Re: Ebay is Selling Child Erotica!
Impmon
<bizpa...@aol.com> wrote:
>This week there are several shocking photos for sale, and they are going for
>high prices. For example, a photo of a child identified as Lucas (
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170154177210 ) is
>being offered. Notice the subliminal letter H on the boy's jacket (for
>homosexual?) The boy's hands are wrapped around the bat as if it represents
>an adult male's erect penis.
You have too much time on your hands. I don't see anything erotic
about the photo in the listed auction. If you don't like the way the
boy's holding the bat, ban baseball and softball! If you don't like
the letter H, try to convience about 1,000 various schools in USA to
change their names from H-something to anything that doesn't start
with H.
What are you going to do next? Go after Magnavox because the box they
sell TV in features a young boy wearing only swim suit and being held
by an adult? What about the bare butt child shown on suntan lotions??
I think those shows erotica better than your claimed auction.
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No One
> Bizparents, a Los Angeles based advocacy group for child actors is calling
> on eBay to halt to the practice of selling questionable photos of young
> children.
> <snip>
> It is the opinion of BizParentz Foundation that it is probable that
> pedophiles like <name deleted> <snip>
While this post might be just an attempt to libel the person whose
name I deleted, if there are in fact any "questionable photos" you
should report it to the FBI.
Otherwise leave the rest of us alone. We aren't interested. BTW,
it might surprise you, but some of us have never used eBay and have
no interest in dealing with it.
Jim Alder
"Bizparentz.com" <bizpa...@aol.com> wrote in
news:13g90mh...@corp.supernews.com:
> Bizparents, a Los Angeles based advocacy group for child actors is calling
> on eBay to halt to the practice of selling questionable photos of young
> children.
>
> This week there are several shocking photos for sale, and they are going for
> high prices. For example, a photo of a child identified as Lucas (
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170154177210 ) is
> being offered. Notice the subliminal letter H on the boy's jacket (for
> homosexual?) The boy's hands are wrapped around the bat as if it represents
> an adult male's erect penis.
Wow, you are one sick puppy! You have to be pretty far gone to whack off
to a picture of a kid in a baseball uniform. But then, this pic is only
selling for 10 bucks and no one is buying it.
On the other hand, looking a little further into this, I have to wonder
why someone would bid $150 for a slightly creepy photo of "Rising Child Star
ALEXI" Item number: 170154177114 or $285 for an even creepier shot of "Rising
Child Star BERYLE." Item number: 170154177132. Both of these pics are based in
Hottie Heaven, USA, all right.
But then, we have COLE & DYLAN SPROUSE Item number: 170154177157,
who are indeed celebrities with their own website
http://www.sprousebros.com/ which says they will be appearing on Ellen
Degeneres' talk show.
I have to say some of these photos are more than a little weird. You may
have a point. I wonder if some sort of 'code' isn't in play here and the
pictures you see are NOT the pictures you get?
> The seller of this photo lives in "Hottie Heaven, USA", according to his
> seller profile published on eBay. The seller describes these photos as
> "celebrity collectibles" in the auction description, although many of the
> children, like "Lucas", are not famous or even recognizable to the general
> public. Most are young boys. Their full identities are unknown.
>
> The photos are sold in private auctions, meaning that the buyer's identity
> is protected. Other auctions conducted that allow private bidders on eBay
> are porn items and other items where the buyer doesn't want people to know
> what they purchased.
>
> BizParentz acknowledges that the photos do not fit the legal definition of
> child pornography. But according to definitions and guidelines listed on the
> BizParentz.com site, along with most other child safety groups, they are
> classified as "child erotica," designed to appeal to a pedophile
> marketplace. They sell for large amount of money because they are
> "collectibles" for a pedophilia collection (true celebrity photos, say Brad
> Pitt, sell for $7.99 every week on eBay). The price directly corresponds to
> the child's state of undress.
>
> EBay is a private business, and as such, they can make their own standards
> for what can and cannot be sold on their site. According to eBay's own site:
> "... many restrictions may involve the sale of dangerous or sensitive items
> and are not necessarily prohibited by law." EBay also states, "eBay
> prohibits the sale of items or links to items that encourage, promote,
> facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity." Thousands of
> items are banned from eBay sales simply for being offensive or for being
> pre-criminal, including breast milk, Nazi memorabilia, lock picking devices,
> teacher's edition textbooks, etc.
>
> Recent news reports of self professed pedophiles like Jack McClellan have
> brought the picture collecting habit to light. Experts in child molestation
> cases say that it is not uncommon to find collections of 10,000 photos or
> more in the seized computers of sex offenders. These photos are sometimes
> classified as legal pornography and charges are brought, but more often, the
> photos look like these -- sexual, suggestive, or even nude, but not fitting
> the legal definition of child pornography. A report by Candice Kim published
> in the National District Attorney's Association Child Sexual Exploitation
> Update states that there is a direct statistical connection between the
> possession of child erotica and the crime of child molestation, "A
> pedophile's pornography and erotica collection is the single best indicator
> of what he wants to do."
>
> It is the opinion of BizParentz Foundation that it is probable that
> pedophiles like Jack McClellan are taking their hobby one step further and
> will sell the photos on sites like eBay if policies are not changed. The
> organization is calling on Ebay to make the voluntary determination that
> these pictures will not be sold on their site.
>
> BizParentz has been discussing the issue with eBay for over a year. In 2005,
> the organization discovered that several eBay sellers were in the business
> of selling questionable photos of young actors, past and present. One of
> those sellers, at the time known as "TVteens" had a 20 year history of child
> porn charges, and is currently in prison for child molestation and
> pornography. Another seller, "Teenstars" was very active until he was
> identified as a manager/publicist of young boy actors in Los Angeles. That
> seller has since passed away of an unidentified illness, but his
> "collection" has been passed on to another eBay seller. "Ebay is aware of
> that history," according to BizParentz co-founder Anne Henry. "They did
> close the accounts of those sellers, although Ebay told us that the action
> was not related to the content of their auctions."
>
> Currently there are five or six main sellers of erotic child photos on eBay,
> according to BizParentz, which has been collecting data on auctions for two
> years. According to BizParentz co-founder Paula Dorn, "It is unconscionable
> that eBay continues to allow this practice. There is no reason they cannot
> simply change their policy to ban these photos. I have discussed the issue
> with eBay legal representatives at length and I believe they understand the
> issue. They are simply refusing to act on it. There is no reason for a
> seller to make thousands of dollars each month on the sale of photos,
> selected and marketed solely to pedophiles. There is no reason for eBay to
> facilitate this kind of child exploitation. It's baffling."
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Jim Alder
4ax.com:
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 01:06:06 -0500, "Bizparentz.com"
> <bizpa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>This week there are several shocking photos for sale, and they are going for
>>high prices. For example, a photo of a child identified as Lucas (
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170154177210 ) is
>>being offered. Notice the subliminal letter H on the boy's jacket (for
>>homosexual?) The boy's hands are wrapped around the bat as if it represents
>>an adult male's erect penis.
>
> You have too much time on your hands. I don't see anything erotic
> about the photo in the listed auction.
Neither do I, but then I don't see anything erotic about little boys. But
sadly there are some who do. I reacted the same as you to the photo cited by
the original poster and thought it was just another reactionary, but take a
look at these two pictures from the same seller.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170154177132
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170154177194
There are photos on the seller's list of actual child actors, but these
shots and a couple others make me wonder if those aren't just camoflage.
mich
"Bizparentz.com" <bizpa...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:13g90mh...@corp.supernews.com...
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Bizparents, a Los Angeles based advocacy group for child actors is calling
> on eBay to halt to the practice of selling questionable photos of young
> children.
>
> for high prices. For example, a photo of a child identified as Lucas (
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170154177210 ) is
> being offered. Notice the subliminal letter H on the boy's jacket (for
> homosexual?) The boy's hands are wrapped around the bat as if it
> represents an adult male's erect penis.
If you find a picture of a fully dressed child actor shocking you really
need some help.
Banty
He needs no help at all. He's cleverly shilling for the EBay seller.
Banty
Trace
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Bizparents, a Los Angeles based advocacy group for child actors is calling
> on eBay to halt to the practice of selling questionable photos of young
> children.
>
> This week there are several shocking photos for sale, and they are going for
> being offered. Notice the subliminal letter H on the boy's jacket (for
> homosexual?) The boy's hands are wrapped around the bat as if it represents
> an adult male's erect penis.
>
You've been watching Bill O'Reilly too much. That is a boy fully
clothed. YOU must be the pervert.
PeterD
wrote:
>Impmon <imp...@digi.mon> wrote in news:2i19g3dk8r791t3v5chghqqcaks2796j3d@
>4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 01:06:06 -0500, "Bizparentz.com"
>> <bizpa...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>This week there are several shocking photos for sale, and they are going for
>>>high prices. For example, a photo of a child identified as Lucas (
>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170154177210 ) is
>>>being offered. Notice the subliminal letter H on the boy's jacket (for
>>>homosexual?) The boy's hands are wrapped around the bat as if it represents
>>>an adult male's erect penis.
>>
>> You have too much time on your hands. I don't see anything erotic
>> about the photo in the listed auction.
>
> Neither do I, but then I don't see anything erotic about little boys. But
>sadly there are some who do. I reacted the same as you to the photo cited by
>the original poster and thought it was just another reactionary, but take a
>look at these two pictures from the same seller.
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170154177132
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170154177194
>
> There are photos on the seller's list of actual child actors, but these
>shots and a couple others make me wonder if those aren't just camoflage.
One has to realize (quickly at that) that Bizparents is actually
selling child porn, and these posts are just their way of advertising.
Lars Eighner
the lovely and talented Trace broadcast on alt.politics.homosexuality:
> You've been watching Bill O'Reilly too much. That is a boy fully
> clothed. YOU must be the pervert.
But I think we all can agree that any male who puts his hands on a bat is
expressing a desire to engage in homosexual activity --- or has been posed
that way to convey that message, as obviously happened to this innocent
young victim.
PS: The same is true of men who engage in any so-called game in which they
put their hands on a ball. Which is why soccer is about the only game
heterosexual men play. Except for the goalie.
--
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Countdown: 474 days to go.
What do you do when you're debranded?
R. Totale
<bizpa...@aol.com> wrote:
>Thousands of
>items are banned from eBay sales simply for being offensive or for being
>pre-criminal, including breast milk
Damn it, if Ma had used the bottle I wouldn't be posting from the
slammer now.
Ken
> You've been watching Bill O'Reilly too much. That is a boy fully
> clothed. YOU must be the pervert.
But he's completely nekid underneath 'em!
(Am wondering how much Bixparent was willing to pay for 'em?)
Rob
The link in this story is even more tenuous than the outing of Tinky Winky.
We have been sucked in by a Troll
Jim Alder
22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
> On Oct 4, 1:06 am, "Bizparentz.com" <bizpare...@aol.com> wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> Bizparents, a Los Angeles based advocacy group for child actors is calling
>> on eBay to halt to the practice of selling questionable photos of young
children.
>>
>> This week there are several shocking photos for sale, and they are going
for
>> high prices. For example, a photo of a child identified as Lucas
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170154177210
> You've been watching Bill O'Reilly too much. That is a boy fully
> clothed. YOU must be the pervert.
That was my first impression, too, till I looked at the seller's other
offerings.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170154177132
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170154177194
Notice the prices paid for these pictures of nobodies? I know little about
modeling and even less about kiddie porn, but that seems like a lot.
Sarah T
>on eBay to halt to the practice of selling questionable photos of young
>children.
>
That's nothing, I'm surprised that you can still buy
Will McBride - Show Me - Rare Sex Ed Book
On Ebay.
mich
"Banty" <Banty_...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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How many teenage girls in this NG?
Frank Provasek
> I have to say some of these photos are more than a little weird. You may
> have a point. I wonder if some sort of 'code' isn't in play here and the
> pictures you see are NOT the pictures you get?
>
>
>
no bids say
PHOTO and most of the ones with $150 or $200 bids say PORTFOLIO.
Doesn't that
generally mean a GROUP of photos?
I think they are correct that something is going on "under the radar"
and have
reported this to ebay.
At first I thought this was a troll post, but I looked at their
website
http://www.bizparentz.org/aboutus.html and it seems to be legit.
No One
>
> At first I thought this was a troll post, but I looked at their
> website
> http://www.bizparentz.org/aboutus.html and it seems to be legit.
Just because the web site seems "legit" to you doesn't mean that the
person who posted the statement has anything to do with that web site.
Remember that you can't trust the email addresses in usenet headers.
If they have a legitimate complaint, they should simply report it to
the FBI.
Don Lancaster
(1) It is a thankless task, but somebody has to do it.
(2) Would you rather they gave it away instead?
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Jim Alder
57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:
> On Oct 4, 4:04 am, Jim Alder <jimal...@ssnet.com> wrote:>
>> I have to say some of these photos are more than a little weird. You
may
>> have a point. I wonder if some sort of 'code' isn't in play here and the
>> pictures you see are NOT the pictures you get?
>>
>>
>>
> I looked at all the listings and it's interesting that the ones with
> no bids say
> PHOTO and most of the ones with $150 or $200 bids say PORTFOLIO.
> Doesn't that
> generally mean a GROUP of photos?
>
> I think they are correct that something is going on "under the radar"
> and have reported this to ebay.
Well, whatever you said, it seems to have had an effect. Every offering
from Celebrity, Inc is gone from Ebay.
> At first I thought this was a troll post, but I looked at their
> website
> http://www.bizparentz.org/aboutus.html and it seems to be legit.
I wonder why Ebay didn't listen when THEY complained.
Peter Belles
On Oct 4, 2:06 am, "Bizparentz.com" <bizpare...@aol.com> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Bizparents, a Los Angeles based advocacy group for child actors is calling
> on eBay to halt to the practice of selling questionable photos of young
> children.
>
> This week there are several shocking photos for sale, and they are going for
> high prices. For example, a photo of a child identified as Lucas (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170154177210 ) is
> being offered. Notice the subliminal letter H on the boy's jacket (for
> homosexual?) The boy's hands are wrapped around the bat as if it represents
> an adult male's erect penis.
>
Frank Provasek
Frank Provasek
> Only Bill (BJ) Clinton would buy this stuff !!
>
> On Oct 4, 2:06 am, "Bizparentz.com" <bizpare...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > x-no-archive: yes
>
> > Bizparents, a Los Angeles based advocacy group forchildactors is calling
> > children.
>
> > This week there are several shocking photos for sale, and they are going for
> > being offered. Notice the subliminal letter H on the boy's jacket (for
> > homosexual?) The boy's hands are wrapped around the bat as if it represents
> > an adult male's erect penis.
>
> > The seller of this photo lives in "Hottie Heaven, USA", according to his
> > "celebrity collectibles" in the auction description, although many of the
> > children, like "Lucas", are not famous or even recognizable to the general
> > public. Most are young boys. Their full identities are unknown.
>
> > The photos are sold in private auctions, meaning that the buyer's identity
> > is protected. Other auctions conducted that allow private bidders oneBay
> > are porn items and other items where the buyer doesn't want people to know
> > what they purchased.
>
> > BizParentz acknowledges that the photos do not fit the legal definition of
> > BizParentz.com site, along with most otherchildsafety groups, they are
> > classified as "childerotica," designed to appeal to a pedophile
> > marketplace. They sell for large amount of money because they are
> > "collectibles" for a pedophilia collection (true celebrity photos, say Brad
> > thechild'sstate of undress.
>
> >EBayis a private business, and as such, they can make their own standards
> > for what can and cannot be sold on their site. According toeBay'sown site:
> > "... many restrictions may involve the sale of dangerous or sensitive items
> > prohibits the sale of items or links to items that encourage, promote,
> > facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity." Thousands of
> > pre-criminal, including breast milk, Nazi memorabilia, lock picking devices,
> > teacher's edition textbooks, etc.
>
> > Recent news reports of self professed pedophiles like Jack McClellan have
> > brought the picture collecting habit to light. Experts inchildmolestation
> > cases say that it is not uncommon to find collections of 10,000 photos or
> > more in the seized computers of sex offenders. These photos are sometimes
> > classified as legal pornography and charges are brought, but more often, the
> > photos look like these -- sexual, suggestive, or even nude, but not fitting
> > in the National District Attorney's AssociationChildSexual Exploitation
> > Update states that there is a direct statistical connection between the
> > possession ofchilderoticaand the crime ofchildmolestation, "A
> > of what he wants to do."
>
> > It is the opinion of BizParentz Foundation that it is probable that
> > pedophiles like Jack McClellan are taking their hobby one step further and
> > organization is calling onEbayto make the voluntary determination that
> > these pictures will not be sold on their site.
>
> > the organization discovered that severaleBaysellers were in the business
> > of selling questionable photos of young actors, past and present. One of
> > those sellers, at the time known as "TVteens" had a 20 year history ofchild
> > pornography. Another seller, "Teenstars" was very active until he was
> > identified as a manager/publicist of young boy actors in Los Angeles. That
> > seller has since passed away of an unidentified illness, but his
> > that history," according to BizParentz co-founder Anne Henry. "They did
> > was not related to the content of their auctions."
>
> > Currently there are five or six main sellers of eroticchildphotos oneBay,
> > according to BizParentz, which has been collecting data on auctions for two
> > years. According to BizParentz co-founder Paula Dorn, "It is unconscionable
> > simply change their policy to ban these photos. I have discussed the issue
> > issue. They are simply refusing to act on it. There is no reason for a
> > seller to make thousands of dollars each month on the sale of photos,
> > selected and marketed solely to pedophiles. There is no reason foreBayto
>
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