Flu shot destroys baby Saba's life
john
Mar 20, 2011 3:40pm
http://www.optuszoo.com.au/news/top/perth-now/flu-shot-destroys-baby-sabas-life/321294
THIS time last year, Saba Button was a beautiful, thriving 11-month-old.
She'd just taken her first three steps, and spoken her first three words.
She was perfect in almost every way.
Her mum and dad, Kirsten and Mick, chose to follow the Health Department
recommendation and give Saba the flu vaccination.
What they thought was a simple and responsible decision has - in the blink
of an eye - destroyed the health and happiness of this very decent family.
Saba had her vaccination at lunchtime, by dinner time she was softly moaning
in her cot, with a raging temperature of 40.2 degrees. Life was limping out
of her.
Saba then began a desperate fight. After two days in ICU at PMH her family
was called in to say goodbye. Kirsten and Mick refused to give up. So did
Saba.
She survived but she's now a very different child. Saba has an acquired
brain injury from prolonged seizures, it's a global injury, she is no longer
able to walk or talk, or eat by mouth.
What makes this story so desperately sad is her parents believe the injury
to their daughter could have been prevented.
In the days leading up to Saba's flu jab, 111 other Perth children had
suffered adverse reactions.
The Health Department must have known about these terrible outcomes, but
didn't issue a warning to parents.
Indeed, while Saba was in ICU clinging to life, nobody in the medical
bureaucracy stepped in to stop the program.
So, this wasn't like a car accident that couldn't be avoided. This was a
crash where the alarm bells had been ringing for days, if not weeks.
I'd like to know if medical practitioners armed with the knowledge of the
adverse reactions were vaccinating their children? Or was it just the
innocent deluded public, who trust in their health authorities?
This family's beautiful life has been destroyed. Mick and Kirsten pass in
hospital corridors, tag teaming so Saba is never left alone. Their son -
Cooper - has lost the tight family unit of a year ago. His sister will never
be the same.
I've cried myself to sleep this week, thinking it could have been my family,
it could have been yours.
Surely the health department needs to answer a few questions like, when did
they know Saba could be at serious risk? Why didn't it pull the program when
it was so clear it was going so horribly wrong? And, how can they assure us
it will be any different this year?
* Dixie Marshall's exclusive interview with Kirsten and Mick Button on Nine
News, Monday at 6pm
http://whale.to/vaccines/flu.html
dr_jeff
fevers all the time. This could be just coincidence. Please provide the
evidence that kids who get the shots get sick as a result of the shots.
Jeff
Happy Oyster
>Flu shot destroys baby Saba's life
Flu killed 22 million people.
.
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carole
"dr_jeff" <u...@msu.edu> wrote in message news:ILGdnTHKsvyjUhrQ...@giganews.com...
> Can you please prove that this was the flu shot? I mean little kids get fevers all the time. This could be
> just coincidence. Please provide the evidence that kids who get the shots get sick as a result of the shots.
>
> Jeff
What's the matter Jeff, are you living in the land of denial where no harm ever results from vaccinations?
--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
"The common objection 'I don't believe in conspiracies' need not be taken seriously, since every meeting
behind closed doors is a conspiracy. All diplomacy, foreign policy, business decisions and political
strategies are done in this way. Conspiracies happen every day." -Peter Myers
dr_jeff
> "dr_jeff"<u...@msu.edu> wrote in message news:ILGdnTHKsvyjUhrQ...@giganews.com...
>> Can you please prove that this was the flu shot? I mean little kids get fevers all the time. This could be
>> just coincidence. Please provide the evidence that kids who get the shots get sick as a result of the shots.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> What's the matter Jeff, are you living in the land of denial where no harm ever results from vaccinations?
Not at all. With everything, there is a risk and benefit. The benefit of
vaccines far outweigh their risk. But the reality is that kids who don't
get vaccines get sick, too. As unfortunate as this illness is, there is
no evidence evidence presented that the vaccine had anything to do with it.
Jeff
carole
"dr_jeff" <u...@msu.edu> wrote in message news:l9ydnZNQZb1t5xXQ...@giganews.com...
How do you know that the benefits outweigh the risks?
I don't think there have ever been any studies to compare the overall health of vaccinated children against
unvaccinated.
Yes, we are all trained to think that vaccinations are beneficial but then there's a steep rise in autism that
has never been adequately explained.
john
"carole" <hubbc...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:Q4Zhp.13660$MF5....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
>
> "dr_jeff" <u...@msu.edu> wrote in message
> news:ILGdnTHKsvyjUhrQ...@giganews.com...
>> Can you please prove that this was the flu shot? I mean little kids get
>> fevers all the time. This could be just coincidence. Please provide the
>> evidence that kids who get the shots get sick as a result of the shots.
>>
>> Jeff
>
Jeff = http://whale.to/b/reptilian_hosting.html
http://whale.to/b/psychopaths_h.html
see also personality traits
http://whale.to/b/authoritarian_personality_traits.html
"Nothing shows lack of conscience better than bold-faced lying."---Bob
Altemeyer
David Brown
The problem is greater than that: Even if it were provable that the
VACCINATION caused her death, it wouldn't necessarily follow that the
VACCINE was at fault. Historically, the most common cause of "vaccine
injury" was an infection from a contaminated vaccine or improperly
sterilized needle, which doesn't really have anything to do with the
vaccine itself. I suspect that such injuries are STILL more likely to
happen than any other adverse event.
carole
> "carole" <hubbca2...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>
> news:Q4Zhp.13660$MF5....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
>
>
>
> > "dr_jeff" <u...@msu.edu> wrote in message
> >news:ILGdnTHKsvyjUhrQ...@giganews.com...
> >> Can you please prove that this was the flu shot? I mean little kids get
> >> fevers all the time. This could be just coincidence. Please provide the
> >> evidence that kids who get the shots get sick as a result of the shots.
>
> >> Jeff
>
> Jeff = http://whale.to/b/reptilian_hosting.htmlhttp://whale.to/b/psychopaths_h.html
John, can you prove that there are reptilians?
This is one topic of Icke's I have problems with.
>
> see also personality traitshttp://whale.to/b/authoritarian_personality_traits.html
I just put Jeff's dumbed-down outlook down to the education system.
It takes years of study and focus to become a doctor of any sort.
Anybody who constantly is questioning the information wouldn't be able
to keep up and would fall behind.
--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
"It can be proven that most claimed research findings are false." --
John P. A. Ioannidis
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124
dr_jeff
Nice personal attacks. That's your best argument.
dr_jeff
> "dr_jeff"<u...@msu.edu> wrote in message news:l9ydnZNQZb1t5xXQ...@giganews.com...
>> On 3/22/11 4:28 AM, carole wrote:
>>> "dr_jeff"<u...@msu.edu> wrote in message news:ILGdnTHKsvyjUhrQ...@giganews.com...
>>>> Can you please prove that this was the flu shot? I mean little kids get fevers all the time. This could be
>>>> just coincidence. Please provide the evidence that kids who get the shots get sick as a result of the
>>>> shots.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> What's the matter Jeff, are you living in the land of denial where no harm ever results from vaccinations?
>>
>> Not at all. With everything, there is a risk and benefit. The benefit of vaccines far outweigh their risk.
>> But the reality is that kids who don't get vaccines get sick, too. As unfortunate as this illness is, there
>> is no evidence evidence presented that the vaccine had anything to do with it.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>
> How do you know that the benefits outweigh the risks?
> I don't think there have ever been any studies to compare the overall health of vaccinated children against
> unvaccinated.
How many people died from small pox last year? None. Thanks to vaccines.
I don't think there are any studies to compare the overall health of
kids who starve and kids who are feed normal amounts of food, either.
But, we know that food helps kids grow.
There is no scientifically sound reason to believe that, except for rare
cases of vaccine reactions, kids or adults who get vaccines are more
likely to be harmed by them than when kids or adults get the illnesses
that the vaccines protect against. None. None based on the mechanisms
of how vaccines work or based on how the immune system works.
> Yes, we are all trained to think that vaccinations are beneficial but then there's a steep rise in autism that
> has never been adequately explained.
So? It has been shown repeatedly that there is no association between
vaccines and autism. None. There is no plausible mechanism, either.
Jeff
dr_jeff
> On Mar 22, 11:44 pm, "john"<nos...@bt.com> wrote:
>> "carole"<hubbca2...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>>
>> news:Q4Zhp.13660$MF5....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> "dr_jeff"<u...@msu.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:ILGdnTHKsvyjUhrQ...@giganews.com...
>>>> Can you please prove that this was the flu shot? I mean little kids get
>>>> fevers all the time. This could be just coincidence. Please provide the
>>>> evidence that kids who get the shots get sick as a result of the shots.
>>
>>>> Jeff
>>
>> Jeff = http://whale.to/b/reptilian_hosting.htmlhttp://whale.to/b/psychopaths_h.html
>
> John, can you prove that there are reptilians?
> This is one topic of Icke's I have problems with.
>
>>
>> see also personality traitshttp://whale.to/b/authoritarian_personality_traits.html
>
> I just put Jeff's dumbed-down outlook down to the education system.
> It takes years of study and focus to become a doctor of any sort.
> Anybody who constantly is questioning the information wouldn't be able
> to keep up and would fall behind.
Nice personal attack.
Your best argument.
Jeff
john
"carole" <hubbc...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message >John, can you prove
>This is one topic of Icke's I have problems with.
I only try and prove things to myself, I then put the info on whale, so make
up your own mind. It is against my beliefs now to change anyones mind. You
can't prove a negative, so in effect, you have to prove they exist to get at
the truth, which is not a stance most people want to entertain.
Trying to prove something to someone is a waste of time, as you can't wake
someone up who is pretending to be asleep. Been round that loop. 'Can you
prove' is an indication you are pretending to be asleep, bit like use of the
word 'conspiracy'.
>
> see also personality
> traitshttp://whale.to/b/authoritarian_personality_traits.html
>I just put Jeff's dumbed-down outlook down to the education system.
There is no doubt a med education is the finest brainwashing money can buy,
but Jeff isn't that stupid, he knows, like they all do at the top, and he
runs with Barrett, and he knows for sure. A 12 year old kid could work it
out given the information.
carole
> "carole" <hubbca2...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message >John, can you prove
>
> that there are reptilians?
>
> >This is one topic of Icke's I have problems with.
>
> I only try and prove things to myself, I then put the info on whale, so make
> up your own mind. It is against my beliefs now to change anyones mind. You
> can't prove a negative, so in effect, you have to prove they exist to get at
> the truth, which is not a stance most people want to entertain.
>
> Trying to prove something to someone is a waste of time, as you can't wake
> someone up who is pretending to be asleep. Been round that loop. 'Can you
> prove' is an indication you are pretending to be asleep, bit like use of the
> word 'conspiracy'.
I just think you're pushing things a bit expecting anybody to believe
in reptilians.
Hell, people can't even handle the idea of major conspiracies and keep
rationalising that everything is can be explained by human weakness or
stupidity. Nor do I think it is necessary to prove if reptilians exist
or not. First and foremost it is more important to accept there is
conspiracy, the depths of the conspiracy and how it affects how
society operates.
>
> > see also personality
> > traitshttp://whale.to/b/authoritarian_personality_traits.html
> >I just put Jeff's dumbed-down outlook down to the education system.
>
> There is no doubt a med education is the finest brainwashing money can buy,
> but Jeff isn't that stupid, he knows, like they all do at the top, and he
> runs with Barrett, and he knows for sure. A 12 year old kid could work it
> out given the information.
You've got to realise that anybody who gets a degree in medicine has
to be very committed with no time to question anything. The only way
they survive is by going along with whatever they're being taught.
--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
"There is increasing concern that in modern research, false findings
may be the majority or even the vast majority of published research
claims." --John P. A. Ioannidis http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124
john
in reptilians.
Hell, people can't even handle the idea of major conspiracies and keep
rationalising that everything is can be explained by human weakness or
stupidity. Nor do I think it is necessary to prove if reptilians exist
or not. First and foremost it is more important to accept there is
conspiracy, the depths of the conspiracy and how it affects how
society operates.
Everyone has to accept as much truth as they can handle, and we all have
different paths. I got bored after I proved the medical conspiracy, so
moved on down the rabbit hole, after all, if you want to kill the 'rabbit'
you have to go after it.
john
john
"john" <nos...@bt.com> wrote in message
news:P5WdnfTy4LVKThTQ...@bt.com...
>
I spent over 10 years arguing with the likes of jeff, was good fun and
useful. I realise now I have been studying and exposing Evil, which has
done a pretty good job of hiding itself. Allopathy is Evil, part of the
Church of Satan.
Don Harkins wrote a good system http://whale.to/b/sl.html he got killed
with a beam weapon for his efforts, so you can see why people stop at
various veils or ledges on the mountain of Truth
Peter Parry
>Don Harkins wrote a good system http://whale.to/b/sl.html he got killed
>with a beam weapon for his efforts,
Impossible, he was a true a true vaccine conspiracy theorist and
according to your site he had, and regularly used, a Huldazapper
which, as all know, is most efficacious in every case, even
alcoholism.
His occupation as a carpet cleaner obviously exposed him to threats
from extra terrestrials who lived in carpets but a combination of the
Huldazapper and beetroot juice would have seen them all off.
Admittedly he didn't take his chlorophyll and carrot juice but that
counts for nothing compared with the awesome power of the Huldazapper
(most efficacious in every case).
Are you claiming the Huldazapper (most efficacious in every case)
didn't work? Or that it had been tampered with by green lizards?
These are important matters and we should be told why the Huldazapper
(most efficacious in every case) failed so quickly in this dire
situation.
news
>
> "dr_jeff" <u...@msu.edu> wrote in message
> news:l9ydnZNQZb1t5xXQ...@giganews.com...
>> On 3/22/11 4:28 AM, carole wrote:
>>> "dr_jeff"<u...@msu.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:ILGdnTHKsvyjUhrQ...@giganews.com...
>>>> Can you please prove that this was the flu shot? I mean little kids get
>>>> fevers all the time. This could be
>>>> just coincidence. Please provide the evidence that kids who get the
>>>> shots get sick as a result of the shots.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> What's the matter Jeff, are you living in the land of denial where no
>>> harm ever results from vaccinations?
>>
>> Not at all. With everything, there is a risk and benefit. The benefit of
>> vaccines far outweigh their risk. But the reality is that kids who don't
>> get vaccines get sick, too. As unfortunate as this illness is, there is
>> no evidence evidence presented that the vaccine had anything to do with
>> it.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>
> How do you know that the benefits outweigh the risks?
> I don't think there have ever been any studies to compare the overall
> health of vaccinated children against unvaccinated.
> Yes, we are all trained to think that vaccinations are beneficial but then
> there's a steep rise in autism that has never been adequately explained.
The Geek Syndrome. Look it up.
sir
Carole, did you attend medical school?
I didn't think so.
Then how would you know what anyone does in medical school?
As usual, you're just speculating out of ignorance.
Not unlike the wolf, who looks up at the night sky, and howls.
> --
> Carole
> www.conspiracee.com
> "Sometimes the cellsalts result in diarrhoea, or the runs, and
> sometimes not. I notice after these so-called bouts of the runs, I
> usually feel healthier and think this is nature’s way of cleaning the
> body."
> http://tinyurl.com/4d4gq8t
Jan Drew
> Can you please prove that this was the flu shot?
He did. Now, prove you are a doctor.
A current medical license with do nicely.
> Jeff
Flu shot destroys baby Saba's life
Mar 20, 2011 3:40pm
http://www.optuszoo.com.au/news/top/perth-now/flu-shot-destroys-baby-...
Jan Drew
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:29:16 -0000, in misc.health.alternative,
>
> "john" <nos...@bt.com> wrote:
> >Don Harkins wrote a good systemhttp://whale.to/b/sl.html he got killed
> >with a beam weapon for his efforts, so you can see why people stop at
> >various veils or ledges on the mountain of Truth
>
Calling Jeffrey Utz. Bob just posted a personal attack.
>
> http://whale.to/b/harkins.html
>
> What do you know, Whale.to is good for something.
Yes he has done much research, and posted the facts.
>
> --
> Bob Officer
Insult deleted.
john
"sir" <sir_c...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >
> Carole, did you attend medical school?
> I didn't think so.
> Then how would you know what anyone does in medical school?
> As usual, you're just speculating out of ignorance.
> Not unlike the wolf, who looks up at the night sky, and howls.
>
you can tell what went on by what came out, brainwashed and arrogant. And
by personal accounts http://whale.to/c/devilspriests.html
Jan Drew
On Mar 24, 3:06 am, Bob Officer <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 00:02:22 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
>
>
>
>
>
> Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 23, 10:18 pm, Bob Officer <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:29:16 -0000, in misc.health.alternative,
>
> >> "john" <nos...@bt.com> wrote:
> >> >Don Harkins wrote a good systemhttp://whale.to/b/sl.htmlhe got killed
> >> >with a beam weapon for his efforts, so you can see why people stop at
> >> >various veils or ledges on the mountain of Truth
>
> >> The story of a fool and idiot.
>
> >Calling Jeffrey Utz. Bob just posted a personal attack.
>
> >>http://whale.to/b/harkins.html
>
> >> What do you know, Whale.to is good for something.
>
Yes he has done much research, and posted the facts.
>
>
>
> >Insult deleted.
>
carole
"john" <nos...@bt.com> wrote in message news:G7qdnaphbs8D_hfQ...@bt.com...
I didn't get bored but moved into other conspiracy topics to get a better idea of what was going on.
Some people are prone to say there is no conspiracy because people would have picked up on it.
However, when the conspiracy is really big and involves all facets of life and all walks of human endeavour,
it becomes the big lie and people are inclined to accept it.
--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
"Of course, no one in this modern day and age really believes in the conspiracy theory of history - except
those who have taken the time to study the subject." -Gary Allen
>
>
>
john
> idea of what was going on.
> Some people are prone to say there is no conspiracy because people would
> have picked up on it.
> However, when the conspiracy is really big and involves all facets of life
> and all walks of human endeavour, it becomes the big lie and people are
> inclined to accept it.
>
I agree, I exposed the medical conspiracy, but you can't really see how that
exists without looking at the wider conspiracy. It is also like hacking at
the branches, you are never going to kill the medical beast unless you go
after it's roots, wherever it takes you. It is only one conspiracy, the
medical is just one head of the hydra. It can only exists if they control
the government, and so on
Happy Oyster
>I didn't get bored but moved into other conspiracy topics
Carole Hubbard is insane, to say the least.
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Happy Oyster
>I agree, I exposed the medical conspiracy,
Wrong. "John", the pigfarmer who burnt his bacon, makes insane claims.
john
"Lu" <Lu_...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> No, I don't accept your conspiracy theories because they are just too big
> to
> pull off.
>
Pity we have absolutely overwhelming evidence of a medical monopoly,
eg cancer http://whale.to/a/cancer_c.html
a conspiracy in other words.
and Mussolini said Fascism should have been called Corporatism as it is the
merger of state and business.
so you don't have to be too bright to see we actually have a Fascist system
and using the term 'conspiracy theory'
http://www.whale.to/a/conspiracy.html
means you are:
1. A pyjama person http://www.whale.to/b/pyjama_person.html
2. A perp'
take you pick
sir
Kindly go see your psychiatrist.
The meds you're on obviously aren't working.
dr_jeff
You left out 3. A sane person who is able to see the evidence that
alternative medicine (aka, con-med, conjecture-based medicine) doesn't
work, and that the treatments used by conventional medicine have been
shown to work. There is no conspiracy. Rather, the treatments that don't
work have just not be promoted because they don't work.
Have a great day.
Jeff
john
> The meds you're on obviously aren't working.
that's ad hominem, obviously, which is the sign of a perp
john
"Lu" <Lu_...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:o->
> Unfortunately, we live in a world where there are no secrets, therefore,
> no
> conspiracies.
>
LOL, you perps
sir
The shoe fits.
You wear it well.
Get your meds changed, wacko.
Happy Oyster
>Maybe there is this big conspiracy that only the nuts know about because no
>sane person would believe them.
>
>Unfortunately, we live in a world where there are no secrets, therefore, no
>conspiracies.
Well, there are conspiracies! And there is a lot of them. But those, who commit
them, are the esotters. It is them who in secret circles make their complots on
how to fraud patients and how to fraud the legal system.
--
Evolutionary Plan
http://www.journalist.is/evolutionary_plan.jpg
Happy Oyster
Says John, the pigfarmer, who burnt his bacon, and who intensively is making ad
hominem insults.
enigma
news:ime7sk$r9k$2...@speranza.aioe.org:
>> How do you know that the benefits outweigh the risks?
because far more children survive to adulthood than happened 50 years
ago before vaccines.
>> I don't think there have ever been any studies to compare the
>> overall health of vaccinated children against unvaccinated.
seriously? go take a walk through *any* pre-1940s cemetary and look at
all the dead children. whole family groups dying within days or weeks
of each other.
>> Yes, we are all trained to think that vaccinations are beneficial
>> but then there's a steep rise in autism that has never been
>> adequately explained.
i was born before most of the modern vaccines. i'm autistic. my
brothers, my father & most likely my grandfater are also very likely
autistic. try again, only look at heredity this time.
> The Geek Syndrome. Look it up.
yes, exactly.
lee
albert.macintosh
That is very very sad to hear that a Baby is passed due to Flu.
--
albert.macintosh
dr_jeff
> That is very very sad to hear that a Baby is passed due to Flu.
Sadly, the flu shot was most likely a coincidence and had nothing to do
with the child's death. But it is still very sad that the child died.
And, that the child's death is being used against life-saving vaccines.
Unfortunately, people remember unfounded fears, as is seen in Minnesota:
<http://www.heartland.org/healthpolicy-news.org/article/29641/Minneapolis_Measles_Outbreak_Traced_to_Fraudulent_Autism_Study.html>
dr_jeff
> dr_jeff;512034 Wrote:
>> On 4/2/11 8:54 AM, albert.macintosh wrote:-
>> That is very very sad to hear that a Baby is passed due to Flu.-
>>
>> Sadly, the flu shot was most likely a coincidence and had nothing to do
>>
>> with the child's death. But it is still very sad that the child died.
>> And, that the child's death is being used against life-saving vaccines.
>>
>> Unfortunately, people remember unfounded fears, as is seen in Minnesota:
>>
>
> Hello All
>
> I have no desire to become involved with theoretical arguments, but in
> the case of Saba it is true that her reaction was caused by the flu
> vaccine. This story is from Perth Western Australia and if you would
> like varification I'm sure you can search and find stories of the "bad
> batch" of the flu vaccine that was given to babies and children here
> last year - hundreds of children displayed reactions, many of those
> hospitalised (Saba's being the most serious) within hours of recieving
> the shot.
>
> So while I have no desire to debate the positive or negative aspects of
> vaccination, in this case, it is absolutely certain that her injuries
> are a result of her vaccination.
>
> Thankyou
Absolutely certain: Not likely:
<http://vaccinenewsdaily.com/news/212883-australian-flu-vaccine-maker-denies-bad-batch-cause-for-illnesses>
Either way, I am very sad for the girl and her family. And, nothing we
do in life is totally without risk. However, the benefits of vaccines
clearly outweigh the risks.
Jeff
Stephen.joyce77
My believe is that we should have a Flu vaccination.
It is very very important.
--
Stephen.joyce77