“Instead of the house dragging us down, it’s become a life raft”
Greegor
May 31, 2010
Owners Stop Paying Mortgages, and Stop Fretting By DAVID STREITFELD
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — For Alex Pemberton and Susan Reboyras,
foreclosure is becoming a way of life — something they did not want
but are in no hurry to get out of.
Foreclosure has allowed them to stabilize the family business. Go to
Outback occasionally for a steak. Take their gas-guzzling airboat out
for the weekend. Visit the Hard Rock Casino.
“Instead of the house dragging us down, it’s become a life raft,” said
Mr. Pemberton, who stopped paying the mortgage on their house here
last summer. “It’s really been a blessing.”
A growing number of the people whose homes are in foreclosure are
refusing to slink away in shame. They are fashioning a sort of
homemade mortgage modification, one that brings their payments all the
way down to zero. They use the money they save to get back on their
feet or just get by.
This type of modification does not beg for a lender’s permission but
is delivered as an ultimatum: Force me out if you can. Any moral
qualms are overshadowed by a conviction that the banks created the
crisis by snookering homeowners with loans that got them in over their
heads.
“I tried to explain my situation to the lender, but they wouldn’t
help,” said Mr. Pemberton’s mother, Wendy Pemberton, herself in
foreclosure on a small house a few blocks away from her son’s. She
stopped paying her mortgage two years ago after a bout with lung
cancer. “They’re all crooks.”
Foreclosure procedures have been initiated against 1.7 million of the
nation’s households. The pace of resolving these problem loans is slow
and getting slower because of legal challenges, foreclosure
moratoriums, government pressure to offer modifications and the
inability of the lenders to cope with so many souring mortgages.
The average borrower in foreclosure has been delinquent for 438 days
before actually being evicted, up from 251 days in January 2008,
according to LPS Applied Analytics.
While there are no firm figures on how many households are following
the Pemberton-Reboyras path of passive resistance, real estate agents
and other experts say the number of overextended borrowers taking the
“free rent” approach is on the rise.
There is no question, though, that for some borrowers in default,
foreclosure is only a theoretical threat for a long time.
More than 650,000 households had not paid in 18 months, LPS calculated
earlier this year. With 19 percent of those homes, the lender had not
even begun to take action to repossess the property — double the rate
of a year earlier.
In some states, including California and Texas, lenders can pursue
foreclosures outside of the courts. With the lender in control, the
pace can be brisk. But in Florida, New York and 19 other states,
judicial foreclosure is the rule, which slows the process
substantially.
In Pinellas and Pasco counties, which include St. Petersburg and the
suburbs to the north, there are 34,000 open foreclosure cases, said J.
Thomas McGrady, chief judge of the Pinellas-Pasco Circuit. Ten years
ago, the average was about 4,000. “The volume is killing us,” Judge
McGrady said.
Mr. Pemberton and Ms. Reboyras decided to stop paying because their
business, which restores attics that have been invaded by pests, was
on the verge of failing. Scrambling to get by, their credit already
shot, they had little to lose.
“We could pay the mortgage company way more than the house is worth
and starve to death,” said Mr. Pemberton, 43. “Or we could pay
ourselves so our business could sustain us and people who work for us
over a long period of time. It may sound very horrible, but it comes
down to a self-preservation thing.”
They used the $1,837 a month that they were not paying their lender to
publicize A Plus Restorations, first with print ads, then local
television. Word apparently got around, because the business is
recovering.
The couple owe $280,000 on the house, where they live with Ms.
Reboyras’s two daughters, their two dogs and a very round pet raccoon
named Roxanne. The house is worth less than half that amount — which
they say would be their starting point in future negotiations with
their lender.
“If they took the house from us, that’s all they would end up getting
for it anyway,” said Ms. Reboyras, 46.
One reason the house is worth so much less than the debt is because of
the real estate crash. But the couple also refinanced at the height of
the market, taking out cash to buy a truck they used as a contest
prize for their hired animal trappers.
It was a stupid move by their lender, according to Mr. Pemberton.
“They went outside their own guidelines on
debt to income
---------------------
,” he said. “And when they did, they put themselves in jeopardy.”
His mother, Wendy Pemberton, who has been cutting hair at the same
barber shop for 30 years, has been in default since spring 2008. Mrs.
Pemberton, 68, refinanced several times during the boom but says she
benefited only once, when she got enough money for a new roof. The
other times, she said, unscrupulous salesmen promised her lower rates
but simply charged her high fees.
Even without the burden of paying $938 a month for her decaying house,
Mrs. Pemberton is having a tough time. Most of her customers are
senior citizens who pay only $8 for a cut, and they are spacing out
their visits.
“The longer I’m in foreclosure, the better,” she said.
In Florida, the average property spends 518 days in foreclosure,
second only to New York’s 561 days. Defense attorneys stress they can
keep this number high.
Both generations of Pembertons have hired a local lawyer, Mark P.
Stopa. He sends out letters — 1,700 in a recent week — to Floridians
who have had a foreclosure suit filed against them by a lender.
Even if you have “no defenses,” the form letter says, “you may be able
to keep living in your home for weeks, months or even years without
paying your mortgage.”
About 10 new clients a week sign up, according to Mr. Stopa, who says
he now has 350 clients in foreclosure, each of whom pays $1,500 a year
for a maximum of six hours of attorney time. “I just do as much as
needs to be done to force the bank to prove its case,” Mr. Stopa
said.
Many mortgages were sold by the original lender, a circumstance that
homeowners’ lawyers try to exploit by asking them to prove they own
the loan. In Mrs. Pemberton’s case, Mr. Stopa filed a motion to
dismiss on March 17, 2009, and the case has not moved since then. He
filed a similar motion in her son’s case last December.
From the lenders’ standpoint, people who stay in their homes without
paying the mortgage or actively trying to work out some other
solution, like selling it, are “milking the process,” said Kyle
Lundstedt, managing director of Lender Processing Service’s analytics
group. LPS provides technology, services and data to the mortgage
industry.
These “free riders” are “the unintended and unfortunate consequence”
of lenders struggling to work out a solution, Mr. Lundstedt said.
“These people are playing a dangerous game. There are processes in
many states to go after folks who have substantial assets
postforeclosure.”
But for borrowers like Jim Tsiogas, the benefits of not paying now
outweigh any worries about the future.
“I stopped paying in August 2008,” said Mr. Tsiogas, who is in
foreclosure on his house and two rental properties. “I told the lady
at the bank, ‘I can’t afford $2,500. I can only afford $1,300.’ ”
Mr. Tsiogas, who lives on the coast south of St. Petersburg, blames
his lenders for being unwilling to help when the crash began and his
properties needed shoring up.
Their attitude seems to have changed since he went into foreclosure.
Now their letters say things like “we’re willing to work with you.”
But Mr. Tsiogas feels little urge to respond.
“I need another year,” he said, “and I’m going to be pretty
comfortable.”
http://www.bkforum.com/showthread.php?t=57614
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/jun/02/sp-for-some-foreclosure-can-become-a-life-raft/news-money/
Greegor
On Jun 2, 11:46 pm, "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote:
> Too bad you can't buy a house and then not make any payments, grag.
Just because a bank would LET somebody
like you overextend your debt load does
not remove your responsibility for doing so.
Your EGO gets you in trouble, Dan!
http://www.zillow.com/homes/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-Patchogue,-NY-11772_rb/
Recently Sold: $320,000 Zestimate: $447,500 Beds: --
Baths: --Sqft: --
Lot: 16,552Sold On: 09/17/2009
Built: --Details Save Alerts Similar
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-S-Patchogue-NY-11772/59443713_zpid/
http://www.redfin.com/NY/Patchogue/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-11772/home/21226238
Greegor
“They went outside their own guidelines on debt to income,” he said.
DJS3 > Too bad you can't buy a house and then not make any payments,
grag.
G > Just because a bank would LET somebody
G > like you overextend your debt load does
G > not remove your responsibility for doing so.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/278453bcc0a177e2?hl=en
DJS3 > What are you talking about, grag?
Linda
>
> http://tjic.com/?p=14655
That's merely the half of it.
The squatters often scrap every ounce of metal before moving on,
leaving holy walls owing to their removing the copper pipes and/or
insulated copper wire, windows without aluminum framed windows,
aluminum siding without any aluminum siding, sinks without copper/
brass faucets, showers without alumunum or brass edged shower doors,
doors without brass or stainless steel door knobs, boiler rooms
without hot water heaters, etc.
Greegor
Then he denied going through foreclosure.
Curious isn't it?
http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs143.snc3/17039_296718273658_556833658_4548222_7143278_n.jpg
Greegor
DJS3 > For what?
For the collapse of your SUB PRIME mortgage!
G > Then he denied going through foreclosure.
DJS3 > You've yet to post any proof the house went into foreclosure,
grag.
Have you ever DENIED that it went into foreclosure, Dan?
You want me to prove something you never denied? Typical of you.
G > Curious isn't it?
DJS3 > Not really, everyone knows you're a liar and an asshole, grag.
You're the one so shy you're cutting the crosspost list.
Tell me you're a genius who sold a $447K house
for $320K, Dan!
How DO you explain these?
Greegor
DJS3 > For what?
G > For the collapse of your SUB PRIME mortgage!
DJS3 > Proof?
As YOU have taught me, asking for
PROOF is NOT the same as a denial.
G > Then he denied going through foreclosure.
DJS3 > You've yet to post any proof the
DJS3 > house went into foreclosure, grag.
G > Have you ever DENIED that it went into foreclosure, Dan?
DJS3 > Plenty of times.
G > You want me to prove something you never denied? Typical of you.
G > Curious isn't it?
DJS3 > Not really, everyone knows you're a liar and an asshole, grag.
G > You're the one so shy you're cutting the crosspost list.
DJS3 > I post my messages where I want.
Chicken sh_t.
G > Tell me you're a genius who sold a $447K house
G > for $320K, Dan!
G > The 447K is a zestimate, NOT an appraisal or even an estimate.
G > I don't even know how they arrived at that figure.
Are you claiming that your house sold for full price
in September 2009? Please explain how and why
you CHOSE to sell your house in the middle of
the WORST home value slump in more than 50 years.
What do YOU think the house was worth
before the price slump?
How much down payment and how many
payments did you forfeit when you walked
away from it?
DJS3 > BTW if you claim to know the house was
DJS3 > foreclosed on you should be able to tell
DJS3 > me how much the original mortgage was for.
Please diagram your logic.
If that's what you call it.
DJS3 > How much did I pay for the house and how much money did I put
down?
G > How DO you explain these?
G > NOTHING about a foreclosure in any of them.
G > How do you explain that, grag?
Greegor
DJS3 > For what?
G > For the collapse of your SUB PRIME mortgage!
DJS3 > Proof?
G > As YOU have taught me, asking for
G > PROOF is NOT the same as a denial.
DJS3 > So you have no proof of your claim.
G > Then he denied going through foreclosure.
DJS3 > You've yet to post any proof the
DJS3 > house went into foreclosure, grag.
G > Have you ever DENIED that it went into foreclosure, Dan?
DJS3 > Plenty of times.
G > You want me to prove something you never denied? Typical of you.
DJS3 > Are you reading challenged, grag,
DJS3 > or comprehension challenged?
DJS3 >
DJS3 > I said I denied that the house went into
DJS3 > foreclosure "PLENTY of times."
Link to where you actually said exactly that, if you can.
G > Curious isn't it?
DJS3 > Not really, everyone knows you're a liar and an asshole, grag.
G > You're the one so shy you're cutting the crosspost list.
DJS3 > I post my messages where I want.
G > Chicken sh_t.
G > Tell me you're a genius who sold a $447K house
G > for $320K, Dan!
What was the tax appraisal valuation, Dan?
DJS3 > The 447K is a zestimate, NOT an appraisal or even an estimate.
DJS3 > I don't even know how they arrived at that figure.
G > Are you claiming that your house sold for full price
G > in September 2009? Please explain how and why
G > you CHOSE to sell your house in the middle of
G > the WORST home value slump in more than 50 years.
G >
G > What do YOU think the house was worth
G > before the price slump?
G >
G > How much down payment and how many
G > payments did you forfeit when you walked
G > away from it?
DJS3 > The house was SOLD, grag.
SOLD by the BANK!
Why did you bail on your mortgage, Dan?
Why didn't you keep your promise to pay the mortgage?
Wouldn't they take your EGO as payment?
DJS3 > And I was never late with a single payment.
DJS3 > I didn't lose a dime on that house.
That would be a downright MAGICAL mortgage!
Why would you sell it on September 17, 2009?
So it was your WIFE who worked and paid for the mortgage?
How many years did she pay on it and how much down
payment did she put down?
Please explain how you CHOSE to sell that
house of your free will, at the WORST possible
time in over 50 years!
Please explain how it was all YOUR bright idea!
DJS3 > BTW if you claim to know the house was
DJS3 > foreclosed on you should be able to tell
DJS3 > me how much the original mortgage was for.
G > Please diagram your logic.
G > If that's what you call it.
DJS3 > How much did I pay for the house and
DJS3 > how much money did I put down?
G > How DO you explain these?
G > NOTHING about a foreclosure in any of them.
G > How do you explain that, grag?
In this case, TIMING is everything!
Please announce how you voluntarily decided
to sell your house at the worst time in over 50 years!
It's fairly obvious you sold it under distress, Dan!
You didn't move in with your folks for a few months
just for giggles.
Greegor
DJS3 > For what?
G > For the collapse of your SUB PRIME mortgage!
DJS3 > Proof?
G > As YOU have taught me, asking for
G > PROOF is NOT the same as a denial.
DJS3 > So you have no proof of your claim.
G > Then he denied going through foreclosure.
DJS3 > You've yet to post any proof the
DJS3 > house went into foreclosure, grag.
G > Have you ever DENIED that it went into foreclosure, Dan?
DJS3 > Plenty of times.
G > You want me to prove something you never denied? Typical of you.
DJS3 > Are you reading challenged, grag,
DJS3 > or comprehension challenged?
DJS3 >
DJS3 > I said I denied that the house went into
DJS3 > foreclosure "PLENTY of times."
G > Link to where you actually said exactly that, if you can.
DJS3 > Less than 20 lines up you wrote "Then he
DJS3 > denied going through foreclosure."
That is NOT a LINK to where YOU said the exact words
that your house never went into foreclosure.
DJS3 > I don't need to prove something you already know to be true,
grag.
The issue about whether or not you SAID something
is the case has little to do with whether or not that
is actually the case.
You have played these "cute" games with semantics
far too often for them to actually pass now.
G > Curious isn't it?
DJS3 > Not really, everyone knows you're a liar and an asshole, grag.
G > You're the one so shy you're cutting the crosspost list.
DJS3 > I post my messages where I want.
G > Chicken sh_t.
G > Tell me you're a genius who sold a $447K house
G > for $320K, Dan!
G > What was the tax appraisal valuation, Dan?
DJS3 > The 447K is a zestimate, NOT an appraisal or even an estimate.
DJS3 > I don't even know how they arrived at that figure.
G > Are you claiming that your house sold for full price
G > in September 2009? Please explain how and why
G > you CHOSE to sell your house in the middle of
G > the WORST home value slump in more than 50 years.
G >
G > What do YOU think the house was worth
G > before the price slump?
G >
G > How much down payment and how many
G > payments did you forfeit when you walked
G > away from it?
DJS3 > The house was SOLD, grag.
G > SOLD by the BANK!
DJS3 > Not true.
G > Why did you bail on your mortgage, Dan?
G > Why didn't you keep your promise to pay the mortgage?
G >
G > Wouldn't they take your EGO as payment?
DJS3 > And I was never late with a single payment.
DJS3 > I didn't lose a dime on that house.
G > That would be a downright MAGICAL mortgage!
DJS3 > Because the price of the house was more
DJS3 > than the dollar value of the mortgage?
Don't you have that backwards, Dan?
A house valued MORE than the mortgage
is a good deal!
Why would you try "blaming" the collapse of
your mortgage onto the collapse of the
entire mortgage industry?
(Which was BS, it was mostly a SUB PRIME problem.)
G > Why would you sell it on September 17, 2009?
G > So it was your WIFE who worked and paid for the mortgage?
G > How many years did she pay on it and how much down
G > payment did she put down?
G >
G > Please explain how you CHOSE to sell that
G > house of your free will, at the WORST possible
G > time in over 50 years!
G > Please explain how it was all YOUR bright idea!
DJS3 > BTW if you claim to know the house was
DJS3 > foreclosed on you should be able to tell
DJS3 > me how much the original mortgage was for.
G > Please diagram your logic.
G > If that's what you call it.
DJS3 > How much did I pay for the house and
DJS3 > how much money did I put down?
G > How DO you explain these?
DJS3 > NOTHING about a foreclosure in any of them.
DJS3 > How do you explain that, grag?
G > In this case, TIMING is everything!
G >
G > Please announce how you voluntarily decided
G > to sell your house at the worst time in over 50 years!
G >
G > It's fairly obvious you sold it under distress, Dan!
G >
G > You didn't move in with your folks for a few months
G > just for giggles.
Greegor
DJS3 > Because the price of the house was more
DJS3 > than the dollar value of the mortgage?
Don't you have that backwards, Dan?
You're saying that you walked away from
a mortgage where the house was actually
worth MORE than the mortgage?
Did you make a mistake, Dan?
Greegor
DJS3 > Because the price of the house was more
DJS3 > than the dollar value of the mortgage?
G > Don't you have that backwards, Dan?
G >
G > You're saying that you walked away from
G > a mortgage where the house was actually
G > worth MORE than the mortgage?
G >
G > Did you make a mistake, Dan?
You've had almost 2 days to correct this
statement of yours, plus you have posted
to other message threads during that time.
Was the house worth MORE than
the mortgage face value, as you said,
or was that just a typo?
If your statement quoted above is true,
then you are a complete jackass for
dumping the mortgage!
Which part did you get backwards, Dan?
Your statement or your rationale?
Greegor
> On Jun 8, 8:44 pm, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/...
>
> > DJS3 > Because the price of the house was more
> > DJS3 > than the dollar value of the mortgage?
>
> > G > Don't you have that backwards, Dan?
> > G >
> > G > You're saying that you walked away from
> > G > a mortgage where the house was actually
> > G > worth MORE than the mortgage?
> > G >
> > G > Did you make a mistake, Dan?
>
> > You've had almost 2 days to correct this
> > statement of yours,
DJS3 > It's a question, grag, not a statement.
DJS3 > Because the price of the house was more
DJS3 > than the dollar value of the mortgage?
Please clarify then, Dan.
Was "the price of the house [ ] more
than the dollar value of the mortgage" Dan?
> plus you have posted
> to other message threads during that time.
G > Was the house worth MORE than
G > the mortgage face value, as you said,
G > or was that just a typo?
This was a direct question which you
didn't answer.
> > If your statement quoted above is true,
> > then you are a complete jackass for
> > dumping the mortgage!
>
> "Dumping the mortgage?"
>
> Is that real estate jargon?
>
> I've never heard of that before.
>
> > Which part did you get backwards, Dan?
>
> You tell me.
Greegor
Still pretending you sold your home voluntarily,
even though it was sold on September 17, 2009?
Good luck with that!
Greegor
G > Still pretending you sold your home voluntarily,
G > even though it was sold on September 17, 2009?
DJS3 > I don't need to prove the house didn't go into foreclosure,
grag.
Please don't prove anything!
DJS3 > You can't and haven't proved otherwise.
DJS3 >
DJS3 > LOL!!!
DJS3 >
DJS3 > I'm still waiting for you to mail me your questionnaire.
I'm not in a hurry to fulfill your insane conditions.
http://www.zillow.com/homes/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-Patchogue,-NY-11772_rb/
Recently Sold: $320,000 Zestimate: $447,500 Beds: --
Baths: --Sqft: --
Lot: 16,552Sold On: 09/17/2009
Built: --Details Save Alerts Similar
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-S-Patchogue-NY-11772/59443713_zpid/
http://www.redfin.com/NY/Patchogue/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-11772/home/21226238
Feb 2002
Dan Sullivan wrote "I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93."
[...]
'The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet." '
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
April 2004 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/d15f8e338226b780
July 2007 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26b08f9f2b9
Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
user and abuser of illegal drugs, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
Get off the illegal drugs, Greg. Get into rehab and WORK the
program.
This isn't meant as the insult it may appear to be. I'm being as
serious as I can possibly be.
A select number of items that really are about Gregory Scott "Piggly
Wiggly" Hanson (either directly or through the same standards he
DEMANDS be held to others):
Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
(DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT
"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
Greg "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, by
attacking my first wife (deceased).
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead
Me: "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg. Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?
Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:
"Of course."
"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
-- Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson, wife beater and child
abuser
As of Saturday, March 27, 2010:
SMALL CLAIMS ORIGINAL NOTICE
Comments: OPA $2805.04
COPIES TO PA
VERIFICATION OF ACCOUNT
JUDGEMENT DEFAULT
Comments: JUDGMENT AGAINST GREGORY HANSON FOR $2805.04
+ INTEREST AT 7.271% FROM 8/6/98 & $45.00 COSTS.
Comments: NOTE OF GARN/NOTE TO DEFT SERV 9/24/98 BY WCSD
TO SYSTEMS MANAGEMENT (ED POLKERS) FOR GREG HANSON
FEES $35.60
Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson has a Garnishment order against
him from Ed Polkers. There is nothing to even suggest any of the
money legally owed has been paid. The SoL on the order has likely
expired, but Greg still can't risk getting a job due to it.
As of Saturday, March 27, 2010:
Financials
Title: STATE OF IOWA VS HANSON, GREG SCOTT
Case: 06571 AGCR015216 (LINN)
Citation Number:
Summary Orig Paid Due
COSTS 9200.00 850.00 8350.00
FINE 500.00 500.00 0.00
SURCHARGE 150.00 150.00 0.00
RESTITUTION 0.00 0.00 0.00
OTHER 0.00 0.00 0.00
$9850.00 $1500.00 $8350.00
Yes, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson still owes over
$8000.00 related to his convictions for BEATING his ex-wife.
Me: Hey, he used your standards.
Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson: It's textbook psychopathic
reasoning.
Greg admitting his standards are psychopathic.
Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
user and abuser of illegal drugs, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> plus you have posted
>> to other message threads during that time.
>
>G > Was the house worth MORE than
>G > the mortgage face value, as you said,
>G > or was that just a typo?
>
>This was a direct question which you
>didn't answer.
Sort of like how you have NEVER answer the question what's so bad
about beating CPS?
Your hypocrisy shines through once again, stupid.
BTW, you really need to stop using and abusing illegal drugs,
Greg. Your post was sent to the friends group, which, unless you lied,
is your PROOF that you use and abuse illegal drugs.
Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
user and abuser of illegal drugs, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/c9afcb3d722e59ab
>
>DJS3 > Because the price of the house was more
>DJS3 > than the dollar value of the mortgage?
>
>G > Don't you have that backwards, Dan?
>G >
>G > You're saying that you walked away from
>G > a mortgage where the house was actually
>G > worth MORE than the mortgage?
>G >
>G > Did you make a mistake, Dan?
>
>You've had almost 2 days to correct this
>statement of yours, plus you have posted
>to other message threads during that time.
Are you so stoned you honestly think a question is a statement,
Greg?
If your self admitted use and abuse of illegal drugs is not the
cause, what causes you to think a question is a statement?
Greegor
speaks for you, Dan?
Dan Sullivan
"Greegor" <gree...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5e2e9adc-87f2-46bf...@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>
> Are you so incompetent that Kent Wills
> speaks for you, Dan?
Obviously you're too incompetent to respond directly to the information Kent
posted about you, grag.
LOL!!!
Greegor
G > speaks for you, Dan?
DJS3 > Obviously you're too incompetent to respond
DJS3 > directly to the information Kent posted about you, grag.
DJS3 > LOL!!!
Do you want to tie your reputation to Kent Wills, Dan?
After you refused to answer questions unless
they are mailed to you in the form of a
lawyer's interrogatory, like a deposition?
You won't explain why you actually chose
to marry a BIPOLAR mental case and make
BABIES with her?
Why would a normal man do that?
And since you're the guy who claims you married
a BIPOLAR woman and made BABIES with her,
then WHY would such a guy post dismissive
and condemning posts in answer to a woman
with a brain disease?
It never occurred to you that since you
married a BIPOLAR woman and made
babies with her, that ALONE might make
lots of different people suspect you are
a child molester? Enough that your family
had to endure 20+ child abuse investigations?
You claimed you underwent 20+ child abuse
investigations and 5 FOUNDEDS, one of
which was for child sexual abuse.
This was to set yourself up as a Family
Rights advocate, but you have been kicked
out of at least 4 Family Rights groups.
Kent was known as a liar before I ever
heard of him. Now you are too, Dan!
Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
user and abuser of illegal drugs, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Are you so incompetent that Kent Wills
>speaks for you, Dan?
You do know how to stick with your deceptions, Greg. This one
from you has been exposed a number of times, yet you keep presenting
it. Oh sure, you alter the wording a bit, but the lie remains the
same.
You really should cease authoring your own posts. When your
drunken puppet master writes them, they tend to take a minute or so to
expose. Not a great challenge, but more than you are capable of
offering on your own.
Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
user and abuser of illegal drugs, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>G > Are you so incompetent that Kent Wills
>G > speaks for you, Dan?
>
>DJS3 > Obviously you're too incompetent to respond
>DJS3 > directly to the information Kent posted about you, grag.
>DJS3 > LOL!!!
>
>Do you want to tie your reputation to Kent Wills, Dan?
>
Better than a self admitted user and abuser of illegal drugs,
such as you, Greg. Or were you LYING when you admitted you use and
abuse illegal drugs?
>After you refused to answer questions unless
>they are mailed to you in the form of a
>lawyer's interrogatory, like a deposition?
>
When did Dan make the claim you attribute to him?
>You won't explain why you actually chose
>to marry a BIPOLAR mental case and make
>BABIES with her?
That you're jealous that no woman has had self esteem so low she
would allow you to father children is understood and accepted.
Seemingly by everyone. You can move on.
>
>Why would a normal man do that?
>
It's so very sad, and revealing, that you honestly don't know the
answer to that question.
>And since you're the guy who claims you married
>a BIPOLAR woman and made BABIES with her,
>then WHY would such a guy post dismissive
>and condemning posts in answer to a woman
>with a brain disease?
When has Dan done such a thing? Please post the MID and/or
Google link to one such post. I've never seen such a post from Dan,
and currently suspect the exist solely in your drug addled mind.
>
>It never occurred to you that since you
>married a BIPOLAR woman and made
>babies with her, that ALONE might make
>lots of different people suspect you are
>a child molester?
Getting married and having children equates to being a suspected
child molester?
Been hitting the illegal drugs harder than the norm there, Greg?
>Enough that your family
>had to endure 20+ child abuse investigations?
When, outside of your drug induced (unless you lied) LIES has Dan
had 20+ investigation?
>
>You claimed you underwent 20+ child abuse
Dan's made no such claim.
But please, prove he did, unless you are going to admit, again,
that your use and abuse forces you to present this lie.
>investigations and 5 FOUNDEDS, one of
>which was for child sexual abuse.
>This was to set yourself up as a Family
>Rights advocate, but you have been kicked
>out of at least 4 Family Rights groups.
And you have been PROVED to be a CPS shill.
Do your handlers at CPS still take your calls, Greg, or do they
deny even knowing who you are?
>
>Kent was known as a liar before I ever
Odd that you've NEVER been able to expose a single lie from me.
Actually, since I don't lie, this isn't so odd.
By way of contrast, I've exposed so many of yours, I've ceased
trying to count.
>heard of him. Now you are too, Dan!
Please expose one lie from Dan. Just one is all I ask.
If you would rather make the tacit admission, by YOUR standards,
that I've exposed yet another of your MANY drug induced lies, this is
acceptable to me.
And what is so bad about beating CPS, Greg? You've ALWAYS run
away from this question. Please answer it now.
Kent Wills
wrote:
It took him nearly two years, but Greg finally realized that he
can never counter the TRUTH I present about him, so he's ceased
trying. Rather, he LIES and presents that I am speaking for you.
Dan Sullivan
>
> G > Are you so incompetent that Kent Wills
> G > speaks for you, Dan?
>
> DJS3 > Obviously you're too incompetent to respond
> DJS3 > directly to the information Kent posted about you, grag.
> DJS3 > LOL!!!
>
> Do you want to tie your reputation to Kent Wills, Dan?
It's your reputation posted by Kent you obviously can't respond to,
grag.
Greegor
G > speaks for you, Dan?
DJS3 > Obviously you're too incompetent to respond
DJS3 > directly to the information Kent posted about you, grag.
DJS3 > LOL!!!
G > Do you want to tie your reputation to Kent Wills, Dan?
DJS3 > It's your reputation posted by Kent you
DJS3 > obviously can't respond to, grag.
Are you saying I haven't responded to Kent Wills?
G > After you refused to answer questions unless
G > they are mailed to you in the form of a
G > lawyer's interrogatory, like a deposition?
G >
G > You won't explain why you actually chose
G > to marry a BIPOLAR mental case and make
G > BABIES with her?
G >
G > Why would a normal man do that?
G >
G > And since you're the guy who claims you married
G > a BIPOLAR woman and made BABIES with her,
G > then WHY would such a guy post dismissive
G > and condemning posts in answer to a woman
G > with a brain disease?
G >
G > It never occurred to you that since you
G > married a BIPOLAR woman and made
G > babies with her, that ALONE might make
G > lots of different people suspect you are
G > a child molester? Enough that your family
G > had to endure 20+ child abuse investigations?
G >
G > You claimed you underwent 20+ child abuse
G > investigations and 5 FOUNDEDS, one of
G > which was for child sexual abuse.
G > This was to set yourself up as a Family
G > Rights advocate, but you have been kicked
G > out of at least 4 Family Rights groups.
G >
G > Kent was known as a liar before I ever
G > heard of him. Now you are too, Dan!
I guess Kent and you do have a lot in common.
You've each painted yourself into your own
corner with your own comments.
Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>G > Do you want to tie your reputation to Kent Wills, Dan?
>
>DJS3 > It's your reputation posted by Kent you
>DJS3 > obviously can't respond to, grag.
>
>Are you saying I haven't responded to Kent Wills?
Your posting to the Friends group is your PROOF that you use and
abuse illegal drugs, Greg. It is not a response to the TRUTH I post
about you.
>G >
>G > Kent was known as a liar before I ever
>G > heard of him. Now you are too, Dan!
>
>I guess Kent and you do have a lot in common.
>You've each painted yourself into your own
>corner with your own comments.
How so? You'll need to explain it, since those of us who do not
use nor abuse illegal drugs, as you admit you do, are likely to
understand.
What's so bad about beating CPS, Greg? You keep trying to HIDE
from this question.
Greegor
DJS3 > It's your reputation posted by Kent you
DJS3 > obviously can't respond to, grag.
G > Are you saying I haven't responded to Kent Wills?
KBW > Your posting to the Friends group is your
KBW > PROOF that you use and abuse illegal
KBW > drugs, Greg.
A bit like a "shrink wrap contract" ?
I bet Dan is proud of you for this logic, Kent!
KBW > It is not a response to the TRUTH I post about you.
Dan Sullivan
>
> I guess Kent and you do have a lot in common.
> You've each painted yourself into your own
> corner with your own comments.
See the full information from the links grag posted.
grag has posted himself into a corner by the lies he posts.
> Feb 2002
> Dan Sullivan wrote "I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93."
> [...]
> 'The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
> daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet." '
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
What was really written was...
============
I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93.
The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
That's exactly what the CW wrote in my case record and THEN the CW
wrote."We didn't know what the child was trying to say!"
How can something be credible if you didn't know what they were
saying?
===============
> April 2004 Dan Sullivan wrote
> "My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/d15f8e338226b780
What was really written was...
========
CPS made a determination (later reversed on appeal) that I molested my three
year old daughter because she told the caseworker "My daddy touched me with
the puppet bear in the toilet."
This statement was used by the caseworker and her supervisor as the
"credible evidence" for their determination.
This was documented in my caserecord.
The next sentence in the caserecord was "we didn't know what she (my
daughter) was trying to say.
In my challenge to their determination (appeal) I simply wrote "how can CPS
claim that what my daughter said was credible when the caseworker admits she
didn't understand what my daughter said?"
The appeal didn't even go to a Judge... CPS reversed the determination
themselves.
The caseworker resigned from government service three days after I received
a copy of my caserecord.
==========
> July 2007 Dan Sullivan wrote
> "My daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26b08f9f2b9
What was really written was...
=========
I was taken to family court because CPS claimed I molested my daughter
and she had stated that fact to the CW and the police. The validator's
report concluded that I did nothing to my daughter and the judge threw
the charges out of court. CPS STILL founded me for the abuse and cited
the validators report which determined that I didn't do anything as
their credible evidence.
The police report stated that my daughter made no accusation about me
to them even though they interviewed her at exactly the same time CPS
did. The CPS case record stated that my daughter said to the CW, "My
daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet." The next
sentence in the case record was, "We didn't know what she was trying
to say." How could CPS claim something was credible when they couldn't
understand it? REVERSED!
============
Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
user and abuser of illegal drugs, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>G > Do you want to tie your reputation to Kent Wills, Dan?
>
>DJS3 > It's your reputation posted by Kent you
>DJS3 > obviously can't respond to, grag.
>
>G > Are you saying I haven't responded to Kent Wills?
>
>KBW > Your posting to the Friends group is your
>KBW > PROOF that you use and abuse illegal
>KBW > drugs, Greg.
>
>A bit like a "shrink wrap contract" ?
You admitted your stalking, by the same definition you posted to
accuse others of stalking you, of the members of the group is due to
your use and abuse of illegal drugs. While your post was
"accidentally" removed from Google's public archive (Google still has
it, so feel free to file a libel suit and fail at one more item in
life), here's the quote:
Me: "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg. Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?
Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson:
"Of course."
You made this admission quite a long time ago (about a year), and
I've been pointing out it for nearly as long. I began within days of
your admission. It was added to the "Truth about Gregory Scott Hanson"
sig many months ago.
Your deceptive comparison to a shrink wrap contract fails since
it began so long ago. Another FAILURE to add to your list, though it
will likely get lost in the massive pile of Gregory Scott Hanson
failures.
How does it feel to be such a complete and total failure, Greg?
Since all available evidence shows you fail at EVERYTHING you try, I'd
like you to share your feelings on your total failure.
Please don't run and HIDE from the truth I've presented. And
please don't waste time attempting to distract from it. Address the
TRUTH I've presented and explain how it feels to ALWAYS fail.
>
>I bet Dan is proud of you for this logic, Kent!
I doubt he has any feelings one way or the other, though Dan
would be in a far better position to know.
He may well be pleased that I've once again PROVED that you are
psychologically UNABLE to be honest, except by accident or force, but
he would still be in a better position to state if he is or not.
morgan...@rocketmail.com
> At one time, not so long ago, ex-con (one conviction for OWI and TWO
> convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
> user and abuser of illegal drugs, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
>
Is he a relative of Mark Morgan?
Kent Wills
<morgan...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
[...]
>> Me: Hey, he used your standards.
>> Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson: It's textbook psychopathic
>> reasoning.
>>
>> Greg admitting his standards are psychopathic.
>
>Is he a relative of Mark Morgan?
Greg's never mentioned Mark, so I've never had any cause to
check. Since Greg's relatives are of no significant importance to me,
I doubt I'll make any effort to find out.
--
Always follow your dream!
Unless it's the one where you're at work in your underwear during a
fire drill.
Greegor
there's smoke there fire.
Your 20+ child abuse investigations and
5 FOUNDEDS, one for child sexual abuse
sure do make that an interesting thing for you to say.
I don't question your being FOUNDED so many
times for child abuse, but you'd have to PROVE
you got those 5 FOUNDED reports reversed.
You claimed two of them were reversed
within 90 days which does NOT fit the pattern
for any large government bureaucracy,
but especially the intractable CPS jackasses.
Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Dan, YOU are the one who said that where
>there's smoke there fire.
Is this your way of admitting you sexually molest Lisa Watkins'
six or seven year old daughter? It appears that everyone accepts that
you did fondle her genital area, but you haven't actually admitted it.
Well, by YOUR standards you have, since you've not denied it, but
within the realm of the standards of the mentally sound you've not
done so.
>
>Your 20+ child abuse investigations and
>5 FOUNDEDS, one for child sexual abuse
>sure do make that an interesting thing for you to say.
Since you are lying about Dan's cases, it's not so interesting.
>
>I don't question your being FOUNDED so many
>times for child abuse, but you'd have to PROVE
>you got those 5 FOUNDED reports reversed.
>
If you were half the computer guru you've tried to present
yourself as being, you would have found it.
I don't present myself as a compute guru and I found it.
How is it that after so much time you can't figure it out?
Of course, you're the dullard who couldn't figure out how to get
a police report even after Moe posted very detailed instructions, so
your inability to find anything without aide is to be expected.
>You claimed two of them were reversed
>within 90 days which does NOT fit the pattern
>for any large government bureaucracy,
>but especially the intractable CPS jackasses.
Just because your beloved CPS doesn't work that fast for everyone
doesn't mean it's doesn't work that fast for anyone.
What's so bad about beating CPS, Greg?
A select number of items that really are about Gregory Scott "Piggly
$9850.00 $1500.00 $8350.00
Me: Hey, he used your standards.
Dan Sullivan
"Greegor" <greego...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0e9c4f1b-542a-4c68-
b2dd-961...@c10g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> I guess Kent and you do have a lot in common.
> You've each painted yourself into your own
> corner with your own comments.
See the full information from the links grag posted.
grag has posted himself into a corner by the lies he posts.
> Feb 2002
> Dan Sullivan wrote "I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93."
> [...]
> 'The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
> daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet." '
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/...
What was really written was...
============
I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93.
The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
That's exactly what the CW wrote in my case record and THEN the CW
wrote."We didn't know what the child was trying to say!"
How can something be credible if you didn't know what they were
saying?
===============
> April 2004 Dan Sullivan wrote
> "My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/...
========
==========
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26...
What was really written was...
=========
I was taken to family court because CPS claimed I molested my daughter
and she had stated that fact to the CW and the police. The validator's
report concluded that I did nothing to my daughter and the judge threw
the charges out of court. CPS STILL founded me for the abuse and cited
the validators report which determined that I didn't do anything as
their credible evidence.
The police report stated that my daughter made no accusation about me
to them even though they interviewed her at exactly the same time CPS
did. The CPS case record stated that my daughter said to the CW, "My
daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet." The next
sentence in the case record was, "We didn't know what she was trying
to say." How could CPS claim something was credible when they couldn't
understand it? REVERSED!
============
> Dan, YOU are the one who said that where
> there's smoke there fire.
Specifically in regards to YOUR admissions of inappropriate behavior
on your part which caused the authorities in Iowa to remove your
girlfriend's daughter from her mother's custody, right, grag?
> Your 20+ child abuse investigations and
> 5 FOUNDEDS, one for child sexual abuse
> sure do make that an interesting thing for you to say.
Interesting because I was able to get them all reversed, as explained
in the part of my messages that you failed to post.
> I don't question your being FOUNDED so many
> times for child abuse, but you'd have to PROVE
> you got those 5 FOUNDED reports reversed.
>
> You claimed two of them were reversed
> within 90 days which does NOT fit the pattern
> for any large government bureaucracy,
> but especially the intractable CPS jackasses.
"Fit the pattern?"
You said you've never been to New York.
And you know how the NY State CPS works based on the pattern of which
state's bureaucracy?
kb9rqz
Greegor
http://www.zillow.com/homes/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-Patchogue,-NY-11772_rb/
Recently Sold: $320,000 Zestimate: $447,500 Beds: --
Baths: --Sqft: --
Lot: 16,552Sold On: 09/17/2009
Built: --Details Save Alerts Similar
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-S-Patchogue-NY-11772/59443713_zpid/
http://www.redfin.com/NY/Patchogue/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-11772/home/21226238
Are these direct quotes of what you said, Dan?
Feb 2002
Dan Sullivan wrote "I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93."
[...]
'The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet." '
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
April 2004 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/d15f8e338226b780
July 2007 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26b08f9f2b9
Dan Sullivan
>
> If you don't want to explain this, that's OK, Dan!
>
> http://www.zillow.com/homes/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-Patchogue,-NY-11772_rb/
>
> Recently Sold: $320,000 Zestimate: $447,500 Beds: --
> Baths: --Sqft: --
> Lot: 16,552Sold On: 09/17/2009
> Built: --Details Save Alerts Similar
>
> http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-S-Patchogue-NY-11772/59443713_zpid/
>
> http://www.redfin.com/NY/Patchogue/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-11772/home/21226238
What needs explanation, grag?
> Are these direct quotes of what you said, Dan?
As previously demonstrated they are taken out of context.
Kent Wills
>If you don't want to explain this, that's OK, Dan!
>
What, exactly, need explained, Greg? What aspect of the
information from the link you supply is your drug addled mind unable
to understand?
>http://www.zillow.com/homes/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-Patchogue,-NY-11772_rb/
>
>Recently Sold: $320,000 Zestimate: $447,500 Beds: --
>Baths: --Sqft: --
>Lot: 16,552Sold On: 09/17/2009
>Built: --Details Save Alerts Similar
>
>http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-S-Patchogue-NY-11772/59443713_zpid/
>
>http://www.redfin.com/NY/Patchogue/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-11772/home/21226238
>
>
>Are these direct quotes of what you said, Dan?
>
They are partial quotes. Your deeply rooted psychological NEED
to lie means you were, and are, compelled to quote out of context.
Your drug induced mental retardation (I'm convinced it's not an
act on your part) means you allowed anyone with an interest to
discover this by checking the original posts as archived on Google.
>Feb 2002
>Dan Sullivan wrote "I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93."
>[...]
>'The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
>daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet." '
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
>
>April 2004 Dan Sullivan wrote
>"My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/d15f8e338226b780
>
>July 2007 Dan Sullivan wrote
>"My daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26b08f9f2b9
>
>
A select number of items that really are about Gregory Scott "Piggly
Greegor
http://www.zillow.com/homes/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-Patchogue,-NY-11772_rb/
Recently Sold: $320,000 Zestimate: $447,500 Beds: --
Baths: --Sqft: --
Lot: 16,552Sold On: 09/17/2009
Built: --Details Save Alerts Similar
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-S-Patchogue-NY-11772/59443713_zpid/
http://www.redfin.com/NY/Patchogue/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-11772/home/21226238
DJS3 > What needs explanation, grag?
The timing, the huge markdown, the foreclosure, and your EGO.
Wouldn't they take your inflated EGO as payment, Dan?
Did you want to pretend you weren't one of the
losers who should never have been given
a SUB PRIME mortgage in the first place?
You said it was worth MORE than the
face value of the mortgage.
If that was true, then it would have been
well worth keeping, and paying off.
Are you still trying to say you CHOSE
to sell the house at a time when house
values just took a dive?
Wanna pretend there was no distress involved, Dan?
How are Susan and Kathleen adjusting to
the downsized home?
G > Are these direct quotes of what you said, Dan?
DJS3 > As previously demonstrated they are taken out of context.
So you admit they are accurate quotes, but your
only complaint is that you could not SPIN them?
Poor baby!
You married a BIPOLAR woman and
made BABIES with her.
At what point did you know she was BIPOLAR, Dan?
Do you think normal men choose to marry
and make BABIES with BIPOLAR women?
Feb 2002
Dan Sullivan wrote "I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93."
[...]
'The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet." '
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
April 2004 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/d15f8e338226b780
July 2007 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26b08f9f2b9
What part of these quotes do you think has
been misconstrued, Dan?
Kent Wills
>G > If you don't want to explain this, that's OK, Dan!
>
>http://www.zillow.com/homes/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-Patchogue,-NY-11772_rb/
>
>Recently Sold: $320,000 Zestimate: $447,500 Beds: --
>Baths: --Sqft: --
>Lot: 16,552Sold On: 09/17/2009
>Built: --Details Save Alerts Similar
>
>http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-S-Patchogue-NY-11772/59443713_zpid/
>
>http://www.redfin.com/NY/Patchogue/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-11772/home/21226238
>
>DJS3 > What needs explanation, grag?
>
>The timing, the huge markdown, the foreclosure, and your EGO.
>Wouldn't they take your inflated EGO as payment, Dan?
>
What foreclosure?
>Did you want to pretend you weren't one of the
>losers who should never have been given
>a SUB PRIME mortgage in the first place?
>
You've yet to prove your claim that Dan ever got such a mortgage.
By YOUR standards, this means you've admitted your claim that he did
was and is a lie.
>You said it was worth MORE than the
>face value of the mortgage.
>
When did Dan make this claim? Post the MID to just one of his
posts making this claim, unless you wish to make the tacit admission,
by YOUR standards, that another of your drug induced LIES has been
exposed.
How many of your drug induced lies have you admitted I've
exposed, Greg? I would need to check to be 100% certain, but I'm
thinking you've admitted, by YOUR standards, that I've exposed around
20 drug induced lies from you.
>If that was true, then it would have been
>well worth keeping, and paying off.
>
>Are you still trying to say you CHOSE
>to sell the house at a time when house
>values just took a dive?
When has Dan made the claim you attribute to him? Post the MID to
just one post.
>
>Wanna pretend there was no distress involved, Dan?
>
>How are Susan and Kathleen adjusting to
>the downsized home?
Who are Susan and Kathleen?
>
>G > Are these direct quotes of what you said, Dan?
>
>DJS3 > As previously demonstrated they are taken out of context.
>
>So you admit they are accurate quotes, but your
>only complaint is that you could not SPIN them?
>
Actually, as anyone not ravaged by constant drug use (that's YOU
Greg, unless you lied) can see, he admits your psychological INABILITY
to be honest unless you make a mistake or are forced, caused you to
alter the context of Dan's quote.
>Poor baby!
>
>You married a BIPOLAR woman and
>made BABIES with her.
>At what point did you know she was BIPOLAR, Dan?
Why do you keep asking questions so long AFTER they've been
answered, Greg?
>
>Do you think normal men choose to marry
>and make BABIES with BIPOLAR women?
So only the mentally ill can fall in love with and marry the
mentally ill.
I'll be sure to mention how you admit you are mentally ill, Greg.
Not that the admission from you was needed. You've made it clear your
use and abuse of illegal drugs (unless you lied) has you really messed
up. Your admission does serve to show you've been ill for longer than
I suspected.
Still using and abusing illegal drugs, I see. According to you,
you stalk, using the very definition you posted to accuse others of
stalking you, the members of alt.friends because you use and abuse
illegal drugs. Unless you lied, your continuing to stalk can only
mean you are still using and abusing illegal drugs.
Get into rehab and WORK the program, Greg. That's not an insult.
I'm being serious.
$9850.00 $1500.00 $8350.00
>
>
Greegor
> G > If you don't want to explain this, that's OK, Dan!
>
> http://www.zillow.com/homes/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-Patchogue,-NY-11772_rb/
>
> Recently Sold: $320,000 Zestimate: $447,500 Beds: --
> Baths: --Sqft: --
> Lot: 16,552Sold On: 09/17/2009
> Built: --Details Save Alerts Similar
>
>
> April 2004 Dan Sullivan wrote
>
> July 2007 Dan Sullivan wrote
G > What part of these quotes do you think has
G > been misconstrued, Dan?
Dan?
an old freind
> At one time, not so long ago, "morgangava...@rocketmail.com"
>
> <morgangava...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >> Me: Hey, he used your standards.
> >> Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson: It's textbook psychopathic
> >> reasoning.
>
> >> Greg admitting his standards are psychopathic.
>
> >Is he a relative of Mark Morgan?
>
> � � �Greg's never mentioned Mark, so I've never had any cause to
> check. Since Greg's relatives are of no significant importance to me,
> I doubt I'll make any effort to find out.
he reletad to gavi in my opeaion
Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>G > What part of these quotes do you think has
>G > been misconstrued, Dan?
>
>Dan?
Is there a SPECIFIC reason your drug addled mind is forcing you
to ask a question already answered?
$9850.00 $1500.00 $8350.00
Me: Hey, he used your standards.
Greegor
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/5a400c088ee833c1?hl=en
DJS3 > As previously demonstrated they are taken out of context.
How were your quotes misconstrued, Dan?
kb9rqz
>
> - Show quoted text -
camel toe
<morgan...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:733084fc-d4e8-4271...@x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 12, 10:56?pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> At one time, not so long ago, ex-con (one conviction for OWI and TWO
> convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
> user and abuser of illegal drugs, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
>
> <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >G > Do you want to tie your reputation to Kent Wills, Dan?
>
> >DJS3 > It's your reputation posted by Kent you
> >DJS3 > obviously can't respond to, grag.
>
> >G > Are you saying I haven't responded to Kent Wills?
>
> >KBW > Your posting to the Friends group is your
> >KBW > PROOF that you use and abuse illegal
> >KBW > drugs, Greg.
>
> >A bit like a "shrink wrap contract" ?
>
> accuse others of stalking you, of the members of the group is due to
> "accidentally" removed from Google's public archive (Google still has
> it, so feel free to file a libel suit and fail at one more item in
> life), here's the quote:
>
> drugs, Greg. ?Is the reason for your stalking the members of
> alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?
>
> Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson:
> "Of course."
>
> I've been pointing out it for nearly as long. I began within days of
> your admission. It was added to the "Truth about Gregory Scott Hanson"
> sig many months ago.
> it began so long ago. Another FAILURE to add to your list, though it
> will likely get lost in the massive pile of Gregory Scott Hanson
> failures.
> Since all available evidence shows you fail at EVERYTHING you try, I'd
> like you to share your feelings on your total failure.
> please don't waste time attempting to distract from it. Address the
> TRUTH I've presented and explain how it feels to ALWAYS fail.
>
>
>
> >I bet Dan is proud of you for this logic, Kent!
>
> would be in a far better position to know.
> psychologically UNABLE to be honest, except by accident or force, but
> he would still be in a better position to state if he is or not.
> from this question.
>
> A select number of items that really are about Gregory Scott "Piggly
> Wiggly" Hanson (either directly or through the same standards he
> DEMANDS be held to others):
>
> Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
> CRIMINAL COMPLAINT ? 04/10/1996
> ? ? ?Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
> OTHER CITATION ? 04/10/1996
> ? ? ?Comments: CT 2 SPEED
> Disposition Status
> ? ? ?GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT
>
> "That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
> drugs, Greg. ?Is the reason for your stalking the members of
> alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?
>
> Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:
> "Of course."
>
> "My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
> in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
> the Child Abuse registry, for example."
> abuser
>
> As of Saturday, March 27, 2010:
>
> ? ? ?Comments: OPA $2805.04
> ? ? ?COPIES TO PA
> ? ? ?VERIFICATION OF ACCOUNT
>
> JUDGEMENT DEFAULT
> ? ? ?Comments: JUDGMENT AGAINST GREGORY HANSON FOR $2805.04
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?+ INTEREST AT 7.271% FROM 8/6/98 & $45.00 COSTS.
>
> Comments: NOTE OF GARN/NOTE TO DEFT SERV 9/24/98 BY WCSD
> ? ? ? ? ? FEES $35.60
>
> Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson has a Garnishment order against
> money legally owed has been paid. The SoL on the order has likely
> expired, but Greg still can't risk getting a job due to it.
>
> As of Saturday, March 27, 2010:
> Financials
> Title: STATE OF IOWA VS HANSON, GREG SCOTT
> Case: 06571 AGCR015216 (LINN)
> Citation Number:
>
> ? ? ? ? COSTS ? ? ? 9200.00 ? ? 850.00 ?8350.00 ?
> ? ? ? ? FINE ? ? ? ?500.00 ? ? ?500.00 ?0.00 ? ?
> ? ? ? ? SURCHARGE ? 150.00 ? ? ?150.00 ?0.00 ? ?
> ? ? ? ? RESTITUTION 0.00 ? ? ? ?0.00 ? ?0.00 ? ?
> ? ? ? ? OTHER ? ? ? 0.00 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?0.00 ? ? ?0.00
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?$9850.00 ? ? $1500.00 ? $8350.00
>
> ? ? ?Yes, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson still owes over
> $8000.00 related to his convictions for BEATING his ex-wife.
>
> Me: Hey, he used your standards.
> Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson: It's textbook psychopathic
> reasoning.
>
> Is he a relative of Mark Morgan?
>
>
indeed
kb9rqz
Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
user and abuser of illegal drugs, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
>G > Are these direct quotes of what you said, Dan?
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/5a400c088ee833c1?hl=en
>
>DJS3 > As previously demonstrated they are taken out of context.
>
>How were your quotes misconstrued, Dan?
Why do you ask questions so many times AFTER they've been
answered, Greg? You've been asked this MANY times, yet you never
answer.
Greegor
Greegor
Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
user and abuser of illegal drugs, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>G > Are these direct quotes of what you said, Dan?
>
No, they are non contextual, chosen by you so that it would
appear that your "opponent" is a child molester. No one has done this
to you.
Your information was and is always fully quoted, and in context.
Even your rationalization for the obvious child abuse you inflicted on
Lisa Watkins' daughter.
Your "quotes," constitute Contextomy.
If you wish to get others to believe what your deceptions, this
isn't the way to go about it, given that it's so easy to see through.
It's childish and smacks of whistling past the grave yard. The one
where your past sins are buried and you'd like to keep them that way.
No such luck, child.
You are so uncomfortable with the truth about your spousal and
child abuse that you simply want to try to deflect attention away from
you. It's not working, Greg.
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/5a400c088ee833c1?hl=en
>
>DJS3 > As previously demonstrated they are taken out of context.
>
>How were your quotes misconstrued, Dan?
Contextomy, Greg. And rather childish at that. Aren't you
skillful at anything, even lying?
Clearly not. Dan's already addressed your question, yet you
continue to dishonestly present that he has not by asking it multiple
times. This specific act of deception from you has been exposed so
many times, there is no rational reason for you to continue to use it.
Yet you still do.
Greegor
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/5a400c088ee833c1?hl=en
DJS3 > As previously demonstrated they are taken out of context.
G > How were your quotes misconstrued, Dan?
Were the LINKS I posted to your own messages
taken out of context also, Dan?
Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
user and abuser of illegal drugs, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>G > Are these direct quotes of what you said, Dan?
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/5a400c088ee833c1?hl=en
>
>DJS3 > As previously demonstrated they are taken out of context.
>
>G > How were your quotes misconstrued, Dan?
>
>Were the LINKS I posted to your own messages
>taken out of context also, Dan?
>
You know just as well as anyone else reading, Greg, that your
links don't take the reader to the posts. You could have set it up to
do just that, but your deep rooted psychological NEED to be dishonest
prevented you from doing so.
As you planned, the links you offer take the reader to the
thread, where s/he then must track down, out of possibly hundreds of
posts, the one you reference.
You are counting on most readers being too lazy to search. You
hope they will, at face value, your poorly constructed lies created in
lying contextomy. Any one with a moment or two that checks your
posting history sees that this is the ONLY way you provide links.
You are a wife beater and liar. Plus a self admitted, and proud
of it if your posting history is an accurate indication, child abuser.
Love your laughable excuse for the child abuse you inflicted on
Lisa Rene Watkins' daughter of "it's not illegal" since you supposedly
had Lisa Rene Watkins' permission.
And you accuse Dan of "lawyering up" when he was calling your LIE
regarding your claims about home sales and questioning a family
member.
Greegor
Feb 2002
Dan Sullivan wrote "I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93."
[...]
'The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet." '
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
April 2004 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/d15f8e338226b780
July 2007 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26b08f9f2b9
DJS3 > As previously demonstrated they are taken out of context.
G > How were your quotes misconstrued, Dan?
G > Were the LINKS I posted to your own messages
G > taken out of context also, Dan?
> You know just as well as anyone else reading, Greg, that your
> links don't take the reader to the posts. You could have set it up to
> do just that, but your deep rooted psychological NEED to be dishonest
> prevented you from doing so.
> As you planned, the links you offer take the reader to the
> thread, where s/he then must track down, out of possibly hundreds of
> posts, the one you reference.
Kent, Do you see "/msg/" in each of the 4 links below?
Any idea what /msg/ means in a Google link?
Feb 2002
Dan Sullivan wrote "I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93."
[...]
'The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet." '
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
April 2004 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/d15f8e338226b780
July 2007 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26b08f9f2b9
> You are counting on most readers being too lazy to search. You
> hope they will, at face value, your poorly constructed lies created in
> lying contextomy. Any one with a moment or two that checks your
> posting history sees that this is the ONLY way you provide links.
/msg/ in each one.
> You are a wife beater and liar. Plus a self admitted, and proud
> of it if your posting history is an accurate indication, child abuser.
You are Kent Bradley Wills.
> Love your laughable excuse for the child abuse you inflicted on
> Lisa Rene Watkins' daughter of "it's not illegal" since you supposedly
> had [...] permission.
> And you accuse Dan of "lawyering up" when he was calling your LIE
> regarding your claims about home sales
Dan ran away to hide.
Greegor
Feb 2002
Dan Sullivan wrote "I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93."
[...]
'The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet." '
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
April 2004 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/d15f8e338226b780
July 2007 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26b08f9f2b9
DJS3 > As previously demonstrated they are taken out of context.
G > How were your quotes misconstrued, Dan?
G > Were the LINKS I posted to your own messages
G > taken out of context also, Dan?
> > You know just as well as anyone else reading, Greg, that your
> > links don't take the reader to the posts. You could have set it up to
> > do just that, but your deep rooted psychological NEED to be dishonest
> > prevented you from doing so.
> > As you planned, the links you offer take the reader to the
> > thread, where s/he then must track down, out of possibly hundreds of
> > posts, the one you reference.
G > Kent, Do you see "/msg/" in each of the 4 links below?
G > Any idea what /msg/ means in a Google link?
Feb 2002
Dan Sullivan wrote "I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93."
[...]
'The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet." '
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
April 2004 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/d15f8e338226b780
July 2007 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26b08f9f2b9
> > You are counting on most readers being too lazy to search. You
> > hope they will, at face value, your poorly constructed lies created in
> > lying contextomy. Any one with a moment or two that checks your
> > posting history sees that this is the ONLY way you provide links.
>
G > /msg/ in each one.
>
> > You are a wife beater and liar. Plus a self admitted, and proud
> > of it if your posting history is an accurate indication, child abuser.
>
> You are Kent Bradley Wills.
>
> > Love your laughable excuse for the child abuse you inflicted on
> > [...] daughter of "it's not illegal" since you supposedly
> > had [...] permission.
> > And you accuse Dan of "lawyering up" when he was calling your LIE
> > regarding your claims about home sales
G > Dan ran away to hide.
Posted in alt.support.child-protective-services ONLY:
DJS3 > Re: You're wrong as usual, grag.
How were these LINKS to your posts MISCONSTRUED, Dan?
Were these LINKS in fact to individual messages BY YOU, Dan?
Kent is trying to ""help you out"" by saying these links
are to message threads and not to specific messages
you posted. WHY do you suppose Kent would try that?
DAN, Do you see "/msg/" in each of the 4 links below?
Any idea what /msg/ means in a Google link?
Feb 2002
Dan Sullivan wrote "I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93."
[...]
'The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet." '
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
April 2004 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/d15f8e338226b780
July 2007 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26b08f9f2b9
Were these LINKS to your messages misleading, Dan?
How were the LINKS misconstrued?
Kent Wills
>G > Dan ran away to hide.
>
>Posted in alt.support.child-protective-services ONLY:
Because, unlike you, Dan isn't mentally unstable. A TRUTH proved
many times over.
Dan is more than willing to expose your LIES to only one group,
asCPS.
>DJS3 > Re: You're wrong as usual, grag.
>
>How were these LINKS to your posts MISCONSTRUED, Dan?
>Were these LINKS in fact to individual messages BY YOU, Dan?
>Kent is trying to ""help you out"" by saying these links
>are to message threads and not to specific messages
>you posted. WHY do you suppose Kent would try that?
>
Because I lack your deep rooted psychological NEED to lie, Greg.
>DAN, Do you see "/msg/" in each of the 4 links below?
>Any idea what /msg/ means in a Google link?
Why didn't the ORIGINAL links contain the same thing? Please be
specific.
Oh, feel free to check Message-ID:
<e14657c2-b93d-4081...@y11g200yqm.googlegroups.com> for
the PROOF that you are lying in your present claim.
I hope anyone reading with an interest in seeing your LIE exposed
can check the MID before the post "accidentally" gets removed from
Google's public archive.
$9850.00 $1500.00 $8350.00
Keywords: Gregory Scott Hanson, Lisa Rene Watkins, Kristen Watkins,
Tom Watkins, child abuse, OWI, child molestation, drugs, Greg Hanson,
felony, sexual assault, Donna Joann Hanson, Sandra Lyn Freese, Sandy
Freese, spousal abuse, greegor47, wife beater, sexual assault, James E
Hanson, Jim Hanson, Jimmy Hanson, Kris Watkins
Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
user and abuser of illegal drugs, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>G > Were the LINKS I posted to your own messages
>G > taken out of context also, Dan?
>
>> You know just as well as anyone else reading, Greg, that your
>> links don't take the reader to the posts. You could have set it up to
>> do just that, but your deep rooted psychological NEED to be dishonest
>> prevented you from doing so.
>> As you planned, the links you offer take the reader to the
>> thread, where s/he then must track down, out of possibly hundreds of
>> posts, the one you reference.
>
>Kent, Do you see "/msg/" in each of the 4 links below?
Why not post the ORIGINAL links you posted?
Check Message-ID:
<e14657c2-b93d-4081...@y11g200yqm.googlegroups.com> for
the PROOF of your deception, unless you fear your psychological
INABILITY to be honest, unless you make a mistake or are forces, being
exposed once again.
The choice is yours, Greg.
Note to anyone else reading:
Check the MID quickly as I expect the post to "accidentally" get
removed from Google's public archive shortly after Greg sees this
post.
>
>Any idea what /msg/ means in a Google link?
Yep, it means you were moled (look it up) and have handed me yet
another opportunity to PROVE your admitted use and abuse of illegal
drugs makes it IMPOSSIBLE for you to be honest with intent. And now
people will have a second chance to read how you lied by contextomy.
At least until the "accidental" remove of the post from Google's
public archive.
Why did you quote only the part you did Greg, and leave out the
rest, destroying the context in doing so?
Of course the answer is obvious. Dan defeated your beloved CPS
and NO ONE should ever beat CPS. In your mind, CPS can do NO wrong.
Ever. No matter what.
Fortunately, few share your warped view of CPS.
BEGIN QUOTE:
"I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93.
The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
That's exactly what the CW wrote in my case record and THEN the CW
wrote."We didn't know what the child was trying to say!"
How can something be credible if you didn't know what they were
saying?
I can tell you when you gather all the "evidence" from CPS you'll find
they have nothing but hot air."
END QUOTE
I especially like the last sentence. While I do believe CPS is
necessary (there are people who should NOT be allowed to care for
children), I disagree with your view that CPS is ALWAYS correct in all
things at all times.
When you quote Dan, you commit contextual misrepresentation,
Greg. It is, or certainly should be, more commonly known as just
another of your MANY morally bankrupt ways of lying.
Now show me, and anyone else reading, that the mental retardation
you display on-line is NOT and act by repeating your deception by
asking something truly stupid, like, "wasn't that a direct quote of
Dan Sullivan?"
Your quote wasn't, as I have PROVED. Yours was, and is, a poorly
crafted contextual misquote for purposes of which you are
psychologically UNABLE to admit.
You are a liar. Clearly pathological.
You've also exhibiting your love and support of CPS and hatred of
parents, made claims about Dan and his relatives position regarding
CPS and parents, that if one were to read just your posts alone, in
full, they'd understand YOU are lying, and you are the CPS shill
trying to stop Dan from helping people defeat CPS in family cases.
You are not only a liar, Greg. You are a scum.
You're more than welcome. Exposing your intense LOVE for CPS was
and is entirely my pleasure.
And to think, I "walked" away, allowing you the chance to
continue subverting families about two years ago. Had you not been so
strongly compelled to get me to express my views and opinions, I
wouldn't be aware of all that you've done, and I would never have been
able to expose you for the drug using (unless you lied) CPS shill
you've proved yourself to be.
>
>Feb 2002
>Dan Sullivan wrote "I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93."
>[...]
>'The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
>daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet." '
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
>
>April 2004 Dan Sullivan wrote
>"My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/d15f8e338226b780
>
>July 2007 Dan Sullivan wrote
>"My daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26b08f9f2b9
>
>
>> You are counting on most readers being too lazy to search. You
>> hope they will, at face value, your poorly constructed lies created in
>> lying contextomy. Any one with a moment or two that checks your
>> posting history sees that this is the ONLY way you provide links.
>
>/msg/ in each one.
>
Now.
I encourage everyone reading to check the MID posted above to see
how you used to post the links.
Do so before the post "accidentally" gets removed from Google's
publicly accessible archive.
>> You are a wife beater and liar. Plus a self admitted, and proud
>> of it if your posting history is an accurate indication, child abuser.
>
>You are Kent Bradley Wills.
Your last two posts have proven entertaining and revealing.
You've already admitted, more than once, that you KNOW I am not the
Kent Wills you post about. In fact, you slipped and acknowledged that
my name in real life isn't Kent.
Thus once again you provide proof you are a pathological liar.
That's the revealing part.
You'll have to guess what would be so entertaining in this
instance.
>
>> Love your laughable excuse for the child abuse you inflicted on
>> Lisa Rene Watkins' daughter, Kristen, of "it's not illegal" since you supposedly
>> had Lisa Watkins' permission.
>
>> And you accuse Dan of "lawyering up" when he was calling your LIE
>> regarding your claims about home sales
>
>Dan ran away to hide.
That's YOUR modus operandi. A TRUTH proved nearly every day.
On the occasions when you don't try to HIDE from the truth, you
will often attempt to distract from it. I can't think of a single
time when you've addressed the truth.
>
>> and questioning a family member.
A select number of items that really are about Gregory Scott "Piggly
Wiggly" Hanson:
$9850.00 $1500.00 $8350.00
Keywords: Gregory Scott Hanson, Lisa Rene Watkins, Kristen Watkins,
Greegor
G > Any idea what /msg/ means in a Google link?
KBW > Why didn't the ORIGINAL links contain the
KBW > same thing? Please be specific.
I cannot explain your falsehoods, idiocy
or delusions, Kent.
KBW > Oh, feel free to check Message-ID:
KBW <e14657c2-b93d-4081-aba9-22ff108c753b
KBW > at y11g200yqm.googlegroups.com>
KBW > for the PROOF that you are lying in your present claim.
Google does not directly work with "MID" codes.
The 4 "puppet bear" links I've posted have
not changed.
KBW > I hope anyone reading with an interest in seeing
KBW > your LIE exposed can check the MID before
KBW > the post "accidentally" gets removed from
KBW > Google's public archive.
I don't thinkj Dan wants his 4 "puppet bear"
posts deleted.
G > Are these direct quotes of what you said, Dan?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/eebb001b44da90c2?hl=en
DJS3 > Inaccurate... taken out of context.
How were these LINKS to your posts MISCONSTRUED, Dan?
Were these LINKS in fact to individual messages BY YOU, Dan?
Kent is trying to ""help you out"" by saying these links
are to message threads and not to specific messages
you posted. WHY do you suppose Kent would try that?
DAN, Do you see "/msg/" in each of the 4 links below?
Any idea what /msg/ means in a Google link?
Show us how you RUN AWAY from these questions, Dan!
Greegor
Feb 2002
Dan Sullivan wrote "I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93."
[...]
'The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet." '
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
April 2004 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/d15f8e338226b780
July 2007 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26b08f9f2b9
DJS3 > Inaccurate... taken out of context.
G > How were these LINKS to your posts MISCONSTRUED, Dan?
DJS3 > So you don't disagree that the quotes you
DJS3 > used were inaccurate and taken out of context.
I asked you HOW, since I don't see HOW the
LINKS to your OWN POSTS could be misconstrued.
You would pretend that asking (HOW something is)
is acknoledgement that the thing is PROVED?
Very Willsian. You THINK you are a strategic genius!
NOBODY will see through your deception! LOL
And you still have NOT answered the question.
How were these LINKS to your posts MISCONSTRUED, Dan?
Were these LINKS in fact to individual messages BY YOU, Dan?
Kent is trying to ""help you out"" by saying these links
are to message threads and not to specific messages
you posted. WHY do you suppose Kent would try that?
DAN, Do you see "/msg/" in each of the 4 links below?
Any idea what /msg/ means in a Google link?
Show us how you RUN AWAY from these questions, Dan!
Do you really intend for KENT WILLS to be your
de facto representative, Dan?
Kent asserted that you must have KNOWN
your ex-wife was bipolar before you married her.
Is that true, Dan?
You asked me SO MANY questions and I
answered many of them right here in usenet.
Now you're being "chicken shit" and saying
you will only answer questions sent to you
through US Mail like a written interrogatory.
Can't TAKE what you DISHED OUT, Dan?
Does Kent speak for you? Yes or no?
Greegor
DJS3 > Inaccurate and out of context.
Dan, Anybody reading this can see they are exact quotes.
The best you can reach for is out of context.
But the LINKS might foil that strategy.
Were the LINKS to your quotes misconstrued, Dan?
Is that true, Dan?
Whatever you do, Dan, DO NOT answer
these questions. Do another hit and run.
That will go well for you.
Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
user and abuser of illegal drugs, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
KEYWORDS:
Gregory Scott Hanson, Lisa Rene Watkins, Kristen Watkins, Tom Watkins,
child abuse, OWI, child molestation, drugs, Greg Hanson, felony,
sexual assault, Donna Joann Hanson, Sandra Lyn Freese, Sandy Freese,
spousal abuse, greegor47, wife beater, sexual assault, James E Hanson,
Jim Hanson, Jimmy Hanson, Kris Watkins
>G > How were these LINKS to your posts MISCONSTRUED, Dan?
>
>DJS3 > So you don't disagree that the quotes you
>DJS3 > used were inaccurate and taken out of context.
>
>I asked you HOW, since I don't see HOW the
>LINKS to your OWN POSTS could be misconstrued.
If you cease using and abusing illegal drugs (unless your
admission of such was a lie), you might see how.
>
>You would pretend that asking (HOW something is)
>is acknoledgement that the thing is PROVED?
>
With you, it probably is.
>Very Willsian. You THINK you are a strategic genius!
>NOBODY will see through your deception! LOL
>
Since Dan's offered no deception, your claim is technically
correct. Of course, you hope people won't see that.
Now they will.
You're welcome.
>And you still have NOT answered the question.
Liar.
>
>How were these LINKS to your posts MISCONSTRUED, Dan?
Asked and answered.
You frequently ask questions numerous times AFTER they've been
answered. Since your use of this deception has been exposed so often,
please explain what motivates you to continue to use it.
>Were these LINKS in fact to individual messages BY YOU, Dan?
They are now. You didn't used to link to the messages, as I
PROVED.
>Kent is trying to ""help you out"" by saying these links
>are to message threads and not to specific messages
>you posted. WHY do you suppose Kent would try that?
>
That's not the current claim. Why are you LYING about this,
Greg?
>DAN, Do you see "/msg/" in each of the 4 links below?
>Any idea what /msg/ means in a Google link?
>
>Show us how you RUN AWAY from these questions, Dan!
>
>Do you really intend for KENT WILLS to be your
>de facto representative, Dan?
That I am the one who exposes your lies simply means I am the one
who exposes them. I'm confident Dan could as well, if so motivated.
>
>Kent asserted that you must have KNOWN
>your ex-wife was bipolar before you married her.
There is no way he couldn't. Dan is not stupid.
He knew, and he didn't care. Love has a way of making one more
than willing to live with the flaws of another.
Why are you so OBSESSED about this, Greg?
>
>Is that true, Dan?
>
>You asked me SO MANY questions and I
>answered many of them right here in usenet.
Why do you lie, Greg?
>
>Now you're being "chicken shit" and saying
>you will only answer questions sent to you
>through US Mail like a written interrogatory.
>
Again I request that you post the MID and/or Google link to one
such post from Dan.
>Can't TAKE what you DISHED OUT, Dan?
>
>Does Kent speak for you? Yes or no?
No. I speak for me. That in doing so I expose you for the lying
CPS shill you are, which has the effect of possibly helping Dan,
doesn't mean I speak for him. Not to the sober mind.
Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
user and abuser of illegal drugs, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
KEYWORDS:
Gregory Scott Hanson, Lisa Rene Watkins, Kristen Watkins, Tom Watkins,
child abuse, OWI, child molestation, drugs, Greg Hanson, felony,
sexual assault, Donna Joann Hanson, Sandra Lyn Freese, Sandy Freese,
spousal abuse, greegor47, wife beater, sexual assault, James E Hanson,
Jim Hanson, Jimmy Hanson, Kris Watkins
>G > DAN, Do you see "/msg/" in each of the 4 links below?
>G > Any idea what /msg/ means in a Google link?
>
>KBW > Why didn't the ORIGINAL links contain the
>KBW > same thing? Please be specific.
>
>I cannot explain your falsehoods, idiocy
>or delusions, Kent.
I'm not Dan. You're replying to Dan's post, as proved by the
headers.
[Snip the rest of Greg's PROOF that he has Fregoli or his PROOF that
he is psychologically UNABLE to be honest intentionally]
Reply to MY posts if you want my views and opinions, Greg.
Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
user and abuser of illegal drugs, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
KEYWORDS: Gregory Scott Hanson, Lisa Rene Watkins, Kristen Watkins,
Tom Watkins, child abuse, OWI, child molestation, drugs, Greg Hanson,
felony, sexual assault, Donna Joann Hanson, Sandra Lyn Freese, Sandy
Freese, spousal abuse, greegor47, wife beater, sexual assault, James E
Hanson, Jim Hanson, Jimmy Hanson, Kris Watkins
Again, I use YOUR standards when posting the names, Greg. You
have DEMANDED that it's acceptable to post the names of anyone
associated with a person, so long as they names appear on a site that
gets most everything wrong.
>G > Are these direct quotes of what you said, Dan?
>
>DJS3 > Inaccurate and out of context.
>
>Dan, Anybody reading this can see they are exact quotes.
>The best you can reach for is out of context.
>But the LINKS might foil that strategy.
>Were the LINKS to your quotes misconstrued, Dan?
>
I'm not Dan, of course, but I think I can answer. And honestly,
which is something you are psychologically UNABLE to do intentionally.
You appear to want to confuse people by quoting, then asking a
question concerning the links, rather than admit you quote out of
context.
And yes, the Links were misconstrued. I exposed this and NOW you
post them correctly. At one time you did post and allowed to be
attributed many times links to thread rather than the individual
posts. A truth I've already PROVED.
You are a liar that relies on what you believe to be clever word
manipulation to hide from the truth.
In other words, you do not address the challenge as made, but
simply continue to move the goal posts. And it's so obvious and
stupid a ploy it should keep any reader of your nonsense laughing at
you.
>
>Feb 2002
>Dan Sullivan wrote "I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93."
>[...]
>'The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
>daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet." '
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
>
>April 2004 Dan Sullivan wrote
>"My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/d15f8e338226b780
>
>July 2007 Dan Sullivan wrote
>"My daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26b08f9f2b9
>
>
>DJS3 > Inaccurate... taken out of context.
>
>G > How were these LINKS to your posts MISCONSTRUED, Dan?
>
>DJS3 > So you don't disagree that the quotes you
>DJS3 > used were inaccurate and taken out of context.
>
>I asked you HOW, since I don't see HOW the
>LINKS to your OWN POSTS could be misconstrued.
>
Again, why isolate the links as the issue when the quotes are the
issue. One can easily see that "links" aren't out of context, which
leaves the quotes being what Dan refers to. When Dan's answer
challenges your contextotomy you simply refuse to acknowledge that and
continue to harp on a relatively unimportant detail, which there is no
reason to ask about.
Did Dan challenge the links, or the quotes, Greg?
>You would pretend that asking (HOW something is)
>is acknoledgement that the thing is PROVED?
Ask all you want. You, Dan, I and any other reader KNOW you are
avoiding the issue of having misquoted him by doing so out of context
and thereby refusing to acknowledge his having answered your
'questions,' concerning the QUOTES many times now.
You are as stupid (unable to learn) as you present.
Try
http://askville.amazon.com/recommend-book-researching-English-grammar-syntax-punctuation-questions/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=8895112
Then get back to me after writing a comprehensible sentence.
>
>Very Willsian. You THINK you are a strategic genius!
>NOBODY will see through your deception! LOL
>
Is that anything like, having been challenged on Dan's quote you
post out of context, continually asking about the links by way of a
reply?
It is possible, of course, that someone has been conned by your
deception. I tend to doubt it, but I can't discount the possibility.
>And you still have NOT answered the question.
Dan has. More than once. That you don't like the honest answers
he's given does not mean he's not answered.
>
>How were these LINKS to your posts MISCONSTRUED, Dan?
The LINKS are not the issue, but the quote and your past refusal
to actually link to the quotes.
>Were these LINKS in fact to individual messages BY YOU, Dan?
They were not, as I PROVED. They are now.
>Kent is trying to ""help you out"" by saying these links
>are to message threads and not to specific messages
>you posted. WHY do you suppose Kent would try that?
After you jumped in to change them. You know perfectly well
originally they were to the threads, yet even Dan hasn't challenged
the links, though you pretend he has.
Jumping up and down like a spastic monkey, you refuse to
acknowledge that you quote him out of context. Links aren't quotes.
Links are NOT in dispute. Quotes are.
>
>DAN, Do you see "/msg/" in each of the 4 links below?
>Any idea what /msg/ means in a Google link?
I'm confident he does. Now show us that you didn't quote him out
of context when you posted the links.
>
>Show us how you RUN AWAY from these questions, Dan!
>
About links? Silly boy.
So you can copy and paste a link in full, but you can't copy and
past a quote in full to include the authors context. This means you
are dishonest, a liar. But then, this TRUTH has been proved MANY
times.
>Do you really intend for KENT WILLS to be your
>de facto representative, Dan?
Is that what you and the various posters you fronted for here
were doing when you wrote posts about their claims, and lies trying to
defend them?
You are projecting, as usual.
>
>Kent asserted that you must have KNOWN
>your ex-wife was bipolar before you married her.
Your NEED to distract from the TRUTH that you quoted out of
context is noted.
>
>Is that true, Dan?
>
>You asked me SO MANY questions and I
>answered many of them right here in usenet.
LIAR.
Many is subjective. Your 'many,' turns out to be others 'few.'
And most you avoided for as long as YEARS before you finally, cornered
as a rat, had to answer. Even then, you often LIED until you had NO
choice.
You were not willing to openly and honestly answer questions,
Greg. But you count on any new reader being too lazy to actually look
up your posting history. How many posts of yours have you removed by
now (I have firsthand knowledge of four), Greg, to hide what a liar
you are?
>
>Now you're being "chicken shit" and saying
>you will only answer questions sent to you
>through US Mail like a written interrogatory.
There's nothing chickenshit about inviting you to write directly
to him by snail mail. In fact your unwillingness shows you are trying
to preempt the fact that it is you that is "chickenshit" (I thought
you didn't like when others uses profanity) and terrified of what will
happen if you do write. Isn't that correct, Greg?
If your claim about snail mail is true, Dan has asked you to
write him. He can't expect to cause you any harm if you accept his
invitation to send him snail mail.
>
>Can't TAKE what you DISHED OUT, Dan?
You are delusional. Or are you suggesting that you are so bereft
of brain matter and thinking capacity you are trying to copy Dan's
asking you questions over the years you carefully dodged, or refused
to answer by ignoring?
You were asked straight forward reasonable questions. You did not
answer the vast majority of them. You still haven't for that matter.
Only a few and then only after a great deal of time had passed and you
were left with no other realistic option.
You aren't asking straight forward questions. You are making
claims out of context then demanding they be answered. You are asking
questions that while the subject is in tandem with the real challenge
(what Dan said about the worker's interview with his daughter) is not
related in any way to the issue of the links.
What next, asking Dan questions about whether your commas are
misplaced?
>
>Does Kent speak for you? Yes or no?
>
Is this how you got the judge to roll his eyes? You mistook his
gesture as being aimed at another. It was you that was making him both
laugh and roll his eyes at your simple minded attempts, and failure,
to entrap others.
Do you really think Dan was trying to trap you all those years he
asked about Lisa Watkins case? Those posts read more like trying to
help you until you started stalking, using the same definition you
posted to accuse others of stalking you, new families posting to ASCPS
and trying to get them to lose to CPS.
But then, you were outted as a CPS shill, so your behavior is
understood.
>Whatever you do, Dan, DO NOT answer
>these questions. Do another hit and run.
>
What significance is the accuracy of the links that your question
focusing on "LINKS," has any significance to his answer that you
quotes are out of context?
Screaming "LINKS," each time you are told the quotes are not in
context shows you as the VERY DESPERATE hit and run boy.
Do another.
>That will go well for you.
Only if he is somehow prohibited from laughing at your easily
PROVED acts of deception.
Greegor
Do you really intend for KENT WILLS to be your
de facto representative, Dan?
Kent asserted that you must have KNOWN
your ex-wife was bipolar before you married her.
Is that true, Dan?
You asked me SO MANY questions and I
answered many of them right here in usenet.
Now you're being "chicken shit" and saying
you will only answer questions sent to you
through US Mail like a written interrogatory.
Can't TAKE what you DISHED OUT, Dan?
Does Kent speak for you? Yes or no?
Whatever you do, Dan, DO NOT answer
these questions. Do another hit and run.
That will go well for you.
Feb 2002
Dan Sullivan wrote "I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93."
[...]
'The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet." '
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
April 2004 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/d15f8e338226b780
July 2007 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26b08f9f2b9
http://www.zillow.com/homes/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-Patchogue,-NY-11772_rb/
Recently Sold: $320,000 Zestimate: $447,500 Beds: --
Baths: --Sqft: --
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Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
user and abuser of illegal drugs, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
KEYWORDS: Gregory Scott Hanson, Lisa Rene Watkins, Kristen Watkins,
Tom Watkins, child abuse, OWI, child molestation, drugs, Greg Hanson,
felony, sexual assault, Donna Joann Hanson, Sandra Lyn Freese, Sandy
Freese, spousal abuse, greegor47, wife beater, sexual assault, James E
Hanson, Jim Hanson, Jimmy Hanson, Kris Watkins
>Show us how you RUN AWAY from these questions, Dan!
>
>Do you really intend for KENT WILLS to be your
>de facto representative, Dan?
Asked and answered, child.
My word but you are stupid!
>
>Kent asserted that you must have KNOWN
>your ex-wife was bipolar before you married her.
>
>Is that true, Dan?
A&A
You are stupid.
>
>You asked me SO MANY questions and I
>answered many of them right here in usenet.
You answered very few, and ONLY after you had NO choice.
>
>Now you're being "chicken shit" and saying
>you will only answer questions sent to you
>through US Mail like a written interrogatory.
>
>Can't TAKE what you DISHED OUT, Dan?
>
>Does Kent speak for you? Yes or no?
A&A
You are stupid.
>
>Whatever you do, Dan, DO NOT answer
>these questions. Do another hit and run.
>
Let's pretend he does so. Will he be in violation of your
trademark?
Greegor
> Show us how you RUN AWAY from these questions, Dan!
>
> Do you really intend for KENT WILLS to be your
> de facto representative, Dan?
>
> Kent asserted that you must have KNOWN
> your ex-wife was bipolar before you married her.
>
> Is that true, Dan?
>
> You asked me SO MANY questions and I
> answered many of them right here in usenet.
>
> Now you're being "chicken shit" and saying
> you will only answer questions sent to you
> through US Mail like a written interrogatory.
>
> Can't TAKE what you DISHED OUT, Dan?
>
> Does Kent speak for you? Yes or no?
>
> Whatever you do, Dan, DO NOT answer
> these questions. Do another hit and run.
>
> That will go well for you.
>
> Feb 2002
> Dan Sullivan wrote "I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93."
> [...]
> 'The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
>
> April 2004 Dan Sullivan wrote
>
> July 2007 Dan Sullivan wrote
>
> http://www.zillow.com/homes/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-Patchogue,-NY-11772_rb/
>
> Recently Sold: $320,000 Zestimate: $447,500 Beds: --
> Baths: --Sqft: --
> Lot: 16,552Sold On: 09/17/2009
> Built: --Details Save Alerts Similar
>
>
> http://www.redfin.com/NY/Patchogue/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-11772/home/21226238
>
> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:lXIn3pOhAbQJ:www...
>
> http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?encType=1&where1=6+S+Pinelake+D...
>
> http://www.longislandadvance.net/
Dan ran way from these questions.
Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
user and abuser of illegal drugs, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
KEYWORDS: Gregory Scott Hanson, Lisa Rene Watkins, Kristen Watkins,
Tom Watkins, child abuse, OWI, child molestation, drugs, Greg Hanson,
felony, sexual assault, Donna Joann Hanson, Sandra Lyn Freese, Sandy
Freese, spousal abuse, greegor47, wife beater, sexual assault, James E
Hanson, Jim Hanson, Jimmy Hanson, Kris Watkins
[...]
>
>Dan ran way from these questions.
Since the questions have already been answered, your continued
asking of them only servers to PROVE that you are desperate to avoid
the truth.
Get off the drugs, Greg. You slipped and admitted that you stalk
(by the same definition you posted to accuse others of stalking you)
the members of alt.friends. Unless you lied, which is possible, you
are offering proof that you still use and abuse illegal drugs.
Greegor
Do you really intend for KENT WILLS to be your
de facto representative, Dan?
Kent asserted that you must have KNOWN
your ex-wife was bipolar before you married her.
Is that true, Dan?
You asked me SO MANY questions and I
answered many of them right here in usenet.
Now you're being "chicken shit" and saying
you will only answer questions sent to you
through US Mail like a written interrogatory.
Can't TAKE what you DISHED OUT, Dan?
Does Kent speak for you? Yes or no?
Whatever you do, Dan, DO NOT answer
these questions. Do another hit and run.
That will go well for you.
Feb 2002
Dan Sullivan wrote "I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93."
[...]
'The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet." '
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
April 2004 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/d15f8e338226b780
July 2007 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26b08f9f2b9
http://www.zillow.com/homes/6-S-Pinelake-Dr-Patchogue,-NY-11772_rb/
Recently Sold: $320,000 Zestimate: $447,500 Beds: --
Baths: --Sqft: --
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Greegor
> to your ex did you know she was bipolar?
> Before you married her?
> Before your first baby was born with her?
> Before your second baby was born with her?
>
> Why did you pick a BIPOLAR woman to
> marry and make BABIES with, Dan?
>
> Do you think normal men choose to marry
> and make babies with such women?
>
> She didn't deceive you at all, did she, Dan?
>
> You've been very condemning and dismissive
> of Kathleen with a brain disease considering
> that you married and made BABIES with
> a BIPOLAR woman.
>
> Were you that condemning and dismissive
> with your ex-wife when you married her
> and made BABIES with her?
>
> You said you want me to send you these
> questions in paper form, as in a written
> deposition or interrogatory.
>
> You've been very good at asking questions
> but not very good at answering logical
> questions about your own statements.
>
> Why is that, Dan?
>
> Why did you RUN AWAY from
> answering these questions, Dan?
Show us how you RUN AWAY from these questions, Dan!
Do you really intend for KENT WILLS to be your
de facto representative, Dan?
Kent asserted that you must have KNOWN
your ex-wife was bipolar before you married her.
Is that true, Dan?
You asked me SO MANY questions and I
answered many of them right here in usenet.
Now you're being "chicken shit" and saying
you will only answer questions sent to you
through US Mail like a written interrogatory.
Can't TAKE what you DISHED OUT, Dan?
Does Kent speak for you? Yes or no?
G > Whatever you do, Dan, DO NOT answer
G > these questions. Do another hit and run.
G >
G > That will go well for you.
DJS3 > What's gonna happen, grag?
Proving how gutless you are, Dan?
Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
user and abuser of illegal drugs, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
KEYWORDS: Gregory Scott Hanson, Lisa Rene Watkins, Kristen Watkins,
Tom Watkins, child abuse, OWI, child molestation, drugs, Greg Hanson,
felony, sexual assault, Donna Joann Hanson, Sandra Lyn Freese, Sandy
Freese, spousal abuse, greegor47, wife beater, sexual assault, James E
Hanson, Jim Hanson, Jimmy Hanson, Kris Watkins
Please, Greg, whine some more about how I adopted YOUR standards
and how unfair it is that I used them to expose you for the sad,
pathetic, CPS shill you are.
>Show us how you RUN AWAY from these questions, Dan!
You are far more the expert on RUNNING and HIDING from questions,
Greg.
>
>Do you really intend for KENT WILLS to be your
>de facto representative, Dan?
>
Presumption, hostile, and manipulative questioning.
Do you presume that all responses on Usenet about another
constitute de facto representation of that person?
Do you recall your posts discussing various posters and answering
for them? Your drunken buddy (Pangborn, unless he lied) is but one.
Were you his de facto representative? If not you are hard pressed
to show that I am Dan's.
>Kent asserted that you must have KNOWN
>your ex-wife was bipolar before you married her.
>
That's not the assertion I made, stupid. The assertion was that
"people," will know by the time marriage is a consideration in an
relationship.
While one may not know after a few dates, once marriage becomes a
realistic option, there is no way for the other not to know. Unless
the other is so stupid mental retardation is somehow involved.
Do you still maintain that you had NO clue as to Donna's mental
illness when you and she got married?
>Is that true, Dan?
>
Not quite. It's close, but you are UNABLE to accurately
represent what I posted, since you can't be honest with intent, unless
you believe doing so will promote a lie.
>You asked me SO MANY questions and I
>answered many of them right here in usenet.
You dodged, you ran - mostly ran in fact, and didn't respond at
all to many. You ask questions to misdirect to another issue as your
"answer," so often there is no reasonable way to count them all.
I've mentioned what people would find it they read your posting
history, Greg. That gives me an idea. YOU read your posting history,
and if you have any morals at all you will blush over your LIE that
you answered questions when asked.
Start when you posted with the name Lisa Watkins, then move on to
post where you used your name.
>
>Now you're being "chicken shit" and saying
>you will only answer questions sent to you
>through US Mail like a written interrogatory.
He's willing to put his answered in writing, writing that can't
be changed or denied once out of his hands. Yet you want answers here
that an be later removed, even changed by you in future comments (not
the original posts, but your deceptive twisting of them), and HE'S
chicken shit?
You ARE a STUPID child.
>
>Can't TAKE what you DISHED OUT, Dan?
He's making it better for you. You'll have his "confessions,"
right in hand. He can't claim forgery as so easily done on the groups.
And he can't expect to have any legal action be successful, since,
according to you, he's made the offer on Usenet.
You have his address, right? You have claimed, multiple times,
that you do.
What's stopping you? What's stopping you from writing and asking
his family members the questions about them you asked him?
Could it be that you KNOW our Dan is not the Dan you have been
obsessively ranting about for so long?
Every consider where that might take you should you continue it?
We (tinw) are tolerant here, and don't want to lose you. Your
ongoing comedy brings a bit of cheer to an otherwise dreary Usenet,
since you drove all the families away that came for help, while you
fink for CPS.
You won't write, Greg. You know what is likely to happen to you
if you do.
>
>Does Kent speak for you? Yes or no?
>
A&A
>Whatever you do, Dan, DO NOT answer
>these questions. Do another hit and run.
>
>That will go well for you.
You want him to answer, then tell him not to do so.
Do you really think your behavior is normal?
>
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>
>Dan ran way from these questions.
Those are links, not questions.
You are STUPID!
Greegor
G > these questions. Do another hit and run.
G >
G > That will go well for you.
DJS3 > What's gonna happen, grag?
G > Proving how gutless you are, Dan?
DJS3 > I'll answer any legitimate question you mail to me, grag.
Does that mean that all of your questions are illegitimate. Dan?