Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Hide Serial Murderer
j@bri0l
wrote:
> http://www.silentlambs.org/education/92_murder_letter.cfm
>
> A letter from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society that advises elders in a
> Florida Kingdom Hall that they do not need to inform police that one of their
> "brothers" has killed several people.
>
> You see, by inviting Jehovah's Witnesses into your home, you not only get to
> invite sociopaths like Antonio L. Santana but also serial killers. This should
> answer the question of whether JWs keep their places of worship spiritually and
> morally clean.
It is a good thing you at least posted the Letter, which in any case
is a violation of copyright information. I do note the Letter refer to
his problem with the Law before his baptism. So tell us AR, you being
a JW for three decades, how many people have you killed? How many
children have you molested? did you rape a few gooks during your
Vietnam tour of duty? Feel proud of it?
Jw elders are not policemen. It is not their Job to report crimes by
members before they are baptized. You are being deliberately
dishonest, but then that is you. And if you wish to apply this JW's,
you would have to apply to every religion on the planet. To assume
that all JW's are homicidal killers is beneath you. Unless you are
about as bad as the people you hanged out with for 30 years.
Annointed Remnant
j@bri0l says...
>
>On Aug 30, 10:39=A0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> http://www.silentlambs.org/education/92_murder_letter.cfm
>>
>> A letter from the Watchtower Bible and Tract
>> Society that advises elders in a Florida
>> Kingdom Hall that they do not need to inform
>> police that one of their "brothers" has killed
>> several people.
>>
>> You see, by inviting Jehovah's Witnesses into
>> your home, you not only get to invite
>> sociopaths like Antonio L. Santana but also
>> serial killers. This should answer the
>> question of whether JWs keep their places of
>> worship spiritually and morally clean.
>
>
>It is a good thing you at least posted the
>Letter, which in any case is a violation of
>copyright information.
You can't write one sentence without lying, can you, Antonio L. Santana. Look
again, idiot. I didn't post any letter.
>I do note the Letter refer to his problem
>with the Law before his baptism.
What excuse is that for allowing a serial killer to mingle with virtually
everyone in the congregation? Be invited to picnics, for dinner in homes, going
door to door? The letter warned them to not tell ANYONE - not even their own
wives.
So, this murderer got religion and now he is OK, huh? Did any of the elders
know what triggered his murdering spree? Can anyone guarantee that he wouldn't
do it again?
>So tell
>us AR, you being a JW for three decades,
>how many people have you killed? How many
>children have you molested? did you rape
>a few gooks during your Vietnam tour of
>duty? Feel proud of it?
You just can't stop being a prick, can you?
>Jw elders are not policemen. It is not
>their Job to report crimes by members
>before they are baptized.
It is a moral responsibility for everyone to report a murderer.
>You are being deliberately dishonest, but then that is you.
Dishonest about what, you moron?
>To assume that all JW's are homicidal
>killers is beneath you.
What this proves is that, even at the highest level, JWs will hide known
murderers, nevermind child molesters. Obviously, and rightly, this bothered one
of the elder's conscience and he leaked the letter. It also proves that one has
to violate the commands of the governing body to do what is right.
Z-DNA
wrote:
> In article <046ab82b-2c91-430c-a2f2-913dab67b...@d25g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> j@bri0l says...
>
>
orship spiritually and morally clean.
>
> >It is a good thing you at least posted the
> >Letter, which in any case is a violation of
> >copyright information.
>
> You can't write one sentence without lying, can you, Antonio L. Santana. Look
> again, idiot. I didn't post any letter.
>
You posted a link to a site that posted a letter that was
confidential. You are dense eh?...
> >I do note the Letter refer to his problem
> >with the Law before his baptism.
>
> What excuse is that for allowing a serial killer to mingle with virtually
> everyone in the congregation? Be invited to picnics, for dinner in homes, going
> door to door? The letter warned them to not tell ANYONE - not even their own
> wives.
>
a biblical one. you need a quote?
> So, this murderer got religion and now he is OK, huh?
Maybe I wasn't there in '92.
> Did any of the elders
> know what triggered his murdering spree? Can anyone guarantee that he wouldn't
> do it again?
>
Can you guarantee a sane person won't go insane and kill people?
> >So tell
> >us AR, you being a JW for three decades,
> >how many people have you killed? How many
> >children have you molested? did you rape
> >a few gooks during your Vietnam tour of
> >duty? Feel proud of it?
>
> You just can't stop being a prick, can you?
>
That bothered you? you were a JW once, they are all insane mentally
disturbed child molesters, everyone knows thus right?
How many young boys did Carol cop a feel when she went to the hall?
cheated on her husband with an Elder?
Or maybe not everyone is a demented criminal as you portrayed them to
be.
> >Jw elders are not policemen. It is not
> >their Job to report crimes by members
> >before they are baptized.
>
> It is a moral responsibility for everyone to report a murderer.
>
No its not, and not without evidence.
> >You are being deliberately dishonest, but then that is you.
>
> Dishonest about what, you moron?
>
> >To assume that all JW's are homicidal
> >killers is beneath you.
>
> What this proves is that, even at the highest level, JWs will hide known
> murderers, nevermind child molesters. Obviously, and rightly, this bothered one
> of the elder's conscience and he leaked the letter. It also proves that one has
> to violate the commands of the governing body to do what is right.
And the consequences? When words get out that Elders can't be
confidential, knowledge of pedophiles and criminals will drastically
be reduced. They will hide themselves. Is that what you want?
Kelly Greene
"j@bri0l" <jabri...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 30, 10:39 am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> http://www.silentlambs.org/education/92_murder_letter.cfm
>
> A letter from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society that advises elders
> in a
> Florida Kingdom Hall that they do not need to inform police that one of
> their
> "brothers" has killed several people.
>
> You see, by inviting Jehovah's Witnesses into your home, you not only get
> to
> invite sociopaths like Antonio L. Santana but also serial killers. This
> should
> answer the question of whether JWs keep their places of worship
> spiritually and
> morally clean.
It is a good thing you at least posted the Letter, which in any case
is a violation of copyright information. I do note the Letter refer to
his problem with the Law before his baptism. So tell us AR, you being
a JW for three decades, how many people have you killed? How many
children have you molested? did you rape a few gooks during your
Vietnam tour of duty? Feel proud of it?
::: And this has WHAT to do with the WT Org hiding their known pedophiles
and murderers?
Jw elders are not policemen. It is not their Job to report crimes by
members before they are baptized.
::: It is their MORAL obligation to protect the members they rule over.
Have you ever heard the word Morals before Antonio? Do you know the meaning
of the word?
You are being deliberately
dishonest, but then that is you. And if you wish to apply this JW's,
you would have to apply to every religion on the planet. To assume
that all JW's are homicidal killers is beneath you.
::: He didn't say all of them are killers. You can't even comprehend what
you read. Early Alzheimer's?
Unless you are
about as bad as the people you hanged out with for 30 years.
::: There are plenty of good people in the congs and any ex-JW will gladly
admit that. It's the evil scumbags like you and the greedy dishonest GB who
are the real problem with the Org. Strange how a JW can be DFed for talking
to a DFed person, or for smoking a cigarette, but it's OK to bugger little
kids and MURDER someone. What crazy immoral thinking.
--
----- Original Message From Antonio L Santana -----
Threat of a planed murder by Jabriol?
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From: "JABRIOL" Antonio L. Santana
And it will not stop until she is
> dead. Which will be in short order.
*Let us judge the TREE (WTS) by the
FRUIT (JWs) it produces.*
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On Aug 30, 12:23 pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> In article
> <046ab82b-2c91-430c-a2f2-913dab67b...@d25g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> j@bri0l says...
>
>
orship spiritually and morally clean.
>
> >It is a good thing you at least posted the
> >Letter, which in any case is a violation of
> >copyright information.
>
> You can't write one sentence without lying, can you, Antonio L. Santana.
> Look
> again, idiot. I didn't post any letter.
>
You posted a link to a site that posted a letter that was
confidential. You are dense eh?...
:: What's the matter Antonio, you don't want everyone to know what goes on
behind the shiny clean facade of the KHs? Isn't it about time the real
TRUTH comes out?
> >I do note the Letter refer to his problem
> >with the Law before his baptism.
>
> What excuse is that for allowing a serial killer to mingle with virtually
> everyone in the congregation? Be invited to picnics, for dinner in homes,
> going
> door to door? The letter warned them to not tell ANYONE - not even their
> own
> wives.
>
a biblical one. you need a quote?
:: The bible says to let people murder at will and invite them into our
homes? :-O
> So, this murderer got religion and now he is OK, huh?
Maybe I wasn't there in '92.
:: And that makes it OK?
> Did any of the elders
> know what triggered his murdering spree? Can anyone guarantee that he
> wouldn't
> do it again?
>
Can you guarantee a sane person won't go insane and kill people?
::: The chance is much higher among those who killed already. Look up the
statistics.
> >So tell
> >us AR, you being a JW for three decades,
> >how many people have you killed? How many
> >children have you molested? did you rape
> >a few gooks during your Vietnam tour of
> >duty? Feel proud of it?
>
> You just can't stop being a prick, can you?
>
That bothered you? you were a JW once, they are all insane mentally
disturbed child molesters, everyone knows thus right?
How many young boys did Carol cop a feel when she went to the hall?
cheated on her husband with an Elder?
::: Your younger daughter's name is Carol? Revis is the older one who was
raped and who you had committed to the mental hospital after you told her
she was used GOODS that no JW would marry? Where are your sons?
Or maybe not everyone is a demented criminal as you portrayed them to
be.
::: You're a demented criminal. You seem to know about all kinds of child
porn and rapes and molestations, and yet you never call the police or FBI
Antonio L Santana. Why is that? Guilty conscience and fear they'll nab you
for your crimes?
> >Jw elders are not policemen. It is not
> >their Job to report crimes by members
> >before they are baptized.
>
>
> What this proves is that, even at the highest level, JWs will hide known
> murderers, nevermind child molesters. Obviously, and rightly, this
> bothered one
> of the elder's conscience and he leaked the letter. It also proves that
> one has
> to violate the commands of the governing body to do what is right.
And the consequences? When words get out that Elders can't be
confidential, knowledge of pedophiles and criminals will drastically
be reduced. They will hide themselves. Is that what you want?
::: You are a total moron! What good is their knowing when they HIDE the
information and it does no one any good? They may as well NOT know.
--
"SeppoP" <seppo_pi...@xyahoox.com> wrote in message
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> Zhadow [JABRIOL] wrote:
>> Hi Carol,
>
> You are an insane piece of turd, but we *already* knew that, didn't we,
> Jabbers?
>
> <snip Jabber's droolings>
> --
> Seppo P.
> What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
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"Z-DNA" Antonio L Santana/Jabriol<jabri...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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That bothered you? you were a JW once, they are all insane mentally
disturbed child molesters, everyone knows thus right?
How many young boys did Carol cop a feel when she went to the hall?
cheated on her husband with an Elder?
--
The above "Witness" was by
the depraved JW known as
Antonio L Santana of the
Spanish Congregation
South Camden Kingdom Hall
1584 8th Street
Camden NJ 08104
Phone: (856)365-0655
~~~~~~~ }<(((o>
The above from the sex obsessed man Antonio/Jabriol who claims he was
accused
of raping his daughter and tossing her in the street with her infant. This
was after
he paid $38,000 to put her in a Youth Facility because she suffered from
bi-polar
disorder and was a disruption in his home. He claims the infant's father
was a
black man in prison when the child was born. He wanted nothing to do with
either of them. Antonio Santana calls bi-racial children "black bastards"
and
"baboons" and "human wannabes." Apparently the child went up for adoption
or is in Foster Care as he now claims his daughters have no children. Maybe
the
infant died in the streets, it's bi-polar penniless mother too young to care
for it.
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"Kent Wills" <comp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> At one time, not so long ago, "j@bri0l" <jabri...@gmail.com> Antonio L
>
So tell us AR, you being
>>a JW for three decades, how many people have you killed? How many
>>children have you molested? did you rape a few gooks during your
>
>
Now you can see Antonio's hatred and his racism. He calls the Vietnamese
people gooks? It's no surprise that Antonio L Santana-Candia calls
bi-racial children "black bastard human wannabes" and "baboons" that should
be fed bananas. The man's a racist. Never mind he once told us his father
was African American and left his mother before he was born, down in Puerto
Rico. That makes him bi-racial. Maybe that's why he hates blacks and
bi-racial children. I wonder what the Vietnamese people ever did to
him.......
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God teaches man genocide and savagery man would not have thought of:
This is what the Lord Almighty says... Now go and strike Amalek and
devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill
both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.
(1 Samuel 15:3)
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Remember Curtjester, a Jehovah's Witness who claimed there was nothing wrong
with drinking and driving? Oddly enough he doesn't own a car and doesn't drive,
so it's most probable that he's had his license permanently pulled for drunken
driving. Now you see Antonio, another Jehovah's Witness, defending the JW's
'right' to conceal murderers and sexual perverts. No normal person would do
this. But a criminal or pervert would. Just saying...
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I know what you're saying.
The Internet must really rankle the GB and the elders. They used to be able
to hide whacky people like Antonio and CurtJester. Now these KoOks get
online and the elders have lost control of them. They're an embarrassment to
the WTS and "bad advertising" for the WT.
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"Z-DNA" Antonio L Santana-Candia<jabri...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >So tell
> >us AR, you being a JW for three decades,
> >how many people have you killed? How many
> >children have you molested? did you rape
> >a few gooks during your Vietnam tour of
> >duty? Feel proud of it?
Gooks? I'm reposting this Antonio so you can't deny you posted it down the
road.
The above racist post was from
Antonio L Santana-Candia of the
Spanish Congregation
Antonio L. Santana-Candia fo the
South Camden Kingdom Hall
1584 8th Street
Camden NJ 08104
Phone: (856)365-0655
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it sometime in the future.
The racist post below was from
Antonio L Santana-Candia of the
Spanish Congregation
Antonio L. Santana-Candia fo the
South Camden Kingdom Hall
1584 8th Street
Camden NJ 08104
Phone: (856)365-0655
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> At one time, not so long ago, "j@bri0l" <jabriol2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
Here Kent,
you can play with Carol
Elijahovah
and sided with the two sons who murdered all of Shechem.
Jacob and Moses quoting him said his sons caused ostracism
upon his name. Granted Jesus did not always agree with Moses,
however Jesus usually had better explanations than those who say
see what Dinah caused because she had the world for friends.
To the contrary, scripture says Shechem's son was the best of his sons
who would marry the one he sleeps with, yet WT says in mockery
See the best the world offers!
This ignores that Israelites themselves wanted to sodomize brothers
and then raped a woman to death instead,
and typical i bet the one disfellowshipped is the man who cut her in
pieces
and mailed her to the tribes to say why are these Israelites allowed
to do this raping.
In fact all of Shechem vowed to Jehovah by being circumcized,
so their being killed is like drowning people as you baptize them to
Jehovah,
abusing the opportunity. Yet they blame Dinah. Why dont they blame her
mother for getting preganant with her, or blame Jacob for having
fathered her?
That's about how relative it is.
As far as crimes go, hey i lost my conscience when to cover her math
mistakes
my mother forced me to alter rental books creating and alternative
false copy
in case her brothers wanted to see the books. That too was responed by
elders
as obey your parents no matter what they do to you, and yet they
always taught
MY MOTHER that she was the spiritual head and therfore should defy
father.
But she never defied father on spiritual matters, it was always money,
pretending that
what she wanted was for the kids.
Those who hide a murderer are guilty according to scripture because
the elders are
not a confessional, thus no one should be confessing to them. To quote
the Society
regarding sex in marriage... dont probe whether men anally pack their
wives, or
grab them by the ears to rape the heck out of their mouth, just
counsel if they tell you.
We'll people tell you this crap to seduce you, or to get others to
agree that they
like doing the same thing with their wives too. And the police do
nothing. I was told
that it wsnt their jurisdiction when i reported a husband in an online
conversation
who had sex with his dog and was looking for other guys to have sex
with their dog too
or show them how to do it. Later came across the same person, said he
was divorced
and remarried an Asian. SICK people everywhere, i dont see where
judicial law of any government
on this planet solves criminal behavior. You have to be stupid if you
really think that
more than 1 of every 50 criminals get prosecuted. To care in THAT
direction is to put faith
in those governments or churches who feel they are curing the world.
BUT let's not forget
doctors or cure-all scams (which deeply sell as pyramid schemes at
kingdom halls and always have).
The lie form Satan that we cant be perfect until Armageddon so we need
to put faith that
Jehovah has created these commercial products or health stores.
Elijahovah
Greegor
> a JW for three decades, how
> many people have you killed?
> How many children have you
> molested? did you rape a few
> gooks during your
Did anybody quote the post with full headers?
That would be the only way to determine that
Antonio wasn't the victim of a false flag post, sporgery.
Since the poster was asking AR about his
tour of duty in Vietnam and using that
offensive term about offences in Vietnam
the question seems to be trying to
use the language of the GI's of that era.
The historical context used does
make the quote slightly less offensive,
though it was blatantly intended to
offend modern day sensibilities, also
known as POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
To eliminate such a term EVEN in the
context of it's era would go a LONG
way toward NEWSPEAK as described
in Orwell's book 1984.
The world's most famous garage burglar,
eager to score some PR points,
calculated that grandstanding about
this would give him a boost with
the infantile knee jerk liberal
crowd on usenet.
Greegor
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Yep, Kent the Garage Burglar applied current
day liberal knee jerk POLITICAL CORRECTNESS
and disregarded the historical context involved.
Antonio attempted to insult Annointed Remnant
for being part of that military milieu in a
historical context.
At least Antonio's counter attack contained
some semblance of LOGIC.. the last sentence
is kind of a summation.
south-centralscrutinizer
wrote:
>Context restored at no additional cost.
Kent B. Wills = convicted garage burglar...auk, auk, auk, auk!!!!
Bob L. Head
> Are you even capable of honesty?
MubwhHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!
From the net's greatest all time liar, Kent B_adley Wills!
Bob L. Head
> Avoidance noted.
Yours, burglar.
Bob L. Head
> Since AR did not make the claim you dishonestly accuse him of
> making,
STFU Wills, you sick puppy.
MadMonkey
>> So tell us AR, you being
>> a JW for three decades, how
>> many people have you killed?
>> How many children have you
>> molested? did you rape a few
>> gooks during your
>
> Did anybody quote the post with full headers?
> That would be the only way to determine that
> Antonio wasn't the victim of a false flag post, sporgery.
>
> Since the poster was asking AR about his
> tour of duty in Vietnam and using that
> offensive term about offences in Vietnam
> the question seems to be trying to
> use the language of the GI's of that era.
>
I think you may be right. I ignored Kent remarks, Kent is not as bright
as I thought he was. Very disappointing.
> The historical context used does
> make the quote slightly less offensive,
> though it was blatantly intended to
> offend modern day sensibilities, also
> known as POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
>
I think Antonio purposes was for AR to realize simply that people who
join the JW's have different backgrounds and my be perceived as criminal
themselves. If you were Vietnamese and you family was collateral damage
by an American attack, the family would call you a murderer. AR was a JW
for 30 years and he claimed he was a Vietnam Vet.
Jabriol picked up on this. And asked the question how many people did AR
killed during his tour of duty. JW's are neutral they don't join the
army of any country. When AR joined the JW's would it have been proper
for the whole congregation to know AR had bloods on his hands? the
soldier at the time had a practice of calling the enemy degrading names.
Did AR called them Gooks? Did he rape or had sex with Vietnamese Women?
Would he want a whole Church of JW's to know of his past? Would it be a
"moral" obligation if the church had Vietnamese members to be warned
that AR was a gook killer, or supported the efforts to kill Vietnamese?
> To eliminate such a term EVEN in the
> context of it's era would go a LONG
> way toward NEWSPEAK as described
> in Orwell's book 1984.
>
> The world's most famous garage burglar,
> eager to score some PR points,
> calculated that grandstanding about
> this would give him a boost with
> the infantile knee jerk liberal
> crowd on usenet.
Kent is, well, challenged.
--
=You don't want a Mad Monkey on your back=
MadMonkey
> Headers included for legal reasons:
>
>
What legal reason? I am not going to get an answer though.
MadMonkey
Why would elder want to control people?
Polymath-Z
> Greegor wrote:
> >> So tell us AR, you being
> >> a JW for three decades, how
> >> many people have you killed?
> >> How many children have you
> >> molested? did you rape a few
> >> gooks during your
>
> > Did anybody quote the post with full headers?
> > That would be the only way to determine that
> > Antonio wasn't the victim of a false flag post, sporgery.
>
> > Since the poster was asking AR about his
> > tour of duty in Vietnam and using that
> > offensive term about offences in Vietnam
> > the question seems to be trying to
> > use the language of the GI's of that era.
>
> I think you may be right. I ignored Kent remarks, Kent is not as bright
> as I thought he was. Very disappointing.
>
Yup, he is a kook.
> > The historical context used does
> > make the quote slightly less offensive,
> > though it was blatantly intended to
> > offend modern day sensibilities, also
> > known as POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
>
> I think Antonio purposes was for AR to realize simply that people who
> join the JW's have different backgrounds and my be perceived as criminal
> themselves. If you were Vietnamese and you family was collateral damage
> by an American attack, the family would call you a murderer. AR was a JW
> for 30 years and he claimed he was a Vietnam Vet.
> Jabriol picked up on this. And asked the question how many people did AR
> killed during his tour of duty. JW's are neutral they don't join the
> army of any country. When AR joined the JW's would it have been proper
> for the whole congregation to know AR had bloods on his hands? the
> soldier at the time had a practice of calling the enemy degrading names.
> Did AR called them Gooks? Did he rape or had sex with Vietnamese Women?
> Would he want a whole Church of JW's to know of his past? Would it be a
> "moral" obligation if the church had Vietnamese members to be warned
> that AR was a gook killer, or supported the efforts to kill Vietnamese?
>
>
Not really. The man said he was a JW for 30 years, He knew that some
people were not going to be up to JW standards. he must have been an
elder at some point. probly a cold war elder.
Greegor
Antonio > a JW for three decades, how
Antonio > many people have you killed?
Antonio > How many children have you
Antonio > molested? did you rape a few
Antonio > gooks during your
G > Did anybody quote the post with full headers?
G > That would be the only way to determine that
G > Antonio wasn't the victim of a false flag post, sporgery.
G > Since the poster was asking AR about his
G > tour of duty in Vietnam and using that
G > offensive term about offences in Vietnam
G > the question seems to be trying to
G > use the language of the GI's of that era.
MM > I think you may be right. I ignored Kent
MM > remarks, Kent is not as bright
MM > as I thought he was. Very disappointing.
Polymath-Z <jabriol2...@gmail.com> > Yup, he is a kook.
Kent's goal seems to be to manipulate and con people.
He's not as smart as he thinks he is, however.
He must worship Goebbels.
G > The historical context used does
G > make the quote slightly less offensive,
G > though it was blatantly intended to
G > offend modern day sensibilities, also
G > known as POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
MM > I think Antonio purposes was for AR to
MM > realize simply that people who join the
MM > JW's have different backgrounds and
MM > my be perceived as criminal themselves.
MM > If you were Vietnamese and you family
MM > was collateral damage by an American
MM > attack, the family would call you a
MM > murderer.
The VN immigrants I knew would have been
sad but not angry or vengeful. Most seem to
have a wiser more forgiving big picture view as
if it was a whirlwind that sucked everybody in.
A bit like how WW 2 Vets from Japan and the US
greet each other without vengeful attitudes now.
I think a vengeful attitude among VN immigrants
would be very rare.
MM > AR was a JW for 30 years and
MM > he claimed he was a Vietnam Vet.
JW's don't refuse to accept old war vets do they?
MM > Jabriol picked up on this. And asked the
MM > question how many people did AR
MM > killed during his tour of duty. JW's
MM > are neutral they don't join the
MM > army of any country. When AR joined
MM > the JW's would it have been proper
MM > for the whole congregation to know
MM > AR had bloods on his hands?
Do they allow people to reform?
MM > the soldier at the time had a practice
MM > of calling the enemy degrading names.
MM > Did AR called them Gooks? Did he
MM > rape or had sex with Vietnamese Women?
MM > Would he want a whole Church of JW's to know of his past?
If they reformed a street whore, would the whole
congregation need to know of her past?
Would they care what her sordid past was before
she "came to Jesus"?
MM > Would it be a "moral" obligation if the
MM > church had Vietnamese members to be
MM > warned that AR was a gook killer, or
MM > supported the efforts to kill Vietnamese?
To bring that up after somebody "came to Jesus"
wouldn't make much sense to me.
I suspect the effort at personal attack would
be seen for what it is, and seen as a sick attempt.
To automatically presume that a Vietnam vet
automatically committed atrocities would be
a slight stretch.
Plus, wouldn't the JW's take in people with sordid
past, allowing them to show how they REFORMED
somebody who was once supposedly immoral?
If the JW's don't allow for redemption and
reform of people with sordid pasts I
would be amazed.
G > To eliminate such a term EVEN in the
G > context of it's era would go a LONG
G > way toward NEWSPEAK as described
G > in Orwell's book 1984.
G >
G > The world's most famous garage burglar,
G > eager to score some PR points,
G > calculated that grandstanding about
G > this would give him a boost with
G > the infantile knee jerk liberal
G > crowd on usenet.
MM > Kent is, well, challenged.
Aspergers. Bright in some ways (Mensa?)
yet an imbecile overall, void of common sense.
That's the nature of the whole idiot / savant thing.
I think Aspergers is extremely common on usenet,
way over HALF of all usenet posters, but only a few
are as pronounced and obvious as Kent's.
Kent got out of TEN YEARS in prison because of it.
Parrish *~
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Greegor
> This is reposted to Antonio can't claim
> he never called the Vietnamese people "Gooks."
Are you autistic, Parrish?
Antonio donned the language of the time
to ask a 'Nam Vet some hostile questions.
That does NOT mean that Antonio goes
around using that slur in general.
You're NOT going to get the mileage out
of that you seem to want, unless you
cut the CONTEXT of his post and my
comments pointing this out.
Do you intend to quote him
OUT OF CONTEXT or hope you can incite
a population with short attention spans?
> Antono has a habit of removing his posts from Google. This
> will keep it there.
Fully in context I think you are shooting blanks.
Applying modern day knee jerk liberal
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS to the
common language of 1960's Viet Nam
soldiers is Orwellian and idiotic.
Yes, he did in fact use that term, but he
used it in a context wich is appropriate
to the milieu he was asking about.
ie : It would be like if you started griping
about Twain being conciously racist for
using the N-word when that was the
proper term for the era and milyeu
he lived in and wrote about.
Sanitizing the language of another era
is an evil worse than any slurs you're
getting worked up about.
See newspeak in Orwell's 1984.
Jumping all over somebody for framing a
question in the vernacular of THE ERA
they are asking about is just wrong.
Kent and the rest of the Aspergers
crowd often seize upon the mere
use of a word thinking they are witty,
and overlook the CONTEXT completely.
If you ask a WW2 veteran a question about
Japs or Krauts this does NOT mean that
you run around using those terms in
your everyday encounters with Japanese
or German people.
If somebody then obsessively seizes
on this use of those terms just to paint
you to be a racist it would be wrong.
Kent is overly eager to call opponents racists.
Did you start this cheap shot or did Kent?
Polymath-Z
> On Sep 1, 9:55 pm, "Parrish *~" <Par...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> > This is reposted to Antonio can't claim
> > he never called the Vietnamese people "Gooks."
>
> Are you autistic, Parrish?
>
Parrish is just another sock for Carolyn Gulley. Most likely she is
not reading your post, because she is a coward. What she is a JW hate
monger.
> Antonio donned the language of the time
> to ask a 'Nam Vet some hostile questions.
> That does NOT mean that Antonio goes
> around using that slur in general.
>
Nope. But that not her point. to her JW's are only to utter one
sentence: "Jesus Love you" anything else is non-JW.
> You're NOT going to get the mileage out
> of that you seem to want, unless you
> cut the CONTEXT of his post and my
> comments pointing this out.
>
She will do exactly that, and repost it a millions time using of to 4
sock puppets at a time.
> Do you intend to quote him
> OUT OF CONTEXT or hope you can incite
> a population with short attention spans?
>
She beeen doing this for the last 15 years. No surprise here.
> > Antono has a habit of removing his posts from Google. This
> > will keep it there.
>
> Fully in context I think you are shooting blanks.
>
she believe I remove posts, and her intent is to use this excuse, to
justify her actions.
> Applying modern day knee jerk liberal
> POLITICAL CORRECTNESS to the
> common language of 1960's Viet Nam
> soldiers is Orwellian and idiotic.
>
> Yes, he did in fact use that term, but he
> used it in a context wich is appropriate
> to the milieu he was asking about.
>
> ie : It would be like if you started griping
> about Twain being conciously racist for
> using the N-word when that was the
> proper term for the era and milyeu
> he lived in and wrote about.
>
> Sanitizing the language of another era
> is an evil worse than any slurs you're
> getting worked up about.
>
> See newspeak in Orwell's 1984.
>
> Jumping all over somebody for framing a
> question in the vernacular of THE ERA
> they are asking about is just wrong.
>
Doesn't matter to her. Only the JW's are suppose to be squeaky clean.
Not her.
> Kent and the rest of the Aspergers
> crowd often seize upon the mere
> use of a word thinking they are witty,
> and overlook the CONTEXT completely.
>
> If you ask a WW2 veteran a question about
> Japs or Krauts this does NOT mean that
> you run around using those terms in
> your everyday encounters with Japanese
> or German people.
>
> If somebody then obsessively seizes
> on this use of those terms just to paint
> you to be a racist it would be wrong.
>
> Kent is overly eager to call opponents racists.
>
> Did you start this cheap shot or did Kent?
She going right now holding her ears while singing "Monkey is in the
barrel and needs to be spanked"
Parrish *~
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On Sep 2, 3:42 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 1, 9:55 pm, "Parrish *~" <Par...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> > This is reposted to Antonio can't claim
> > he never called the Vietnamese people "Gooks."
>
> Are you autistic, Parrish?
>
Parrish is just another sock for Carolyn Gulley. Most likely she is
not reading your post, because she is a coward. What she is a JW hate
monger.
::: You can't stand the WTS being exposed for what it is can you Antonio L
Santana? Did you tell him the young man who was depressed that you
encouraged to commit suicide suffered from the same mental disorder he does?
Asperger's syndrome. Will you taunt Greegor also because he has a mental
illness? Did you tell him that when Chris commit suicide you GLOATED and
then threatened his mother Cynthia?
> Antonio donned the language of the time
> to ask a 'Nam Vet some hostile questions.
> That does NOT mean that Antonio goes
> around using that slur in general.
>
Nope. But that not her point. to her JW's are only to utter one
sentence: "Jesus Love you" anything else is non-JW.
::: But you exposed your racism. What is your excuse for calling a
bi-racial child a "black bastard human wannabe?"
> You're NOT going to get the mileage out
> of that you seem to want, unless you
> cut the CONTEXT of his post and my
> comments pointing this out.
>
She will do exactly that, and repost it a millions time using of to 4
sock puppets at a time.
::: And what about your 150 plus socks Antonio L Santana-Candia? I use 4
nyms and not try to trick people that I am a new poster here as you do. You
change your name sometimes twice a day.
> Do you intend to quote him
> OUT OF CONTEXT or hope you can incite
> a population with short attention spans?
>
She beeen doing this for the last 15 years. No surprise here.
::: But you exposed your racism. No one has called those people "gooks" in
over 20 years. What is your excuse for calling a bi-racial child a "black
bastard human wannabe?"
> > Antono has a habit of removing his posts from Google. This
> > will keep it there.
>
> Fully in context I think you are shooting blanks.
>
she believe I remove posts, and her intent is to use this excuse, to
justify her actions.
::: Of course you do. But a court order can bring them all back to life.
:-)
Doesn't matter to her. Only the JW's are suppose to be squeaky clean.
Not her.
::: Since they brag that they are, they should be, or they should shut up
and admit they're no better than anyone else.
>
> Kent is overly eager to call opponents racists.
>
> Did you start this cheap shot or did Kent?
She going right now holding her ears while singing "Monkey is in the
barrel and needs to be spanked"
::: I see you don't plan on teaching this one bible principals either.
Since he's too sick to see what you are, you wont torment him like you did
Chris. Too bad Chris took you seriously and killed himself.
Polymath-Z
>
> ::: I see you don't plan on teaching this one bible principals either.
> Since he's too sick to see what you are, you wont torment him like you did
> Chris. Too bad Chris took you seriously and killed himself.
Hey Greegor... Carol called you a retard.
Parrish *~
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On Sep 1, 9:55 pm, "Parrish *~" <Par...@invalid.com> wrote:
> This is reposted to Antonio can't claim
> he never called the Vietnamese people "Gooks."
Are you autistic, Parrish?
::: Are you schizophrenic? What is your problem with me? Why do you care
if I get people out of a unhealthy cult and warn others before they get
involved? Why does this bother you? Does it bother you that Kent has the
balls to speak up to a known bully and sociopath on these groups?
Antonio donned the language of the time
to ask a 'Nam Vet some hostile questions.
That does NOT mean that Antonio goes
around using that slur in general.
::: And you know this how? You live with him and follow him 24 hrs a day so
feel you can speak for him? What gives him the right to ask "hostile"
questions of a vet? Whose business is it what the man did in the service 30
years ago? He was drafted, he went... end of story.
You're NOT going to get the mileage out
of that you seem to want, unless you
cut the CONTEXT of his post and my
comments pointing this out.
::: What mileage? Everyone on these groups but you knows what a rotten
vicious lying scumbag Antonio L Santana is. They also know he's racist
after his calling a bi-racial child a "black bastard human wannabe." Are
you going to make excuses and justifications for that comment Antonio made
too?
Do you intend to quote him
OUT OF CONTEXT or hope you can incite
a population with short attention spans?
::: Not at all. It's so when he claims he didn't write it, it can be tossed
in his lying face.
> Antono has a habit of removing his posts from Google. This
> will keep it there.
Fully in context I think you are shooting blanks.
::: That makes no sense. Think before you wite something.
Applying modern day knee jerk liberal
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS to the
common language of 1960's Viet Nam
soldiers is Orwellian and idiotic.
::: This isn't the 1960s. Get that through your head. It's 2011.
Yes, he did in fact use that term, but he
used it in a context wich is appropriate
to the milieu he was asking about.
ie : It would be like if you started griping
about Twain being conciously racist for
using the N-word when that was the
proper term for the era and milyeu
he lived in and wrote about.
::: Maybe in your world, not in other people's worlds. You're making
excuses for a racist who has made racist remarks in the past.
Sanitizing the language of another era
is an evil worse than any slurs you're
getting worked up about.
See newspeak in Orwell's 1984.
Jumping all over somebody for framing a
question in the vernacular of THE ERA
they are asking about is just wrong.
::: And your jumping all over someone who dislikes racists and racist
remarks is just wrong.
Kent and the rest of the Aspergers
crowd often seize upon the mere
use of a word thinking they are witty,
and overlook the CONTEXT completely.
If you ask a WW2 veteran a question about
Japs or Krauts this does NOT mean that
you run around using those terms in
your everyday encounters with Japanese
or German people.
::: In your world. Not the real world. A racist is a racist. The only
reason they wouldn't say it to someone's face is because they wouldn't want
their asses kicked.
If somebody then obsessively seizes
on this use of those terms just to paint
you to be a racist it would be wrong.
Kent is overly eager to call opponents racists.
Did you start this cheap shot or did Kent?
::: Antonio started it with his racist remark and you're making excuses for
him because Kent tells him off wont change Antonio L Santana. Have you any
idea what the people on these groups thinks of Antonio? Or do you not care
what kind of person you're trying to defend?
Polymath-Z
> Antonio > So tell us AR, you being
> Antonio > a JW for three decades, how
> Antonio > many people have you killed?
> Antonio > How many children have you
> Antonio > molested? did you rape a few
> Antonio > gooks during your
>
> G > Did anybody quote the post with full headers?
> G > That would be the only way to determine that
> G > Antonio wasn't the victim of a false flag post, sporgery.
>
She does that a lot. her obsession with me is beyond normal.
> G > Since the poster was asking AR about his
> G > tour of duty in Vietnam and using that
> G > offensive term about offences in Vietnam
> G > the question seems to be trying to
> G > use the language of the GI's of that era.
>
> MM > I think you may be right. I ignored Kent
> MM > remarks, Kent is not as bright
> MM > as I thought he was. Very disappointing.
>
> Polymath-Z <jabriol2...@gmail.com> > Yup, he is a kook.
>
> Kent's goal seems to be to manipulate and con people.
> He's not as smart as he thinks he is, however.
> He must worship Goebbels.
>
Seems that way.
> G > The historical context used does
> G > make the quote slightly less offensive,
> G > though it was blatantly intended to
> G > offend modern day sensibilities, also
> G > known as POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
>
> MM > I think Antonio purposes was for AR to
> MM > realize simply that people who join the
> MM > JW's have different backgrounds and
> MM > my be perceived as criminal themselves.
> MM > If you were Vietnamese and you family
> MM > was collateral damage by an American
> MM > attack, the family would call you a
> MM > murderer.
>
> The VN immigrants I knew would have been
> sad but not angry or vengeful. Most seem to
> have a wiser more forgiving big picture view as
> if it was a whirlwind that sucked everybody in.
>
Of course they not Americans, different cultures. American can't let
go, like AR and Carol.
> A bit like how WW 2 Vets from Japan and the US
> greet each other without vengeful attitudes now.
>
only because Japanese have a profound economic control on american
soil.
> I think a vengeful attitude among VN immigrants
> would be very rare.
>
> MM > AR was a JW for 30 years and
> MM > he claimed he was a Vietnam Vet.
>
> JW's don't refuse to accept old war vets do they?
>
of course, they allowed Fred.
> MM > Jabriol picked up on this. And asked the
> MM > question how many people did AR
> MM > killed during his tour of duty. JW's
> MM > are neutral they don't join the
> MM > army of any country. When AR joined
> MM > the JW's would it have been proper
> MM > for the whole congregation to know
> MM > AR had bloods on his hands?
>
> Do they allow people to reform?
>
That the Idea. But according to AR and Carol, they shouldn't.
> MM > the soldier at the time had a practice
> MM > of calling the enemy degrading names.
> MM > Did AR called them Gooks? Did he
> MM > rape or had sex with Vietnamese Women?
> MM > Would he want a whole Church of JW's to know of his past?
>
> If they reformed a street whore, would the whole
> congregation need to know of her past?
>
according to Carol and AR they should.
> Would they care what her sordid past was before
> she "came to Jesus"?
>
according to Carol and AR they should
> MM > Would it be a "moral" obligation if the
> MM > church had Vietnamese members to be
> MM > warned that AR was a gook killer, or
> MM > supported the efforts to kill Vietnamese?
>
> To bring that up after somebody "came to Jesus"
> wouldn't make much sense to me.
>
according to Carol and AR it does.
> I suspect the effort at personal attack would
> be seen for what it is, and seen as a sick attempt.
>
> To automatically presume that a Vietnam vet
> automatically committed atrocities would be
> a slight stretch.
>
according to Carol and AR all JW are demented homicidal child
molesters. That a stretch no?
> Plus, wouldn't the JW's take in people with sordid
> past, allowing them to show how they REFORMED
> somebody who was once supposedly immoral?
>
according to Carol and AR they shouldn't.
> If the JW's don't allow for redemption and
> reform of people with sordid pasts I
> would be amazed.
>
according to Carol and AR you would.
> G > To eliminate such a term EVEN in the
> G > context of it's era would go a LONG
> G > way toward NEWSPEAK as described
> G > in Orwell's book 1984.
> G >
> G > The world's most famous garage burglar,
> G > eager to score some PR points,
> G > calculated that grandstanding about
> G > this would give him a boost with
> G > the infantile knee jerk liberal
> G > crowd on usenet.
>
> MM > Kent is, well, challenged.
>
> Aspergers. Bright in some ways (Mensa?)
> yet an imbecile overall, void of common sense.
>
That is Kent.
Polymath-Z
> "Greegor" <greego...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:076fea54-a86a-4384...@s7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 1, 9:55 pm, "Parrish *~" <Par...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> > This is reposted to Antonio can't claim
> > he never called the Vietnamese people "Gooks."
>
> Are you autistic, Parrish?
>
> ::: Are you schizophrenic? What is your problem with me? Why do you care
> if I get people out of a unhealthy cult and warn others before they get
> involved? Why does this bother you?
Are people that stupid they can't make decisions on their own?
> Does it bother you that Kent has the
> balls to speak up to a known bully and sociopath on these groups?
>
Kent is an ally but MM is a troll. So what is Greegor ally or troll?
> Antonio donned the language of the time
> to ask a 'Nam Vet some hostile questions.
> That does NOT mean that Antonio goes
> around using that slur in general.
>
> ::: And you know this how? You live with him and follow him 24 hrs a day so
> feel you can speak for him? What gives him the right to ask "hostile"
> questions of a vet? Whose business is it what the man did in the service 30
> years ago? He was drafted, he went... end of story.
>
Ask her the same question, as you can see she does stalk me if she
follow me 24 hrs a day, she think nshe can speak for me, stalker and
kook mentality.
AR was drafted, and he told you this. So that gave him the right to
kill gooks. real JW would refuse and go to jail.
> You're NOT going to get the mileage out
> of that you seem to want, unless you
> cut the CONTEXT of his post and my
> comments pointing this out.
>
> ::: What mileage? Everyone on these groups but you knows what a rotten
> vicious lying scumbag Antonio L Santana is. They also know he's racist
> after his calling a bi-racial child a "black bastard human wannabe." Are
> you going to make excuses and justifications for that comment Antonio made
> too?
>
everyone is basically Carol and her socks, in Gulleyworld.
> Do you intend to quote him
> OUT OF CONTEXT or hope you can incite
> a population with short attention spans?
>
> ::: Not at all. It's so when he claims he didn't write it, it can be tossed
> in his lying face.
>
uh huh.
> > Antono has a habit of removing his posts from Google. This
> > will keep it there.
>
> Fully in context I think you are shooting blanks.
>
> ::: That makes no sense. Think before you wite something.
>
She called you an Idiot.
> Applying modern day knee jerk liberal
> POLITICAL CORRECTNESS to the
> common language of 1960's Viet Nam
> soldiers is Orwellian and idiotic.
>
> ::: This isn't the 1960s. Get that through your head. It's 2011.
>
and she still on a crusade.
> Yes, he did in fact use that term, but he
> used it in a context wich is appropriate
> to the milieu he was asking about.
>
> ie : It would be like if you started griping
> about Twain being conciously racist for
> using the N-word when that was the
> proper term for the era and milyeu
> he lived in and wrote about.
>
> ::: Maybe in your world, not in other people's worlds. You're making
> excuses for a racist who has made racist remarks in the past.
>
she is referring to Gulleyworld. she has no problem being a religious
Bigot in 2011.
> Sanitizing the language of another era
> is an evil worse than any slurs you're
> getting worked up about.
>
> See newspeak in Orwell's 1984.
>
> Jumping all over somebody for framing a
> question in the vernacular of THE ERA
> they are asking about is just wrong.
>
> ::: And your jumping all over someone who dislikes racists and racist
> remarks is just wrong.
>
translation she hates Jw's and calls them racists.
> Kent and the rest of the Aspergers
> crowd often seize upon the mere
> use of a word thinking they are witty,
> and overlook the CONTEXT completely.
>
> If you ask a WW2 veteran a question about
> Japs or Krauts this does NOT mean that
> you run around using those terms in
> your everyday encounters with Japanese
> or German people.
>
> ::: In your world. Not the real world. A racist is a racist. The only
> reason they wouldn't say it to someone's face is because they wouldn't want
> their asses kicked.
>
Now you know why she uses remailers and socks, So plastic bag man cant
pay her a visit.
> If somebody then obsessively seizes
> on this use of those terms just to paint
> you to be a racist it would be wrong.
>
> Kent is overly eager to call opponents racists.
>
> Did you start this cheap shot or did Kent?
>
> ::: Antonio started it with his racist remark and you're making excuses for
> him because Kent tells him off wont change Antonio L Santana. Have you any
> idea what the people on these groups thinks of Antonio? Or do you not care
> what kind of person you're trying to defend?
about the same way people think about you.. which can be descrinbed in
one word. Kook.
Greegor
> "Greegor" <greego...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:076fea54-a86a-4384...@s7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 1, 9:55 pm, "Parrish *~" <Par...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> > This is reposted to Antonio can't claim
> > he never called the Vietnamese people "Gooks."
>
> Are you autistic, Parrish?
>
> ::: Are you schizophrenic? What is your problem with me? Why do you care
> if I get people out of a unhealthy cult
You've got a "rescue fantasy" about getting people
out of a religion you have worked up a good HATE for.
And you use deceptive tactics toward that end??
What religion can not be considered to be a cult?
And you're using usenet. which is a cult as well?
> and warn others before they get
> involved? Why does this bother you?
I merely pointed out flawed logic and deception.
Apparently you have weak reasoning ability.
Torturing CONTEXT to "get" somebody is
not as bright as you apparently think.
> Does it bother you that Kent has the
> balls to speak up to a known bully and
> sociopath on these groups?
Kent IS a sociopath, arguably also a psychopath.
He is the perfect ally for you! LOL
> Antonio donned the language of the time
> to ask a 'Nam Vet some hostile questions.
> That does NOT mean that Antonio goes
> around using that slur in general.
>
> ::: And you know this how?
Perhaps you need a logic class.
What you think is damning proof that
he is a racist does NOT prove that.
You seem to have an autism like single
minded focus on his use of that word while
completely ignoring the CONTEXT which
largely excuses his use of the vernacular
of the time and in that military milyeu.
> You live with him and follow him 24 hrs a day so
> feel you can speak for him?
I pointed out your logical flaw and you
get into this emotional garbage?
> What gives him
> the right to ask "hostile" questions of a vet?
The US Constitution, for one.
His hostile questions were much more logical
than yours, too.
> Whose business is it what the man did in the service 30
> years ago? He was drafted, he went... end of story.
>
> You're NOT going to get the mileage out
> of that you seem to want, unless you
> cut the CONTEXT of his post and my
> comments pointing this out.
>
> ::: What mileage? Everyone on these groups but you knows what a rotten
> vicious lying scumbag Antonio L Santana is.
Doubtful.
> They also know he's racist after his calling a bi-racial
> child a "black bastard human wannabe."
Kent posts quotes falsely attributed to me all the time.
Some of them came from sporgery posts.
Kent was so eager to paint me as a racist that
he even found a quote from a white
supremacist with the same first and last
name as me, and falsely attributed the
quote to me.
Kent scoured the internet looking for dirt
on ANY Greg Hanson anywhere because
Kent argued that he was the wrong Kent Wills.
Amusingly, now Kent argues that his name
is not Kent at all, despite being FULLY ID'd.
> Are
> you going to make excuses and justifications for that comment Antonio made
> too?
Kent has used lame sporgeries to try to frame me.
He asserted them even after they were exposed.
> Do you intend to quote him
> OUT OF CONTEXT or hope you can incite
> a population with short attention spans?
>
> ::: Not at all. It's so when he claims he
> didn't write it, it can be tossed
> in his lying face.
In what context?
That he used that word, which is a half truth?
or that he used that word to ask a historical
question in the vernacular of that day and milyeu?
> > Antono has a habit of removing his posts from Google. This
> > will keep it there.
>
> Fully in context I think you are shooting blanks.
>
> ::: That makes no sense. Think before you wite something.
If you quote him in context, your attack is self defeating
and reveals your attempt to deceive.
If you merely assert that he is racist because
he used that word, then you are guilty of
a half truth, a common trick autists and other use.
If you abuse CONTEXT then you are attempting
to mislead or deceive.
> Applying modern day knee jerk liberal
> POLITICAL CORRECTNESS to the
> common language of 1960's Viet Nam
> soldiers is Orwellian and idiotic.
>
> ::: This isn't the 1960s. Get that through your head. It's 2011.
If I ask you about events when you were a
toddler, I might ask if you fell on your
boo boo.
If you were an immigrant from Poland and
I were asking you a historical question about
a time when you were in Poland, I might
ask in Polska to help you get into the mindset
that you had AT THAT TIME.
> Yes, he did in fact use that term, but he
> used it in a context wich is appropriate
> to the milieu he was asking about.
>
> ie : It would be like if you started griping
> about Twain being conciously racist for
> using the N-word when that was the
> proper term for the era and milyeu
> he lived in and wrote about.
>
> ::: Maybe in your world, not in other people's worlds. You're making
> excuses for a racist who has made racist remarks in the past.
You have failed logically at your argument.
No amount of emotional temper tantrum will change that.
Now you're making your entire crusade look
like your standard of logical proof is garbage.
Do you think your "say so" is PROOF?
His use of "gook" was an anacronism.
He might be a racist, or he might not, but
YOU have failed to prove that he is a racist.
On usenet you'd have to prove that
he said something truly racist, this quote
you seized upon is NOT the proof you seek.
Even if you can quote him saying something
horribly racist you need to be careful that
you're not gigging him for something that
was a SPORGERY OF HIM done by one
of your less scrupulous allies.
Do you know how to read a message header?
> Sanitizing the language of another era
> is an evil worse than any slurs you're
> getting worked up about.
>
> See newspeak in Orwell's 1984.
>
> Jumping all over somebody for framing a
> question in the vernacular of THE ERA
> they are asking about is just wrong.
>
> ::: And your jumping all over someone who dislikes racists
You hate the racists rather than their racism?
Very telling.
> and racist remarks is just wrong.
Have you ever read Mark Twain's books?
Do you prefer the altered versions that
don't use the N word?
When blacks call each other by the
N word, is that wrong also?
Do you believe that the context is not important?
> Kent and the rest of the Aspergers
> crowd often seize upon the mere
> use of a word thinking they are witty,
> and overlook the CONTEXT completely.
>
> If you ask a WW2 veteran a question about
> Japs or Krauts this does NOT mean that
> you run around using those terms in
> your everyday encounters with Japanese
> or German people.
>
> ::: In your world.
How much do you know about the Honor Flights
that took place in the last year or so?
> Not the real world. A racist is a racist.
Don't you wish your crusade of
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS
was really so simple?
You are a bigot in your own way.
It's a bit like how many atheists RAGE about
religion to the point that their atheism becomes
a religion itself, a religion of hate.
Your anti JW raging seems just as hateful.
> The only
> reason they wouldn't say it to someone's face is because they wouldn't want
> their asses kicked.
G > If somebody then obsessively seizes
G > on this use of those terms just to paint
G > you to be a racist it would be wrong.
G > Kent is overly eager to call opponents racists.
G > Did you start this cheap shot or did Kent?
C > ::: Antonio started it with his racist remark
Keep repeating that, and prove what I was
saying about how you take comments
OUT OF CONTEXT to further your anti JW
hate campaign.
C > and you're making excuses for
C > him because Kent tells him off
I merely pointed out that the FULL CONTEXT
of Antonio's argument mostly exhonerates him.
You seem to have made your campaign
of hate and harassment such an obsession
that you've "lost your marbles" and violated
context and in that way LIED about your
intepretation of Antonio's remarks.
ie: You're so obsessed that you fought dirty
and I caught you at it.
Now you're angry and throwing emotional
temper tantrums.
C > wont change Antonio L Santana. Have you any
C > idea what the people on these groups thinks
C > of Antonio?
You seem to have based your self image,
feelings of self worth, etc. on the wasteland
of usenet.
If you were NEW to usenet that might
make sense, but you've been at
your anti-JW campaign of hate for
FIFTEEN YEARS, right?
So basing your world view on usenet
reputations is unbelievably stupid.
C > Or do you not care
C > what kind of person you're trying to defend?
I didn't defend Antonio, just pointed out that
you claimed PROOF of his racism which
revealed you to be a bit crooked for
abuse of CONTEXT.
I don't give a rats ass about Antonio, you, or
the Jehovah's Witnesses.
You can tear them all a new bung hole daily,
but if you don't want to look like a horses ass
you'll have to control your emotional temper tantrums
and learn how to read headers and present
logical proof on usenet.
Calm down and quit having a big spaz
thinking you nailed your opponent when
you took something OUT OF CONTEXT.
I've seen Kent and Moe each try to play
the race card and they're WHITE!
Maureen tried to pose as a representative
of Native American people once and it was
silly.
MadMonkey
> On Sep 2, 8:13 am, "Parrish *~" <Par...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> "Greegor" <greego...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:076fea54-a86a-4384...@s7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 1, 9:55 pm, "Parrish *~" <Par...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is reposted to Antonio can't claim
>>> he never called the Vietnamese people "Gooks."
>>
>> Are you autistic, Parrish?
>>
>> ::: Are you schizophrenic? What is your problem with me? Why do you care
>> if I get people out of a unhealthy cult
>
> You've got a "rescue fantasy" about getting people
> out of a religion you have worked up a good HATE for.
>
You noticed?
> And you use deceptive tactics toward that end??
>
You noticed?
> What religion can not be considered to be a cult?
>
> And you're using usenet. which is a cult as well?
>
>> and warn others before they get
>> involved? Why does this bother you?
>
> I merely pointed out flawed logic and deception.
> Apparently you have weak reasoning ability.
> Torturing CONTEXT to "get" somebody is
> not as bright as you apparently think.
>
Carol and AR are what american calls "disgruntled". it happens to people
when they are associated with anything long term and expectations are
not fulfilled. some goes postal as you call it.
>> Does it bother you that Kent has the
>> balls to speak up to a known bully and
>> sociopath on these groups?
>
> Kent IS a sociopath, arguably also a psychopath.
> He is the perfect ally for you! LOL
>
>> Antonio donned the language of the time
>> to ask a 'Nam Vet some hostile questions.
>> That does NOT mean that Antonio goes
>> around using that slur in general.
>>
>> ::: And you know this how?
>
> Perhaps you need a logic class.
> What you think is damning proof that
> he is a racist does NOT prove that.
> You seem to have an autism like single
> minded focus on his use of that word while
> completely ignoring the CONTEXT which
> largely excuses his use of the vernacular
> of the time and in that military milyeu.
>
Carol focus is to highlight a negative aspect of Antonio posts to
highlight a flaw with the jw religion. She has a tendency to twist
things. AR doesn't do this. He just belive Antonio as a JW shouldn't say
anything at all and follow the "cult" mandate of giving flowers, and
taking insults. You see he did this himself for 30 years. But the the
religion changed him as he expect it should have? No. His constant use
of obscenities shows this.
>> You live with him and follow him 24 hrs a day so
>> feel you can speak for him?
>
> I pointed out your logical flaw and you
> get into this emotional garbage?
>
She plays the emotional card. Jabriol said she was domestic abuse
victim. Emotional women get slapped around a lot. I am not saying this
is good. It is a fact of life. She enjoy it. Maybe not physically
anymore, but but she enjoys it verbally. She like punishment.
>> What gives him
>> the right to ask "hostile" questions of a vet?
>
> The US Constitution, for one.
>
> His hostile questions were much more logical
> than yours, too.
>
Aemrican laws are funny.
>> Whose business is it what the man did in the service 30
>> years ago? He was drafted, he went... end of story.
>>
>> You're NOT going to get the mileage out
>> of that you seem to want, unless you
>> cut the CONTEXT of his post and my
>> comments pointing this out.
>>
>> ::: What mileage? Everyone on these groups but you knows what a rotten
>> vicious lying scumbag Antonio L Santana is.
>
> Doubtful.
>
Another flaw use of logic --everyone knows--- 2 out of 3 doctors,
--every mother should have this for their child--
Now you undestand why I call her a Bitch :-) her intent is too decieve
she is also a net stalker, and now with er letter writing campaign a
real life stalker as well. Victims of abuse try emulate the abuser.
> If you merely assert that he is racist because
> he used that word, then you are guilty of
> a half truth, a common trick autists and other use.
>
> If you abuse CONTEXT then you are attempting
> to mislead or deceive.
I agree.
Well the Woman will now put you in her Kill File, that is about the
biggest slap down ever.
> Now you're making your entire crusade look
> like your standard of logical proof is garbage.
>
> Do you think your "say so" is PROOF?
>
> His use of "gook" was an anacronism.
>
> He might be a racist, or he might not, but
> YOU have failed to prove that he is a racist.
>
Slapdown 2.
> On usenet you'd have to prove that
> he said something truly racist, this quote
> you seized upon is NOT the proof you seek.
>
Slapdown 3
> Even if you can quote him saying something
> horribly racist you need to be careful that
> you're not gigging him for something that
> was a SPORGERY OF HIM done by one
> of your less scrupulous allies.
>
I.E her sock puppets.
> Do you know how to read a message header?
>
>> Sanitizing the language of another era
>> is an evil worse than any slurs you're
>> getting worked up about.
>>
>> See newspeak in Orwell's 1984.
>>
>> Jumping all over somebody for framing a
>> question in the vernacular of THE ERA
>> they are asking about is just wrong.
>>
>> ::: And your jumping all over someone who dislikes racists
>
> You hate the racists rather than their racism?
>
> Very telling.
She is a Loon.
Wham Bam Sllllllllaaaaaaaapppppp Doooooooownnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!
> Your anti JW raging seems just as hateful.
>
Sllllllllaaaaaaaapppppp
Doooooooownnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> The only
>> reason they wouldn't say it to someone's face is because they wouldn't want
>> their asses kicked.
>
> G > If somebody then obsessively seizes
> G > on this use of those terms just to paint
> G > you to be a racist it would be wrong.
>
> G > Kent is overly eager to call opponents racists.
>
> G > Did you start this cheap shot or did Kent?
>
> C > ::: Antonio started it with his racist remark
>
> Keep repeating that, and prove what I was
> saying about how you take comments
> OUT OF CONTEXT to further your anti JW
> hate campaign.
>
Oh Lord, Carol is getting teared a new one.
> C > and you're making excuses for
> C > him because Kent tells him off
>
> I merely pointed out that the FULL CONTEXT
> of Antonio's argument mostly exhonerates him.
>
> You seem to have made your campaign
> of hate and harassment such an obsession
> that you've "lost your marbles" and violated
> context and in that way LIED about your
> intepretation of Antonio's remarks.
>
This is just too much I'm tearing here man!
> ie: You're so obsessed that you fought dirty
> and I caught you at it.
>
> Now you're angry and throwing emotional
> temper tantrums.
>
Awwwwwwwwwwww
> C > wont change Antonio L Santana. Have you any
> C > idea what the people on these groups thinks
> C > of Antonio?
>
> You seem to have based your self image,
> feelings of self worth, etc. on the wasteland
> of usenet.
I can't take this any longer I need air.
>
> If you were NEW to usenet that might
> make sense, but you've been at
> your anti-JW campaign of hate for
> FIFTEEN YEARS, right?
>
> So basing your world view on usenet
> reputations is unbelievably stupid.
>
And she is down for the count!!
> C > Or do you not care
> C > what kind of person you're trying to defend?
>
> I didn't defend Antonio, just pointed out that
> you claimed PROOF of his racism which
> revealed you to be a bit crooked for
> abuse of CONTEXT.
One
>
> I don't give a rats ass about Antonio, you, or
> the Jehovah's Witnesses.
>
> You can tear them all a new bung hole daily,
> but if you don't want to look like a horses ass
> you'll have to control your emotional temper tantrums
> and learn how to read headers and present
> logical proof on usenet.
Two
>
> Calm down and quit having a big spaz
> thinking you nailed your opponent when
> you took something OUT OF CONTEXT.
>
> I've seen Kent and Moe each try to play
> the race card and they're WHITE!
>
> Maureen tried to pose as a representative
> of Native American people once and it was
> silly.
Three
And she is KO'ed
--
Khetanna Sauron
Go ahead Carol... it is ok to cry.
> ...
>
>
Kent Wills
wrote:
>On Sep 2, 9:13 am, "Parrish *~" <Par...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> "Greegor" <greego...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:076fea54-a86a-4384...@s7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 1, 9:55 pm, "Parrish *~" <Par...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>> > This is reposted to Antonio can't claim
>> > he never called the Vietnamese people "Gooks."
>>
>> Are you autistic, Parrish?
>>
>> ::: Are you schizophrenic? What is your problem with me? Why do you care
>> if I get people out of a unhealthy cult and warn others before they get
>> involved? Why does this bother you?
>
>Are people that stupid they can't make decisions on their own?
>
Someone needs to point them to the truth about the WTS. You
certainly won't do it.
>> Does it bother you that Kent has the
>> balls to speak up to a known bully and sociopath on these groups?
>>
>
>Kent is an ally but MM is a troll. So what is Greegor ally or troll?
>
A sad, mentally ill, wife BEATER (two convictions), child ABUSER
(his name appears on Iowa's Child Abuse Registry and you don't get
listed for not buying enough girl scout cookies), self admitted user
and abuser of illegal drugs (see sig for the C&P), and self proved
mental retard.
In time he will "attack" you, Antonio, because you are not white
and you're an immigrant.
>> Antonio donned the language of the time
>> to ask a 'Nam Vet some hostile questions.
>> That does NOT mean that Antonio goes
>> around using that slur in general.
>>
>> ::: And you know this how? You live with him and follow him 24 hrs a day so
>> feel you can speak for him? What gives him the right to ask "hostile"
>> questions of a vet? Whose business is it what the man did in the service 30
>> years ago? He was drafted, he went... end of story.
>>
>
>Ask her the same question, as you can see she does stalk me if she
>follow me 24 hrs a day, she think nshe can speak for me, stalker and
>kook mentality.
>
>AR was drafted, and he told you this. So that gave him the right to
>kill gooks. real JW would refuse and go to jail.
>
Still feeling the NEED to prove yourself the racist you are.
Go right ahead. In the end, you end up harming yourself.
>> You're NOT going to get the mileage out
>> of that you seem to want, unless you
>> cut the CONTEXT of his post and my
>> comments pointing this out.
>>
>> ::: What mileage? Everyone on these groups but you knows what a rotten
>> vicious lying scumbag Antonio L Santana is. They also know he's racist
>> after his calling a bi-racial child a "black bastard human wannabe." Are
>> you going to make excuses and justifications for that comment Antonio made
>> too?
>>
>
>everyone is basically Carol and her socks, in Gulleyworld.
>
You're transferring Greg's Fregoli onto Carol.
>> Do you intend to quote him
>> OUT OF CONTEXT or hope you can incite
>> a population with short attention spans?
>>
>> ::: Not at all. It's so when he claims he didn't write it, it can be tossed
>> in his lying face.
>>
>
>uh huh.
>
In time you will LIE and claim you never posted a racial slur.
>> > Antono has a habit of removing his posts from Google. This
>> > will keep it there.
>>
>> Fully in context I think you are shooting blanks.
>>
>> ::: That makes no sense. Think before you wite something.
>>
>
>She called you an Idiot.
>
Greg is an idiot. He proves this almost every day.
>> Applying modern day knee jerk liberal
>> POLITICAL CORRECTNESS to the
>> common language of 1960's Viet Nam
>> soldiers is Orwellian and idiotic.
>>
>> ::: This isn't the 1960s. Get that through your head. It's 2011.
>
>and she still on a crusade.
>
She is very open about wanting to rescue people from the WTS
cult. You're acting like you've stumbled upon some great secret.
>> Yes, he did in fact use that term, but he
>> used it in a context wich is appropriate
>> to the milieu he was asking about.
>>
>> ie : It would be like if you started griping
>> about Twain being conciously racist for
>> using the N-word when that was the
>> proper term for the era and milyeu
>> he lived in and wrote about.
>>
>> ::: Maybe in your world, not in other people's worlds. You're making
>> excuses for a racist who has made racist remarks in the past.
>>
>
>she is referring to Gulleyworld. she has no problem being a religious
>Bigot in 2011.
>
I get the feeling Carol is agnostic. Not the same as you
dishonestly present.
>> Sanitizing the language of another era
>> is an evil worse than any slurs you're
>> getting worked up about.
>>
>> See newspeak in Orwell's 1984.
>>
>> Jumping all over somebody for framing a
>> question in the vernacular of THE ERA
>> they are asking about is just wrong.
>>
>> ::: And your jumping all over someone who dislikes racists and racist
>> remarks is just wrong.
>>
>
>translation she hates Jw's and calls them racists.
>
I haven't seen anything that would support either claim.
She's expressed no hate for Jehovah's Witnesses, but she does
hate what they do to people.
Since you posted the racial slur, and have made no effort to
indicate you did so in error, the only reasonable position readers can
take is that you are a racist.
>> Kent and the rest of the Aspergers
>> crowd often seize upon the mere
>> use of a word thinking they are witty,
>> and overlook the CONTEXT completely.
>>
>> If you ask a WW2 veteran a question about
>> Japs or Krauts this does NOT mean that
>> you run around using those terms in
>> your everyday encounters with Japanese
>> or German people.
>>
>> ::: In your world. Not the real world. A racist is a racist. The only
>> reason they wouldn't say it to someone's face is because they wouldn't want
>> their asses kicked.
>>
>
>Now you know why she uses remailers and socks, So plastic bag man cant
>pay her a visit.
When has Carol done either?
BTW, nice threat, stupid!
>
>> If somebody then obsessively seizes
>> on this use of those terms just to paint
>> you to be a racist it would be wrong.
>>
>> Kent is overly eager to call opponents racists.
>>
>> Did you start this cheap shot or did Kent?
>>
>> ::: Antonio started it with his racist remark and you're making excuses for
>> him because Kent tells him off wont change Antonio L Santana. Have you any
>> idea what the people on these groups thinks of Antonio? Or do you not care
>> what kind of person you're trying to defend?
>
>about the same way people think about you.. which can be descrinbed in
>one word. Kook.
Projection is a bad thing, Antonio. You should cease.
--
'Life is pain. Anybody that says different is selling something.'
-- Fezzik's mother
Shushaku
wrote:
> In article <j3rdib$2s...@dont-email.me>, Parrish *~ says...
>
>
>
>
> >"Polymath-Z" <jabriol2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:acd05012-29a3-485e...@n35g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> >On Sep 2, 11:13 am, "Parrish *~" <Par...@invalid.com> wrote:
> >> "Polymath-Z" <jabriol2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:d9e6af4d-5457-443a...@fe21g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Sep 2, 9:13 am, "Parrish *~" <Par...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> >> > "Greegor" <greego...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >news:076fea54-a86a-4384...@s7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> >> > On Sep 1, 9:55 pm, "Parrish *~" <Par...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Antonio donned the language of the time
> >> > to ask a 'Nam Vet some hostile questions.
> >> > That does NOT mean that Antonio goes
> >> > around using that slur in general.
>
> >> > ::: And you know this how? You live with him
> >> > and follow him 24 hrs a day so feel you can
> >> > speak for him? What gives him the right to
> >> > ask "hostile" questions of a vet? Whose
> >> > business is it what the man did in the service
> >> > 30 years ago? He was drafted, he went... end
> >> > of story.
>
OH no you use the term "gook" that make you a racist in Carol's eyes.
> This is just a variation of the old 'baby killer' accusations that American
> Vietnam veterans had to endure for two decades or so. First off, no one but
> little children or adult retards would ask a veteran if he killed anyone.
Being a Vet makes you an exception? But the question did bother you.
I am sure it would have bothered you the day they ask you the baptism
question right? Did they ask you Fred? did any Elder ask you to
confess to your war crimes? all your sexual encounters with possible
minors before baptism? Adultery? Drug use?
You Know former elder why I asked you what I did.
> Secondly, the generation who accused us of being baby killers has long since
> grown up and have stopped repeating those lies. I was Airborne infantry and
> have several medals and badges awarded to me by the Department of the Army.
>
For killing people. the Army does that.
> >> AR was drafted, and he told you this. So
> >> that gave him the right to kill gooks. real
> >> JW would refuse and go to jail.
>
> Actually, I volunteered. That gave me the right to fight for my country.
So we see Carol lies again. AR caught you RED HANDED in a lie about
him. You have just demonstrated how easy it is for you to lie and
fabricate stories.
In
> those days JWs did go to prison for refusing to be drafted. I have worked with
> individuals who were also conscientious objectors who worked in hospitals or the
> US Forest Service in lieu of the military, but the JWs couldn't even do that.
> What a waste of two years. At least those who worked was a benefit to our
> society, but the JWs sentenced to prison were a drain on our society. The JWs
> finally caved in a few years ago and changed that policy. While they are still
> conscientious objectors, they can ask for alternate work now. I joined the JWs
> after my military service.
>
Why did they let you join? You said, they wanted a squeaky clean
organization. Allowing a license killer among their midst would have
been a no no? right?
> >> ::: You were there with him, so you know he
> >> killed people there? You saw him kill them?
>
> >What did he do in Nam, wash latrines?
>
> >::: If you were a REAL man you would know what
> >went on there. You wouldn't have to guess and
> >make such inane statements. Not all Americans
> >there were out in the Jungles.
>
> Ninety percent were support personnel.
>
To assist in killing people. So did you break the record in gook
killings? Did you leave any child behind with your genetic material so
she can be abised for not being 100% gook?
> >>And why keep repeating a racist comment?
>
> >What racist comment. I was using Nam Vet speak.
>
> No, you were insinuating that I molested children and raped 'gooks.' If there
> was one thing that I could ever guarantee in this world it's that you would
> never say that to me face to face.
No, and you know that. I was pointing out the fact that your past no
matter what, did not have an effect for you to be baptized as a JW. As
for saying in your face of course I would. And your reaction would
land you in Jail did you not read MM reply? he he right?. By your
standards, these are the question an Elder should have asked you
before being baptized right? Bring out your dirty past in the Open,
then tell you you have no position in God's Kingdom, because God's
Kingdom don't allow Gook killers. And then inform everyone in the
congregation to keep an eye on you, being a Nam Vet, you may go
bonkers with a flash back. To keep the congregation children away from
you, in one of those flash backs, you would see little gooks that need
to be killed. I am sure you would accept those condition to be part of
a squeaky clean organization huh Fred?
Those are standards you want to yo apply not me. How do you feel now
Gook Killer? Proud of yourself?
Greegor
45 Polymath-Z Sep 2
46 Parrish *~ Sep 2
47 Polymath-Z Sep 2
48 Kent Wills Sep 3
49 Kent Wills Sep 3
50 Kent Wills Sep 3
Do you think Kent is more obsessed than Carol?
Greegor
LOL
Shushaku
Not really. Carol use about 4 remailers and various socks, you would
have to straight to ARJW to see the entirety of her kookness.
Bob L. Head
> Someone needs to point them to the truth about
http://5magazine.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/img_0271.jpg
http://5magazine.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/25484174_e5f642f7741.jpg
Annointed Remnant
Shushaku says...
>
>On Sep 3, 9:56=A0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <j3rdib$2s...@dont-email.me>, Parrish *~ says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >"Polymath-Z" <jabriol2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>.
>> >On Sep 2, 11:13 am, "Parrish *~" <Par...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> >> "Polymath-Z" <jabriol2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>...
>> >> On Sep 2, 9:13 am, "Parrish *~" <Par...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > "Greegor" <greego...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>...
>> >> > On Sep 1, 9:55 pm, "Parrish *~" <Par...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > Antonio donned the language of the time
>> >> > to ask a 'Nam Vet some hostile questions.
>> >> > That does NOT mean that Antonio goes
>> >> > around using that slur in general.
>>
>> >> > ::: And you know this how? You live with him
>> >> > and follow him 24 hrs a day so feel you can
>> >> > speak for him? What gives him the right to
>> >> > ask "hostile" questions of a vet? Whose
>> >> > business is it what the man did in the service
>> >> > 30 years ago? He was drafted, he went... end
>> >> > of story.
>>
>> Antonio asked if I had molested children or
>> raped 'gooks' or killed anyone.
>
>OH no you use the term "gook" that make you a
>racist in Carol's eyes.
You can't stop being a jerk, can you?
>> This is just a variation of the old 'baby
>> killer' accusations that American Vietnam
>> veterans had to endure for two decades or
>> so. First off, no one but little children
>> or adult retards would ask a veteran if
>> he killed anyone.
>
>Being a Vet makes you an exception?
It does unless you're a retarded cretin.
>But the question did bother you.
No, Buttercup. It doesn't bother me. I am quite comfortable in my skin. The
question only demonstrates that you're a retarded cretin.
>I am sure it would have bothered you
>the day they ask you the baptism
>question right? Did they ask you
>Fred? did any Elder ask you to
>confess to your war crimes? all your
>sexual encounters with possible
>minors before baptism? Adultery?
>Drug use?
War crimes. eh? You forgot baby killer. I didn't commit any war crimes and
neither did 99.99 % of American servicemen in Vietnam. You're a little late
with the accusations, aren't you, buttercup? That flower in your hair must be
pretty wilted by now.
>> Secondly, the generation who accused
>> us of being baby killers has long
>> since grown up and have stopped repeating
>> those lies. =A0I was Airborne infantry
>> and have several medals and badges
>> awarded to me by the Department of the
>> Army.
>
>For killing people. the Army does that.
What prevented you from maturing, Antonio? You're a little child in an adult's
skin.
>> In those days JWs did go to prison for
>> refusing to be drafted. I have worked with
>> individuals who were also conscientious
>> objectors who worked in hospitals or the
>> US Forest Service in lieu of the military,
>> but the JWs couldn't even do that. What a
>> waste of two years. At least those who
>> worked was a benefit to our society, but
>> the JWs sentenced to prison were a drain
>> on our society. The JWs finally caved in
>> a few years ago and changed that policy.
>> While they are still conscientious
>> objectors, they can ask for alternate
>> work now. I joined the JWs after my
>> military service.
>>
>
>Why did they let you join? You said, they
>wanted a squeaky clean organization.
>Allowing a license killer among their
>midst would have been a no no? right?
Our society admires veterans who contribute to our country. They don't admire
little cowards like you who threaten women.
>> >> ::: You were there with him, so you know he
>> >> killed people there? You saw him kill them?
>>
>> >What did he do in Nam, wash latrines?
>>
>> >::: If you were a REAL man you would know what
>> >went on there. =A0You wouldn't have to guess and
>> >make such inane statements. =A0Not all Americans
>> >there were out in the Jungles.
>>
>> Ninety percent were support personnel.
>
>To assist in killing people. So did you break
>the record in gook killings? Did you leave any
>child behind with your genetic material so
>she can be abised for not being 100% gook?
You should go down to the nearest VFW hall and voice your opinions openly. Our
constitution does grant you that right, Buttercup.
>> >>And why keep repeating a racist comment?
>>
>> >What racist comment. I was using Nam Vet speak.
>>
>> No, you were insinuating that I molested
>> children and raped 'gooks.' If there was one
>> thing that I could ever guarantee in this world
>> it's that you would never say that to me face
>> to face.
>
>No, and you know that.
Correct. You would not. You wouldn't have the balls. At least not for long.
Greegor
Is it true that you left JW's after being a member for 30 years?
How did you become disgruntled and end
up allied with Carol and her hate campaign against JW's?
Did you get dragged into JW's by an ex wife or something?
Did you get expelled by JW's?
You wouldn't have needed to commit atrocities
for JW's to see it as sin, right?
Even "clean" battlefied kills would be seen
as very bad by JW's, right?
Did they make you owe up to all past sins
when you became a JW?
Do YOU condone this stuff where Carol
sent letters to Antonio's elders trying
to stir up trouble?
Are you supportive of Carol's hate campaign
against JW's, even if she has to LIE to do it?
Bob L. Head
CAREFUL, YOU'RE PLAYING INTO KENT'S HANDS - HE NEEDS THE JW'S TO ACT AS A
DIVERSION FROM HIS CRIMINAL PAST.
Shushaku
wrote:
> In article <eaf6e62d-1fa2-4639-a688-832671b4d...@l4g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
> Shushaku says...
>
>
>
>
> >> Antonio asked if I had molested children or
> >> raped 'gooks' or killed anyone.
>
> >OH no you use the term "gook" that make you a
> >racist in Carol's eyes.
>
> You can't stop being a jerk, can you?
>
According to you all JW's are jerks eh?
> >> This is just a variation of the old 'baby
> >> killer' accusations that American Vietnam
> >> veterans had to endure for two decades or
> >> so. First off, no one but little children
> >> or adult retards would ask a veteran if
> >> he killed anyone.
>
> >Being a Vet makes you an exception?
>
> It does unless you're a retarded cretin.
>
> >But the question did bother you.
>
> No, Buttercup. It doesn't bother me. I am quite comfortable in my skin. The
> question only demonstrates that you're a retarded cretin.
yeah
>
> >I am sure it would have bothered you
> >the day they ask you the baptism
> >question right? Did they ask you
> >Fred? did any Elder ask you to
> >confess to your war crimes? all your
> >sexual encounters with possible
> >minors before baptism? Adultery?
> >Drug use?
>
> War crimes. eh? You forgot baby killer. I didn't commit any war crimes and
> neither did 99.99 % of American servicemen in Vietnam. You're a little late
> with the accusations, aren't you, buttercup? That flower in your hair must be
> pretty wilted by now.
>
Went over you head, I expected as much.
> >> Secondly, the generation who accused
> >> us of being baby killers has long
> >> since grown up and have stopped repeating
> >> those lies. =A0I was Airborne infantry
> >> and have several medals and badges
> >> awarded to me by the Department of the
> >> Army.
>
> >For killing people. the Army does that.
>
> What prevented you from maturing, Antonio? You're a little child in an adult's
> skin.
>
First I was a horrid piece of Crap now I am a child. are children crap
in your eyes?
>
>
>
> >Why did they let you join? You said, they
> >wanted a squeaky clean organization.
> >Allowing a license killer among their
> >midst would have been a no no? right?
>
> Our society admires veterans who contribute to our country. They don't admire
> little cowards like you who threaten women.
>
>
What society, the WatchTower?
>
The gook you killed had no children? No wives? I guess that how you
contributed?
>
>
>
> >> >> ::: You were there with him, so you know he
> >> >> killed people there? You saw him kill them?
>
> >> >What did he do in Nam, wash latrines?
>
> >> >::: If you were a REAL man you would know what
> >> >went on there. =A0You wouldn't have to guess and
> >> >make such inane statements. =A0Not all Americans
> >> >there were out in the Jungles.
>
> >> Ninety percent were support personnel.
>
> >To assist in killing people. So did you break
> >the record in gook killings? Did you leave any
> >child behind with your genetic material so
> >she can be abised for not being 100% gook?
>
> You should go down to the nearest VFW hall and voice your opinions openly. Our
> constitution does grant you that right, Buttercup.
>
I do. with Magazines in hand.
> >> >>And why keep repeating a racist comment?
>
> >> >What racist comment. I was using Nam Vet speak.
>
> >> No, you were insinuating that I molested
> >> children and raped 'gooks.' If there was one
> >> thing that I could ever guarantee in this world
> >> it's that you would never say that to me face
> >> to face.
>
> >No, and you know that.
>
> Correct. You would not. You wouldn't have the balls. At least not for long.
yeah...
Ips-Switch
Witchtower Gazette
Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 2:42 pm
Jabriol's taunt of Chris Dubose did not occur on Usenet, but on
a Yahoo forum named CreationEvolve. Here is the material:
On June 1, 2000, "Truthseeker" (Chris Dubose) wrote:
Quote:
I'm not sure why, but Sepideh seriously wants me to kill
myself, and has
not only told me to please kill myself,but has blocked me from
her email,
has put me on permanent ignore on her ICQ, and has killfiled me
from
newsgroups.
And I don't even know exactly why. In other words, she's
completely
abandoned me like everybody else and wishes I would stop
existing on the
face of the earth.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Antonio" (Santana a.k.a. "JABRIOL" the devout JEHOVAH'S
WITNESS) replied:
Do not feel Bad, You see, her evolutionary instincts as
indicated you as
not a good canditate for the human species. If you belive in the
theory of
of evolution, then you belive that your desire to kill yourself
is purely
normal.
The director of natural selection Mr. Chance may have directed
your innard
to blow away yourself in some sort of violent act. This is not
your fault
since human emotions and behaviour is just another mere
Mechanism to
enhace survival of the species. I do not seriously belive that
anyone one
wants you to kill yourself. Howevewer Natural selection may want
you to to
do so for the good of humanity. I personaly do not subscribe to
evolution
as the origin of man. And I do fight my self destructive ways..
However if
you do belive in evolution, and that man is here, but gone
tomorrow.. then
follow your instincts.. go in style, make the headline, like
those
columbine high kids did. But if you belive you are much more
than the
product of two human to satify nature need to procreate. there
is a better
way..
Read the Bible.
A few months later, Chris Dubose committed suicide on a railway
track. jabriol laughed and gloated and preened over the death
he encouraged. Jabriol's excitment was felt right through one's
monitor. He posted gruesome descriptions of the death to
torture Cynthia, the deceased man's mother.
Ips-Switch
"Shushaku" <jabri...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:04e4b63b-3ea0-4721...@r21g2000yqr.googlegroups.com...
Not really. Carol use about 4 remailers and various socks, you would
have to straight to ARJW to see the entirety of her kookness.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Witchtower Gazette posted by: (PB)
Parrish *~
nothing but the usual TROLL nonsence.....
Thank you for your reply but I don't bother trying to communicate with
common trolls.
So have a nice life and I hope you get well some day.
Bye bye! :)
Ips-Switch
so he cannot claim he did not write this after he removes it from Google:
The post below was posted by Antonio L Santana
of the
Spanish Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
South Camden Kingdom Hall
1584 8th Street
Camden NJ 08104
Phone: (856)365-0655
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claim he never wrote it.
The post below was posted by Antonio L Santana
of the
Spanish Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
South Camden Kingdom Hall
1584 8th Street
Camden NJ 08104
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Layfon Efelis
> "Greegor" <greego...@gmail.com> wrote in message
In other words, she kill filed you, because she is a coward. the Dummy
reposted her own post where
she was caught in a Lie.
You elevated to my status, I am not a troll but Carol is a Kook.
Parrish *~
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> At one time, not so long ago, Polymath-Z <jabri...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>Now you know why she uses remailers and socks, So plastic bag man cant
>>pay her a visit.
>
> When has Carol done either?
> BTW, nice threat, stupid!
~~~~~~~~~~~~
See how Antonio/Jabriol proves himself a pathological liar over and over
again? Everyone knows the few nyms I use, none are socks. I don't try and
hide who I am because I have no need to hide. As for remailers, there are
no posts here on these NGs from remailers as he's claiming. At least none
that my NSPs are picking up. He's "hallucinating" posts again that do not
exist on these groups. He's done it before. :-D
--
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>
> It isn't your beliefs that are the problem, Jabbers. It's your
> antisocial behavior (i.e. your incessant trolling), and an atheist
> might write to your church leaders in the hope they might be able to
> put a stop to it.
>
> Of course, that's probably a vain hope, since a psychopath like you
> isn't going to care what your church elders say in any case.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Greegor
> This was posted by Antonio L Santana-Candia/Jabriol. All headers included
> so he cannot claim he did not write this after he removes it from Google:
>
> The post below was posted by Antonio L Santana
> of the
> Spanish Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
> South Camden Kingdom Hall
> 1584 8th Street
> Camden NJ 08104
> Phone: (856)365-0655
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Antonio:
Please cease the part of your arguments
that slam AR simply for being a 'Nam vet.
You got a PASS from me for using that
racial epithet to ask questions because
it was as you said, 'Nam vet speak.
I EVEN think you had some good points
about a soldier who performed their duty
and how that clashes with the JW culture.
But you crossed into presuming that all
'Nam vets are baby killers etc.
I respect most veterans which is easy
considering that so MANY relatives and
ancestors of mine are veterans.
I ask YOU because Carol and Fred apparently
won't answer me about how their seething
hatred of JW's got started. Mad Monkey
suggested they are disgruntled former JW's.
Do you have any other insight into what
started them out on this anti-JW hate campaign?
Henry The IIV
"Shushaku" <jabri...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Greegor
> > >> > to ask a 'Nam Vet some hostile questions.
> > >> > That does NOT mean that Antonio goes
> > >> > around using that slur in general.
>
> > >> > ::: And you know this how? You live with him
> > >> > and follow him 24 hrs a day so feel you can
> > >> > speak for him? What gives him the right to
> > >> > ask "hostile" questions of a vet? Whose
> > >> > business is it what the man did in the service
> > >> > 30 years ago? He was drafted, he went... end
> > >> > of story.
>
> > Antonio asked if I had molested children or raped 'gooks' or killed anyone.
> OH no you use the term "gook" that make you a racist in Carol's eyes.
I suspect Carol will consider CONTEXT for her allies,
but ignore CONTEXT where it helps her trash an opponent.
> > This is just a variation of the old 'baby killer' accusations that American
> > Vietnam veterans had to endure for two decades or so. First off, no one but
> > little children or adult retards would ask a veteran if he killed anyone.
I would ask just to avoid the obvious presumption.
That's not childish or retarded, AR.
> Being a Vet makes you an exception? But the question did bother you.
> I am sure it would have bothered you the day they ask you the baptism
> question right? Did they ask you Fred? did any Elder ask you to
> confess to your war crimes? all your sexual encounters with possible
> minors before baptism? Adultery? Drug use?
> You Know former elder why I asked you what I did.
Are you refusing to answer these questions, AR?
> > Secondly, the generation who accused us of being baby killers has long since
> > grown up and have stopped repeating those lies.
Did you seriously mean to accuse an entire generation
of accusing you of such? As if there was some
amazing unity there, rather than a lot of chaos?
> I was Airborne infantry and have several medals
> and badges awarded to me by the Department of the Army.
> For killing people. the Army does that.
>
> > >> AR was drafted, and he told you this. So
> > >> that gave him the right to kill gooks. real
> > >> JW would refuse and go to jail.
>
> > Actually, I volunteered.
> > That gave me the right to fight for my country.
> So we see Carol lies again. AR caught you RED HANDED in a lie about
> him. You have just demonstrated how easy it is for you to lie and
> fabricate stories.
>
> In
>
> > those days JWs did go to prison for refusing to be drafted. I have worked with
> > individuals who were also conscientious objectors who worked in hospitals or the
> > US Forest Service in lieu of the military, but the JWs couldn't even do that.
> > What a waste of two years. At least those who worked was a benefit to our
> > society, but the JWs sentenced to prison were a drain on our society. The JWs
> > finally caved in a few years ago and changed that policy. While they are still
> > conscientious objectors, they can ask for alternate work now. I joined the JWs
> > after my military service.
>
> Why did they let you join? You said, they wanted a squeaky clean
> organization. Allowing a license killer among their midst would have
> been a no no? right?
Though clumsy and needlessly hostile, the
questions are worthwhile, AR.
> > >> ::: You were there with him, so you know he
> > >> killed people there? You saw him kill them?
>
> > >What did he do in Nam, wash latrines?
>
> > >::: If you were a REAL man you would know what
> > >went on there. You wouldn't have to guess and
> > >make such inane statements. Not all Americans
> > >there were out in the Jungles.
>
> > Ninety percent were support personnel.
>
> To assist in killing people. So did you break the record in gook
> killings? Did you leave any child behind with your genetic material so
> she can be abised for not being 100% gook?
Too hostile.
> > >>And why keep repeating a racist comment?
>
> > >What racist comment. I was using Nam Vet speak.
> > No, you were insinuating that I molested children and raped 'gooks.' If there
> > was one thing that I could ever guarantee in this world it's that you would
> > never say that to me face to face.
> No, and you know that. I was pointing out the fact that your past no
> matter what, did not have an effect for you to be baptized as a JW.
Good point but to what end?
> As
> for saying in your face of course I would. And your reaction would
> land you in Jail did you not read MM reply? he he right?. By your
> standards, these are the question an Elder should have asked you
> before being baptized right?
> Bring out your dirty past in the Open,
> then tell you you have no position in God's Kingdom, because God's
> Kingdom don't allow Gook killers.
JW's redeem sinners, right?
But wait, AR, aren't you a former
JW ELDER who turned against JW's?
Is that right, AR??
Antonio you are very hostile for somebody
who is supposed to be an active JW.
> And then inform everyone in the
> congregation to keep an eye on you, being a Nam Vet, you may go
> bonkers with a flash back. To keep the congregation children away from
> you, in one of those flash backs, you would see little gooks that need
> to be killed. I am sure you would accept those condition to be part of
> a squeaky clean organization huh Fred?
Why are you lashing out with so much hostility, Antonio?
Has AR beat you up a lot in the past or what?
Isn't this much hostility doing JW's everywhere
a disservice, Antonio??
> Those are standards you want to yo apply not me. How do you feel now
> Gook Killer? Proud of yourself?
Trying to hoist AR ( Fred ) by his own petard?
Is your hostility really a response to attacks
from Carol and other anti-JW's, Antonio?
Using multiple ID's is not working in your favor, Antonio.
Did you think it was helping Carol?
Greegor
Good point. Thanks Antonio.
Why does Carol think that using a whole array
of sock identities helps her?
Since both of you use various sock identities
why does she think she has a "leg to stand on"
when she complains that you use sock ID's, Antonio?
If she didn't use sock ID's HERSELF
then her complaint might make some sense,
but why gripe about you doing something
she does herself??
Carol announces your sock ID's as if she
has caught you at a criminal act, even
though she does the same thing.
Carol KillFiling me is funny. Reminds me of the saying:
"If You Put Your Fingers In Your Ears And Sing "La La La!" Very
Loudly..."
or maybe it was some skit on SNL where I saw it.
Didn't Pee Wee Herman do that too?
Greegor
> DIVERSION FROM HIS CRIMINAL PAST.
Kent is the world's most famous garage burglary felon.
I love that Carol has rejected my warnings
about Kent's record and sidled up
REAL CLOSE to him.
When she finds out the truth about Kent's
FELONIES and misd she might hate Kent
even more than his current opponents, after
realizing she fell for Kent's con.
The longer it takes her the more angry at Kent
she will be when she does accept the
verifiable truth about Kent's felonies and misd.
I am quite happy with how nutcase Kent and Moe
aligned with nutcase Carol and vice versa.
Antonio seems too hostile for his own good
but then I suspect he's used to countering
the usual JOE-JOB garbage from Carol.
(And AR??) He does ask some good questions.
I like Mad Monkey's disarming sense of humor
and he did figure out Kent eventually.
The people in the JW feud group are more
interesting than KentMoe by far.
Carol is a lot like Moe, but her hate campaign
has only been burning for 15 years where
Maureen's has been going for 26 years.
They both will lie their asses off to help
their hate campaign.
I think the chances of KentMoe walking away
from the JW feud group are nil, partly because
Carol chose NOT to believe the online court
docket links and information.
I question whether Annointed Remnant
will buy Kent's BS, despite the convenience.
Bob L. Head: Do you think KentMoe could
ignore such an opportunity?
Greegor
> "Greegor" <greego...@gmail.com> wrote in message
"If You Put Your Fingers In Your Ears And Sing "La La La!" Very
Loudly..."
Layfon Efelis
Hostility? Maybe. But It serves a purpose. They expect a JW to be a
mind-controlled drone, unable to think for themselves. They are up to
letter writing Campaign as well, and are enticing other to write. If
you think I am hostile now as a JW. Imagine what would happen if what
they desire came true.
Ghent
On Sep 4, 2:54 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 3, 10:29 am, Shushaku <jabriol2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 3, 11:16 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > 44 Parrish *~ Sep 2
> > > 45 Polymath-Z Sep 2
> > > 46 Parrish *~ Sep 2
> > > 47 Polymath-Z Sep 2
> > > 48 Kent Wills Sep 3
> > > 49 Kent Wills Sep 3
> > > 50 Kent Wills Sep 3
>
> > > Do you think Kent is more obsessed than Carol?
>
> > Not really. Carol use about 4 remailers and various socks, you would
> > have to straight to ARJW to see the entirety of her kookness.
>
> Good point. Thanks Antonio.
>
> Why does Carol think that using a whole array
> of sock identities helps her?
>
take a look:
146 Apostate Aug 26
Re: Women deserved to be raped say creationists = "Fianchetto" is a
JABRIOL sock
147 Parrish *~ Sep 4
Re: Women deserved to be raped say creationists = "Fianchetto" is
Antonio L Santana-Candia/Jabriol
148 Parrish *~ Sep 4
Re: Women deserved to be raped say creationists = "Fianchetto" is a
sexual deviant, pervert, depraved....
149 Parrish *~ Sep 4
Re: Women deserved to be raped say creationists = "Fianchetto" is a
JABRIOL sock
150 <o)))))>{ Sep 4
Re: Women deserved to be raped says Antonio L Santana-Candia/Jabriol
151 <o)))))>{ Sep 4
Re: Antonio admits he is a castrated coward was Re: ANTONIO confesses
to being a KoOk and LoOn.
18 I.B. Olde Sep 4
Re: Antonio pays more attention to Carol and MadMonkey, his new love,
then to his own wife
4 Parrish *~ Sep 4
> Since both of you use various sock identities
> why does she think she has a "leg to stand on"
> when she complains that you use sock ID's, Antonio?
>
I change the nick on google, just to annoy her and to make her to do
more work. She is a marionette, and you can pull her strings easy.
However what she does is more sinister. Because she doesn't have a
life she collects every post anyone makes against her, she writes an
attack reply, and wait for a few weeks. She then edits the reply
change her socks again and the reposts the replies of her previous
socks to make the claim, that others are supporting her point of view.
It her MO, she has done this on MHA and Herbs groups in the past as
well as rec.ponds When she lost her HOTN account because of spamming
and her husband downloading porn and was outted, she with the
government stipend got various NSP as well. So she will post a few
post from each NSP and it would not appear that she spamming or
harassing people. She also use anonymous remailers to cover her
tracks. Though thru certain tools. It easy to know where she is
writing from.
> If she didn't use sock ID's HERSELF
> then her complaint might make some sense,
> but why gripe about you doing something
> she does herself??
>
> Carol announces your sock ID's as if she
> has caught you at a criminal act, even
> though she does the same thing.
>
Carol mission is a hate war against JW's so the rules that apply to a
JW in her mind, does not apply to her. AR and her wrote letters to my
congregation to denounce my "bad behaviour or conduct unbecoming a JW
in good standing"
They have done this because, they don't have the legal recourse of
accusing me of any criminal acts here on American soil. If you have
read Carol cut-paste re-posts she peppered them with "Jabriol
Criminal activities" or "Jabriol threaten old harmless couple",
Jabriol encouraged young man to commit suicide". Jabriol rapes
daughter and toss child and grand child into the street".
After communicating with both police depts of Rutherford County where
she lives and Camden Police dept, they deemed her as a loon. I had to
get a good conduct certificate to demonstrate to the elders at the
time, I was never convicted of any child molestation or domestic abuse
laws as she has claimed, and her bogud police report was also
dimissed...so much from the advice of John Baker a retired NYPD cop
who is a kook atheist.
Hence all she has left is the authorities within the congregation she
hates most. the local BOE. And While AR written to the Branch of JW in
NYC, the matter will just be referred to the local BOE, because Carol
and him wrote to them, they are fully aware and most likely reading
Usenet from time to time, and I have already made full disclousre of
what I do.
In Short from Carol mind, she can lie, and do al sort of evil things,
but me as a JW should take thing lying down and go away like any good
perceived JW should. ...not happening...
And since they cause me greif in the real world you can understand my
hostility and Carol scheduled appointment with the Platic Bag Man,
soon to appear in a theater close to you.
> Carol KillFiling me is funny. Reminds me of the saying:
> "If You Put Your Fingers In Your Ears And Sing "La La La!" Very
> Loudly..."
> or maybe it was some skit on SNL where I saw it.
> Didn't Pee Wee Herman do that too?
yup
Annointed Remnant
Greegor says...
>
>
>Antonio:
>
>Please cease the part of your arguments
>that slam AR simply for being a 'Nam vet.
>
>You got a PASS from me for using that
>racial epithet to ask questions because
>it was as you said, 'Nam vet speak.
>
>I EVEN think you had some good points
>about a soldier who performed their duty
>and how that clashes with the JW culture.
>
>But you crossed into presuming that all
>'Nam vets are baby killers etc.
>
>I respect most veterans which is easy
>considering that so MANY relatives and
>ancestors of mine are veterans.
>
>I ask YOU because Carol and Fred apparently
>won't answer me about how their seething
>hatred of JW's got started. Mad Monkey
>suggested they are disgruntled former JW's.
>
>Do you have any other insight into what
>started them out on this anti-JW hate campaign?
Speaking for myself, I don't hate JWs; I hate the organization. They have
ruined countless lives and caused many to commit suicide. The organization has
many cult characteristics. In fact they prefer to call themselves an
organization rather than a religion. Several years ago, they had a slogan,
"Religion is a Snare and a Racket," in an attempt to separate themselves from
all other Christian religions, which they call Christendom.
All JWs are required to be loyal to the 'organization.' They say they worship
their God, Jehovah, yet they call themselves, Christians. True Christians
worship the Christ; JWs do not. They believe that Christ is a separate, lessor
God. This is an Arianistic belief that is separate from all Trinitarian
Christians.
The JW cult further separates itself by calling their leaders a governing body,
a term used in corporations - not religions. They even say early Christian
leaders who met in Jerusalem was called a governing body, which term appears no
where except in their own version of the Bible.
The governing body is an autocratic group of rulers who, through their
representatives, enforce hundreds of rules. For example, a JW can be
disfellowshipped for attending a birthday party.
Annointed Remnant
Greegor says...
>
>> > >> > Antonio donned the language of the time
>> > >> > to ask a 'Nam Vet some hostile questions.
>> > >> > That does NOT mean that Antonio goes
>> > >> > around using that slur in general.
>>
>> > >> > ::: And you know this how? You live with him
>> > >> > and follow him 24 hrs a day so feel you can
>> > >> > speak for him? What gives him the right to
>> > >> > ask "hostile" questions of a vet? Whose
>> > >> > business is it what the man did in the service
>> > >> > 30 years ago? He was drafted, he went... end
>> > >> > of story.
>>
>> > Antonio asked if I had molested children or raped 'gooks' or killed anyone.
>
>> OH no you use the term "gook" that make you a racist in Carol's eyes.
>
>I suspect Carol will consider CONTEXT for her allies,
>but ignore CONTEXT where it helps her trash an opponent.
>
>> > This is just a variation of the old 'baby killer' accusations that American
>>> Vietnam veterans had to endure for two decades or so. First off, no one but
>> > little children or adult retards would ask a veteran if he killed anyone.
>
>I would ask just to avoid the obvious presumption.
>
>That's not childish or retarded, AR.
That's been my experience.
>> Being a Vet makes you an exception? But the question did bother you.
>> I am sure it would have bothered you the day they ask you the baptism
>> question right? Did they ask you Fred? did any Elder ask you to
>> confess to your war crimes? all your sexual encounters with possible
>> minors before baptism? Adultery? Drug use?
>> You Know former elder why I asked you what I did.
>
>Are you refusing to answer these questions, AR?
Antonio is comparing a decorated vet with a serial killer. Do you agree with
that comparison?
>>> Secondly, the generation who accused us of being baby killers has long since
>> > grown up and have stopped repeating those lies.
>
>Did you seriously mean to accuse an entire generation
>of accusing you of such? As if there was some
>amazing unity there, rather than a lot of chaos?
It wasn't the 'entire' generation; it was the counterculture. There most
certainly was unity. I lived through it, but for you there are history books
you can brush up on.
Worthwhile to whom? Do you know any Christian church that calls military
veterans, serial killers?
>> > >> ::: You were there with him, so you know he
>> > >> killed people there? You saw him kill them?
>>
>> > >What did he do in Nam, wash latrines?
>>
>> > >::: If you were a REAL man you would know what
>> > >went on there. You wouldn't have to guess and
>> > >make such inane statements. Not all Americans
>> > >there were out in the Jungles.
>>
>> > Ninety percent were support personnel.
>>
>> To assist in killing people. So did you break the record in gook
>> killings? Did you leave any child behind with your genetic material so
>> she can be abised for not being 100% gook?
>
>Too hostile.
>
>> > >>And why keep repeating a racist comment?
>>
>> > >What racist comment. I was using Nam Vet speak.
>
>
>>> No, you were insinuating that I molested children and raped 'gooks.' If there
>> > was one thing that I could ever guarantee in this world it's that you would
>> > never say that to me face to face.
>
>> No, and you know that. I was pointing out the fact that your past no
>> matter what, did not have an effect for you to be baptized as a JW.
>
>Good point but to what end?
The guy is riddled with guilt. You can talk about apples and he will divert the
discussion to child molestation or rape or murder. There is only one reason I
can think of why he is so possessed with such topics and why he believes those
who are guilty of such crimes should not only go unpunished but be protected by
his church elders.
>> As
>> for saying in your face of course I would. And your reaction would
>> land you in Jail did you not read MM reply? he he right?. By your
>> standards, these are the question an Elder should have asked you
>> before being baptized right?
>
>
>> Bring out your dirty past in the Open,
>> then tell you you have no position in God's Kingdom, because God's
>> Kingdom don't allow Gook killers.
>
>JW's redeem sinners, right?
>But wait, AR, aren't you a former
>JW ELDER who turned against JW's?
>Is that right, AR??
Firstly, I was never an elder, nor have I ever said that I was. Secondly, it is
most appropriate to expose a dangerous cult.
>Antonio you are very hostile for somebody
>who is supposed to be an active JW.
In the 30 years as a JW, I never met any JW who acted like him. I have known
dozens of nice people who got disfellowshipped for idiotic reasons, yet Antonio
continues unabated?
>> And then inform everyone in the
>> congregation to keep an eye on you, being a Nam Vet, you may go
>> bonkers with a flash back. To keep the congregation children away from
>> you, in one of those flash backs, you would see little gooks that need
>> to be killed. I am sure you would accept those condition to be part of
>> a squeaky clean organization huh Fred?
>
>Why are you lashing out with so much hostility, Antonio?
>
>Has AR beat you up a lot in the past or what?
No. It's guilt. You can see the guilt oozing from his comments. Normal people
do not want child molesters and rapists to be protected.
Greegor
Are they married to each other?
> Jabriol encouraged young man to commit suicide". Jabriol rapes
> daughter and toss child and grand child into the street".
>
> After communicating with both police depts of Rutherford County where
> she lives and Camden Police dept, they deemed her as a loon. I had to
> get a good conduct certificate to demonstrate to the elders at the
> time, I was never convicted of any child molestation or domestic abuse
> laws as she has claimed, and her bogud police report was also
> dimissed...so much from the advice of John Baker a retired NYPD cop
> who is a kook atheist.
>
> Hence all she has left is the authorities within the congregation she
> hates most. the local BOE. And While AR written to the Branch of JW in
> NYC, the matter will just be referred to the local BOE, because Carol
> and him wrote to them, they are fully aware and most likely reading
> Usenet from time to time, and I have already made full disclousre of
> what I do.
>
> In Short from Carol mind, she can lie, and do al sort of evil things,
> but me as a JW should take thing lying down and go away like any good
> perceived JW should. ...not happening...
>
> And since they cause me greif in the real world you can understand my
> hostility and Carol scheduled appointment with the Platic Bag Man,
> soon to appear in a theater close to you.
LOL
Bob L. Head
Never in a million years.
Annointed Remnant
Ghent says...
>
>AR and her wrote letters to my congregation
>to denounce my "bad behaviour or conduct
>unbecoming a JW in good standing"
>
>They have done this because, they don't
>have the legal recourse of accusing me of
>any criminal acts here on American soil.
I never accused you of any criminal acts, cretin. I said that JWs could not do
what you are doing. You said they could and even gave me your congregation's
address so I could write to them. I took you up on your dare and now you are
whining like a little whipped pup.
>And While AR written to the Branch of JW
>in NYC, the matter will just be referred
>to the local BOE, because Carol and him
>wrote to them, they are fully aware and
>most likely reading Usenet from time to
>time, and I have already made full
>disclousre of what I do.
Full disclosure? You're a lying sack of shit. If you get disfellowshipped it
is because of your actions, so stop whining.
Greegor
wrote:
> In article <2649444a-0e32-41fd-afbd-e0c0e2ef3...@k15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> Greegor says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> > >> > Antonio donned the language of the time
> >> > >> > to ask a 'Nam Vet some hostile questions.
> >> > >> > That does NOT mean that Antonio goes
> >> > >> > around using that slur in general.
>
> >> > >> > ::: And you know this how? You live with him
> >> > >> > and follow him 24 hrs a day so feel you can
> >> > >> > speak for him? What gives him the right to
> >> > >> > ask "hostile" questions of a vet? Whose
> >> > >> > business is it what the man did in the service
> >> > >> > 30 years ago? He was drafted, he went... end
> >> > >> > of story.
>
> >> > Antonio asked if I had molested children or raped 'gooks' or killed anyone.
>
> >> OH no you use the term "gook" that make you a racist in Carol's eyes.
>
> >I suspect Carol will consider CONTEXT for her allies,
> >but ignore CONTEXT where it helps her trash an opponent.
>
> >> > This is just a variation of the old 'baby killer' accusations that American
> >>> Vietnam veterans had to endure for two decades or so. First off, no one but
> >> > little children or adult retards would ask a veteran if he killed anyone.
>
> >I would ask just to avoid the obvious presumption.
>
> >That's not childish or retarded, AR.
>
> That's been my experience.
Perhaps you should get out more.
> >> Being a Vet makes you an exception? But the question did bother you.
> >> I am sure it would have bothered you the day they ask you the baptism
> >> question right? Did they ask you Fred? did any Elder ask you to
> >> confess to your war crimes? all your sexual encounters with possible
> >> minors before baptism? Adultery? Drug use?
> >> You Know former elder why I asked you what I did.
>
> >Are you refusing to answer these questions, AR?
Are there limits to what kind of past the
JW's will forgive when you "come to Jesus"
with them?
AR > Antonio is comparing a decorated vet with a serial killer.
AR > Do you agree with that comparison?
You could have answered individual questions.
I don't see you doing any mea culpas for ANYTHING.
Why is that, AR?
Is it true that you tried Police and legal action?
Is it true that you tried writing to Antonio's
JW ELDERS?
How did you go from being an ELDER
in the JW's to an anti-JW hate campaign?
AR > Secondly, the generation who accused
AR > us of being baby killers has long since
AR > grown up and have stopped repeating those lies.
G > Did you seriously mean to accuse an entire generation
G > of accusing you of such? As if there was some
G > amazing unity there, rather than a lot of chaos?
AR > It wasn't the 'entire' generation; it was the
AR > counterculture.
You think there was only one?
AR > There most certainly was unity. I lived
AR > through it, but for you there are history
AR > books you can brush up on.
How old are you? How old do you think I am, AR?
Yes.
Amish, Quakers, possibly Jehovah's Witness?
> >> > >> ::: You were there with him, so you know he
> >> > >> killed people there? You saw him kill them?
>
> >> > >What did he do in Nam, wash latrines?
>
> >> > >::: If you were a REAL man you would know what
> >> > >went on there. You wouldn't have to guess and
> >> > >make such inane statements. Not all Americans
> >> > >there were out in the Jungles.
>
> >> > Ninety percent were support personnel.
>
> >> To assist in killing people. So did you break the record in gook
> >> killings? Did you leave any child behind with your genetic material so
> >> she can be abised for not being 100% gook?
>
> >Too hostile.
>
> >> > >>And why keep repeating a racist comment?
>
> >> > >What racist comment. I was using Nam Vet speak.
>
> >>> No, you were insinuating that I molested children and raped 'gooks.' If there
> >> > was one thing that I could ever guarantee in this world it's that you would
> >> > never say that to me face to face.
> >> No, and you know that. I was pointing out the fact that your past no
> >> matter what, did not have an effect for you to be baptized as a JW.
>
> >Good point but to what end?
AR > The guy is riddled with guilt.
Whereas you pose as virginal, AR ?
> You can talk about apples and he will divert the
> discussion to child molestation or rape or murder.
What difference does it make, you don't
do any mea culpas for anything.
Pretending to be virginal and innocent of
everything doesn't work, AR.
AR > There is only one reason
This phrase is an automatic red flag, AR.
> I can think of why he is so possessed with
> such topics and why he believes those
> who are guilty of such crimes should not
> only go unpunished but be protected by
> his church elders.
Isn't this a variation on the IKYABWAI defense?
Got a link and quote to where Antonio said this?
> >> As
> >> for saying in your face of course I would. And your reaction would
> >> land you in Jail did you not read MM reply? he he right?. By your
> >> standards, these are the question an Elder should have asked you
> >> before being baptized right?
> >> Bring out your dirty past in the Open,
> >> then tell you you have no position in God's Kingdom, because God's
> >> Kingdom don't allow Gook killers.
>
> > JW's redeem sinners, right?
> > But wait, AR, aren't you a former
> > JW ELDER who turned against JW's?
> > Is that right, AR??
AR > Firstly, I was never an elder, nor have
AR > I ever said that I was. Secondly, it is
AR > most appropriate to expose a dangerous cult.
Like the Catholic Church, you mean?
Or the Lutherans! Yeah! They're evil! LOL
It's just WAY too easy to see THAT OTHER
denomination as evil and as a cult.
People like to spout off about how they hate the
JW's because of how they proselytize, going
door to door like salesmen.
Hating them is almost a sport, like griping
about commissary food or hating Barney.
It's almost a cheap shot to hate religion
on usenet with the mobs of raging atheists
bitching about every religion, and the
population of high functioning autism cases.
Do your wife (?) and you have a religion now?
Or have you joined the hoards of atheists?
Do you consider all religions to be cults
or do you have some magical formula
for determining which ones are cults
and which ones are not?
> >Antonio you are very hostile for somebody
> >who is supposed to be an active JW.
>
> In the 30 years as a JW, I never met any JW who acted like him.
Is it true that you tried going to the Police about Antonio?
Is it true that you wrote to his ELDERS?
> I have known dozens of nice people who got
> disfellowshipped for idiotic reasons, yet
> Antonio continues unabated?
What exactly were YOU disfellowshipped for, AR?
And your wife (?) ?
> >> And then inform everyone in the
> >> congregation to keep an eye on you, being a Nam Vet, you may go
> >> bonkers with a flash back. To keep the congregation children away from
> >> you, in one of those flash backs, you would see little gooks that need
> >> to be killed. I am sure you would accept those condition to be part of
> >> a squeaky clean organization huh Fred?
>
> >Why are you lashing out with so much hostility, Antonio?
>
> >Has AR beat you up a lot in the past or what?
>
> No. It's guilt. You can see the guilt oozing
> from his comments. Normal people
> do not want child molesters and rapists
> to be protected.
Then they should stop hiring child molesters
and rapists as state ""Child Protection""
caseworkers and stop allowing their perjury
and true child abuse to go unpunished for
state PR reasons.
Look up Geoffrey Rantz in the Colorado
Department of Corrections (prison) system.
Get a good look at his photo and his release date.
Rantz molested kids as a contractor through
a huge non profit working for the corrupt
state ""Child Protection"" agency here in
Cedar Rapids Iowa. He got caught and
they had enough evidence to criminally
CHARGE him, but the prosecutor dropped
the charges in exchange for him leaving the
state, to save the state a lot of PR embarassment.
So Rantz moved to Colorado Springs Colorado and
got a job as a Child Protection casewworker until
they caught him sexually molesting kids.
If the system had prosecuted him here like
they should have, he wouldn't have had
such amazing access to kids in Colorado.
The REAL child molesters gravitate toward
jobs as caseworkers, contractors, therapists,
sex abuse ""experts"" and even Judges and
foster contractors.
The system is so busy nit picking parents
for trivia like household clutter that they're
just too busy to avoid HIRING pedophiles.
You fought to bring down the Commies, AR,
and our Social Services and their "Family Court"
systems throughout the USA and beyond have
become pretty much what you fought against.
Surely you don't think that mere accusations
and social worker LIES should replace
criminal prosecutions or that accused
child molesters should not at least have
their day in court, for what good it does?
Does Antonio have any criminal convictions?
Do you, AR? Does Carol?
> >Isn't this much hostility doing JW's everywhere
> >a disservice, Antonio??
AR and Carol are waging a hate campaign against JW's.
It troubles them that a JW is actually fighting back.
They thought they had it made attacking a group
that has religious rules against defending themselves.
I suspected this and said so before.
It's as if somebody is seeking out Amish
people to attack knowing they won't fight back.
How manly is that, AR?
> Those are standards you want to yo apply
> not me. How do you feel now
> Gook Killer? Proud of yourself?
> > Trying to hoist AR ( Fred ) by his own petard?
> > Is your hostility really a response to attacks
> > from Carol and other anti-JW's, Antonio?
>
> > Using multiple ID's is not working in your favor, Antonio.
> > Did you think it was helping Carol?
AR (Fred) and Carol, what were you kicked out of JW's for?
Why are you running a FIFTEEN YEAR
campaign of hate against JW's?
What are your religions now, AR and Carol?
Greegor
You're making a LOT out of their use of different terminology.
(semantics)
> All JWs are required to be loyal to the 'organization.' They say they worship
> their God, Jehovah, yet they call themselves, Christians.
So you must hate Catholics also, not to mention Buddhists.
> True Christians worship the Christ;
Is that some church dogma, definition or your personal belief?
> JWs do not. They believe that Christ is a separate, lessor
> God. This is an Arianistic belief that is separate from all Trinitarian
> Christians.
So, What variation of BAPTIST are you now?
> The JW cult further separates itself by calling their leaders a governing body,
> a term used in corporations - not religions. They even say early Christian
> leaders who met in Jerusalem was called a governing body, which term
> appears no where except in their own version of the Bible.
You sure are obsessed about semantics!
> The governing body is an autocratic group
> of rulers who, through their representatives,
> enforce hundreds of rules.
The Council of Nicaea edited which
books of the Bible to keep or throw out.
Does that bother you?
http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html
> For example, a JW can be
> disfellowshipped for attending a birthday party.
Judaism and some Christian denomination use Saturday
as their Shabbat (Sabbath) instead of Sunday.
Some don't celebrate Christmas, and other
holidays are shifted around or eliminated.
Are these differences your basis for a hate campaign, AR?
<o)))))>{
"Annointed Remnant" <Annointe...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:j40fv...@drn.newsguy.com...
> In article
> <7072a9f0-c29f-4a5a...@l2g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> Ghent JABRIOL says...
As a sociopath and pathological liar, as well as a closet Atheist, he sees
nothing wrong with what he does here. He can't, as sociopaths have no
conscience or empathy for others. He admitted he told his own daughter,
after she was raped, that no man would want her as she was now "used goods,"
to quote Antonio. Any wonder she ended up costing him $38,000 to be put
away for awhile? Only a vicious bastard would say something like that to a
13 year old rape victim. But he was pissed at her for rejecting the WTS Org
and wanting to hang out with her friends. To have a normal teenage life. He
called the young lady a whore when she had the baby out-of-wedlock.
That my friends is a true SOCIOPATH.
--
WARNING:
This is the kind of people (see below) you let into your home when you open
the door to a Jehovah's Witness. This person (below) is admired by
a Jehovah's Witnesses online. The type of friend he would bring
into your home. Do you want him in your home? Do you want him
threatening your grandmother?:
"Read this carefully Bitch. You don't want to mess with me, this is
your second warning, I am not a JW you can intimidate by writing letters.
I do not live in your country where you can make false police claims.
You will do good to keep me in your Killfile. And when I speak you keep
your mouth shut Woman!" -= MadMonkey =-
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Parrish *~
>
> The governing body is an autocratic group of rulers who, through their
> representatives, enforce hundreds of rules. For example, a JW can be
> disfellowshipped for attending a birthday party.
>
They can also be DFed for growing a beard and mustache, smoking a cigarette
and refusing to peddle the Org's literature D2D. Yet they can go online
and harass, torment, libel, threaten people and little is done about it.
They can molest and bugger children and even get out of prison for murder,
and it's OK. They'll be kept hidden from others in the cong.
What sense does all that make? How can they not see the insanity........
"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:8aml27thc75i2bc75...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 05:09:48 -0700 (PDT), Joseki
> (JABRIOL)<jabri...@gmail.com>
> wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
>>That is Why God
>>does not pass the scientific method and I never claimed that he did,
>
> That makes no sense at all, but I'm used to irrational statements from
> you.
----------------------------------------
Annointed Remnant
Greegor says...
>
>> Greegor says...
>> >Antonio:
>>
>> >Please cease the part of your arguments
>> >that slam AR simply for being a 'Nam vet.
>>
>> >You got a PASS from me for using that
>> >racial epithet to ask questions because
>> >it was as you said, 'Nam vet speak.
>>
>> >I EVEN think you had some good points
>> >about a soldier who performed their duty
>> >and how that clashes with the JW culture.
>>
>> >But you crossed into presuming that all
>> >'Nam vets are baby killers etc.
>>
>> >I respect most veterans which is easy
>> >considering that so MANY relatives and
>> >ancestors of mine are veterans.
>>
>> >I ask YOU because Carol and Fred apparently
>> >won't answer me about how their seething
>> >suggested they are disgruntled former JW's.
>>
>> >Do you have any other insight into what
>> >started them out on this anti-JW hate campaign?
>>
>> Speaking for myself, I don't hate
>> JWs; I hate the organization. They
>> have ruined countless lives and
>> caused many to commit suicide. The
>> organization has many cult
>> characteristics. In fact they prefer
>> to call themselves an organization
>> rather than a religion. Several
>> years ago, they had a slogan,
>> "Religion is a Snare and a Racket,"
>> in an attempt to separate themselves
>> from all other Christian religions,
>> which they call Christendom.
>
>You're making a LOT out of their use
>of different terminology. (semantics)
Not hardly.
>> All JWs are required to be loyal
>> to the 'organization.' They say they
>> worship their God, Jehovah, yet they
>> call themselves, Christians.
>
>So you must hate Catholics also, not
>to mention Buddhists.
Comparative religions was not one of your strong points, was it?
>> True Christians worship the Christ;
>
>Is that some church dogma, definition
>or your personal belief?
You guess. If you chose the right answer you get a lollipop.
>> JWs do not. They believe that Christ
>> is a separate, lessor God. This is an
>> Arianistic belief that is separate
>> from all Trinitarian Christians.
>
>So, What variation of BAPTIST are you now?
What variation of idiot are you?
>> The JW cult further separates itself
>> by calling their leaders a governing
>> body, a term used in corporations -
>> not religions. They even say early
>> Christian leaders who met in
>> Jerusalem was called a governing body,
>> which term appears no where except
>> in their own version of the Bible.
>
>You sure are obsessed about semantics!
You sure are ignorant about religion.
>> The governing body is an autocratic group
>> of rulers who, through their representatives,
>> enforce hundreds of rules.
>
>The Council of Nicaea edited which
>books of the Bible to keep or throw out.
>Does that bother you?
I don't sleep at night because of it.
>http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html
>
>> For example, a JW can be
>> disfellowshipped for attending a birthday party.
>
>Judaism and some Christian denomination use Saturday
>as their Shabbat (Sabbath) instead of Sunday.
And tadpoles turn into frogs.
Greegor
wrote:
> In article <74047c8c-ac6d-4e9d-b3f0-91ffac8e4...@b10g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
> Greegor says...
>
> >> Greegor says...
> >> >Antonio:
>
> >> >Please cease the part of your arguments
> >> >that slam AR simply for being a 'Nam vet.
>
> >> >You got a PASS from me for using that
> >> >racial epithet to ask questions because
> >> >it was as you said, 'Nam vet speak.
>
> >> >I EVEN think you had some good points
> >> >about a soldier who performed their duty
> >> >and how that clashes with the JW culture.
>
> >> >But you crossed into presuming that all
> >> >'Nam vets are baby killers etc.
>
> >> >I respect most veterans which is easy
> >> >considering that so MANY relatives and
> >> >ancestors of mine are veterans.
>
> >> >I ask YOU because Carol and Fred apparently
> >> >won't answer me about how their seething
> >> >hatred of JW's got started. =A0Mad Monkey
> >> >suggested they are disgruntled former JW's.
G > Do you have any other insight into what
G > started them out on this anti-JW hate campaign?
What started you and your wife on this
FIFTEEN YEAR hate campaign against JW's, AR ?
Exactly WHY were you disfellowshipped?
> >> Speaking for myself, I don't hate
> >> JWs; I hate the organization. They
> >> have ruined countless lives and
> >> caused many to commit suicide. The
> >> organization has many cult
> >> characteristics. In fact they prefer
> >> to call themselves an organization
> >> rather than a religion. Several
> >> years ago, they had a slogan,
> >> "Religion is a Snare and a Racket,"
And you disagree with that, AR?
> >> in an attempt to separate themselves
> >> from all other Christian religions,
> >> which they call Christendom.
G > You're making a LOT out of their use
G > of different terminology. (semantics)
AR > Not hardly.
Double negative?
> >> All JWs are required to be loyal
> >> to the 'organization.' They say they
> >> worship their God, Jehovah, yet they
> >> call themselves, Christians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh
Yahweh is the name of the biblical god.
[...]
When transcribing the Tetragrammaton, the vocalization Jehovah has
been popular in particular in Protestantism from the time of the
Reformation.
> > So you must hate Catholics also, not
> > to mention Buddhists.
AR > Comparative religions was not one of your strong points, was it?
Only at university.
AR > True Christians worship the Christ;
G > Is that some church dogma, definition
G > or your personal belief?
AR > You guess. If you chose the right answer you get a lollipop.
Who do you think gets to decide what Christians are true?
Come on, if you're going to run a hate campaign
against cults you're not going to do well to act
very evasive about your definition of a cult, are you, AR?
These are softball questions, really.
> >> JWs do not. They believe that Christ
> >> is a separate, lessor God. This is an
> >> Arianistic belief that is separate
> >> from all Trinitarian Christians.
G > So, What variation of BAPTIST are you now?
AR > What variation of idiot are you?
Again, if you want to run a hate campaign against
cults, you would do better to be more open about
your own religion, your motivations and how
you became so motivated to run a 15 year
hate campaign.
Being evasive about your own beliefs
just makes you look like somebody in
one cult PO'd about a competing cult.
Isn't evasiveness one of your criticisms
about cults? Lack of full disclosure?
> >> The JW cult further separates itself
> >> by calling their leaders a governing
> >> body, a term used in corporations -
> >> not religions. They even say early
> >> Christian leaders who met in
> >> Jerusalem was called a governing body,
> >> which term appears no where except
> >> in their own version of the Bible.
G > You sure are obsessed about semantics!
AR > You sure are ignorant about religion.
When you get hung up about a TERM
and how it doesn't appear in some translation
of the bible, you began arguing semantics.
> >> The governing body is an autocratic group
> >> of rulers who, through their representatives,
> >> enforce hundreds of rules.
You began to form a logical argument.
G > The Council of Nicaea edited which
G > books of the Bible to keep or throw out.
G > Does that bother you?
http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html
AR > I don't sleep at night because of it.
Don't you think that bit of autocratic
decision making has had an effect on all
denominations of Christianity?
Do you consider the weeded out books of the bible,
the "Gnostic Texts" to be evil and heresy?
I imagine the JW's consider them heresy and evil.
But do you, AR?
AR > For example, a JW can be
AR > disfellowshipped for attending a birthday party.
G > Judaism and some Christian denomination use Saturday
G > as their Shabbat (Sabbath) instead of Sunday.
AR > And tadpoles turn into frogs.
Then WHY were you so amazed about their rules?
Didn't you KNOW that tadpoles turn into frogs?
ie: Didn't you KNOW and accept their rules
when you joined the JW's?
Did they hog tie you and force them upon you?
If you don't like their rules, then WHY
did you become one for 30 years?
And why did they disfellowship you, AR ?
Greegor
their
AR > representatives, enforce hundreds of rules. For example, a JW
can be
AR > disfellowshipped for attending a birthday party.
C > They can also be DFed for growing a beard
C > and mustache, smoking a cigarette and
C > refusing to peddle the Org's literature D2D.
If you were joining the Hare' Krishna's
you'd be amazed that they expect you
to shave your head and wear robes, Carol!
I think you are dumber than a dial tone.
> Yet they can go online
> and harass, torment, libel, threaten people and little is done about it.
> They can molest and bugger children and even get out of prison for murder,
> and it's OK. They'll be kept hidden from others in the cong.
But YOU were disfellowshipped for what?
> What sense does all that make? How can they not see the insanity........
So YOU'RE helping everybody see how insane JW's are, Carol?
ROFL
> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>
> news:8aml27thc75i2bc75...@4ax.com...> On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 05:09:48 -0700 (PDT), Joseki
> > (JABRIOL)<jabriol2...@gmail.com>
Annointed Remnant
>
>
>"Annointed Remnant" <Annointe...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>news:j3vu7...@drn.newsguy.com...
>>
>> The governing body is an autocratic group of rulers who, through their
>> representatives, enforce hundreds of rules. For example, a JW can be
>> disfellowshipped for attending a birthday party.
>>
>
>They can also be DFed for growing a beard and mustache, smoking a cigarette
>and refusing to peddle the Org's literature D2D. Yet they can go online
>and harass, torment, libel, threaten people and little is done about it.
>They can molest and bugger children and even get out of prison for murder,
>and it's OK. They'll be kept hidden from others in the cong.
>
>What sense does all that make? How can they not see the insanity........
Greegor
> "Layfon Efelis" Antonio L Santana/Jabriol<jabriol2...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:59a3c5bc-edd3-4535...@k29g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>
> Hostility? Maybe. But It serves a purpose. They expect a JW to be a
> mind-controlled drone, unable to think for themselves. They are up to
> letter writing Campaign as well, and are enticing other to write. If
> you think I am hostile now as a JW. Imagine what would happen if what
> they desire came true.
>
> Who cares Antonio/Jabriol? You deserve whatever you get as many people
> have told you in the past. If you're so innocent and feel you're a real
> saint here, you have nothing to worry about so why are you crying and
> whining now?
If Antonio's so rotten then why does
Carol ignore logic and "bear false witness"
by posting lies and emotional garbage?
If Antonio was really rotten and Carol
so innocent then the complaints to
the cops would have stuck, unless
the cops decided Carol is a bullshitter.
Greegor
wrote:
> In article <j40nq8$4r...@dont-email.me>, Parrish *~ says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> >news:j3vu7...@drn.newsguy.com...
>
> >> The governing body is an autocratic group of rulers who, through their
> >> representatives, enforce hundreds of rules. For example, a JW can be
> >> disfellowshipped for attending a birthday party.
>
> >They can also be DFed for growing a beard and mustache, smoking a cigarette
> >and refusing to peddle the Org's literature D2D. Yet they can go online
> >and harass, torment, libel, threaten people and little is done about it.
> >They can molest and bugger children and even get out of prison for murder,
> >and it's OK. They'll be kept hidden from others in the cong.
>
> >What sense does all that make? How can they not see the insanity........
>
> It only makes sense within the cult.
Some of what you describe sounds like
aiding and abetting a crime, or at least
some really juicy material for suing the
organization into the ground.
Notice how the Catholic church is having
to make some huge payouts because
of their part in shuffling around and
covering up pedophile priests?
MadMonkey
I don't, IMHO I don't think that was the case. I think the comparison
had to do with perception. A soldier kills. A serial killer kills. it
what defines them give them the definition of monster or saviour in the
public eye. I think Antonio was saying that a person who
kills---kills--- and thus AR has the same right to be a JW as the serial
killer does.
Look at Jesus, was he not killed by Roman soldiers?
>>>> Secondly, the generation who accused us of being baby killers has long since
>>>> grown up and have stopped repeating those lies.
>>
>> Did you seriously mean to accuse an entire generation
>> of accusing you of such? As if there was some
>> amazing unity there, rather than a lot of chaos?
>
> It wasn't the 'entire' generation; it was the counterculture. There most
> certainly was unity. I lived through it, but for you there are history books
> you can brush up on.
>
>>> I was Airborne infantry and have several medals
>>> and badges awarded to me by the Department of the Army.
>>
>>> For killing people. the Army does that.
>>>
>>>>>> AR was drafted, and he told you this. So
>>>>>> that gave him the right to kill gooks. real
>>>>>> JW would refuse and go to jail.
>>>
>>>> Actually, I volunteered.
>>>> That gave me the right to fight for my country.
>>
>>> So we see Carol lies again. AR caught you RED HANDED in a lie about
>>> him. You have just demonstrated how easy it is for you to lie and
>>> fabricate stories.
>>>
We already know Carol fabricates stories. I saw her excuse saying it was
another poster who said this an not her, but what to know with so many
aliases?
>>> In
>>>
>>>> those days JWs did go to prison for refusing to be drafted. I have worked
>>> with
>>>> individuals who were also conscientious objectors who worked in hospitals or
>>> the
>>>> US Forest Service in lieu of the military, but the JWs couldn't even do that.
>>>> What a waste of two years. At least those who worked was a benefit to our
>>>> society, but the JWs sentenced to prison were a drain on our society. The JWs
>>>> finally caved in a few years ago and changed that policy. While they are
>>> still
>>>> conscientious objectors, they can ask for alternate work now. I joined the
>>> JWs
>>>> after my military service.
>>>
>>> Why did they let you join? You said, they wanted a squeaky clean
>>> organization. Allowing a license killer among their midst would have
>>> been a no no? right?
>>
>> Though clumsy and needlessly hostile, the
>> questions are worthwhile, AR.
>
> Worthwhile to whom? Do you know any Christian church that calls military
> veterans, serial killers?
>
Of course, the losing side. I know, I live in a country that lost the
war, my parents tell me of Americans that rapes the girls on the country
side or turn them into hookers, they weren't refering to tourist. When
American lose a war, then you will do the same.
>>>>>> ::: You were there with him, so you know he
>>>>>> killed people there? You saw him kill them?
>>>
>>>>> What did he do in Nam, wash latrines?
>>>
>>>>> ::: If you were a REAL man you would know what
>>>>> went on there. You wouldn't have to guess and
>>>>> make such inane statements. Not all Americans
>>>>> there were out in the Jungles.
>>>
>>>> Ninety percent were support personnel.
>>>
>>> To assist in killing people. So did you break the record in gook
>>> killings? Did you leave any child behind with your genetic material so
>>> she can be abised for not being 100% gook?
>>
>> Too hostile.
>>
>>>>>> And why keep repeating a racist comment?
>>>
>>>>> What racist comment. I was using Nam Vet speak.
>>
>>
>>>> No, you were insinuating that I molested children and raped 'gooks.' If there
>>>> was one thing that I could ever guarantee in this world it's that you would
>>>> never say that to me face to face.
>>
>>> No, and you know that. I was pointing out the fact that your past no
>>> matter what, did not have an effect for you to be baptized as a JW.
>>
>> Good point but to what end?
>
> The guy is riddled with guilt.
How so? You brought up the serial killer item. And Carol accuse JW's of
raping their kids?
> You can talk about apples and he will divert the
> discussion to child molestation or rape or murder. There is only one reason I
> can think of why he is so possessed with such topics and why he believes those
> who are guilty of such crimes should not only go unpunished but be protected by
> his church elders.
>
I wonder
>>> As
>>> for saying in your face of course I would. And your reaction would
>>> land you in Jail did you not read MM reply? he he right?. By your
>>> standards, these are the question an Elder should have asked you
>>> before being baptized right?
>>
>>
>>> Bring out your dirty past in the Open,
>>> then tell you you have no position in God's Kingdom, because God's
>>> Kingdom don't allow Gook killers.
>>
>> JW's redeem sinners, right?
>> But wait, AR, aren't you a former
>> JW ELDER who turned against JW's?
>> Is that right, AR??
>
> Firstly, I was never an elder, nor have I ever said that I was. Secondly, it is
> most appropriate to expose a dangerous cult.
>
I want to be sincere with this question since I do ahve a high respect
for you. Do you hunt JW's or all cults--pagans?--for example.
>> Antonio you are very hostile for somebody
>> who is supposed to be an active JW.
>
> In the 30 years as a JW, I never met any JW who acted like him. I have known
> dozens of nice people who got disfellowshipped for idiotic reasons, yet Antonio
> continues unabated?
>
Interesting. Beside his writing style, please inform me how is he
supposed to behave?
>>> And then inform everyone in the
>>> congregation to keep an eye on you, being a Nam Vet, you may go
>>> bonkers with a flash back. To keep the congregation children away from
>>> you, in one of those flash backs, you would see little gooks that need
>>> to be killed. I am sure you would accept those condition to be part of
>>> a squeaky clean organization huh Fred?
>>
>> Why are you lashing out with so much hostility, Antonio?
>>
>> Has AR beat you up a lot in the past or what?
Sound more like a Perry Mason Show. They still give that here. I like
Raymond Burr.
>
> No. It's guilt. You can see the guilt oozing from his comments. Normal people
> do not want child molesters and rapists to be protected.
>
Do you know here in Palermo, the Law protect child molesters. If they go
to prision, and do their time, they get police protection. Where I work,
our Personnel dept is not allowed to divulge the past of the reformed.
You see we have strong sentiments and we will not hesitate to cut off
the ball of a known molester. So you see why they need police
protection. Would you insinuate our constable enjoy protecting the
shit-heads?
--
=You don't want a Mad Monkey on your back=
Annointed Remnant
Greegor says...
I get out quite a bit, actually.
>> >> Being a Vet makes you an exception? But the question did bother you.
>> >> I am sure it would have bothered you the day they ask you the baptism
>> >> question right? Did they ask you Fred? did any Elder ask you to
>> >> confess to your war crimes? all your sexual encounters with possible
>> >> minors before baptism? Adultery? Drug use?
>> >> You Know former elder why I asked you what I did.
>>
>> >Are you refusing to answer these questions, AR?
>
>Are there limits to what kind of past the
>JW's will forgive when you "come to Jesus"
>with them?
They will forgive anything as long as you follow all the rules and cower to the
governing body.
>AR > Antonio is comparing a decorated vet with a serial killer.
>AR > Do you agree with that comparison?
>
>You could have answered individual questions.
>
>I don't see you doing any mea culpas for ANYTHING.
>
>Why is that, AR?
>
>Is it true that you tried Police and legal action?
No. Whoever said that was a lying piece of shit.
>Is it true that you tried writing to Antonio's
>JW ELDERS?
I didn't try writing; I did write. The dumb shit dared me. He even gave me the
address. He will be severely reprimanded soon.
>How did you go from being an ELDER
>in the JW's to an anti-JW hate campaign?
You asked that before. My answer is still the same.
>AR > Secondly, the generation who accused
>AR > us of being baby killers has long since
>AR > grown up and have stopped repeating those lies.
>
>G > Did you seriously mean to accuse an entire generation
>G > of accusing you of such? As if there was some
>G > amazing unity there, rather than a lot of chaos?
>
>AR > It wasn't the 'entire' generation; it was the
>AR > counterculture.
>
>You think there was only one?
Huh?
>AR > There most certainly was unity. I lived
>AR > through it, but for you there are history
>AR > books you can brush up on.
>
>How old are you?
64
How old do you think I am, AR?
12
Heh.
>> >> > >> ::: You were there with him, so you know he
>> >> > >> killed people there? You saw him kill them?
>>
>> >> > >What did he do in Nam, wash latrines?
>>
>> >> > >::: If you were a REAL man you would know what
>> >> > >went on there. You wouldn't have to guess and
>> >> > >make such inane statements. Not all Americans
>> >> > >there were out in the Jungles.
>>
>> >> > Ninety percent were support personnel.
>>
>> >> To assist in killing people. So did you break the record in gook
>> >> killings? Did you leave any child behind with your genetic material so
>> >> she can be abised for not being 100% gook?
>>
>> >Too hostile.
>>
>> >> > >>And why keep repeating a racist comment?
>>
>> >> > >What racist comment. I was using Nam Vet speak.
>>
>>>>> No, you were insinuating that I molested children and raped 'gooks.' If
>>there
>>>> > was one thing that I could ever guarantee in this world it's that you would
>> >> > never say that to me face to face.
>
>> >> No, and you know that. I was pointing out the fact that your past no
>> >> matter what, did not have an effect for you to be baptized as a JW.
>>
>> >Good point but to what end?
>
>AR > The guy is riddled with guilt.
>
>Whereas you pose as virginal, AR ?
Sorry, I'm not gay. You're in the wrong newsgroup.
>> You can talk about apples and he will divert the
>> discussion to child molestation or rape or murder.
>
>What difference does it make, you don't
>do any mea culpas for anything.
>
>Pretending to be virginal and innocent of
>everything doesn't work, AR.
I don't pretend.
>AR > There is only one reason
>
>This phrase is an automatic red flag, AR.
A red flag for whom? You? I see you didn't come up with another reason. I'm
open to suggestions.
>> I can think of why he is so possessed with
>> such topics and why he believes those
>> who are guilty of such crimes should not
>> only go unpunished but be protected by
>> his church elders.
>
>Isn't this a variation on the IKYABWAI defense?
I wasn't defending anything. The pervert is obsessed with child molestation,
rape, and murder.
>Got a link and quote to where Antonio said this?
Do you know what Google is? Type in Jabriol and rape and child molestation
and... well... you get the point. You'll get thousands of hits.
Do your own research. I'm not your secretary.
>
>> >Antonio you are very hostile for somebody
>> >who is supposed to be an active JW.
>>
>> In the 30 years as a JW, I never met any JW who acted like him.
>
>Is it true that you tried going to the Police about Antonio?
No.
>Is it true that you wrote to his ELDERS?
Yes.
>> I have known dozens of nice people who got
>> disfellowshipped for idiotic reasons, yet
>> Antonio continues unabated?
>
>What exactly were YOU disfellowshipped for, AR?
I wasn't.
>And your wife (?) ?
Sorry, I don't swap. You're in the wrong newsgroup.
You live in Iowa? Heh. Got too boring catching lightening bugs?
>So Rantz moved to Colorado Springs Colorado and
>got a job as a Child Protection casewworker until
>they caught him sexually molesting kids.
>
>If the system had prosecuted him here like
>they should have, he wouldn't have had
>such amazing access to kids in Colorado.
>
>The REAL child molesters gravitate toward
>jobs as caseworkers, contractors, therapists,
>sex abuse ""experts"" and even Judges and
>foster contractors.
>
>The system is so busy nit picking parents
>for trivia like household clutter that they're
>just too busy to avoid HIRING pedophiles.
It's not that difficult to clean your double wide. Try it sometime.
>You fought to bring down the Commies, AR,
>and our Social Services and their "Family Court"
>systems throughout the USA and beyond have
>become pretty much what you fought against.
>
>Surely you don't think that mere accusations
>and social worker LIES should replace
>criminal prosecutions or that accused
>child molesters should not at least have
>their day in court, for what good it does?
Jesus Christ! Are you on drugs?
>Does Antonio have any criminal convictions?
>Do you, AR? Does Carol?
I know I don't. How 'bout you?
>> >Isn't this much hostility doing JW's everywhere
>> >a disservice, Antonio??
>
>AR and Carol are waging a hate campaign against JW's.
>It troubles them that a JW is actually fighting back.
>They thought they had it made attacking a group
>that has religious rules against defending themselves.
>
>I suspected this and said so before.
>
>It's as if somebody is seeking out Amish
>people to attack knowing they won't fight back.
>
>How manly is that, AR?
The pervert does not represent anything except his perversion. Learn to know
the difference.
>> Those are standards you want to yo apply
>> not me. How do you feel now
>> Gook Killer? Proud of yourself?
>
>> > Trying to hoist AR ( Fred ) by his own petard?
>> > Is your hostility really a response to attacks
>> > from Carol and other anti-JW's, Antonio?
>>
>> > Using multiple ID's is not working in your favor, Antonio.
>> > Did you think it was helping Carol?
>
>AR (Fred) and Carol, what were you kicked out of JW's for?
I wasn't. Bye for now, Toots.
MadMonkey
>
> "Kent Wills" <comp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ff2467d759hjl3dkb...@4ax.com...
>> At one time, not so long ago, Polymath-Z <jabri...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Now you know why she uses remailers and socks, So plastic bag man cant
>>> pay her a visit.
>>
>> When has Carol done either?
>> BTW, nice threat, stupid!
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> See how Antonio/Jabriol proves himself a pathological liar over and over
> again? Everyone knows the few nyms I use, none are socks. I don't try
> and hide who I am because I have no need to hide.
Let's see using Carol tecnique:
From: k a & g <kaa...@spamthis.mpinet.net>
Date: 1999/10/26
Subject: Re: Exposing Carol/Yarrow/Windsong for the liar she is
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Webmaster wrote:
> Well.. A Fox has a very defined purpose on this NG.. Well, it seems
now I do
> too. I'm now going to go full time in exposing Carol/Yarrow/whoverthehell
> she is as the fraud & liar she is.
---well, herbie took her on (exposing her propensity for falsehood) and
if i am not
mistaken HE is the one she started accusing of "stalking"...somewhere
he
compiled a nice little list of some of her "handles" that she favors.
as for gwen's opinion, i think that she is missing the point. yes,
although this is an unmoderated forum and we are all free to do/say/act
whatever/however, most people still like to abide by some type of
netiquette. carol is known as a bit of anuisance poster, sort of like
when children/teens get involved in internet discussions for no reason
other than to satisfy their own need to grab attention and be annoying.
so the point here is not that she should NOT use fake names, just that
she should NOT keep changing them. her persistent
excuse for doing this used to be "oh, i dont want to get spammed". only
we all know that the only way to not get spammed is to have a fake email
address. which she already knows and uses. having a gazillion fake
names wont make a bit of a difference. all it DOES is keep her posts
from getting ignored as much as we would like. ---
MadMonkey
> In article <7072a9f0-c29f-4a5a...@l2g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> Ghent says...
>>
>> AR and her wrote letters to my congregation
>> to denounce my "bad behaviour or conduct
>> unbecoming a JW in good standing"
>>
>> They have done this because, they don't
>> have the legal recourse of accusing me of
>> any criminal acts here on American soil.
>
> I never accused you of any criminal acts, cretin. I said that JWs could not do
> what you are doing. You said they could and even gave me your congregation's
> address so I could write to them. I took you up on your dare and now you are
> whining like a little whipped pup.
>
So I was right. He did lead you on and told you where to write. I even
bet this was a private e-mail exchange. He call you Fred. How would he
know your name, it was posted before. I picked up on details like this.
In the real world it is my job. I think his whining was with Carol not you.
>> And While AR written to the Branch of JW
>> in NYC, the matter will just be referred
>> to the local BOE, because Carol and him
>> wrote to them, they are fully aware and
>> most likely reading Usenet from time to
>> time, and I have already made full
>> disclousre of what I do.
>
> Full disclosure? You're a lying sack of shit. If you get disfellowshipped it
> is because of your actions, so stop whining.
>
You see AR, do you really see what happened? You are guessing. I think
the man is telling the truth but in such a way, it distract you and
Carol. Remember Poe? he had a saying 'hide in plain sight'
Annointed Remnant
>
>Annointed Remnant wrote:
>>In article <7072a9f0-c29f-4a5a...@l2g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
>> Ghent says...
>>>
>>> AR and her wrote letters to my congregation
>>> to denounce my "bad behaviour or conduct
>>> unbecoming a JW in good standing"
>>>
>>> They have done this because, they don't
>>> have the legal recourse of accusing me of
>>> any criminal acts here on American soil.
>>
>> I never accused you of any criminal acts,
>> cretin. I said that JWs could not do what
>> you are doing. You said they could and
>> even gave me your congregation's address
>> so I could write to them. I took you up
>> on your dare and now you are whining like
>> a little whipped pup.
>
>So I was right. He did lead you on and told
>you where to write. I even bet this was a
>private e-mail exchange. He call you Fred.
>How would he know your name, it was posted
>before. I picked up on details like this.
>In the real world it is my job. I think his
>whining was with Carol not you.
The pervert knows my name. And, yes, he gave me the address and invited me to
write to his congregation. I'm sure he has done this many times before but
rarely has anyone followed through on it.
>>> And While AR written to the Branch of JW
>>> in NYC, the matter will just be referred
>>> to the local BOE, because Carol and him
>>> wrote to them, they are fully aware and
>>> most likely reading Usenet from time to
>>> time, and I have already made full
>>> disclousre of what I do.
>>
>> Full disclosure? You're a lying sack of shit.
>> If you get disfellowshipped it
>> is because of your actions, so stop whining.
>
>You see AR, do you really see what happened?
>You are guessing.
No, I'm not. Stop pretending you know how the Jehovah's Witnesses operate.
>I think the man is telling the truth but
>in such a way, it distract you and Carol.
>Remember Poe? he had a saying 'hide in
>plain sight'
How do you hide with "full disclosure?" Full disclosure would be to tell the
elders that he does not believe in any supernatural God - including Jehovah.
Full disclosure would mean that he threatened and terrorized an elderly woman.
BTW, that's as cowardly as a man can get. You wouldn't resort to threatening an
elderly lady, would you? No one but a scum sucking pig would do that, right?
MadMonkey
That was Carol, I think Caro claimed that Antonio was under a two sate
investigation and that was a farce on Carol part. AR did not claim this.
>> Is it true that you tried writing to Antonio's
>> JW ELDERS?
>
> I didn't try writing; I did write. The dumb shit dared me. He even gave me the
> address. He will be severely reprimanded soon.
>
We don't know this.
>> How did you go from being an ELDER
>> in the JW's to an anti-JW hate campaign?
>
> You asked that before. My answer is still the same.
>
>> AR > Secondly, the generation who accused
>> AR > us of being baby killers has long since
>> AR > grown up and have stopped repeating those lies.
>>
>> G > Did you seriously mean to accuse an entire generation
>> G > of accusing you of such? As if there was some
>> G > amazing unity there, rather than a lot of chaos?
>>
>> AR > It wasn't the 'entire' generation; it was the
>> AR > counterculture.
>>
>> You think there was only one?
>
> Huh?
>
>> AR > There most certainly was unity. I lived
>> AR > through it, but for you there are history
>> AR > books you can brush up on.
>>
>> How old are you?
>
> 64
>
> How old do you think I am, AR?
>
> 12
>
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, Sorry that just caught me off guard.
That reply just killed me. You see AR does have a sense of humor.
>>> You can talk about apples and he will divert the
>>> discussion to child molestation or rape or murder.
>>
>> What difference does it make, you don't
>> do any mea culpas for anything.
>>
>> Pretending to be virginal and innocent of
>> everything doesn't work, AR.
>
> I don't pretend.
>
>> AR > There is only one reason
>>
>> This phrase is an automatic red flag, AR.
>
> A red flag for whom? You? I see you didn't come up with another reason. I'm
> open to suggestions.
>
>>> I can think of why he is so possessed with
>>> such topics and why he believes those
>>> who are guilty of such crimes should not
>>> only go unpunished but be protected by
>>> his church elders.
>>
>> Isn't this a variation on the IKYABWAI defense?
>
> I wasn't defending anything. The pervert is obsessed with child molestation,
> rape, and murder.
>
>> Got a link and quote to where Antonio said this?
>
> Do you know what Google is? Type in Jabriol and rape and child molestation
> and... well... you get the point. You'll get thousands of hits.
>
I really hate to say this, but the thousands of hits take you to Carol
sock puppetry and cut-paste posts. And as I mentioned it seem Antonio
counted on this.
The question is valid.
>>>> Antonio you are very hostile for somebody
>>>> who is supposed to be an active JW.
>>>
>>> In the 30 years as a JW, I never met any JW who acted like him.
>>
>> Is it true that you tried going to the Police about Antonio?
>
> No.
>
That was Carol.
Merde! this conversation just turned.
>> Does Antonio have any criminal convictions?
>> Do you, AR? Does Carol?
>
> I know I don't. How 'bout you?
>
Carol says he a Criminal and was hiring people to kill her. But as we
now know, Carol is a loon.
>>>> Isn't this much hostility doing JW's everywhere
>>>> a disservice, Antonio??
>>
>> AR and Carol are waging a hate campaign against JW's.
>> It troubles them that a JW is actually fighting back.
>> They thought they had it made attacking a group
>> that has religious rules against defending themselves.
>>
>> I suspected this and said so before.
>>
>> It's as if somebody is seeking out Amish
>> people to attack knowing they won't fight back.
>>
>> How manly is that, AR?
>
> The pervert does not represent anything except his perversion. Learn to know
> the difference.
>
Amish?
>>> Those are standards you want to yo apply
>>> not me. How do you feel now
>>> Gook Killer? Proud of yourself?
>>
>>>> Trying to hoist AR ( Fred ) by his own petard?
>>>> Is your hostility really a response to attacks
>>>> from Carol and other anti-JW's, Antonio?
>>>
>>>> Using multiple ID's is not working in your favor, Antonio.
>>>> Did you think it was helping Carol?
>>
>> AR (Fred) and Carol, what were you kicked out of JW's for?
>
> I wasn't. Bye for now, Toots.
>>
>> Why are you running a FIFTEEN YEAR
>> campaign of hate against JW's?
>>
>> What are your religions now, AR and Carol?
>
AR said he walked away disgruntled. I did notice he still use military
slurs ( I am a bit of a historian)
MadMonkey
Well, I missed that.
Annointed Remnant
Greegor says...
>
>On Sep 4, 3:44=A0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <74047c8c-ac6d-4e9d-b3f0-91ffac8e4...@b10g2000vbz.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> Greegor says...
>>
>> >> Greegor says...
>> >> >Antonio:
>>
>> >> >Please cease the part of your arguments
>> >> >that slam AR simply for being a 'Nam vet.
>>
>> >> >You got a PASS from me for using that
>> >> >racial epithet to ask questions because
>> >> >it was as you said, 'Nam vet speak.
>>
>> >> >I EVEN think you had some good points
>> >> >about a soldier who performed their duty
>> >> >and how that clashes with the JW culture.
>>
>> >> >But you crossed into presuming that all
>> >> >'Nam vets are baby killers etc.
>>
>> >> >I respect most veterans which is easy
>> >> >considering that so MANY relatives and
>> >> >ancestors of mine are veterans.
>>
>> >> >I ask YOU because Carol and Fred apparently
>> >> >won't answer me about how their seething
>> >> >suggested they are disgruntled former JW's.
>
>G > Do you have any other insight into what
>G > started them out on this anti-JW hate campaign?
>
>What started you and your wife on this
>FIFTEEN YEAR hate campaign against JW's, AR ?
I left the JWs four years ago. Are you on drugs?
>Exactly WHY were you disfellowshipped?
When did you stop beating your wife?
>> >> Speaking for myself, I don't hate
>> >> JWs; I hate the organization. They
>> >> have ruined countless lives and
>> >> caused many to commit suicide. The
>> >> organization has many cult
>> >> characteristics. In fact they prefer
>> >> to call themselves an organization
>> >> rather than a religion. Several
>> >> years ago, they had a slogan,
>> >> "Religion is a Snare and a Racket,"
>
>And you disagree with that, AR?
Disagree with what? That they have ruined countless lives and caused many to
commit suicide? That's a fact. Whether I agree with it or not is immaterial.
>> >> in an attempt to separate themselves
>> >> from all other Christian religions,
>> >> which they call Christendom.
>
>G > You're making a LOT out of their use
>G > of different terminology. (semantics)
>
>AR > Not hardly.
>
>Double negative?
Colloquial expression.
>> >> All JWs are required to be loyal
>> >> to the 'organization.' They say they
>> >> worship their God, Jehovah, yet they
>> >> call themselves, Christians.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh
>
>Yahweh is the name of the biblical god.
>[...]
>When transcribing the Tetragrammaton,
>the vocalization Jehovah has been popular
>in particular in Protestantism from the
>time of the Reformation.
Have you ever had your elevator go to the top floor? Most Christians believe in
a trinitarian God, The Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost. Jehovah's Witnesses
do not. Wikipedia it, son.
>> > So you must hate Catholics also, not
>> > to mention Buddhists.
>
>AR > Comparative religions was not one of your strong points, was it?
>
>Only at university.
I believe you... heh.
>AR > True Christians worship the Christ;
>
>G > Is that some church dogma, definition
>G > or your personal belief?
>
>AR > You guess. If you chose the right
>> answer you get a lollipop.
>
>Who do you think gets to decide what
>Christians are true?
>
>Come on, if you're going to run a hate
>campaign against cults you're not going
>to do well to act very evasive about
>your definition of a cult, are you, AR?
>
>These are softball questions, really.
So, you admit you have no idea what a cult is?
>> >> JWs do not. They believe that Christ
>> >> is a separate, lessor God. This is an
>> >> Arianistic belief that is separate
>> >> from all Trinitarian Christians.
>
>G > So, What variation of BAPTIST are you now?
>
>AR > What variation of idiot are you?
>
>Again, if you want to run a hate campaign against
>cults, you would do better to be more open about
>your own religion, your motivations and how
>you became so motivated to run a 15 year
>hate campaign.
I have already explained that in detail. Sorry you missed it. What's your drug
of choice?
>Being evasive about your own beliefs
>just makes you look like somebody in
>one cult PO'd about a competing cult.
I'm not evasive. Never have been. So tell me about yourself. When are you
going to graduate from highschool?
>Isn't evasiveness one of your criticisms
>about cults? Lack of full disclosure?
Isn't your ignorance of cults, your ignorance of cults?
>> >> The JW cult further separates itself
>> >> by calling their leaders a governing
>> >> body, a term used in corporations -
>> >> not religions. They even say early
>> >> Christian leaders who met in
>> >> Jerusalem was called a governing body,
>> >> which term appears no where except
>> >> in their own version of the Bible.
>
>G > You sure are obsessed about semantics!
>
>AR > You sure are ignorant about religion.
>
>When you get hung up about a TERM
>and how it doesn't appear in some translation
>of the bible, you began arguing semantics.
No, Dear. When some cult adds to the Bible, they are adding to the Bible.
>> >> The governing body is an autocratic group
>> >> of rulers who, through their representatives,
>> >> enforce hundreds of rules.
>
>You began to form a logical argument.
>
>G > The Council of Nicaea edited which
>G > books of the Bible to keep or throw out.
>G > Does that bother you?
>
>http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html
>
>AR > I don't sleep at night because of it.
>
>Don't you think that bit of autocratic
>decision making has had an effect on all
>denominations of Christianity?
I think your knowledge of Christianity is abysmal.
>Do you consider the weeded out books of the bible,
>the "Gnostic Texts" to be evil and heresy?
>
>I imagine the JW's consider them heresy and evil.
Sure.
>But do you, AR?
No.
>AR > For example, a JW can be
>AR > disfellowshipped for attending a birthday party.
>
>G > Judaism and some Christian denomination use Saturday
>G > as their Shabbat (Sabbath) instead of Sunday.
>
>AR > And tadpoles turn into frogs.
>
>Then WHY were you so amazed about their rules?
>
>> Didn't you KNOW that tadpoles turn into frogs?
>
>ie: Didn't you KNOW and accept their rules
>when you joined the JW's?
>
>Did they hog tie you and force them upon you?
>
>If you don't like their rules, then WHY
>did you become one for 30 years?
I see you have absolutely no concept of how cults operate.
>And why did they disfellowship you, AR ?
When did you stop beating your wife?
Annointed Remnant
Greegor says...
>
>AR > The governing body is an autocratic group of rulers who, through
>their
>can be
>AR > disfellowshipped for attending a birthday party.
>
>C > They can also be DFed for growing a beard
>C > and mustache, smoking a cigarette and
>C > refusing to peddle the Org's literature D2D.
>
>If you were joining the Hare' Krishna's
>you'd be amazed that they expect you
>to shave your head and wear robes, Carol!
>
>I think you are dumber than a dial tone.
>
>> and harass, torment, libel, threaten people and little is done about it.
>,
>> and it's OK. =A0They'll be kept hidden from others in the cong.
>
>But YOU were disfellowshipped for what?
>
>..
>
>So YOU'RE helping everybody see how insane JW's are, Carol?
>
>ROFL
>
>
>> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>>
Annointed Remnant
>their
>can be
>AR > disfellowshipped for attending a birthday party.
>
>C > They can also be DFed for growing a beard
>C > and mustache, smoking a cigarette and
>C > refusing to peddle the Org's literature D2D.
>
>If you were joining the Hare' Krishna's
>you'd be amazed that they expect you
>to shave your head and wear robes, Carol!
Nothing surprising there. Both are cults.
Annointed Remnant
Greegor says...
>
>On Sep 4, 6:27=A0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <j40nq8$4r...@dont-email.me>, Parrish *~ says...
>>
>> >"Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>> >news:j3vu7...@drn.newsguy.com...
>>
>> >> The governing body is an autocratic group of rulers who, through their
>e
>> >> disfellowshipped for attending a birthday party.
>>
>tte
>> >and refusing to peddle the Org's literature D2D. =A0 Yet they can go onl=
>ine
>> >and harass, torment, libel, threaten people and little is done about it.
>r,
>> >and it's OK. =A0They'll be kept hidden from others in the cong.
>>
>> >What sense does all that make? =A0How can they not see the insanity.....=
>...
>>
>> It only makes sense within the cult.
>
>Some of what you describe sounds like
>aiding and abetting a crime, or at least
>some really juicy material for suing the
>organization into the ground.
>
>Notice how the Catholic church is having
>to make some huge payouts because
>of their part in shuffling around and
>covering up pedophile priests?
Exactly! The JWs paid millions to pedophile victims. The JWs hid the offenders
and even disfellowshipped those who tried to bring it in the open. What kind of
drugs do you use?
Greegor
G > Are you refusing to answer these questions, AR?
G > Are there limits to what kind of past the
G > JW's will forgive when you "come to Jesus"
G > with them?
AR > They will forgive anything as long as you follow
AR > all the rules and cower to the governing body.
> >> AR > Antonio is comparing a decorated vet with a serial killer.
> >> AR > Do you agree with that comparison?
>
> >> You could have answered individual questions.
>
> >> I don't see you doing any mea culpas for ANYTHING.
>
> >> Why is that, AR?
>
> >> Is it true that you tried Police and legal action?
>
> > No. Whoever said that was a lying piece of shit.
>
MM > That was Carol, I think Caro claimed that
MM > Antonio was under a two [ state ] investigation
MM > and that was a farce on Carol part. AR did not claim this.
Thanks for the correction.
You know, I saw AR and Carol referred to as a couple
and I asked if they are married, but got no answer.
I did notice AR posturing as if Carol is an innocent victim
rather than instigating hostility against herself.
G > Is it true that you tried writing to Antonio's
G > JW ELDERS?
AR > I didn't try writing; I did write.
But you failed to attain the results you desired.
AR > The dumb shit dared me. He even gave me the
AR > address. He will be severely reprimanded soon.
MM > We don't know this.
G > What difference does it make, you don't
G > do any mea culpas for anything.
G >
G > Pretending to be virginal and innocent of
G > everything doesn't work, AR.
AR > I don't pretend.
Oh so you ARE a psychopath!
AR > There is only one reason
G > This phrase is an automatic red flag, AR.
> A red flag for whom? You? I see you didn't
> come up with another reason. I'm
> open to suggestions.
>
> >>> I can think of why he is so possessed with
> >>> such topics and why he believes those
> >>> who are guilty of such crimes should not
> >>> only go unpunished but be protected by
> >>> his church elders.
>
> >> Isn't this a variation on the IKYABWAI defense?
>
> > I wasn't defending anything. The pervert is obsessed with child molestation,
> > rape, and murder.
>
G > Got a link and quote to where Antonio said this?
AR > Do you know what Google is? Type in
AR > Jabriol and rape and child molestation
AR > and... well... you get the point.
AR > You'll get thousands of hits.
MM > I really hate to say this, but the thousands
MM > of hits take you to Carol sock puppetry and
MM > cut-paste posts. And as I mentioned it
MM > seem Antonio counted on this.
> >>>>> As
> >>>>> for saying in your face of course I would. And your reaction would
> >>>>> land you in Jail did you not read MM reply? he he right?. By your
> >>>>> standards, these are the question an Elder should have asked you
> >>>>> before being baptized right?
>
> >>>>> Bring out your dirty past in the Open,
> >>>>> then tell you you have no position in God's Kingdom, because God's
> >>>>> Kingdom don't allow Gook killers.
>
> >>>> JW's redeem sinners, right?
> >>>> But wait, AR, aren't you a former
> >>>> JW ELDER who turned against JW's?
> >>>> Is that right, AR??
AR > Firstly, I was never an elder, nor have
AR > I ever said that I was. Secondly, it is
AR > most appropriate to expose a dangerous cult.
G > Like the Catholic Church, you mean?
G >
G > Or the Lutherans! Yeah! They're evil! LOL
G >
G > It's just WAY too easy to see THAT OTHER
G > denomination as evil and as a cult.
G >
G > People like to spout off about how they hate the
G > JW's because of how they proselytize, going
G > door to door like salesmen.
G >
G > Hating them is almost a sport, like griping
G > about commissary food or hating Barney.
G >
G > It's almost a cheap shot to hate religion
G > on usenet with the mobs of raging atheists
G > bitching about every religion, and the
G > population of high functioning autism cases.
G >
G > Do your wife (?) and you have a religion now?
G >
G > Or have you joined the hoards of atheists?
G >
G > Do you consider all religions to be cults
G > or do you have some magical formula
G > for determining which ones are cults
G > and which ones are not?
AR > Do your own research. I'm not your secretary.
MM > The question is valid.
> >>>> Antonio you are very hostile for somebody
> >>>> who is supposed to be an active JW.
>
> >>> In the 30 years as a JW, I never met any JW who acted like him.
>
> >> Is it true that you tried going to the Police about Antonio?
>
> > No.
>
> That was Carol.
>
> >> Is it true that you wrote to his ELDERS?
>
> > Yes.
>
> >>> I have known dozens of nice people who got
> >>> disfellowshipped for idiotic reasons, yet
> >>> Antonio continues unabated?
>
> >> What exactly were YOU disfellowshipped for, AR?
>
> > I wasn't.
>
> >> And your wife (?) ?
> > Sorry, I don't swap. You're in the wrong newsgroup.
Was your wife disfellowshipped?
Is Carol your wife, Fred?
AR > I wasn't. Bye for now, Toots.
G > Why are you running a FIFTEEN YEAR
G > campaign of hate against JW's?
G > What are your religions now, AR and Carol?
MM > AR said he walked away disgruntled.
MM > I did notice he still use military
MM > slurs ( I am a bit of a historian)
Some guys do that to seem like a badass.
Annointed Remnant
>
>Annointed Remnant wrote:
>>In article <2649444a-0e32-41fd...@k15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
>> Greegor says...
>>
>>
>> a serial killer. Do you agree with that
>> comparison?
>
>I don't, IMHO I don't think that was the
>case. I think the comparison had to do with
>perception. A soldier kills. A serial
>killer kills. it what defines them give
>them the definition of monster or saviour
>in the public eye. I think Antonio was
>saying that a person who kills---kills---
>and thus AR has the same right to be a
>JW as the serial killer does.
So, if a policeman kills someone in the line of duty, he is a murderer? If
someone attacks your wife or daughter with intent to kill and you kill him, you
are a murderer? If a soldier kills someone who is an enemy to the state, he is
a murderer? If that's what you believe, our conversations are going to end
shortly.
>Look at Jesus, was he not killed by
>Roman soldiers?
No. The soldiers were carrying out the execution demanded by the court which
was influenced by false testimony.
>> Worthwhile to whom? Do you know any Christian church that calls military
>> veterans, serial killers?
>
>Of course, the losing side. I know, I live
>in a country that lost the war, my parents
>tell me of Americans that rapes the girls
>on the country side or turn them into
>hookers, they weren't refering to tourist.
>When American lose a war, then you will do
>the same.
The American military does not condone rape. There were several Americans
executed during WWII for rape, a justifiable punishment in my opinion. There is
absolutely no excuse for rape - none at all. As far as hookers are concerned,
no military turns anyone into hookers. There were hookers then and there were
hookers before then and there are hookers now.
>> You can talk about apples and he will
>> divert the discussion to child molestation
>> or rape or murder. There is only one
>> reason I can think of why he is so
>> possessed with such topics and why he
>> believes those who are guilty of such
>> crimes should not only go unpunished but
>> be protected by his church elders.
>
>I wonder
>> Firstly, I was never an elder, nor have
>> I ever said that I was. Secondly, it is
>> most appropriate to expose a dangerous
>> cult.
>
>I want to be sincere with this question
>since I do ahve a high respect for you. Do
>you hunt JW's or all cults--pagans?--for
>example.
I don't hunt anyone. I would like to help get anyone out of the JW cult,
because it is personal to me and I know a great deal about it.
>Interesting. Beside his writing style,
>please inform me how is he supposed to
>behave?
I mentioned it before; there are hundreds of rules he has to follow to be
considered a JW in good standing. There is also this from the Bible: "On the
other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering,
kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control."
>> No. It's guilt. You can see the guilt
>> oozing from his comments. Normal people
>> do not want child molesters and rapists
>> to be protected.
>>
>
>Do you know here in Palermo, the Law
>protect child molesters. If they go
>to prision, and do their time, they
>get police protection. Where I work,
>our Personnel dept is not allowed to
>divulge the past of the reformed.
>You see we have strong sentiments and
>we will not hesitate to cut off the
>ball of a known molester. So you see
>why they need police protection.
>Would you insinuate our constable
>enjoy protecting the shit-heads?
No, I would not insinuate that at all. Here in the US, pictures of child
molesters are posted in public government buildings and on web sites.
Greegor
wrote:
> In article <ef59b02c-c619-408e-ba40-eea34bed2...@u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>,
Sure I do, the term is used by any denomination
to describe whatever denomination or faith
they despise the most.
People tend to call "those guys" a cult
and refuse to consider how their own
conforms to the same definition.
If the JW faith itself is so terribly WRONG
then why were you a member FOR THIRTY YEARS??
Were you weak willed, AR?
> >> >> JWs do not. They believe that Christ
> >> >> is a separate, lessor God. This is an
> >> >> Arianistic belief that is separate
> >> >> from all Trinitarian Christians.
>
> >G > So, What variation of BAPTIST are you now?
>
> >AR > What variation of idiot are you?
> >Again, if you want to run a hate campaign against
> >cults, you would do better to be more open about
> >your own religion, your motivations and how
> >you became so motivated to run a 15 year
> >hate campaign.
>
> I have already explained that in detail.
> Sorry you missed it.
Could you please post a LINK to this opus?
AR > What's your drug of choice?
No thanks. See F 2
Kent's stock deceptions/logical fallacies (7/28/2010)
F. Ad Hominem calling opponents
1. Drunks or drunk drivers
2. Druggies or on drugs
3. Mentally Ill often as result of drug use
G. Res Judicata
1. Already conceded to Kent's argument
2. Question already asked and answered.
H. Fallacy of Suppressed Evidence
1a. Missing Middle, False Dilemma, False Dichotomy, bifurcation
1b. Fallacy of Complex Question - loaded question with presupposition
2. Withholding proof saying it's already on the table
3. ""Check is in the mail"" as proof of something.
4. Proof held hostage awaiting opponents proof on something else
5. Claim that a lack of proof disproves something.
6. Claim that a lack of proof proves something.
7. Claim that asking for a LINK PROVES insult XYZ
J. strawman
1. False pretense that opponent made some idiotic argument
2. Lie claimed to be based on opponents standards
K. OUTRIGHT LIE ( doesn't fit other designations )
L. IDENTITY
1. The court records were faked as a prank. ( On 3 official sites? )
2. Anonymity - That's not my name at all!
3. Doppelganger defense - " That was some OTHER Kent B Wills."
4. Never gone to prison ( convict didn't go either! mental case? )
It's as if Kent is an automation that is WAY too simple.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/loadques.html
Since a question is not an argument, simply asking a loaded question
is not a fallacious argument. Rather, loaded questions are typically
used to trick someone into implying something they did not intend. For
instance, salespeople learn to ask such loaded questions as: "Will
that be cash or charge?" This question gives only two alternatives,
thus presuming that the potential buyer has already decided to make a
purchase, which is similar to the Black-or-White Fallacy. If the
potential buyer answers the question directly, he may suddenly find
himself an actual buyer.
G > Being evasive about your own beliefs
G > just makes you look like somebody in
G > one cult PO'd about a competing cult.
AR > I'm not evasive. Never have been.
That's what all the real cults say.
AR > So tell me about yourself. When are you
AR > going to graduate from high school?
G > Isn't evasiveness one of your criticisms
G > about cults? Lack of full disclosure?
AR > Isn't your ignorance of cults, your ignorance of cults?
You joined a 15 year hate campaign against JW's,
calling them a CULT but you are evasive about
explaining your own history and motivations.
If the JW's are so terrible then how do you explain
your THIRTY YEARS (half your life) in JW's, AR?
> >> >> The JW cult further separates itself
> >> >> by calling their leaders a governing
> >> >> body, a term used in corporations -
> >> >> not religions. They even say early
> >> >> Christian leaders who met in
> >> >> Jerusalem was called a governing body,
> >> >> which term appears no where except
> >> >> in their own version of the Bible.
G > You sure are obsessed about semantics!
AR > You sure are ignorant about religion.
G > When you get hung up about a TERM
G > and how it doesn't appear in some translation
G > of the bible, you began arguing semantics.
AR > No, Dear. When some cult adds to the
AR > Bible, they are adding to the Bible.
Who forced you into JW's?
Who forced you to stay for THIRTY YEARS?
What finally drove you out?
Did it take you 30 years to spot this problem?
> >> >> The governing body is an autocratic group
> >> >> of rulers who, through their representatives,
> >> >> enforce hundreds of rules.
>
> >You began to form a logical argument.
>
> >G > The Council of Nicaea edited which
> >G > books of the Bible to keep or throw out.
> >G > Does that bother you?
>
> >http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html
>
> >AR > I don't sleep at night because of it.
>
> >Don't you think that bit of autocratic
> >decision making has had an effect on all
> >denominations of Christianity?
>
> I think your knowledge of Christianity is abysmal.
>
> >Do you consider the weeded out books of the bible,
> >the "Gnostic Texts" to be evil and heresy?
G > I imagine the JW's consider them heresy and evil.
AR > Sure.
G > But do you, AR?
AR > No.
Did you have that difference with them
for all of your THIRTY YEARS in JW's?
Strangely, earlier on you complained about
cults adding books to the Bible.
Would that apply if somebody were
to add the Gnostic texts BACK IN??
AR > For example, a JW can be
AR > disfellowshipped for attending a birthday party.
G > Judaism and some Christian denomination use Saturday
G > as their Shabbat (Sabbath) instead of Sunday.
AR > And tadpoles turn into frogs.
G > Then WHY were you so amazed about their rules?
G > Didn't you KNOW that tadpoles turn into frogs?
G > ie: Didn't you KNOW and accept their rules
G > when you joined the JW's?
G > Did they hog tie you and force them upon you?
G > If you don't like their rules, then WHY
G > did you become one for 30 years?
AR > I see you have absolutely no concept of how cults operate.
Are you saying that despite being a 'Nam Vet
you were too soft headed to resist their sales pitch?
I had dinner with the Moonies and resisted
their sales pitch.
I stumbled across a Unitarian Universalist
sales pitch once and I resisted it laughing
quietly about all of the famous dead
people they talk to.
Even they didn't bat me over the head.
Did the JW's bat you over the head and Shanghai you, AR?
for THIRTY YEARS?
KabukiBob
> On Sep 3, 7:40 pm, "Ips-Switch" <Ips-Swi...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > This was posted by Antonio L Santana-Candia/Jabriol. All headers included
> > so he cannot claim he did not write this after he removes it from Google:
>
> > The post below was posted by Antonio L Santana
> > of the
> > Spanish Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
> > South Camden Kingdom Hall
> > 1584 8th Street
> > Camden NJ 08104
> > Phone: (856)365-0655
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ><>
>
> > Path:
> > news.albasani.net!feeder.news-service.com!postnews.google.com!l4g2000vbv.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
> > From: Shushaku <jabriol2...@gmail.com>
> > Newsgroups:
> > alt.religion.jehovahs-witn,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.fan.bob-larson,misc.legal
> > Subject: Re: Kent applied current day liberal POLITICAL CORRECTNESS to
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> > era military milieu
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> > "Shushaku" <jabriol2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >news:eaf6e62d-1fa2-4639...@l4g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 3, 9:56 am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
> > wrote:
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> > > In article <j3rdib$2s...@dont-email.me>, Parrish *~ says...
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> > > >"Polymath-Z" <jabriol2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:acd05012-29a3-485e...@n35g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> > > >On Sep 2, 11:13 am, "Parrish *~" <Par...@invalid.com> wrote:
> > > >> "Polymath-Z" <jabriol2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > >>news:d9e6af4d-5457-443a...@fe21g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> > > >> On Sep 2, 9:13 am, "Parrish *~" <Par...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> > "Greegor" <greego...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >> >news:076fea54-a86a-4384...@s7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > > >> > On Sep 1, 9:55 pm, "Parrish *~" <Par...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> > Antonio donned the language of the time
> > > >> > to ask a 'Nam Vet some hostile questions.
> > > >> > That does NOT mean that Antonio goes
> > > >> > around using that slur in general.
>
> > > >> > ::: And you know this how? You live with him
> > > >> > and follow him 24 hrs a day so feel you can
> > > >> > speak for him? What gives him the right to
> > > >> > ask "hostile" questions of a vet? Whose
> > > >> > business is it what the man did in the service
> > > >> > of story.
>
> > > Antonio asked if I had molested children or raped 'gooks' or killed
> > > anyone.
>
> > OH no you use the term "gook" that make you a racist in Carol's eyes.
>
> > > American
> > > Vietnam veterans had to endure for two decades or so. First off, no one
> > > but
> > > little children or adult retards would ask a veteran if he killed anyone.
>
> > I am sure it would have bothered you the day they ask you the baptism
> > question right? Did they ask you Fred? did any Elder ask you to
> > confess to your war crimes? all your sexual encounters with possible
> > minors before baptism? Adultery? Drug use?
>
> > You Know former elder why I asked you what I did.
>
> > > since
> > > grown up and have stopped repeating those lies. I was Airborne infantry
> > > >> killed people there? You saw him kill them?
>
> > > >What did he do in Nam, wash latrines?
>
> > > >::: If you were a REAL man you would know what
> > > >went on there. You wouldn't have to guess and
> > > >make such inane statements. Not all Americans
> > > >there were out in the Jungles.
>
> > > Ninety percent were support personnel.
>
> > To assist in killing people. So did you break the record in gook
> > killings? Did you leave any child behind with your genetic material so
> > she can be abised for not being 100% gook?
>
>
> > > >What racist comment. I was using Nam Vet speak.
>
> > > No, you were insinuating that I molested children and raped 'gooks.' If
> > > there
> > > was one thing that I could ever guarantee in this world it's that you
> > > would
> > > never say that to me face to face.
>
> > No, and you know that. I was pointing out the fact that your past no
> > for saying in your face of course I would. And your reaction would
> > land you in Jail did you not read MM reply? he he right?. By your
> > standards, these are the question an Elder should have asked you
> > before being baptized right? Bring out your dirty past in the Open,
> > then tell you you have no position in God's Kingdom, because God's
> > congregation to keep an eye on you, being a Nam Vet, you may go
> > bonkers with a flash back. To keep the congregation children away from
> > you, in one of those flash backs, you would see little gooks that need
> > to be killed. I am sure you would accept those condition to be part of
> > a squeaky clean organization huh Fred?
>
> > Gook Killer? Proud of yourself?
>
>
> Please cease the part of your arguments
> that slam AR simply for being a 'Nam vet.
>
> You got a PASS from me for using that
> racial epithet to ask questions because
> it was as you said, 'Nam vet speak.
>
> I EVEN think you had some good points
> about a soldier who performed their duty
> and how that clashes with the JW culture.
>
> But you crossed into presuming that all
> 'Nam vets are baby killers etc.
>
> I respect most veterans which is easy
> considering that so MANY relatives and
> ancestors of mine are veterans.
Liar. My father was one and you diss him when you can, hypocrite.
You "giving" him a " PASS" while at the same time criticizing him for
referring to Vietnam vets as, among other things, baby killers, is
HIGHLY hypocritical of you, considering some of the epithets YOU use
yourself, including ones regarding Kent's Roma ancestry.
When Kennie Pangborn posted vicious racial epithets, you said
nothing. When Kent had one online stalker who made racially motivated
death threats against Kent and his family, your excuse was that Eric
Ross was not a real person but a Kent sock and therefore the bigoted
threats to kill Kent's family were not real according to you.
Interesting how convenient your standards concerning epithets and
slurs seem to change in regards to whom you dislike and want targeted
yourself.
My father was a veteran and you NEVER posted a SINGLE DAMN DEFENSE for
him when Kennie was viciously attacking him in his posts to me.
You are a lying hypocrite.
Moe
>
> I ask YOU because Carol and Fred apparently
> won't answer me about how their seething
> hatred of JW's got started. Mad Monkey
> suggested they are disgruntled former JW's.
>
> Do you have any other insight into what
KabukiBob
(( snipped for brevity))
>
> > Firstly, I was never an elder, nor have I ever said that I was. Secondly, it is
> > most appropriate to expose a dangerous cult.
>
> I want to be sincere with this question since I do ahve a high respect
> for you. Do you hunt JW's or all cults--pagans?--for example.
(( rolls eyes)) I know where you are trying to lure AR to do. trying a
Jabber tactic now? Are you now his puppet?
To Jabroil:
AR believes your steering discussions to about rape and protecting
child molesters is because of your guilt. I doubt you have any guilt
whatsoever. What I DO think is your REAL purpose for all the
deliberately provoking anger posts you make on so many forums is that
you are an instigator who likes to push people's buttons, and one of
the easiest buttons to push is anger. This your posts about rape being
natural, attacking " witchcraft" when you found out I was a Wiccan and
your "gook" comment ( knowing AR served in Nam).
It also explains why you deliberately taunt Carol like you do and
make insinuations and insults. I can see your little game, one AR, MM
and Carol have taken your bait time and time again.
Back To MM:
Seeing as you are from Italy and therefore from Rome, some of your
ancestors no doubt raped my people in your vicious takeover of Gaul
and murdered a lot of my people in the process. Italy and Sicily are
the roots for the Mafia, which is in itself is not something you
should be proud of, should you?
You know as well as I do that Jabr's use of the word Gook was a
deliberate baiting attempt to provoke a reaction out of AR. I doubt
you are stupid, so you certainly should have no problem understanding
how Jabr is doing some manipulation here. Apparently you approve of
such dishonesty and dishonorable trickery.
Moe
KabukiBob
wrote:
> In article <ef59b02c-c619-408e-ba40-eea34bed2...@u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>,
He often shows the effects long term drug abuse has on the human
mind.
>
> >Exactly WHY were you disfellowshipped?
>
> When did you stop beating your wife?
Yes, Greg Hanson was married and yes he did abuse his ex-wife under
the cover that since she was mentally ill he could get away with it.
The neighbors overheard his abuses and called the police.
>
> >> >> Speaking for myself, I don't hate
> >> >> JWs; I hate the organization. They
> >> >> have ruined countless lives and
> >> >> caused many to commit suicide. The
> >> >> organization has many cult
> >> >> characteristics. In fact they prefer
> >> >> to call themselves an organization
> >> >> rather than a religion. Several
> >> >> years ago, they had a slogan,
> >> >> "Religion is a Snare and a Racket,"
>
> >And you disagree with that, AR?
>
> Disagree with what? That they have ruined countless lives and caused many to
> commit suicide? That's a fact. Whether I agree with it or not is immaterial.
Greg and facts are strangers.
>
> >> >> in an attempt to separate themselves
> >> >> from all other Christian religions,
> >> >> which they call Christendom.
>
> >G > You're making a LOT out of their use
> >G > of different terminology. (semantics)
>
> >AR > Not hardly.
>
> >Double negative?
>
> Colloquial expression.
Greg has a problem with the English language beyond that of a sixth
grade level. And I am being generous when I say that. He will copy and
paste things that make him sound more erudite and gets email help from
a buddy, but by himself he really shows his illiteracy.
>
> >> >> All JWs are required to be loyal
> >> >> to the 'organization.' They say they
> >> >> worship their God, Jehovah, yet they
> >> >> call themselves, Christians.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh
>
> >Yahweh is the name of the biblical god.
> >[...]
> >When transcribing the Tetragrammaton,
> >the vocalization Jehovah has been popular
> >in particular in Protestantism from the
> >time of the Reformation.
>
> Have you ever had your elevator go to the top floor? Most Christians believe in
> a trinitarian God, The Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost. Jehovah's Witnesses
> do not. Wikipedia it, son.
Heck, even _I_ knew that one. That is a basic Christian doctrine, of
the Nicene Creed in fact. And see, I'm not even a Christian.
>
> >> > So you must hate Catholics also, not
> >> > to mention Buddhists.
>
> >AR > Comparative religions was not one of your strong points, was it?
>
> >Only at university.
>
> I believe you... heh.
I doubt Hanson ever STAYED long enough " at university" to actually
learn anything, assuming he ever attended one, that is.
>
>
>
> >AR > True Christians worship the Christ;
>
> >G > Is that some church dogma, definition
> >G > or your personal belief?
>
> >AR > You guess. If you chose the right
> >> answer you get a lollipop.
>
> >Who do you think gets to decide what
> >Christians are true?
>
> >Come on, if you're going to run a hate
> >campaign against cults you're not going
> >to do well to act very evasive about
> >your definition of a cult, are you, AR?
>
> >These are softball questions, really.
>
> So, you admit you have no idea what a cult is?
He doesn't. He's trying to make you play his game.
>
> >> >> JWs do not. They believe that Christ
> >> >> is a separate, lessor God. This is an
> >> >> Arianistic belief that is separate
> >> >> from all Trinitarian Christians.
>
> >G > So, What variation of BAPTIST are you now?
>
> >AR > What variation of idiot are you?
>
> >Again, if you want to run a hate campaign against
> >cults, you would do better to be more open about
> >your own religion, your motivations and how
> >you became so motivated to run a 15 year
> >hate campaign.
>
> I have already explained that in detail. Sorry you missed it. What's your drug
> of choice?
Considering his obsessive compulsive repetition, I'd say he huffed
spray paint...
>
> >Being evasive about your own beliefs
> >just makes you look like somebody in
> >one cult PO'd about a competing cult.
>
> I'm not evasive. Never have been. So tell me about yourself. When are you
> going to graduate from highschool?
Hanson is in his fifties. He's a bum. I rather doubt he even squeaked
by to graduate high school.
>
> >Isn't evasiveness one of your criticisms
> >about cults? Lack of full disclosure?
>
> Isn't your ignorance of cults, your ignorance of cults?
(( smirks))
>
>
>
> >> >> The JW cult further separates itself
> >> >> by calling their leaders a governing
> >> >> body, a term used in corporations -
> >> >> not religions. They even say early
> >> >> Christian leaders who met in
> >> >> Jerusalem was called a governing body,
> >> >> which term appears no where except
> >> >> in their own version of the Bible.
>
> >G > You sure are obsessed about semantics!
>
> >AR > You sure are ignorant about religion.
>
> >When you get hung up about a TERM
> >and how it doesn't appear in some translation
> >of the bible, you began arguing semantics.
>
> No, Dear. When some cult adds to the Bible, they are adding to the Bible.
Indeed. Mormons do that. What Hanson apparently does not know is that
according to Christian theology about the Bible, if you "add" or "
subtract" from it, you are in effect committing at the very least a
heresy. IOW a false teaching or a sin. But Hanson wouldn't know that.
Ironically I do and I never was a Christian.
>
>
>
> >> >> The governing body is an autocratic group
> >> >> of rulers who, through their representatives,
> >> >> enforce hundreds of rules.
>
> >You began to form a logical argument.
>
> >G > The Council of Nicaea edited which
> >G > books of the Bible to keep or throw out.
> >G > Does that bother you?
>
> >http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html
>
> >AR > I don't sleep at night because of it.
>
> >Don't you think that bit of autocratic
> >decision making has had an effect on all
> >denominations of Christianity?
>
> I think your knowledge of Christianity is abysmal.
Hanson's knowledge of a number of things is pretty low.
>
> >Do you consider the weeded out books of the bible,
> >the "Gnostic Texts" to be evil and heresy?
>
> >I imagine the JW's consider them heresy and evil.
>
> Sure.
But then the JWs consider a lot of sane things to be evil, as do some
other extreme Christian sects/cults.
>
> >But do you, AR?
>
> No.
Greg, he said he doesn't follow the JWs. DUH!!
>
>
>
> >AR > For example, a JW can be
> >AR > disfellowshipped for attending a birthday party.
>
> >G > Judaism and some Christian denomination use Saturday
> >G > as their Shabbat (Sabbath) instead of Sunday.
>
> >AR > And tadpoles turn into frogs.
>
> >Then WHY were you so amazed about their rules?
>
> >> Didn't you KNOW that tadpoles turn into frogs?
>
> >ie: Didn't you KNOW and accept their rules
> >when you joined the JW's?
>
> >Did they hog tie you and force them upon you?
>
> >If you don't like their rules, then WHY
> >did you become one for 30 years?
>
> I see you have absolutely no concept of how cults operate.
He doesn't. He's just fishing to see what personal info he can trick
you to reveal for him.
Gregory Scott Hanson is no religion scholar nor is he informed about
comparative religion or the characteristics and definitions of cults.
He really isn't very intelligent.
>
> >And why did they disfellowship you, AR ?
>
> When did you stop beating your wife?
When she divorced him.
Moe
MadMonkey
But you did. And he made you do it. Which was my point a few posts ago.
>>>> And While AR written to the Branch of JW
>>>> in NYC, the matter will just be referred
>>>> to the local BOE, because Carol and him
>>>> wrote to them, they are fully aware and
>>>> most likely reading Usenet from time to
>>>> time, and I have already made full
>>>> disclousre of what I do.
>>>
>>> Full disclosure? You're a lying sack of shit.
>>> If you get disfellowshipped it
>>> is because of your actions, so stop whining.
>>
>> You see AR, do you really see what happened?
>> You are guessing.
>
> No, I'm not. Stop pretending you know how the Jehovah's Witnesses operate.
I don't, But I know how people operate. My daily pasta relies on me
knowing. There is a reason I look at AUK. People are people, and no
matter what motivations they serve, they are people. JW or vietnam vet.
>
>> I think the man is telling the truth but
>> in such a way, it distract you and Carol.
>> Remember Poe? he had a saying 'hide in
>> plain sight'
>
> How do you hide with "full disclosure?" Full disclosure would be to tell the
> elders that he does not believe in any supernatural God - including Jehovah.
And you and do not know this. But as I understand JW are not creationist
and do not believe in magic. So Antonio may be giving out how JW vieew
their god.
> Full disclosure would mean that he threatened and terrorized an elderly woman.
Beside Carol re-post material I haven't seen any threat. Does he play
her fears, yes. Threats no. Don't you think if these threats were valid,
Antonio would be sitting in a cell?
MadMonkey
> In article <4e641164$1...@news.x-privat.org>, MadMonkey says...
>>
>> Annointed Remnant wrote:
>>> In article <2649444a-0e32-41fd...@k15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Greegor says...
>>>
>>>
>>> Antonio is comparing a decorated vet with
>>> a serial killer. Do you agree with that
>>> comparison?
>>
>> I don't, IMHO I don't think that was the
>> case. I think the comparison had to do with
>> perception. A soldier kills. A serial
>> killer kills. it what defines them give
>> them the definition of monster or saviour
>> in the public eye. I think Antonio was
>> saying that a person who kills---kills---
>> and thus AR has the same right to be a
>> JW as the serial killer does.
>
> So, if a policeman kills someone in the line of duty, he is a murderer? If
> someone attacks your wife or daughter with intent to kill and you kill him, you
> are a murderer? If a soldier kills someone who is an enemy to the state, he is
> a murderer? If that's what you believe, our conversations are going to end
> shortly.
>
I wrote kill, which is a verb. I excluded the reason behind "killing"
And some consatables will lose thier Job if their killing in the line of
duty was not justified by others in their command structure.
I read many soldiers went to prison during the Iraq war for killing the
enemy not according to ,military protocol.
>> Look at Jesus, was he not killed by
>> Roman soldiers?
>
> No. The soldiers were carrying out the execution demanded by the court which
> was influenced by false testimony.
doesn't matter they killed Jesus. Call it as You may.
>
>>> Worthwhile to whom? Do you know any Christian church that calls military
>>> veterans, serial killers?
>>
>> Of course, the losing side. I know, I live
>> in a country that lost the war, my parents
>> tell me of Americans that rapes the girls
>> on the country side or turn them into
>> hookers, they weren't refering to tourist.
>> When American lose a war, then you will do
>> the same.
>
> The American military does not condone rape. There were several Americans
> executed during WWII for rape, a justifiable punishment in my opinion. There is
> absolutely no excuse for rape - none at all. As far as hookers are concerned,
> no military turns anyone into hookers. There were hookers then and there were
> hookers before then and there are hookers now.
>
Rememebr what I wrote about the losing side? it does not matter if it is
true or not. I was answering your question. Someone Hero is another
person killer, or murderer. George Washington would be a terrorist, if
he lost the revolutionary war. As I wrote ---perception---
>>> You can talk about apples and he will
>>> divert the discussion to child molestation
>>> or rape or murder. There is only one
>>> reason I can think of why he is so
>>> possessed with such topics and why he
>>> believes those who are guilty of such
>>> crimes should not only go unpunished but
>>> be protected by his church elders.
>>
>> I wonder
>
>
>>> Firstly, I was never an elder, nor have
>>> I ever said that I was. Secondly, it is
>>> most appropriate to expose a dangerous
>>> cult.
>>
>> I want to be sincere with this question
>> since I do ahve a high respect for you. Do
>> you hunt JW's or all cults--pagans?--for
>> example.
>
> I don't hunt anyone. I would like to help get anyone out of the JW cult,
> because it is personal to me and I know a great deal about it.
>
Probably, but not as much you thought you did.
>> Interesting. Beside his writing style,
>> please inform me how is he supposed to
>> behave?
>
> I mentioned it before; there are hundreds of rules he has to follow to be
> considered a JW in good standing. There is also this from the Bible: "On the
> other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering,
> kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control."
>
And how does a JW apply these, by being a mind controlled drone? I doubt it.
>>> No. It's guilt. You can see the guilt
>>> oozing from his comments. Normal people
>>> do not want child molesters and rapists
>>> to be protected.
>>>
>>
>> Do you know here in Palermo, the Law
>> protect child molesters. If they go
>> to prision, and do their time, they
>> get police protection. Where I work,
>> our Personnel dept is not allowed to
>> divulge the past of the reformed.
>> You see we have strong sentiments and
>> we will not hesitate to cut off the
>> ball of a known molester. So you see
>> why they need police protection.
>> Would you insinuate our constable
>> enjoy protecting the shit-heads?
>
> No, I would not insinuate that at all. Here in the US, pictures of child
> molesters are posted in public government buildings and on web sites.
>
Yes here as well. But once they are caught, things may change, and due
to our culture,mechanism are in place, when a molester is actually a
sick individual. I do not want to give out too much of what I do, it
will give Carol an opportunity for an out of context personal attack,
but part of my Job is working with adults who has down syndrome and
autism. You do have among their ranks those who molest children. Down
syndrome individual can't control their sexual drives, Like chimps when
the urge hit, it hits, I've been bruised many a time getting those in
heat apart. Autistic there is more control, still they normally don't
care about who is a "minor" or not.
I also understand Antonio "rape argument" maybe not proper for some, but
understandable. So "Normal" people need to understand how adnormal
people think and why they behave as they do --part of why I am on AUK---