of like
> people who do silly things to their cars; a certain percent will make
> silly looking or unsafe modifications, but the majority will opt for
> safety, reliability, and the manufacturer's warranty.
>

What malware? I've been JBing for years and have DLed 100's if not
1000 various 3rd party apps and tweaks
with not one malware issue. (By the way many of the apps end up becoming
available on a future Apple update a year later).

[AZTECHKA]

What's a more insignificant number?
The number of people discussing the number of jailbroken devices.
I see the point 1.7m when you consider the total number of jailbreakable
devices is not a very significant number. But who cares? It's fun.
Jailbreak is not for everyone, neither is punching yourself in the head
which is why only a few people do it (pick one).
I've been jailbreaking my iPod for a couple of years now and I only know
4 other people who've done it in that time.
So what's my point? Just do it if you want and don't if you don't. Who
cares what the masses or the cool kids are doing. Do what YOU want.
p.


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[nospam]

In article <michelle-1219D1...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> > apple is obviously concerned enough to bother writing a "don't
> > jailbreak" tech note, which was released just a couple of days ago,
> > about the same time as the new ios 6 jailbreak. that's *not* a
> > coincidence.
> >
> > <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3743?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US>
> > Unauthorized modifications to iOS ("jailbreaking") can cause numerous
> > issues to the hacked iPhone, iPad or iPod touch.
>

> Apple has every right to be concerned because when those problems occur,
> users will blame Apple, and not the jailbreak.

unlikely. those who jailbreak know quite well what they're getting into.

[JF Mezei]

On 13-02-06 10:35, nospam wrote:

> <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3743?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US>
> Unauthorized modifications to iOS ("jailbreaking") can cause numerous
> issues to the hacked iPhone, iPad or iPod touch.

Yep, just as certain activities performed by a small propoprtion of
males can cause one to go blind or grow hair on palm of hands. Written
reports tend to underestimate the number of males who perform this very
dangerous activity :-)

Apple recently pulled a valid app because someone complained they found
a picture of a naked lady in a photo collection. So now you need a
jailbroken phone if you want to install that app.

And yes, many apps available via cydia use undocumented APIs that could
go away at the next release of IOS. But it doesn't mean that it causes
instability to your phone.

Yes, there are apps available via Cydia which don't have high standard
of quality. but there are which are very well written and refused by
Apple because they perform tasks that Apple doesn't want performed on IOS.

Buying from the iTunes app store, you have a relatively good level of
quality assurance from Apple. Buying for Cydia, you need to do your
homework.

But there are jailbroken apps that provide very useful capabilities.
Some that don't. Thereare some that perform cosmetic changes to the UI
and which may not put the iphone at risk at all.

[JF Mezei]

On 13-02-06 10:53, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> If the number was 10%, then Apple would have reason to be concerned.
>
> Concerned about what exactly?

If the number who jailbreak is high enough, Apple should be concerned
about loss of revenues at its App Store if more and more people get apps
from Cydia instead. It should be concerned because this is a sign that
people are not happy with the restrictions Apple has arbritrarily
imposed on iPhone apps (and the iPhone itself).

[nospam]

In article <michelle-316042...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> Some do, many don't. Look at all the whines about Apple we get here from
> people who have only themselves to blame. Look at all the lawsuits Apple
> gets from people who have brought about their own problems.

if you think a tech note most people won't ever see is going to have an
effect on jailbreaking, you are in for a bit of a surprise.

[nospam]

In article <5112bbf6$0$28420$c3e8da3$aae7...@news.astraweb.com>, JF

Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Apple recently pulled a valid app because someone complained they found
> a picture of a naked lady in a photo collection. So now you need a
> jailbroken phone if you want to install that app.

if you mean 500px, it's back with a warning that there might be content
suitable for over 17 years old.

> And yes, many apps available via cydia use undocumented APIs that could
> go away at the next release of IOS. But it doesn't mean that it causes
> instability to your phone.

a lot of what is available on cydia *will* destabilize an iphone.

> Yes, there are apps available via Cydia which don't have high standard
> of quality. but there are which are very well written and refused by
> Apple because they perform tasks that Apple doesn't want performed on IOS.

and those are the ones that can cause problems.

> Buying from the iTunes app store, you have a relatively good level of
> quality assurance from Apple. Buying for Cydia, you need to do your
> homework.

definitely.

> But there are jailbroken apps that provide very useful capabilities.
> Some that don't. Thereare some that perform cosmetic changes to the UI
> and which may not put the iphone at risk at all.

some of the ones that are cosmetic changes are the ones that cause the
most problems.

[Doug Anderson]

I don't know about that. I think it is of bigger concern to the
carriers than to Apple.

For a long time I jailbroke so I could unlock so I could use
T-mobile. The other jailbreakers I know in person do this for similar
reasons. This doesn't have a downside for Apple as far as I can tell.

I'm now using StraightTalk, for which I don't need to unlock (or
jailbreak). I still jailbreak because about once every month or so it
is convenient for me to be able to tether. This may deprive my
carrier of some revenue. But it doesn't deprive Apple of anything.

[nospam]

In article <michelle-2769CA...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> It won't have an effect on jailbreaking, but it will have an effect on
> lawsuits or other claims. I realize that it's mostly a CYA effort by Apple.

yep, it's cya. obviously there are enough jailbreakers for apple to
have bothered writing it.

[JF Mezei]

On 13-02-06 15:35, Michelle Steiner wrote:

> Nothing arbitrary about it.

A lot of restrictions are done to mame the iPhone "dummy proof".
A lot of restrictions are done to make the iPhone simple.

A lot of restrictions were placed because of "Steve Jobs" (i.e. just
because someone decided it should be "this" way). For instance, look at
how many years Apple refused to allow Safari to upload photos to web
sites. (finally unlocked with 6.0)

The problem is that Apple targetted a demographic with a simple phone,
but the restrictions imposed on it did not allow more sophisticated
users to benefit fully from the phone. "Advanced" settings in th
Settings could allow matures users to configure their iPhone the way
they need it to be (for instance, no top posting and full quoting of
email message when you reply) instead of the way someone at Apple
decided it had to be in order to please a demographc who are used to the
Microsoft way of disrupting internet standards.

And a lot of things were done to cater to AT&T's desires, despite the
rest of the world not wanting such restrictions (no tethering, no
facetime over cellular etc).

[Jolly Roger]

In article <5112bc6a$0$28420$c3e8da3$aae7...@news.astraweb.com>,

Nothing indicates to me that Apple isn't already keeping track of such
things.

[Jolly Roger]

In article <michelle-D93581...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <5112bc6a$0$28420$c3e8da3$aae7...@news.astraweb.com>,
> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>

> > It should be concerned because this is a sign that people are not happy
> > with the restrictions Apple has arbritrarily imposed on iPhone apps (and
> > the iPhone itself).
>

> Nothing arbitrary about it.

No shit, I missed that snide little remark.

Keep on trolling, JF. It's what you're best at.

[JF Mezei]

On 13-02-06 16:31, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Nothing indicates to me that Apple isn't already keeping track of such
> things.

Of course Apple is keeping track of it. They will want to know how the
exploit is made so they can prevent it in the next release. And they
want to know the extent of jailbreaking.

And I bet they will have seen a big spike in upgrades to 6.1 from the
day the jailbreak was released.

When people refuse to upgrade (like the 30% of mac users still on Snow
Leopard), Apple should be concerned and wanting to know why they are not
upgrading to their "new and improved" version that people dislike.

Finding out what people dislike about your products is in fact more
important than finding what people like about it. It is by removing the
things that peope dislike that you make a better product that more
people want.

[Jolly Roger]

In article <5112cb9a$0$11808$c3e8da3$6901...@news.astraweb.com>,

JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 13-02-06 15:35, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
> > Nothing arbitrary about it.
>
> A lot of restrictions are done to mame the iPhone "dummy proof".
> A lot of restrictions are done to make the iPhone simple.
>
> A lot of restrictions were placed because of "Steve Jobs" (i.e. just
> because someone decided it should be "this" way). For instance, look at
> how many years Apple refused to allow Safari to upload photos to web
> sites. (finally unlocked with 6.0)
>
> The problem is that Apple targetted a demographic with a simple phone,
> but the restrictions imposed on it did not allow more sophisticated
> users to benefit fully from the phone. "Advanced" settings in th
> Settings could allow matures users to configure their iPhone the way
> they need it to be (for instance, no top posting and full quoting of
> email message when you reply) instead of the way someone at Apple
> decided it had to be in order to please a demographc who are used to the
> Microsoft way of disrupting internet standards.

You need to learn more about simplicity.

Apple doesn't need to stoop to that level when Android is already doing
that. Apple doesn't need or desire customers like that.

[JF Mezei]

On 13-02-06 16:32, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Keep on trolling, JF. It's what you're best at.

At least *I* am good at something ....

What are you good at ? :-)

[Jolly Roger]

In article <5112cf0e$0$63706$c3e8da3$1e92...@news.astraweb.com>,

Ask my wife. : )

[Jolly Roger]

In article <5112ceda$0$63706$c3e8da3$1e92...@news.astraweb.com>,

JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> It is by removing the
> things that peope dislike that you make a better product that more
> people want.

...which is exactly why iOS is not Android.

[JF Mezei]

On 13-02-06 17:56, Michelle Steiner wrote:

> It already allows full quoting of email messages when you reply;

It doesn't "allow" full quoting, it *imposes* it on users. For a mobile
phone where data costs are so high, this is wasteful of data
transmission to require quoing an entire message without the user
realising it because the quoted text is below your own text and you
don't actually see there is a whole bunch of text below what you type.

This is different from desktop where the screen is big eough that you
see that the previous message has been quoted and you can quickly remove
irt (or just go into preferences and disable auto quoting).

But for IOS Mail, there is no such option where you can disable auto
quoting.


> until text selection for copy and paste was implemented, that was the only
> way you could reply.

Replying to a message requires not only the "reply" button, but then
pressing a finger on the input pane, waiting for the selectopn popp up,
select "select all", then wait for the next pop up and press "cut" and
then there is still one line of quote (blank but with the quote prefix)
left which you can't remove.

> And although it defaults to top posting, there's no requirement for top
> posting;

Yeah, try to scroll to bottom of the entire quote to start typing. Tell
me this is ergonomic.

The point of a mobile OS is that it should reduce the number of actions
needed for your standard use. Standard use should be to just compose a
reply without having to select and cut text before you can even start
typing.

The iPhone was done to cater only to the dumb masses who have been
brainwashed by Microsoft that you must include the full quote below your
oen text.


Those of us who know the internet are handicapped because the iPhone
design forces us to spend a lot of time undoing the auto-quote before
wwe can type in a quick reply to a message.

[nospam]

In article <michelle-99FB0D...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> > > Nothing arbitrary about it.
> >
> > A lot of restrictions are done to mame the iPhone "dummy proof".
> > A lot of restrictions are done to make the iPhone simple.
>

> <snip>
>
> Nothing in your dissertation indicated that there was anything arbitrary
> about any of the restrictions on the iPhone.

however, he is correct. many of the restrictions are arbitrary.
sometimes they're inconsistent, approving an app and rejecting a
similar app. different reviewer, different outcome.

[nospam]

In article <michelle-95BC5A...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> So long as the ability to jailbreak, regardless of the number of
> jailbreakers, Apple would have that CYA. In fact, Apple had it as far back
> as iPhone OS 1.0 or 1.1. There were even signs about it at the genius bars.

the original claim was apple doesn't care about an insignificant
percentage who jailbreak. that's wrong. they *clearly* do.

[nospam]

In article <slrnkh6edh....@mbp55.local>, Lewis
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> If that many people are jailbreaking then there is probably something
> missing in iOS that Apple should seriously consider adding,

exactly, and some of what's in ios now originally was in jailbroken
phones.

> unless they
> are all doing it so they can unlock and run on t-mobile, in which case
> Apple should consider letting t-mo sell iphones.

they announced that last december. part of the delay had to do with
t-mobile refarming their 3g, which surprisingly, is not yet deployed in
san francisco. maybe by april.

<http://www.mobilenapps.com/articles/7026/20130203/tmobile-launch-iphone-
5-mid-april.htm>
Ever since Apple and T-Mobile announced in December that the last of
the four carriers in the U.S. would begin selling Apple products in
2013, many wondered when the carrier would begin selling the iPhone
5. It now appears that the smartphone will be available by mid-April
at the latest.

[nospam]

In article <slrnkh6f7p....@mbp55.local>, Lewis
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <5112bbf6$0$28420$c3e8da3$aae7...@news.astraweb.com>
> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > Apple recently pulled a valid app because someone complained they found
> > a picture of a naked lady in a photo collection. So now you need a
> > jailbroken phone if you want to install that app.
>
> Are you making shit up again? It sure sound like you are making shit up
> again. "a valid app" "that app". Really, WHAT APP?

he's not making anything up. the app to which he is referring has been
all over the apple news sites in the past week or two. it's back in the
store, with a 17+ rating.

[JF Mezei]

On 13-02-07 00:22, Lewis wrote:

> You know who disables tethering? Not Apple, you utter dipshit.

In the first years of the iPhone, thetering was disabled for all
carriers despite all carriers except AT&T having no problems with it.

The tethering capabilities were already present and enabled by those who
jailbroke their iphones.

Even when Apple released software that allowed tethering, AT&T took a
while before it was ready to enable it. Recall that AT&T has had many
performance problems with its network and did not want additional load
caused by tethering. (ironically, it supported tethering from other phones).


Also remember that AT&T not only had exclusive agreement for USA, they
were also the launch partner with Apple where for quite some time, it
was the only network in the world to carry that phone (done initially to
help debug the phone and other new product issues (remember it was
Apple's first ever mobile phone) before doing a worldwide rollout
country by country.

So features that AT&T did not want didn't get enabled on the iPhone. It
wasn't until the iPhone started rolling out in other countries that
those carriers started to put pressure on Apple to enable standard
features that AT&T wasn't ready for.

[Jolly Roger]

In article <slrnkh6edh....@mbp55.local>,
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <jollyroger-8F872...@news.individual.net>
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> > In article <slrnkh4sng....@mbp55.local>,
> > Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
> >> In message <jollyroger-C5573...@news.individual.net>
> >> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> > In article <slrnkh3tf6....@mbp55.local>,
> >> > Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> In message <kesia5$9m$1...@dont-email.me>
> >> >> JKConey <TheConey...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Whether you JB or not I thought you may be interested in these
> >> >> > figures. We've had this discussion here in the past. Some here felt
> >> >> > it
> >> >> > was an insignificant number.
> >> >>
> >> >> > http://modmyi.com/content/9961-how-jailbreak-release-affects-cydia-eco
> >> >> > sys
> >> >> > tem
> >> >> > .html
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, at least we have some confirmation that the numbers are
> >> >> insignificant.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes yes, 1.7 million downloads sounds like a big number, but it's tiny.
> >> >> After all, aren't we around 500,000,000 iOS devices now? So, about 1 in
> >> >> 300 users tries out a new jailbreak. Of course, not all of them will
> >> >> keep that jailbreak.
> >> >>
> >> >> So yeah, the number of jalbreakers is confirmed by the jailbreakers
> >> >> themselves to be insignificant.
> >>
> >> > Sorry but you can't make blanket statements like that and try to apply
> >> > them to the entire population. "Insignificant" needs to be defined here.
> >> > What may seem significant to you won't seem significant to the next
> >> > person.
> >>
> >> Insignificant to the iOS market. Insignificant to Apple.
> >>
> >> If the number was 10%, then Apple would have reason to be concerned.
>
> > Concerned about what exactly?

>
> If that many people are jailbreaking then there is probably something

> missing in iOS that Apple should seriously consider adding, unless they

> are all doing it so they can unlock and run on t-mobile, in which case
> Apple should consider letting t-mo sell iphones.

I'm sure Apple has and continues to consider this.

[Jolly Roger]

In article <slrnkh6eam....@mbp55.local>,
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <ketv87$f25$2...@dont-email.me>
> JKConey <TheConey...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2/6/2013 10:11 AM, Lewis wrote:
> >> In message <5111f5a6$0$54997$c3e8da3$e408...@news.astraweb.com>
> >> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> >>> On 13-02-05 22:23, JKConey wrote:
> >>>> Whether you JB or not I thought you may be interested in these
> >>>> figures. We've had this discussion here in the past. Some here felt it
> >>>> was an insignificant number.

> >>> On Tuesday, Saurik released on twitter that there have been about 4
> >>> million devices that jailbroke their phones since Monday.
> >>> And I bet Apple will have seen a huge spike in upgrades from 5.x to 6.1
> >>> since monday.
> >>> 4 million is not a number you can ignore.
> >> When it's less than 1% you certainly can.
>
> > That's in one day... and I'd bet most are waiting for the traffic to die
> > down in a couple weeks.
>
> Ooo, I can play.
>
> I bet most are people who are curious that it works and revert their
> phones back to non jailbroken status within a week. or when 6.1.1 comes
> out, whichever

I might go ahead and jail break mine this week, so I can once again sync
my voicemail to my computer and things like that.

[tsowen]

Coming from Android and Windows Phone I have not jailbroken my iPhone
yet. I think for the most part its a lack of fully understanding the OS.
I really don't yet see a huge advantage to jailbreaking yet other than a
few added free apps.


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[JKConey]

On 2/6/2013 4:03 PM, Doug Anderson wrote:
> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> writes:

>
>> On 13-02-06 10:53, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>>> If the number was 10%, then Apple would have reason to be concerned.
>>> Concerned about what exactly?

>> If the number who jailbreak is high enough, Apple should be concerned
>> about loss of revenues at its App Store if more and more people get apps
>> from Cydia instead. It should be concerned because this is a sign that
>> people are not happy with the restrictions Apple has arbritrarily
>> imposed on iPhone apps (and the iPhone itself).
> I don't know about that. I think it is of bigger concern to the
> carriers than to Apple.
>
> For a long time I jailbroke so I could unlock so I could use
> T-mobile. The other jailbreakers I know in person do this for similar
> reasons. This doesn't have a downside for Apple as far as I can tell.
>
> I'm now using StraightTalk, for which I don't need to unlock (or
> jailbreak). I still jailbreak because about once every month or so it
> is convenient for me to be able to tether. This may deprive my
> carrier of some revenue. But it doesn't deprive Apple of anything.

Which tethering app are you using with OS 6.1?

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[JKConey]

7 million in 4 days sounds pretty significant to me?

http://modmyi.com/content/9994-forbes-profiles-evasi0n-s-impact-jailbreaking.html

[Doug Anderson]

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> writes:

> In message <jollyroger-8F872...@news.individual.net>
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:

> > In article <slrnkh4sng....@mbp55.local>,

> > Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
> >> In message <jollyroger-C5573...@news.individual.net>
> >> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> > In article <slrnkh3tf6....@mbp55.local>,
> >> > Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> In message <kesia5$9m$1...@dont-email.me>

> >> >> JKConey <TheConey...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Whether you JB or not I thought you may be interested in these
> >> >> > figures. We've had this discussion here in the past. Some here felt it
> >> >> > was an insignificant number.
> >> >>

> >> >> > http://modmyi.com/content/9961-how-jailbreak-release-affects-cydia-ecosys

> >> >> > tem
> >> >> > .html
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, at least we have some confirmation that the numbers are
> >> >> insignificant.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes yes, 1.7 million downloads sounds like a big number, but it's tiny.
> >> >> After all, aren't we around 500,000,000 iOS devices now? So, about 1 in
> >> >> 300 users tries out a new jailbreak. Of course, not all of them will
> >> >> keep that jailbreak.
> >> >>
> >> >> So yeah, the number of jalbreakers is confirmed by the jailbreakers
> >> >> themselves to be insignificant.
> >>
> >> > Sorry but you can't make blanket statements like that and try to apply
> >> > them to the entire population. "Insignificant" needs to be defined here.
> >> > What may seem significant to you won't seem significant to the next
> >> > person.
> >>
> >> Insignificant to the iOS market. Insignificant to Apple.
> >>

> >> If the number was 10%, then Apple would have reason to be concerned.
>
> > Concerned about what exactly?
>

> If that many people are jailbreaking then there is probably something
> missing in iOS that Apple should seriously consider adding,

Maybe, maybe not. I use a very modest amount of data (I don't stream
video or music). But every once in a while I want to tether for
various purposes. I don't feel like I should pay an arm and a leg for
it, but I understand why Apple doesn't want to make it easy for users
to do things the carriers don't like.

A much better solution would be for carriers to charge a reasonable
rate per GB for data rather than making you choose between "unlimited"
data plans and data plans that are extremely expensive per unit data.

> unless they
> are all doing it so they can unlock and run on t-mobile, in which case
> Apple should consider letting t-mo sell iphones.

Letting t-mo sell phones would be fine, but it kind of misses the
point.

I want an unlocked phone so that I'm _not_ committed to a particular
carrier. This way I can change carriers as needed (either because I'm
traveling, or because some carrier is now a better deal for me).

[nospam]

In article <rtd2wad...@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson

<ethelthelo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A much better solution would be for carriers to charge a reasonable
> rate per GB for data rather than making you choose between "unlimited"
> data plans and data plans that are extremely expensive per unit data.

they want you off the unlimited plans.

> > unless they
> > are all doing it so they can unlock and run on t-mobile, in which case
> > Apple should consider letting t-mo sell iphones.
>
> Letting t-mo sell phones would be fine, but it kind of misses the
> point.
>
> I want an unlocked phone so that I'm _not_ committed to a particular
> carrier. This way I can change carriers as needed (either because I'm
> traveling, or because some carrier is now a better deal for me).

then pay full price for one.

[AZTECHKA]

That may mean you are not a real nerd. LOL.
There's no real benefit other than what you mention. But it sure is fun.

p.


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[Doug Anderson]

TetherMe. It works reasonably well over bluetooth (and usb), and is
reasonably priced.

I wish it allowed me to make my phone a wifi hotspot, but it doesn't.

[Doug Anderson]

I'd rather pay $130 for a two year old iPhone 3GS thank you.