Illegal woman sues govt to get medical care for unborn child
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/09/01/undocumented-woman-sues-to-get-medical-attention-for-her-unborn-child/#ixzz1WnTnJRJG
Undocumented Woman Sues to Get Medical Attention for her Unborn Child
Published September 02, 2011
A pregnant undocumented woman in Nebraska filed a lawsuit against the
state government and legislature in which she argues that the mother's
immigration situation must not result in the denial of medical care
for her unborn baby.
The woman, using the pseudonym "Sarah Roe," has three other children
and loves with her husband in Lancaster County, where she filed the
suit last week.
The suit contends that the Nebraska Medical Assistance Act includes
unborn babies in the category of children under 19 who qualify to
receive free medical treatment without regard to the immigration
situation of their parents.
In June, a law went into force in Nebraska prohibiting the provision
of free prenatal medical services to undocumented foreigners.
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Reckless drivers are a bigger threat to you than all other criminals
put together!
NAACP = Negro Affirmative Action, Caucasian Persecution
brad herschel
beloved Church will take on their care.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers
these criminal parasites who have already destroyed CA and have their
sights on the other 49.
Mrs Irish Mike
We aren't "coddeling". The conditions many of these people live and
work in would bring tears to your eyes.
The wealthy get richer by employing undocumented workers. Wages for
the rest of the middle class are depressed. Instead of wanting to
punish the poor who are only looking for a better life for themselves
and their children, we should be going after those who employ these
people. Throw a dozen are so in prison and poof, there goes the whole
problem. No jobs, no mass migration.
But to attack the poor, you come across as a bully. The wealthy laugh
at the infighting for the few crumbs left for all but the top 10% of
the population.
Gray Ghost
c2ec10...@t20g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
So shoot the people that hire the "undocumented" workers ie invaders and
ship the invaders home.
--
Words of wisdom
What does not kill you... probably didn't cause enough tissue damage.
Bill Graham
> On Sep 4, 8:22 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers"
> <threeb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> The wealthy get richer by employing undocumented workers.
If they are here, aned looiking for work, then I, and others, will employ
them. It is not our re3sponsibility to police undocument people. That's the
government's job, and we pay a big tax bill to then for doing it. If they
can't do it, then whose fault is that? I will employ anyone who comes to my
door looking for work. For sure, those "documented" bums who live down under
the freeway overpass smoking dope won't ever come to my door asking for
work. They are too busy collecting their unemployment checks. It is
significant to me, that since I have been retired, the only people who have
come to my door asking for work are Mexicans who can barely speak English.
And they always do a good job for the money I pay them.
Strabo
If the Feds catch you, you'll go to jail. If the Alien Vigilante
Rectification
Committee catches you, well....
Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)
"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . .
reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . .
. residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided
. . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . .
fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."
Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality
Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):
A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or
local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:
* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in
the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting,
sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or
* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him
or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer
in any way, or
* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.
Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and
forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime.
Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying
his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens
and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest,
detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition,
individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that
commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject
to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.
Recruitment and Employment of Illegal Aliens
It is unlawful to hire an alien, to recruit an alien, or to refer
an alien for a fee, knowing the alien is unauthorized to work in the
United States. It is equally unlawful to continue to employ an alien
knowing that the alien is unauthorized to work. Employers may give
preference in recruitment and hiring to a U.S. citizen over an alien
with work authorization only where the U.S. citizen is equally or better
qualified. It is unlawful to hire an individual for employment in the
United States without complying with employment eligibility verification
requirements. Requirements include examination of identity documents and
completion of Form I-9 for every employee hired. Employers must retain
all I-9s, and, with three days' advance notice, the forms must be made
available for inspection. Employment includes any service or labor
performed for any type of remuneration within the United States, with
the exception of sporadic domestic service by an individual in a private
home. Day laborers or other casual workers engaged in any compensated
activity (with the above exception) are employees for purposes of
immigration law. An employer includes an agent or anyone acting directly
or indirectly in the interest of the employer. For purposes of
verfication of authorization to work, employer also means an independent
contractor, or a contractor other than the person using the alien labor.
The use of temporary or short-term contracts cannot be used to
circumvent the employment authorization verification requirements. If
employment is to be for less than the usual three days allowed for
completing the I-9 Form requirement, the form must be completed
immediately at the time of hire.
An employer has constructive knowledge that an employee is an
illegal unauthorized worker if a reasonable person would infer it from
the facts. Constructive knowledge constituting a violation of federal
law has been found where (1) the I-9 employment eligibility form has not
been properly completed, including supporting documentation, (2) the
employer has learned from other individuals, media reports, or any
source of information available to the employer that the alien is
unauthorized to work, or (3) the employer acts with reckless disregard
for the legal consequences of permitting a third party to provide or
introduce an illegal alien into the employer's work force. Knowledge
cannot be inferred solely on the basis of an individual's accent or
foreign appearance.
Actual specific knowledge is not required. For example, a newspaper
article stating that ballrooms depend on an illegal alien work force of
dance hostesses was held by the courts to be a reasonable ground for
suspicion that unlawful conduct had occurred.
IT IS ILLEGAL FOR NONPROFIT OR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS to knowingly
assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, REGARDLESS OF CLAIMS
THAT THEIR CONVICTIONS REQUIRE THEM TO ASSIST ALIENS. Harboring or
aiding illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment. It is a
felony to establish a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading
any provision of federal immigration law. Violators may be fined or
imprisoned for up to five years.
Encouraging and Harboring Illegal Aliens
It is a violation of law for any person to conceal, harbor, or
shield from detection in any place, including any building or means of
transportation, any alien who is in the United States in violation of
law. HARBORING MEANS ANY CONDUCT THAT TENDS TO SUBSTANTIALLY FACILITATE
AN ALIEN TO REMAIN IN THE U.S. ILLEGALLY. The sheltering need not be
clandestine, and harboring covers aliens arrested outdoors, as well as
in a building. This provision includes harboring an alien who entered
the U.S. legally but has since lost his legal status.
An employer can be convicted of the felony of harboring illegal
aliens who are his employees if he takes actions in reckless disregard
of their illegal status, such as ordering them to obtain false
documents, altering records, obstructing INS inspections, or taking
other actions that facilitate the alien's illegal employment. Any person
who within any 12-month period hires ten or more individuals with actual
knowledge that they are illegal aliens or unauthorized workers is guilty
of felony harboring. It is also a felony to encourage or induce an alien
to come to or reside in the U.S. knowing or recklessly disregarding the
fact that the alien's entry or residence is in violation of the law.
This crime applies to any person, rather than just employers of illegal
aliens. Courts have ruled that "encouraging" includes counseling illegal
aliens to continue working in the U.S. or assisting them to complete
applications with false statements or obvious errors. The fact that the
alien is a refugee fleeing persecution is not a defense to this felony,
since U.S. law and the UN Protocol on Refugees both require that a
refugee must report to immigration authorities without delay upon entry
to the U.S.
The penalty for felony harboring is a fine and imprisonment for up
to five years. The penalty for felony alien smuggling is a fine and up
to ten years' imprisonment. Where the crime causes serious bodily injury
or places the life of any person in jeopardy, the penalty is a fine and
up to twenty years' imprisonment. If the criminal smuggling or harboring
results in the death of any person, the penalty can include life
imprisonment. Convictions for aiding, abetting, or conspiracy to commit
alien smuggling or harboring, carry the same penalties. Courts can
impose consecutive prison sentences for each alien smuggled or harbored.
A court may order a convicted smuggler to pay restitution if the alien
smuggled qualifies as a victim under the Victim and Witness Protection
Act. Conspiracy to commit crimes of sheltering, harboring, or employing
illegal aliens is a separate federal offense punishable by a fine of up
to $10,000 or five years' imprisonment.
Enforcement
A person or entity having knowledge of a violation or potential
violation of employer sanctions provisions may submit a signed written
complaint to the INS office with jurisdiction over the business or
residence of the potential violator, whether an employer, employee, or
agent. The complaint must include the names and addresses of both the
complainant and the violator, and detailed factual allegations,
including date, time, and place of the potential violation, and the
specific conduct alleged to be a violation of employer sanctions. By
regulation, the INS will only investigate third-party complaints that
have a reasonable probability of validity. Designated INS officers and
employees, and all other officers whose duty it is to enforce criminal
laws, may make an arrest for violation of smuggling or harboring illegal
aliens.
State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to
investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without
prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are authorized to do so
by state law. There is no extant federal limitation on this authority.
The 1996 immigration control legislation passed by Congress was intended
to encourage states and local agencies to participate in the process of
enforcing federal immigration laws. Immigration officers and local law
enforcement officers may detain an individual for a brief warrantless
interrogation where circumstances create a reasonable suspicion that the
individual is illegally present in the U.S. Specific facts constituting
a reasonable suspicion include evasive, nervous, or erratic behavior;
dress or speech indicating foreign citizenship; and presence in an area
known to contain a concentration of illegal aliens. Hispanic appearance
alone is not sufficient. Immigration officers and police must have a
valid warrant or valid employer's consent to enter workplaces or
residences. Any vehicle used to transport or harbor illegal aliens, or
used as a substantial part of an activity that encourages illegal aliens
to come to or reside in the U.S. may be seized by an immigration officer
and is subject to forfeiture. The forfeiture power covers any
conveyances used within the U.S.
RICO -- Citizen Recourse
Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain
injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or
actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud
statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations
(RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of
two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any
individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal
entity but are associated in fact, AND CAN INCLUDE NONPROFIT ASSOCIATIONS.
Tax Crimes
Employers who aid or abet the preparation of false tax returns by
failing to pay income or Social Security taxes for illegal alien
employees, or who knowingly make payments using false names or Social
Security numbers, are subject to IRS criminal and civil sanctions. U.S.
nationals who have suffered intentional discrimination because of
citizenship or national origin by an employer with more than three
employees may file a complaint within 180 days of the discriminatory act
with the Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment
Practices, U.S. Department of Justice. In additon to the federal
statutes summarized, state laws and local ordinances controlling fair
labor practices, workers compensation, zoning, safe housing and rental
property, nuisance, licensing, street vending, and solicitations by
contractors may also apply to activities that involve illegal aliens.
.
Bill Graham
reliably identifies just who is a US citizen, all the above is utter B.S.
Just how is one to know who is illegal and who is not? It is ridiculously
easy for anyone to forge a birth certificate, and use it to get a driver's
license. And driver's licenses are the current means of identifying illegal
aliens. The government seems perfectly willing to compromise their use as
proof of ability to operate a vehicle by using them for non-illegal
identification. IOW, the laws are all screwed up, as any lawyer worth his
sale can prove. The burden of proof that anyone I hire is illegal, or that
I had reason to know that they are illegal rests on the government, and,
since there is no reliable way to identify anyone in this country, they will
have a hell of a time putting any individual like me in jail. Now, were I to
hire people to work in a factory and neglect to register them with the IRS,
that would be a different story. But to just hire them for a day, or part of
a day to do yard work for me? Give me a break! During most of my life, the
government has been so money hungry that as long as income taxes were paid,
nobody gave a damn whether one's workers were legal or not. Now, today, when
we are 14 trillion dollars in debt, suddenly they are cracking down on
illegals? I think their priorities are a bit screwed up, don't you? What
they really care about is getting those tax dollars. Taxing us two and even
three times on the same money isn't good enough for them. They want me to
pay taxes every time I take my wallet out of my left rear pocket and put it
in the right rear pocket......
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers
>
> We aren't "coddeling". The conditions many of these people live and
> work in would bring tears to your eyes.
>
Oh STFU. You're just a corporate shill paid to come here and support
these parasites who steal jobs, benefits, and identities from
americans. Plus they kill thousands of americans every year by their
serial DUI.
plainolamerican
---
fund your own charities
deport these criminals asap by any means necessary
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers
You just admitted you're a criminal who knowingly hires illegals.!!!
Why don't you do us a favor and shoot yourself.?
plainolamerican
---
that makes you and others criminals who will face prison time and
large fines
it also makes you something other than an American
Haym Solomon
I have driven through such areas (such as around Lake Okeechobee in
Florida) and Mrs. Irish is right. it was reminiscent of the slave
quarters I saw in Monticello.
Strabo
> Strabo wrote:
>> On 9/5/2011 6:09 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>>>> On Sep 4, 8:22 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers"
>>>> <threeb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The wealthy get richer by employing undocumented workers.
>>>
>>> If they are here, aned looiking for work, then I, and others, will
>>> employ them. It is not our re3sponsibility to police undocument
>>> people. That's the government's job, and we pay a big tax bill to
>>> then for doing it. If they can't do it, then whose fault is that? I
>>> will employ anyone who comes to my door looking for work. For sure,
>>> those "documented" bums who live down under the freeway overpass
>>> smoking dope won't ever come to my door asking for work. They are
>>> too busy collecting their unemployment checks. It is significant to
>>> me, that since I have been retired, the only people who have come to
>>> my door asking for work are Mexicans who can barely speak English.
>>> And they always do a good job for the money I pay them.
>>>
>>
>> If the Feds catch you, you'll go to jail. If the Alien Vigilante
>> Rectification
>> Committee catches you, well....
>>
>>
>> Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
>>
>> Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)
> Unless and until the government comes up with a national ID card that
> reliably identifies just who is a US citizen, all the above is utter
> B.S. Just how is one to know who is illegal and who is not?
>
I see you're still pushing that national ID crap.
1. Your national ID idea will accomplish no more than will the new
state ID requirements.
2. The federal government is the problem. No rational person relies
on it.
>
> It is
> ridiculously easy for anyone to forge a birth certificate, and use it to
> get a driver's license.
>
There's three ways to do it.
1 - One can impersonate another who has bona fide documents and use these.
2 - One can make fake documents and hope no one looks closely.
3 - Or, one can use documentation manufactured by certain government
agencies.
Most states have tightened requirements and effectively eliminate #1 and #2.
It takes more than a birth certificate to get license. Most citizens
have no problem
demonstrating their bona fides and those few that do can establish
authenticity by tracing
residency history and through personal affirmation.
IMO 99% of illegal aliens stand out like sore thumbs.
>
> And driver's licenses are the current means of
> identifying illegal aliens. The government seems perfectly willing to
> compromise their use as proof of ability to operate a vehicle by using
> them for non-illegal identification. IOW, the laws are all screwed up,
> as any lawyer worth his sale can prove.
>
> The burden of proof that anyone
> I hire is illegal, or that I had reason to know that they are illegal
> rests on the government, and, since there is no reliable way to identify
> anyone in this country, they will have a hell of a time putting any
> individual like me in jail.
>
> Now, were I to hire people to work in a
> factory and neglect to register them with the IRS, that would be a
> different story. But to just hire them for a day, or part of a day to do
> yard work for me? Give me a break! During most of my life, the
> government has been so money hungry that as long as income taxes were
> paid, nobody gave a damn whether one's workers were legal or not. Now,
> today, when we are 14 trillion dollars in debt, suddenly they are
> cracking down on illegals? I think their priorities are a bit screwed
> up, don't you? What they really care about is getting those tax dollars.
> Taxing us two and even three times on the same money isn't good enough
> for them. They want me to pay taxes every time I take my wallet out of
> my left rear pocket and put it in the right rear pocket......
>
Times have changed.
Government(s) has shot its wad. Whatever it used to do or why, is academic.
The people are fed up with lies and corruption and understand their
perilous
situation. It's only a matter of time until a massive backlash occurs.
Mrs Irish Mike
> >
>
> Times have changed.
>
> Government(s) has shot its wad. Whatever it used to do or why, is academic.
> The people are fed up with lies and corruption and understand their
> perilous
> situation. It's only a matter of time until a massive backlash occurs.
America has always allowed immigration, legally. Because of the large
numbers of illegal immigrants, legal immigrant numbers are reduced.
America has a problem with demographics. The Baby Boomers are getting
old and there are not enough young people to care for them all.
Legal immigration could bulk up the numbers of workers needed.
But illegal immigrants have nothing vested in America. They are not
given the rights and responsibilities of legal resident, let alone a
citizen.
No freaking way can you deport 12 million people. It would be perhaps
the greatest migration in the history of the planet.
To stop illegal immigration we must start throwing the employers in
prison and have them forfeit their ill-gotten gains.
Bill Graham
Pardon me, but I don't, "knowingly hire illegals". I haven't a clue whether
they are illegal or not. They drive, because they get here via pick-up
truck, so they probably have driver's licenses, and as far as I know, there
is no other identification required of any citizen in this country besides a
drivers license. For sure, that's the only identification I carry in my own
wallet.
This is my point. The government expects us to do their police work for
them, but doesn't provide us with any way to seperate the legals from the
illegals we are supposed to be policing. As usual and as expected, they (the
government) are a bunch of illogical screw ups.
Bill Graham
As I said above:
Bill Graham
I'm not so sure. I am convinced that most of my fellow Americans are very
stupid. Especially the ones who call themselves "liberals". These idiots
all seem to believe the government is all knowing, all powerful and
uncorruptable. - Kind of like God. They laugh at the conservatives who
believe in a god, but they are even stupider.... They think the government
is god....:^)
Bill Graham
Its simple economics. When those hippies down under the freeway come to my
door and give me a decent days work for their money, then I will stop hiring
the Mexacans. But until then, just what do you expect? I am 76 and can't do
a lot of things around my property anymore. I have to hire those who are
willing to do it for me. My government takes my tax dollars and gives it to
bums for doing nothing but smoke dope. Then, when I am forced to hire
illegal Mexicans, they are angry with me. give me a break! I not only
didn't create this situation, but I had no part in continuing it. If I had
my way, I would enslave the dumb liberals who are responsible for it.
(except they are too stupid to be able to do the work)
Thomas Lockheed
<wilm...@gmail.com> wrote in:
> No freaking way can you deport 12 million people. It would be perhaps
> the greatest migration in the history of the planet.
Stop all HUD subsidized housing, Food Stamps and all welfare programs.
End all tax deductions for children and all so-called Earned Income
Credits. Issue every person in the country that is not a citizen a green
card so we can collect income taxes. You will see millions of undocumented
workers and their families self deport.
We could even offer them a one way ticket by bus or airplane to their
home land.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers
>
> No freaking way can you deport 12 million people. It would be perhaps
> the greatest migration in the history of the planet.
>
away their incentives to come here and they'll self-deport. This is a
very easy problem to solve.
1. End birthright citizenship
2.. Deny all govt benefits to illegals especially free health care at
ERs and free school for illegal kids
3. Mandate e-verify for all jobs
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers
wrote:
>
> I have driven through such areas (such as around Lake Okeechobee in
> Florida) and Mrs. Irish is right. it was reminiscent of the slave
> quarters I saw in Monticello.
They're not slaves. They chose to come here and steal from
americans. Hang all illegals before they destroy america like they
did california.
Haym Solomon
want to deport them all. However, "hanging"? Really now! Get a life.
don Gabacho
<threeb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 6, 9:37 pm, Mrs Irish Mike <wilma6...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > No freaking way can you deport 12 million people. It would be perhaps
> > the greatest migration in the history of the planet.
>
> It's more like 40 million and we don't have to deport them. Just take
> away their incentives to come here and they'll self-deport. This is a
> very easy problem to solve.
>
> 1. End birthright citizenship
That's ludicrous. Colonists including their children are colonists.
> 2.. Deny all govt benefits to illegals especially free health care at
> ERs and free school for illegal kids
>
> 3. Mandate e-verify for all jobs
As long as the Mexican Government's consulates and its allied Latino
government's consulates are in the USA, that won't happen.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers
> On Sep 7, 11:54 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers"
>
> <threeb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 6, 9:37 pm, Mrs Irish Mike <wilma6...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > No freaking way can you deport 12 million people. It would be perhaps
> > > the greatest migration in the history of the planet.
>
> > It's more like 40 million and we don't have to deport them. Just take
> > away their incentives to come here and they'll self-deport. This is a
> > very easy problem to solve.
>
> > 1. End birthright citizenship
>
> That's ludicrous. Colonists including their children are colonists.
>
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers
coming here and then they steal jobs, benefits, and identities from
americans. Plus they kill americans every day by their drunk driving
and speeding on our highways. Hang them and with a short drop.
Mrs Irish Mike
<threeb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
.
>
> Unlike you, i am no criminal coddler. These illegals broke the law
> coming here and then they steal jobs, benefits, and identities from
> americans. Plus they kill americans every day by their drunk driving
> and speeding on our highways. Hang them and with a short drop.
The people who come here illegally owe no alliance with the USA.
The people who hire the those here illegally, are for the most part
Americans. These Americans should be held responsible for breaking US
laws. They are the ones benefiting from America and yet thumb their
nose at the law.
I promise you, most Mexicans would go home if there were no jobs. If
all of a sudden, there were no jobs for those here illegally, the
border patrol would have to act as traffic cops for the large traffic
jams as all those from south of the border returned to their
homelands.
And I promise, if you were to throw a few CEOs in prison for turning
a blind eye to the hiring people he is not allowed to hire, then every
other CEO would then strongly direct his company to screen carefully
for the right to work here. Throwing everyone responsible for illegal
hiring would be cheaper than trying to deport 12 million people.
Some traitor suggested it is not his responsibility to screen for the
right to work. Does not citizen status come with responsibility? Are
we not obliged to serve jury duty, Doesn't a good citizen pay taxes?
If there are no responsibility to be law abiding, we are all criminals
unless held by the point of a gun to do the right thing..
I don't want "illegal aliens" here either. It suppresses wages and it
invites civil rights violations. Trying to build a wall, when most who
are here illegally came here legally, will be a huge drain on our
defense dollars.
America had for many years a large open border with Mexico. There
wasn't a large illegal worker problem until recently. The difference
is that no employer would hire anyone not legally authorized to do the
work. During the past few decades, our employers have all become
traitors to the middle class, and sell our security for a dollar.
Strabo
> On Sep 6, 6:08 pm, Strabo<str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
>> >
>>
>> Times have changed.
>>
>> Government(s) has shot its wad. Whatever it used to do or why, is academic.
>> The people are fed up with lies and corruption and understand their
>> perilous situation. It's only a matter of time until a massive backlash occurs.
>
> America has always allowed immigration, legally. Because of the large
> numbers of illegal immigrants, legal immigrant numbers are reduced.
>
consulted.
Reason? Congress knew it was unpopular. Instead, Congress was bribed
by industrialists and the gates opened. At least it was selective and
regulated
and there was room to accommodate.
>
> America has a problem with demographics. The Baby Boomers are getting
> old and there are not enough young people to care for them all.
>
>
> Legal immigration could bulk up the numbers of workers needed.
>
The country is overpopulated without outsiders making it worse.
There are not enough jobs or resources to go around. Outsiders
take jobs which ordinarily would go to Americans.
>
> But illegal immigrants have nothing vested in America. They are not
> given the rights and responsibilities of legal resident, let alone a
> citizen.
>
sympathetic to conquest of the North.
Aliens from the South are typically Mestizos or bush Indians and are not
compatible with the concepts of freedom, liberty as relates to
responsibility.
>
> No freaking way can you deport 12 million people. It would be perhaps
> the greatest migration in the history of the planet.
>
The backlash. Some will never make it to the border.
>
> To stop illegal immigration we must start throwing the employers in
> prison and have them forfeit their ill-gotten gains.
>
Liberals are intent on cultural suicide and Progressives (Marxists) are
happy
to see chaos and destruction.
Strabo
> On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 20:37:36 -0700 (PDT), Mrs Irish Mike
> <wilm...@gmail.com> wrote in:
>
>> No freaking way can you deport 12 million people. It would be perhaps
>> the greatest migration in the history of the planet.
>
>
> Stop all HUD subsidized housing, Food Stamps and all welfare programs.
> End all tax deductions for children and all so-called Earned Income Credits.
>
>
> Issue every person in the country that is not a citizen a green
> card so we can collect income taxes. You will see millions of undocumented
> workers and their families self deport.
> We could even offer them a one way ticket by bus or airplane to their
> home land.
>
its
surplus population north. This illegal alien invasion brings with it many
thousands of alcoholics, drug runners, whores, hired killers, felons and
nuts.
They are attached to the American underworld and will not leave.
Bill Graham
old to do it, and can't get those bums who live under the freeway overpass
smoking dope to do it, so we hire Mexicans who come to my door with a
pick-up truck loaded with tools and ask to do it, and are willing to pay
them an honest days pay for their work. This is, incidentally, the kind of
world I was born and raises into when I was young. When I was a kid, I wued
to go from dorr to door asking for work. I cut a lot of grass in the
Summertime, and shoveled a lot of snow in the Winter, and paid for a lot of
stuff I bought that way. I haven't had a kid come to my door asking for work
for over thirty years bnow. - I wonder whqt happened to that other world?
Whatever it was, its too damn bad that its gone.......
Mrs Irish Mike
> Strabo wrote:
> > On 9/7/2011 4:30 AM, Thomas Lockheed wrote:
> >> On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 20:37:36 -0700 (PDT), Mrs Irish Mike
fulltime, so they don't have the equipment. Same thing with
resturants, why hire a kid when for less money you can hire an adult?
The kids don't learn the value of work. They instead go to cooking
schools that indebt them for tens of thousands of dollars and still
they haven't learned to work their way up from the bottom. No wonder
there are so many living under freeways, I'm surprised there aren't
more.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers
.
>
> And I promise, if you were to throw a few CEOs in prison for turning
> a blind eye to the hiring people he is not allowed to hire, then every
> other CEO would then strongly direct his company to screen carefully
> for the right to work here.
Everyone agrees with that. Businessmen who hire illegals should do
hard time. One more reason we need to mandate e-verify for all
jobs. Make it much tougher for these CEOs to cry "i didn't know he
was illegal".
Mrs Irish Mike
The USA could influence Mexico and the Central American countries to
create the much needed jobs. We gave China many of our jobs, why not
give those jobs to our neighbors, instead. and yes, we gave them our
jobs. We encouraged companies to move there with the technologies
Americans developed.
A few million dollars could be used to improve E-verify. There are
plans to include a photo to go with the SS number. Yet the funding has
been withheld. Our coporate overlords want the cheap labor sneaking
in, it surpresses labor costs.
Those who work illegally are not protected by our laws. A laborer who
gets sick or injured because of corner-cutting by the employer, is let
got and then is alone to fend for himself. I have personally known
people injured on the job who return to Mexico to either die from
their injury, or to try to scratch out a living minus a limb or the
energy to take care of himself. Often a spouse or child must now go to
the States for employment, to send money back for their care.
I'd be willing to pay more for lettuce or tomatoes picked by people
with the right to be here. I'd have no problem paying more for a
dinner prepared by a cook who is documented to be fit for working in
the kitchen. And I'd pay more for every service or goods in exchange
for those things provided by people who legally living here. You know
why? Because we'd all be making more money. The youth would be offered
entry level employment, and all workers would not be subject to the
threat of being replaced by a worker with no rights.
plainolamerican
sleep well ... forget about the laws and sovereignty of the USA
Mrs Irish Mike
Then go to e-verify. It is simple fast, easy, and free. Be part of the
solution or be part of the problem.
Bill Graham
How about making is much less tough for someone (anyone) to identify who is
legal and who is not? Right now, all we need is a driver's license, or, at
least, that's all I've ever needed to show any employer I have ever had.
Bill Graham
> On Sep 9, 8:26 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers"
> <threeb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 8, 11:54 am, Mrs Irish Mike <wilma6...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>>> And I promise, if you were to throw a few CEOs in prison for turning
>>> a blind eye to the hiring people he is not allowed to hire, then
>>> every other CEO would then strongly direct his company to screen
>>> carefully for the right to work here.
>>
>> Everyone agrees with that. Businessmen who hire illegals should do
>> hard time.
jail......
Bill Graham
> sleep well ... forget about the laws and sovereignty of the USA
And this is your answer to my point? Why do I waste my time talking to you?
( You were probably president of your college debating society) No wonder
this country is going to hell in a handbasket......
Bill Graham
us senior citizens who don't even own one?
All of my working life I paid taxes for an INS to do this kind of police
work for me.
And now I'm supposed to do my own policing? No thanks, buddy! I'll let you
be a shill for the new age Democrats.....
Mrs Irish Mike
>
> All of my working life I paid taxes for an INS to do this kind of police
> work for me.
> And now I'm supposed to do my own policing? No thanks, buddy! I'll let you
> be a shill for the new age Democrats.....
The pills go into your mouth, not your pocket.
Old people in nursing homes is not the problem. If you own a
business, you either have a computer or you know someone who does. Go
to the E-verify web site, enter the Social Security number, and viola!
you know if you have a legal worker.
Here you'll find of list of states that require E-verify for new
employees. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Verify
The laws could be tighter. The E-verify program could be better, but
this is a good start on figuring who is in our country, and how many.
Once we have a handle on who is immigrating we can then control the
numbers and the quality. For every illiterate immigrant that sneaks
in, a qualified immigrant is turned away.
Scout
"Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:P-idnXXb4q56bffT...@giganews.com...
Actually, a DL is a document on List B, which requires another document from
List C to support that you can work per the I-9 requirement
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf
Which has been active since at least the late 80's
Hmmm...
Nov 6, 1986 specifically when it was offically required of all new hires.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-9_(form)
Bill Graham
earnings) for over 40 years to a government who should have been giving me a
fair return for my dollar. Instead, they have blown it into space and done a
variety of things with it that I neither needed or wanted. No I REFUSE to do
their dirty work for them. Get it now? I don't give a damn how ":easy" it
is..... I still refuse to do it. Why? Because it isn't my job, that's why! I
am retired. I have already paid them in spades to do that job. So now, I
expect them to do it, and not come whining to me to do it for them.
Mrs Irish Mike
> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
> > On Sep 9, 10:22 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> All of my working life I paid taxes for an INS to do this kind of
> >> police work for me.
> >> And now I'm supposed to do my own policing? No thanks, buddy! I'll
> >> let you be a shill for the new age Democrats.....
>
> > The pills go into your mouth, not your pocket.
>
> > Old people in nursing homes is not the problem. If you own a
> > business, you either have a computer or you know someone who does. Go
> > to the E-verify web site, enter the Social Security number, and viola!
> > you know if you have a legal worker.
>
> > Here you'll find of list of states that require E-verify for new
> > The laws could be tighter. The E-verify program could be better, but
> > this is a good start on figuring who is in our country, and how many.
> > Once we have a handle on who is immigrating we can then control the
> > numbers and the quality. For every illiterate immigrant that sneaks
> > in, a qualified immigrant is turned away.
>
> Apparently you didn't understand me. I have paid taxes (up to 50% of my
> earnings) for over 40 years to a government who should have been giving me a
> fair return for my dollar. Instead, they have blown it into space and done a
> variety of things with it that I neither needed or wanted. No I REFUSE to do
> their dirty work for them. Get it now? I don't give a damn how ":easy" it
> is..... I still refuse to do it. Why? Because it isn't my job, that's why! I
> am retired. I have already paid them in spades to do that job. So now, I
>
> - Show quoted text -
OK Gramps, I get it. You got yours, screw everone else. Excelent
argument for Soylent Green. Served with KoolAid. Mmmmm.
Bill Graham
pay, and not live off the government dole." My government took my social
security payments and invested it in.....? In.....? Wait a minute! I
invested 10% of my own money in American business.... The government didn't
invest a dime of my money in anything.... they just spent it! They gave a
dozen assnaughts a free ride to the moon with it!
Where do you get off saying that "I got mine, and now I want to screw
everybody else"? You haven't spend a day living in my shoes. I pedaled a
bicycle to work for over ten years. Where is my 4000 dollars for a new car?
I am tired of paying the bums for sitting on their ass doing nothing. I am
going to see to it that I have nothing when I die, so the rotten government
can't collect a dime of death taxes from me. They don't deserve it. I
scraped and saved my whole life while the bums spent every cent they ever
earned on fast cars and booze. And now they want to socialize the whole
world so they can retire on my money. Well, screw them! I paid for my own
health insurance my whole working life. The bums never bought any because
they were young and healthy. And now, That rotten socialist bastard
Barak Obama wants to steal my tax dollars and buy them health insurance? Go
to hell!!! Where were they when I was driving a ten year old VW bug? They
were driving their Porsches, that's where. And now they expect me to be
happy buying them health insurance? They can go (along with you) to HELL!!!
Mrs Irish Mike
>
> Your wording is bad. It should be: "You paid yours. Now its youth's turn to
> pay, and not live off the government dole." My government took my social
> security payments and invested it in.....? In.....? Wait a minute! I
> invested 10% of my own money in American business.... The government didn't
> invest a dime of my money in anything.... they just spent it! They gave a
> dozen assnaughts a free ride to the moon with it!
or postcard. I like those snow-globe things.
>
> Where do you get off saying that "I got mine, and now I want to screw
> everybody else"? You haven't spend a day living in my shoes.
I pedaled a
> bicycle to work for over ten years.
Where is my 4000 dollars for a new car?
> I am tired of paying the bums for sitting on their ass doing nothing.
bums, what did you want their asses to be doing for the money? You're
not one of those, are you?
I am
> going to see to it that I have nothing when I die, so the rotten government
> can't collect a dime of death taxes from me.
dollars don't ya?
They don't deserve it. I
> scraped and saved my whole life while the bums spent every cent they ever
> earned on fast cars and booze. And now they want to socialize the whole
> world so they can retire on my money.
Well, screw them! I paid for my own
> health insurance my whole working life. The bums never bought any because
> they were young and healthy. And now, That rotten socialist bastard
> Barak Obama wants to steal my tax dollars and buy them health insurance?
holidays? Can't say I blame them, you're a grump.
Go
> to hell!!! Where were they when I was driving a ten year old VW bug? They
> were driving their Porsches, that's where.
something. I always thought it was a bit unAmerican to buy imported
cars. But you drove a car designed by Nazis, so I'm nott sure what you
mean?
And now they expect me to be
Settle down, settle down. Nurse! Gramps needs some medicine.
Bill Graham
must have been the capitan of your grammar school debating society. Someday
you robin-hooders will run out of rich people to steal from. Were will you
be then? You might actually have to get off your ass and work for a
living.....
Mrs Irish Mike
> - Show quoted text -
collected by working hard and by investing wisely (lucky?). My
thoughts on society's duty to protect the weakest comes not from need
but by empathy. Thing is, I lived frugally and continue to do so.
I no longer work, but live off my investments. Why should I be taxed
at 15% or less, and those who labor be taxed at much higher rates? It
is not fair.
RD Sandman
easy that is?
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Both politicians and diapers need to be changed regularly..
Often for the same reason.
Bill Graham
get the same government benefits. A soldier in the field doesn't have to
load up and fire extra bullets for Bill Gates and Opera Winfrey. He protects
them exactly as much, and no more, than he protects me and you. You Robin
Hooders think every body who rides a nice horse through Sherwood forest is a
crook who got his money by climbing up the backs of the poor. In fact, most
of the people I have known who are well off got their money just as I did.
By working for it, and saving it, and not spending it on fast cars and
booze, but investing it in American business. Why should we have to pay any
more for the government goods and services we get than those bums who spent
their lives sitting in front of the TV cracking beer cans and/or smoking
dope? You guys sure have a funny idea of what, "fair" means. You must have
played on a different baseball team than the one I played on when I was
growing up. - Because you sure learned a bunch of different rules than the
ones I learned.