Re: Children born to non-US citizens could be barred from American birth certificates - No mas ANCHOR BABIES
Bret Cahill
> > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7827706/Ch...
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> > Children born to non-US citizens could be barred from American birth
> > certificates
> > Published: 12:01AM BST 15 Jun 2010
>
> > Under the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution any child born in the
> > country has an automatic right to citizenship regardless of their
> > parents' legal status.
>
> > But Republican State Senator Russell Pearce will introduce a bill
> > later this year to target so-called "anchor babies," which he says are
> > used by illegal immigrants to stay in the country.
>
> > An estimated four million children became US citizens after being
> > born to illegal immigrant parents on US soil in 2008.
>
> > Senator Pearce, who sponsored that law, said the fact babies born to
> > illegal immigrant parents become US citizens was "the most irrational
> > and self-defeating provision you could have."
>
> > He said those who had written the 14th Amendment in 1868 had never
> > anticipated the "deluge" that would come.
>
> > "It's illegal to enter the United States and yet we are going to
> > create the greatest inducement to breaking our law, and entering
> > illegally, and that's making your baby a citizen."
>
> > Opponents of the proposed bill say it is contrary to the Constitution
> > and the American spirit.
>
> > The right of Arizona to attempt to deny US citizenship could
> > ultimately end up in the US Supreme Court.
>
> > The 14th Amendment was drafted in order to secure the citizenship and
> > Constitutional rights of freed slaves and their children.
>
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>
> > Actually the constitution does NOT say anyone born
> > in america is automatically a citizen.
>
> All courts say it.
The legislation is just posturing to humor the border bigots.
Repugliar State Senator Russell Pearce knows full well it'll be struck
down at every level.
> Every single anchor baby ever born has been given citizenship.
>
> Our laws are based on precedents. There are 100 years of court
> decisions and millions of anchor babies as precedent.
The Scalito Court may be entering an Age of Discovery where the 5 GOP
cabal justices "discover" Social Security and Art. I, Sec. 8 are
unconstitutional but they'll never deny anchor babies the right to
citizenship.
Bret Cahill
tg
I still can't figure out why I should care if the population is
increasing from babies born to Citizens, Illegal Aliens, Legal Aliens,
Alien Aliens, blah blah blah. It still means more taxes and fewer
jobs.
-tg
The PHANTOM
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You forget the reason progressives want a more "diverse" population.
The big centralised gubmint types know if they can hook enough
"immigrants" on gubmint handouts they'll have their votes for eternity.
First Post.
wrote:
Most legal citizens pay taxes.
Nearly all illegal immigrants pay no taxes. the eat up taxpayer funded
programs.
The more illegal immigrants there are, the greater the tax burden on
the legitimate citizens that pay those taxes.
Thus more illegal immigrants mean more taxes on the legal.
tg
wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:11:37 -0700 (PDT), tg <tgdenn...@earthlink.net>
So just make them pay taxes. Why should I care if the tax dodger is an
immigrant or some inbred trailer trash cooking up meth and popping out
'legal' welfare babies?
-tg
John Stafford
First Post. <Progressives=Socia...@Invalid.org> wrote:
> Most legal citizens pay taxes.
Low income laborers pay the least taxes of all - are we to punish them
for getting more for the taxes they do not pay?
> Nearly all illegal immigrants pay no taxes. the eat up taxpayer funded
> programs.
Then their employers are criminals.
> The more illegal immigrants there are, the greater the tax burden on
> the legitimate citizens that pay those taxes.
Minuscule! Almost immeasurable at the national level. However, we both
know that local impact can be significant.
There is more to worry about than taxes. Permitting illegal immigrants
might undermine labor rights in general and it can devalue laborers to
lock them as a group into a single class.
lab~rat >:-)
puked:
>> Nearly all illegal immigrants pay no taxes. the eat up taxpayer funded
>> programs.
>
>Then their employers are criminals.
There are many people that have no withholdings taken from their pay.
It's their option. If the illegals represent to their employers that
they will pay taxes at the end of the year and don't, who are the
criminals?
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
JSM
The supreme court has twice ruled income tax as illegal. Are you
still paying income tax?
JSM
> In article <ejgf169915sot3mjm78migv0t352p15...@4ax.com>,
First of all only half of people in the US pay income taxes. Fact
Interesting enough, half of the people in the US think out TAX laws
are fair.
2% of the illegals do the 'menial' work in the US.
40% of felons in prisons are illegals, you pay $60,000 a year (Ive
heard) to keep them there.
Diversity destroyed Detroit.
* Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican
society.
* Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in
the country.
* Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under
false pretenses, may be imprisoned
* Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported,
and/or imprisoned as felons.
* Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General
Law on Population says.
* Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are
themselves considered criminals under the law.
UNDER MEXICO’S CONSTITUTION
* The Mexican constitution expressly forbids non-citizens to
participate in the country’s political life.
* The Mexican constitution denies fundamental property rights to
foreigners.
* The Mexican constitution denies equal employment rights to
immigrants, even legal ones, in the public sector.
* The Mexican constitution guarantees that immigrants will never
be treated as real Mexican citizens, even if they are legally
naturalized.
* An immigrant who becomes a naturalized Mexican citizen can be
stripped of his Mexican citizenship if he lives again in the country
of his origin for more than five years
* An immigrant who becomes a naturalized Mexican citizen can be
stripped of his Mexican citizenship if he lives again in the country
of his origin for more than five years, under Article 37. Mexican-born
citizens risk no such loss.
* Foreign-born, naturalized Mexican citizens may not become
federal lawmakers (Article 55), cabinet secretaries (Article 91) or
supreme court justices (Article 95).
* The president of Mexico must be a Mexican citizen by birth AND
his parents must also be Mexican-born citizens (Article 82), thus
giving secondary status to Mexican-born citizens born of immigrants.
* The Mexican constitution singles out “undesirable aliens.
The Mexican constitution states that foreigners may be expelled
for any reason and without due process.
John Stafford
"lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:40:22 -0500, John Stafford <nh...@droffats.ten>
> puked:
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> >> Nearly all illegal immigrants pay no taxes. the eat up taxpayer funded
> >> programs.
> >
> >Then their employers are criminals.
>
> There are many people that have no withholdings taken from their pay.
> It's their option. If the illegals represent to their employers that
> they will pay taxes at the end of the year and don't, who are the
> criminals?
Illegal laborers generally don't make enough to pay federal taxes, so
the point is moot. Regardless, almost every employee pays FICA, and
their employer is legally obligated to contribute, too. If they do not,
then they have broken a federal law.
John Stafford
<b9cb7c6c-9548-4697...@a39g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
JSM <ekru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> First of all only half of people in the US pay income taxes.
Yes, and something like 95% of those are people who make less than
$19,000 a year. Of the rest, they can make as much as $40,000 a year
(the median income where I live), and with three kids they not only pay
no taxes, but can end up getting a check from the government -
practically an award for the third child.
So for the first case, are we to deny them social benefits because they
don't pay federal taxes as is proposed for illegal immigrants?
lab~rat >:-)
puked:
>In article <j9jf16pdq18d06tj4...@4ax.com>,
> "lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:40:22 -0500, John Stafford <nh...@droffats.ten>
>> puked:
>>
>> >> Nearly all illegal immigrants pay no taxes. the eat up taxpayer funded
>> >> programs.
>> >
>> >Then their employers are criminals.
>>
>> There are many people that have no withholdings taken from their pay.
>> It's their option. If the illegals represent to their employers that
>> they will pay taxes at the end of the year and don't, who are the
>> criminals?
>
>Illegal laborers generally don't make enough to pay federal taxes, so
>the point is moot. Regardless, almost every employee pays FICA, and
>their employer is legally obligated to contribute, too. If they do not,
>then they have broken a federal law.
Right, but I'm talking about withholdings.
buzz
>
> The supreme court has twice ruled income tax as illegal. Are you
> still paying income tax?
Cite?
"forget the truck...everybody can buy a truck."...Urkel Obama
Not in your economy Mr. Urkel Obama
"Navy corpse-man"...Urkel Obama (three times)
"We don't begrudge success. But I do think at a
certain point you've made enough money." -Urkel Obama
http://www.calcitynews.com/article/09/NOVEMBER/09-MyName-Is.html
http://rlv.zcache.com/anti_obama_dont_drink_the_cool_aid_tshirt-p235592236153625507q6yv_400.jpg
Liberal slogan: "Cool-Aid Cool-Aid, tastes great, Cool-Aid Cool-Aid,
can't wait".
Barack Hussein Obama...mmm mmm mmm
Send HIM to Pakistan to fight Osama...mmm mmm mmm
Simple-minded lying dummycrats (the party that birthed the KKK) and
liberals...morons electing morons.
Sex offender? Rapist? Child molester? Pedophile? Deal in child porn? Any
or all of these and not in jail? Thank a lib, especially a lib judge.
tg
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:16:10 -0500, John Stafford <n...@droffats.ten>
> puked:
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>
>
> >In article <j9jf16pdq18d06tj4g85h2v6005na2l...@4ax.com>,
> > "lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:40:22 -0500, John Stafford <n...@droffats.ten>
> >> puked:
>
> >> >> Nearly all illegal immigrants pay no taxes. the eat up taxpayer funded
> >> >> programs.
>
> >> >Then their employers are criminals.
>
> >> There are many people that have no withholdings taken from their pay.
> >> It's their option. If the illegals represent to their employers that
> >> they will pay taxes at the end of the year and don't, who are the
> >> criminals?
>
> >Illegal laborers generally don't make enough to pay federal taxes, so
> >the point is moot. Regardless, almost every employee pays FICA, and
> >their employer is legally obligated to contribute, too. If they do not,
> >then they have broken a federal law.
>
> Right, but I'm talking about withholdings.
> --
So you're saying that most illegals work regular jobs, pay FICA and
Medicare, and forego things like earned income tax credit? Sounds
like a good deal for the rest of us, doesn't it?
-tg
Ramon F Herrera
Not only that, but they are being exploited, underpaid, harassed
(sexually and otherwise).
About taxes...
- The undocumented fellow produces a false SSN card, with a repeated
or unused number.
- The employer (knowingly or not) accepts the card.
- The employer sends the SSN deduction religiously to the SS
Administration.
- Since there is no number match, the funds are sent to a special
account.
- The employer has no way to access HIS money.
The director of the Social Security Administration testified before
Congress that they are holding billions of dollars for this concept.
It will become close a trillion in the upcoming years.
-Ramon
tg
Excellent! I guess my retirement is going to be ok after all.
-tg
Ramon F Herrera
>
> > The director of the Social Security Administration testified before
> > Congress that they are holding billions of dollars for this concept.
> > It will become close a trillion in the upcoming years.
>
> > -Ramon
>
> Excellent! I guess my retirement is going to be ok after all.
>
> -tg
Here is the link:
"Have you ever wondered what happens to all the money collected for
Social Security that beneficiaries don't get?
What happens to the money assigned to people using false identities,
or names matched with the wrong Social Security Number (SSN), or
newlyweds who forgot to register their name changes with the Social
Security administration?
The answer lies in a little-known aspect of the Social Security
behemoth known as the Earnings Suspense File (ESF).
The ESF has become a hotbed for debate over everything from
immigration rights to identity theft, as it continues to accrue money
at roughly $6 billion a year, with the total as of 2005 sitting at
$519 billion."
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/02/ss_secret_stash.html
http://tinyurl.com/hfkty
-RFH
buzz
>
> Not only that, but they are being exploited, underpaid, harassed
> (sexually and otherwise).
Then if we treat these illegals so horribly, then why do they continue
to come here?
monkeywintest
That's complete bullshit, if that were the case Republicans would have
fought hard against illegal immigration, they just know that idiots
like you will do what you always do, helplessly whine and sanivel
about liberals.
tooly
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Hart-Cellar Immigration Act destroyed America.
Not Sure
Why would the illegal alien bigots want anchor babies to lose their
citizenship? Try making sense next time, dipshit :)