Video - Why Vaccines Aren't Safe - Mary Tocco, Michigan
JOHN
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/2/14/why-vaccines-aren-t-safe.aspx
Jeff
> Video - Why Vaccines Aren't Safe - Mary Tocco, Michigan
> http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/2/14/why-vaccines-aren-t-safe.aspx
IMHO, Mercola is a scuzbucket.
And the page is inaccurate. For example, it states that vaccines are
immune suppressing. That is false. If you think that helping the immune
system to recognize deadly germs so that it won't allow those organisms
to reproduce is weakening the immune system, then you're an idiot.
For accurate info on vaccines, go to www.cdc.gov.
Jeff
JOHN
"Jeff" <kidsd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> JOHN wrote:
>> Video - Why Vaccines Aren't Safe - Mary Tocco, Michigan
>> http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/2/14/why-vaccines-aren-t-safe.aspx
>
> IMHO, Mercola is a scuzbucket.
"If you can't answer a man's argument, all is not lost; you can still call
him vile names." --Elbert Hubbard
> And the page is inaccurate. For example, it states that vaccines are
> immune suppressing. That is false.
http://whale.to/vaccines/autoimmune1.htm
Mercury is hardly an immune booster:
"You couldn't even construct a study that shows thimerosal is safe. It's
just too darn toxic. If you inject thimerosal into an animal, its brain will
sicken. If you apply it to living tissue, the cells die. If you put it in a
petri dish, the culture dies. Knowing these things, it would be shocking if
one could inject it into an infant without causing damage." ----Dr. Boyd
Haley, Professor and Chair, Dept. of Chemistry, University of Kentucky and
one of the world's leading authorities on mercury toxicity.
http://whale.to/vaccines/thimerosal.htm
cheers!
D. C. Sessions
>> And the page is inaccurate. For example, it states that vaccines are
>> immune suppressing. That is false.
>
>
> http://whale.to/vaccines/autoimmune1.htm
>
> Mercury is hardly an immune booster:
Which has -- what? -- to do with vaccines, since they don't have
any mercury in them?
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Jeff
> "Jeff" <kidsd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> JOHN wrote:
>>> Video - Why Vaccines Aren't Safe - Mary Tocco, Michigan
>>> http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/2/14/why-vaccines-aren-t-safe.aspx
>> IMHO, Mercola is a scuzbucket.
>
> "If you can't answer a man's argument, all is not lost; you can still call
> him vile names." --Elbert Hubbard
Yet, I did answer's the man's argument.
>> And the page is inaccurate. F or example, it states that vaccines are
>> immune suppressing. That is false.
I noticed that you deleted part of my argument without indicating that
fact. That is intellectually dishonest.
> http://whale.to/vaccines/autoimmune1.htm
>
> Mercury is hardly an immune booster:
>
> "You couldn't even construct a study that shows thimerosal is safe. It's
> just too darn toxic. If you inject thimerosal into an animal, its brain will
> sicken. If you apply it to living tissue, the cells die. If you put it in a
> petri dish, the culture dies. Knowing these things, it would be shocking if
> one could inject it into an infant without causing damage." ----Dr. Boyd
> Haley, Professor and Chair, Dept. of Chemistry, University of Kentucky and
> one of the world's leading authorities on mercury toxicity.
> http://whale.to/vaccines/thimerosal.htm
>
> cheers!
Childhood vaccines no longer have thimerasol in them.
Jeff
JOHN
"D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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> In message <oaednd2WVYpn9yra...@bt.com>, JOHN wrote:
>
>>> And the page is inaccurate. For example, it states that vaccines are
>>> immune suppressing. That is false.
>>
>>
>> http://whale.to/vaccines/autoimmune1.htm
>>
>> Mercury is hardly an immune booster:
>
> Which has -- what? -- to do with vaccines, since they don't have
> any mercury in them?
>
> --
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> >
> > Mercury is hardly an immune booster:
>
> Which has -- what? -- to do with vaccines, since they don't have any
> mercury in them?
They did for the last 50 years or so, still do for the third world, and
still in flu vaccines, some tetanus etc
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm
and there may still eb trace amounts which they don't have to declare
And then we have all the other poisons Jeff calls 'immune boosters' like
aluminium etc
try and get the facts first
JOHN
>
> Childhood vaccines no longer have thimerasol in them.
>
> Jeff
Some still do http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm
and all the third world vaccines
"Pichichero has served as consultant to the World Health Organization, and
his research has held considerable weight in the WHO decision to continue
using thimerosal in vaccines administered in nations outside the United
States."--- [Jan 2008] Babies excrete vaccine-mercury quicker than
originally thought
D. C. Sessions
> "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:ic7k85-...@news.lumbercartel.com...
>> In message <oaednd2WVYpn9yra...@bt.com>, JOHN wrote:
>>>> And the page is inaccurate. For example, it states that vaccines are
>>>> immune suppressing. That is false.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://whale.to/vaccines/autoimmune1.htm
>>>
>>> Mercury is hardly an immune booster:
>>
>> Which has -- what? -- to do with vaccines, since they don't have
>> any mercury in them?
> They did for the last 50 years or so, still do for the third world, and
> still in flu vaccines, some tetanus etc
> http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm
Present tense, John -- I understand you have problems with the
concept, but for that remedial English is the answer and you're
on your own there.
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Jeff
Thimerasol has been removed from all vaccines in the US for kids 6 and
under, except Influenza. http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm
As far as third world countries is concerned, the preservative is
needed, because refrigeration is not as readily available.
Jeff
Jeff
And yet, you have never demonstrated that vaccines are dangerous. The
only reason why the influenza outbreak in San Diego isn't bigger is that
most of the population is vaccinated.
http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_8281325
Vaccines are one of the greatest public health measures ever. Only clean
drinking water, sanitation and healthy food have saved more lives than
vaccines. Vaccines have eliminated polio from the western hemisphere and
eliminated smallpox everywhere. In addition, in the US, measles, mumps,
rubella, tetanus, diptheria, purtussis, HIB menigits, and other diseases
have been greatly reduced.
Kevysmom
it, Babies get two of these.
On Feb 17, 1:37 pm, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
> "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in messagenews:ic7k85-...@news.lumbercartel.com...
>
> > In message <oaednd2WVYpn9yranZ2dnUVZ8hedn...@bt.com>, JOHN wrote:
>
> >>> And the page is inaccurate. For example, it states that vaccines are
> >>> immune suppressing. That is false.
>
> >>http://whale.to/vaccines/autoimmune1.htm
>
> >> Mercury is hardly an immune booster:
>
> > Which has -- what? -- to do with vaccines, since they don't have
> > any mercury in them?
>
> > --
>
> "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> <news:ic7k85-...@news.lumbercartel.com>...
>
>
>
> > > Mercury is hardly an immune booster:
>
> > Which has -- what? -- to do with vaccines, since they don't have any
> > mercury in them?
>
> They did for the last 50 years or so, still do for the third world, and
> still in flu vaccines, some tetanus etchttp://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm
drce...@insightbb.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
If you look at the recent video on vaccines, you will find this data:
1950 mercury exposure was 50 mcg.
1970 mercury exposure was 75 mcg.
1992 mercury exposure was 187.5 mcg
2003 mercury exposure was 212.5 mcg.
Obviously the mercury has not been taken out of vaccines. In many it
has been reduced. However, more exposure has come from the rho-gam
shots, and the flu shots, and just the sheer quantity of infant
vaccines given.
More medical lies and deceit by the blood poisoners.
DrCee
Not a member of the medical monopoly.
Myrl
> JOHN wrote:
> > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:%5_tj.5786$N95.5345@trnddc03...
>
> >> Childhood vaccines no longer have thimerasol in them.
>
> >> Jeff
>
>
> > and all the third world vaccines
>
> > "Pichichero has served as consultant to the World Health Organization, and
> > his research has held considerable weight in the WHO decision to continue
> > using thimerosal in vaccines administered in nations outside the United
> > States."--- [Jan 2008] Babies excrete vaccine-mercury quicker than
> > originally thought
>
> Thimerasol has been removed from all vaccines in the US for kids 6 and
>
> As far as third world countries is concerned, the preservative is
> needed, because refrigeration is not as readily available.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
What is also interesting, if it is true about thimerosal being present
in third world vaccines, is their rates of autism are actually lower
than here in the United States.
D. C. Sessions
> What is also interesting, if it is true about thimerosal being present
> in third world vaccines, is their rates of autism are actually lower
> than here in the United States.
So there *is* a connection -- mercury prevents autism!
Bee
>
> For accurate info on vaccines, go towww.cdc.gov.
>
> Jeff
Now, why would anyone that doesn't trust our government, and the
health care professionals that are "part of the problem, not the
solution,"
want to go to a government website? <gr>
Jeff
Because it is an accurate site.
Mark Probert
Agreed. First they should go to www.mymentalhealth.com and get help
overcoming their unfounded paranoia.
Mark Probert
Accuracy only confuses paranoids.
rw...@ca.rr.com
read a few paragraphs to see what our top government vaccine policy
decision makers really think.
Deadly Immunity
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. investigates the government cover-up of a
mercury/autism scandal
By ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.
In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health
officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood
conference center in Norcross, Georgia. Convened by the Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention, the meeting was held at this Methodist
retreat center, nestled in wooded farmland next to the Chattahoochee
River, to ensure complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public
announcement of the session -- only private invitations to fifty-two
attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food
and Drug Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World
Health Organization in Geneva and representatives of every major
vaccine manufacturer, including GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and
Aventis Pasteur. All of the scientific data under discussion, CDC
officials repeatedly reminded the participants, was strictly
"embargoed." There would be no making photocopies of documents, no
taking papers with them when they left.
The federal officials and industry representatives had assembled to
discuss a disturbing new study that raised alarming questions about
the safety of a host of common childhood vaccines administered to
infants and young children. According to a CDC epidemiologist named
Tom Verstraeten, who had analyzed the agency's massive database
containing the medical records of 100,000 children, a mercury-based
preservative in the vaccines -- thimerosal -- appeared to be
responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other
neurological disorders among children. "I was actually stunned by what
I saw," Verstraeten told those assembled at Simpsonwood, citing the
staggering number of earlier studies that indicate a link between
thimerosal and speech delays, attention-deficit disorder,
hyperactivity and autism. Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had
recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative
be given to extremely young infants -- in one case, within hours of
birth -- the estimated number of cases of autism had increased
fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children.
Even for scientists and doctors accustomed to confronting issues of
life and death, the findings were frightening. "You can play with this
all you want," Dr. Bill Weil, a consultant for the American Academy of
Pediatrics, told the group. The results "are statistically
significant." Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and pediatrician
from the University of Colorado whose grandson had been born early on
the morning of the meeting's first day, was even more alarmed. "My gut
feeling?" he said. "Forgive this personal comment -- I do not want my
grandson to get a thimerosal-containing vaccine until we know better
what is going on."
But instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the
vaccine supply of thimerosal, the officials and executives at
Simpsonwood spent most of the next two days discussing how to cover up
the damaging data. According to transcripts obtained under the Freedom
of Information Act, many at the meeting were concerned about how the
damaging revelations about thimerosal would affect the vaccine
industry's bottom line. "We are in a bad position from the standpoint
of defending any lawsuits," said Dr. Robert Brent, a pediatrician at
the Alfred I. duPont Hospital for Children in Delaware. "This will be
a resource to our very busy plaintiff attorneys in this country." Dr.
Bob Chen, head of vaccine safety for the CDC, expressed relief that
"given the sensitivity of the information, we have been able to keep
it out of the hands of, let's say, less responsible hands." Dr. John
Clements, vaccines adviser at the World Health Organization, declared
flatly that the study "should not have been done at all" and warned
that the results "will be taken by others and will be used in ways
beyond the control of this group. The research results have to be
handled."
In fact, the government has proved to be far more adept at handling
the damage than at protecting children's health. The CDC paid the
Institute of Medicine to conduct a new study to whitewash the risks of
thimerosal, ordering researchers to "rule out" the chemical's link to
autism. It withheld Verstraeten's findings, even though they had been
slated for immediate publication, and told other scientists that his
original data had been "lost" and could not be replicated. And to
thwart the Freedom of Information Act, it handed its giant database of
vaccine records over to a private company, declaring it off-limits to
researchers. By the time Verstraeten finally published his study in
2003, he had gone to work for GlaxoSmithKline and reworked his data to
bury the link between thimerosal and autism.
Vaccine manufacturers had already begun to phase thimerosal out of
injections given to American infants -- but they continued to sell off
their mercury-based supplies of vaccines until last year. The CDC and
FDA gave them a hand, buying up the tainted vaccines for export to
developing countries and allowing drug companies to continue using the
preservative in some American vaccines -- including several pediatric
flu shots as well as tetanus boosters routinely given to
eleven-year-olds.
The drug companies are also getting help from powerful lawmakers in
Washington. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who has received
$873,000 in contributions from the pharmaceutical industry, has been
working to immunize vaccine makers from liability in 4,200 lawsuits
that have been filed by the parents of injured children. On five
separate occasions, Frist has tried to seal all of the government's
vaccine-related documents -- including the Simpsonwood transcripts --
and shield Eli Lilly, the developer of thimerosal, from subpoenas. In
2002, the day after Frist quietly slipped a rider known as the "Eli
Lilly Protection Act" into a homeland security bill, the company
contributed $10,000 to his campaign and bought 5,000 copies of his
book on bioterrorism. The measure was repealed by Congress in 2003 --
but earlier this year, Frist slipped another provision into an
anti-terrorism bill that would deny compensation to children suffering
from vaccine-related brain disorders. "The lawsuits are of such
magnitude that they could put vaccine producers out of business and
limit our capacity to deal with a biological attack by terrorists,"
says Andy Olsen, a legislative assistant to Frist.
Even many conservatives are shocked by the government's effort to
cover up the dangers of thimerosal. Rep. Dan Burton, a Republican from
Indiana, oversaw a three-year investigation of thimerosal after his
grandson was diagnosed with autism. "Thimerosal used as a preservative
in vaccines is directly related to the autism epidemic," his House
Government Reform Committee concluded in its final report. "This
epidemic in all probability may have been prevented or curtailed had
the FDA not been asleep at the switch regarding a lack of safety data
regarding injected thimerosal, a known neurotoxin." The FDA and other
public-health agencies failed to act, the committee added, out of
"institutional malfeasance for self protection" and "misplaced
protectionism of the pharmaceutical industry."
The story of how government health agencies colluded with Big Pharma
to hide the risks of thimerosal from the public is a chilling case
study of institutional arrogance, power and greed. I was drawn into
the controversy only reluctantly. As an attorney and environmentalist
who has spent years working on issues of mercury toxicity, I
frequently met mothers of autistic children who were absolutely
convinced that their kids had been injured by vaccines. Privately, I
was skeptical.
I doubted that autism could be blamed on a single source, and I
certainly understood the government's need to reassure parents that
vaccinations are safe; the eradication of deadly childhood diseases
depends on it. I tended to agree with skeptics like Rep. Henry Waxman,
a Democrat from California, who criticized his colleagues on the House
Government Reform Committee for leaping to conclusions about autism
and vaccinations. "Why should we scare people about immunization,"
Waxman pointed out at one hearing, "until we know the facts?"
It was only after reading the Simpsonwood transcripts, studying the
leading scientific research and talking with many of the nation's
pre-eminent authorities on mercury that I became convinced that the
link between thimerosal and the epidemic of childhood neurological
disorders is real. Five of my own children are members of the
Thimerosal Generation -- those born between 1989 and 2003 -- who
received heavy doses of mercury from vaccines. "The elementary grades
are overwhelmed with children who have symptoms of neurological or
immune-system damage," Patti White, a school nurse, told the House
Government Reform Committee in 1999. "Vaccines are supposed to be
making us healthier; however, in twenty-five years of nursing I have
never seen so many damaged, sick kids. Something very, very wrong is
happening to our children."
More than 500,000 kids currently suffer from autism, and pediatricians
diagnose more than 40,000 new cases every year. The disease was
unknown until 1943, when it was identified and diagnosed among eleven
children born in the months after thimerosal was first added to baby
vaccines in 1931.
Some skeptics dispute that the rise in autism is caused by
thimerosal-tainted vaccinations. They argue that the increase is a
result of better diagnosis -- a theory that seems questionable at
best, given that most of the new cases of autism are clustered within
a single generation of children. "If the epidemic is truly an artifact
of poor diagnosis," scoffs Dr. Boyd Haley, one of the world's
authorities on mercury toxicity, "then where are all the
twenty-year-old autistics?" Other researchers point out that Americans
are exposed to a greater cumulative "load" of mercury than ever
before, from contaminated fish to dental fillings, and suggest that
thimerosal in vaccines may be only part of a much larger problem. It's
a concern that certainly deserves far more attention than it has
received -- but it overlooks the fact that the mercury concentrations
in vaccines dwarf other sources of exposure to our children.
What is most striking is the lengths to which many of the leading
detectives have gone to ignore -- and cover up -- the evidence against
thimerosal. From the very beginning, the scientific case against the
mercury additive has been overwhelming. The preservative, which is
used to stem fungi and bacterial growth in vaccines, contains
ethylmercury, a potent neurotoxin. Truckloads of studies have shown
that mercury tends to accumulate in the brains of primates and other
animals after they are injected with vaccines -- and that the
developing brains of infants are particularly susceptible. In 1977, a
Russian study found that adults exposed to much lower concentrations
of ethylmercury than those given to American children still suffered
brain damage years later. Russia banned thimerosal from children's
vaccines twenty years ago, and Denmark, Austria, Japan, Great Britain
and all the Scandinavian countries have since followed suit.
"You couldn't even construct a study that shows thimerosal is safe,"
says Haley, who heads the chemistry department at the University of
Kentucky. "It's just too darn toxic. If you inject thimerosal into an
animal, its brain will sicken. If you apply it to living tissue, the
cells die. If you put it in a petri dish, the culture dies. Knowing
these things, it would be shocking if one could inject it into an
infant without causing damage."
Internal documents reveal that Eli Lilly, which first developed
thimerosal, knew from the start that its product could cause damage --
and even death -- in both animals and humans. In 1930, the company
tested thimerosal by administering it to twenty-two patients with
terminal meningitis, all of whom died within weeks of being injected
-- a fact Lilly didn't bother to report in its study declaring
thimerosal safe. In 1935, researchers at another vaccine manufacturer,
Pittman-Moore, warned Lilly that its claims about thimerosal's safety
"did not check with ours." Half the dogs Pittman injected with
thimerosal-based vaccines became sick, leading researchers there to
declare the preservative "unsatisfactory as a serum intended for use
on dogs."
In the decades that followed, the evidence against thimerosal
continued to mount. During the Second World War, when the Department
of Defense used the preservative in vaccines on soldiers, it required
Lilly to label it "poison." In 1967, a study in Applied Microbiology
found that thimerosal killed mice when added to injected vaccines.
Four years later, Lilly's own studies discerned that thimerosal was
"toxic to tissue cells" in concentrations as low as one part per
million -- 100 times weaker than the concentration in a typical
vaccine. Even so, the company continued to promote thimerosal as
"nontoxic" and also incorporated it into topical disinfectants. In
1977, ten babies at a Toronto hospital died when an antiseptic
preserved with thimerosal was dabbed onto their umbilical cords.
In 1982, the FDA proposed a ban on over-the-counter products that
contained thimerosal, and in 1991 the agency considered banning it
from animal vaccines. But tragically, that same year, the CDC
recommended that infants be injected with a series of mercury-laced
vaccines. Newborns would be vaccinated for hepatitis B within
twenty-four hours of birth, and two-month-old infants would be
immunized for haemophilus influenzae B and
diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis.
The drug industry knew the additional vaccines posed a danger. The
same year that the CDC approved the new vaccines, Dr. Maurice
Hilleman, one of the fathers of Merck's vaccine programs, warned the
company that six-month-olds who were administered the shots would
suffer dangerous exposure to mercury. He recommended that thimerosal
be discontinued, "especially when used on infants and children,"
noting that the industry knew of nontoxic alternatives. "The best way
to go," he added, "is to switch to dispensing the actual vaccines
without adding preservatives."
For Merck and other drug companies, however, the obstacle was money.
Thimerosal enables the pharmaceutical industry to package vaccines in
vials that contain multiple doses, which require additional protection
because they are more easily contaminated by multiple needle entries.
The larger vials cost half as much to produce as smaller, single-dose
vials, making it cheaper for international agencies to distribute them
to impoverished regions at risk of epidemics. Faced with this "cost
consideration," Merck ignored Hilleman's warnings, and government
officials continued to push more and more thimerosal-based vaccines
for children. Before 1989, American preschoolers received only three
vaccinations -- for polio, diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis and
measles-mumps-rubella. A decade later, thanks to federal
recommendations, children were receiving a total of twenty-two
immunizations by the time they reached first grade.
As the number of vaccines increased, the rate of autism among children
exploded. During the 1990s, 40 million children were injected with
thimerosal-based vaccines, receiving unprecedented levels of mercury
during a period critical for brain development. Despite the
well-documented dangers of thimerosal, it appears that no one bothered
to add up the cumulative dose of mercury that children would receive
from the mandated vaccines. "What took the FDA so long to do the
calculations?" Peter Patriarca, director of viral products for the
agency, asked in an e-mail to the CDC in 1999. "Why didn't CDC and the
advisory bodies do these calculations when they rapidly expanded the
childhood immunization schedule?"
But by that time, the damage was done. Infants who received all their
vaccines, plus boosters, by the age of six months were being injected
with levels of ethylmercury 187 times greater than the EPA's limit for
daily exposure to methylmercury, a related neurotoxin. Although the
vaccine industry insists that ethylmercury poses little danger because
it breaks down rapidly and is removed by the body, several studies --
including one published in April by the National Institutes of Health
-- suggest that ethylmercury is actually more toxic to developing
brains and stays in the brain longer than methylmercury.
Officials responsible for childhood immunizations insist that the
additional vaccines were necessary to protect infants from disease and
that thimerosal is still essential in developing nations, which, they
often claim, cannot afford the single-dose vials that don't require a
preservative. Dr. Paul Offit, one of CDC's top vaccine advisers, told
me, "I think if we really have an influenza pandemic -- and certainly
we will in the next twenty years, because we always do -- there's no
way on God's earth that we immunize 280 million people with
single-dose vials. There has to be multidose vials."
But while public-health officials may have been well-intentioned, many
of those on the CDC advisory committee who backed the additional
vaccines had close ties to the industry. Dr. Sam Katz, the committee's
chair, was a paid consultant for most of the major vaccine makers and
shares a patent on a measles vaccine with Merck, which also
manufactures the hepatitis B vaccine. Dr. Neal Halsey, another
committee member, worked as a researcher for the vaccine companies and
received honoraria from Abbott Labs for his research on the hepatitis
B vaccine.
Indeed, in the tight circle of scientists who work on vaccines, such
conflicts of interest are common. Rep. Burton says that the CDC
"routinely allows scientists with blatant conflicts of interest to
serve on intellectual advisory committees that make recommendations on
new vaccines," even though they have "interests in the products and
companies for which they are supposed to be providing unbiased
oversight." The House Government Reform Committee discovered that four
of the eight CDC advisers who approved guidelines for a rotavirus
vaccine laced with thimerosal "had financial ties to the
pharmaceutical companies that were developing different versions of
the vaccine."
Offit, who shares a patent on the vaccine, acknowledged to me that he
"would make money" if his vote to approve it eventually leads to a
marketable product. But he dismissed my suggestion that a scientist's
direct financial stake in CDC approval might bias his judgment. "It
provides no conflict for me," he insists. "I have simply been informed
by the process, not corrupted by it. When I sat around that table, my
sole intent was trying to make recommendations that best benefited the
children in this country. It's offensive to say that physicians and
public-health people are in the pocket of industry and thus are making
decisions that they know are unsafe for children. It's just not the
way it works."
Other vaccine scientists and regulators gave me similar assurances.
Like Offit, they view themselves as enlightened guardians of
children's health, proud of their "partnerships" with pharmaceutical
companies, immune to the seductions of personal profit, besieged by
irrational activists whose anti-vaccine campaigns are endangering
children's health. They are often resentful of questioning. "Science,"
says Offit, "is best left to scientists."
Still, some government officials were alarmed by the apparent
conflicts of interest. In his e-mail to CDC administrators in 1999,
Paul Patriarca of the FDA blasted federal regulators for failing to
adequately scrutinize the danger posed by the added baby vaccines.
"I'm not sure there will be an easy way out of the potential
perception that the FDA, CDC and immunization-policy bodies may have
been asleep at the switch re: thimerosal until now," Patriarca wrote.
The close ties between regulatory officials and the pharmaceutical
industry, he added, "will also raise questions about various advisory
bodies regarding aggressive recommendations for use" of thimerosal in
child vaccines.
If federal regulators and government scientists failed to grasp the
potential risks of thimerosal over the years, no one could claim
ignorance after the secret meeting at Simpsonwood. But rather than
conduct more studies to test the link to autism and other forms of
brain damage, the CDC placed politics over science. The agency turned
its database on childhood vaccines -- which had been developed largely
at taxpayer expense -- over to a private agency, America's Health
Insurance Plans, ensuring that it could not be used for additional
research. It also instructed the Institute of Medicine, an advisory
organization that is part of the National Academy of Sciences, to
produce a study debunking the link between thimerosal and brain
disorders. The CDC "wants us to declare, well, that these things are
pretty safe," Dr. Marie McCormick, who chaired the IOM's Immunization
Safety Review Committee, told her fellow researchers when they first
met in January 2001. "We are not ever going to come down that [autism]
is a true side effect" of thimerosal exposure. According to
transcripts of the meeting, the committee's chief staffer, Kathleen
Stratton, predicted that the IOM would conclude that the evidence was
"inadequate to accept or reject a causal relation" between thimerosal
and autism. That, she added, was the result "Walt wants" -- a
reference to Dr. Walter Orenstein, director of the National
Immunization Program for the CDC.
For those who had devoted their lives to promoting vaccination, the
revelations about thimerosal threatened to undermine everything they
had worked for. "We've got a dragon by the tail here," said Dr.
Michael Kaback, another committee member. "The more negative that
[our] presentation is, the less likely people are to use vaccination,
immunization -- and we know what the results of that will be. We are
kind of caught in a trap. How we work our way out of the trap, I think
is the charge."
Even in public, federal officials made it clear that their primary
goal in studying thimerosal was to dispel doubts about vaccines. "Four
current studies are taking place to rule out the proposed link between
autism and thimerosal," Dr. Gordon Douglas, then-director of strategic
planning for vaccine research at the National Institutes of Health,
assured a Princeton University gathering in May 2001. "In order to
undo the harmful effects of research claiming to link the [measles]
vaccine to an elevated risk of autism, we need to conduct and
publicize additional studies to assure parents of safety." Douglas
formerly served as president of vaccinations for Merck, where he
ignored warnings about thimerosal's risks.
In May of last year, the Institute of Medicine issued its final
report. Its conclusion: There is no proven link between autism and
thimerosal in vaccines. Rather than reviewing the large body of
literature describing the toxicity of thimerosal, the report relied on
four disastrously flawed epidemiological studies examining European
countries, where children received much smaller doses of thimerosal
than American kids. It also cited a new version of the Verstraeten
study, published in the journal Pediatrics, that had been reworked to
reduce the link between thimerosal and autism. The new study included
children too young to have been diagnosed with autism and overlooked
others who showed signs of the disease. The IOM declared the case
closed and -- in a startling position for a scientific body --
recommended that no further research be conducted.
The report may have satisfied the CDC, but it convinced no one. Rep.
David Weldon, a Republican physician from Florida who serves on the
House Government Reform Committee, attacked the Institute of Medicine,
saying it relied on a handful of studies that were "fatally flawed" by
"poor design" and failed to represent "all the available scientific
and medical research." CDC officials are not interested in an honest
search for the truth, Weldon told me, because "an association between
vaccines and autism would force them to admit that their policies
irreparably damaged thousands of children. Who would want to make that
conclusion about themselves?"
Under pressure from congress, parents and a few of its own panel
members, the Institute of Medicine reluctantly convened a second panel
to review the findings of the first. In February, the new panel,
composed of different scientists, criticized the earlier panel for its
lack of transparency and urged the CDC to make its vaccine database
available to the public.
So far, though, only two scientists have managed to gain access. Dr.
Mark Geier, president of the Genetics Center of America, and his son,
David, spent a year battling to obtain the medical records from the
CDC. Since August 2002, when members of Congress pressured the agency
to turn over the data, the Geiers have completed six studies that
demonstrate a powerful correlation between thimerosal and neurological
damage in children. One study, which compares the cumulative dose of
mercury received by children born between 1981 and 1985 with those
born between 1990 and 1996, found a "very significant relationship"
between autism and vaccines. Another study of educational performance
found that kids who received higher doses of thimerosal in vaccines
were nearly three times as likely to be diagnosed with autism and more
than three times as likely to suffer from speech disorders and mental
retardation. Another soon-to-be published study shows that autism
rates are in decline following the recent elimination of thimerosal
from most vaccines.
As the federal government worked to prevent scientists from studying
vaccines, others have stepped in to study the link to autism. In
April, reporter Dan Olmsted of UPI undertook one of the more
interesting studies himself. Searching for children who had not been
exposed to mercury in vaccines -- the kind of population that
scientists typically use as a "control" in experiments -- Olmsted
scoured the Amish of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, who refuse to
immunize their infants. Given the national rate of autism, Olmsted
calculated that there should be 130 autistics among the Amish. He
found only four. One had been exposed to high levels of mercury from a
power plant. The other three -- including one child adopted from
outside the Amish community -- had received their vaccines.
At the state level, many officials have also conducted in-depth
reviews of thimerosal. While the Institute of Medicine was busy
whitewashing the risks, the Iowa legislature was carefully combing
through all of the available scientific and biological data. "After
three years of review, I became convinced there was sufficient
credible research to show a link between mercury and the increased
incidences in autism," says state Sen. Ken Veenstra, a Republican who
oversaw the investigation. "The fact that Iowa's 700 percent increase
in autism began in the 1990s, right after more and more vaccines were
added to the children's vaccine schedules, is solid evidence alone."
Last year, Iowa became the first state to ban mercury in vaccines,
followed by California. Similar bans are now under consideration in
thirty-two other states.
But instead of following suit, the FDA continues to allow
manufacturers to include thimerosal in scores of over-the-counter
medications as well as steroids and injected collagen. Even more
alarming, the government continues to ship vaccines preserved with
thimerosal to developing countries -- some of which are now
experiencing a sudden explosion in autism rates. In China, where the
disease was virtually unknown prior to the introduction of thimerosal
by U.S. drug manufacturers in 1999, news reports indicate that there
are now more than 1.8 million autistics. Although reliable numbers are
hard to come by, autistic disorders also appear to be soaring in
India, Argentina, Nicaragua and other developing countries that are
now using thimerosal-laced vaccines. The World Health Organization
continues to insist thimerosal is safe, but it promises to keep the
possibility that it is linked to neurological disorders "under
review."
I devoted time to study this issue because I believe that this is a
moral crisis that must be addressed. If, as the evidence suggests, our
public-health authorities knowingly allowed the pharmaceutical
industry to poison an entire generation of American children, their
actions arguably constitute one of the biggest scandals in the annals
of American medicine. "The CDC is guilty of incompetence and gross
negligence," says Mark Blaxill, vice president of Safe Minds, a
nonprofit organization concerned about the role of mercury in
medicines. "The damage caused by vaccine exposure is massive. It's
bigger than asbestos, bigger than tobacco, bigger than anything you've
ever seen."
It's hard to calculate the damage to our country -- and to the
international efforts to eradicate epidemic diseases -- if Third World
nations come to believe that America's most heralded foreign-aid
initiative is poisoning their children. It's not difficult to predict
how this scenario will be interpreted by America's enemies abroad. The
scientists and researchers -- many of them sincere, even idealistic --
who are participating in efforts to hide the science on thimerosal
claim that they are trying to advance the lofty goal of protecting
children in developing nations from disease pandemics. They are badly
misguided. Their failure to come clean on thimerosal will come back
horribly to haunt our country and the world's poorest populations.
Jan Drew
Real one on HealthFraud list: Jeffrey Peter Joseph Utz, M.D.
jeff...@juno.com
[2007] "Robert Watson" kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com
Jeff Utz jtest-u...@juno.com
Jeff Utz, M.D. jeff...@juno.com
Jeffrey P. Utz, M.D. jeff...@softhome.net Hence "Putz"
http://www.msu.edu/~utz/ u...@pilot.msu.edu
Jeffrey Peter, M.D. kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com
Wyle E. Coyote wyle_e_coyot...@hotmail.com
Jeff Utz kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com (Jan 2003)
Jeff jef...@pacbell.net
Jeff j...@hotmail.com (2007-2008)
Believe the CDC aand the Government....
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/VaccineResearcher.html
Vaccine Dangers and Vested Interests
A retired vaccine researcher goes public on what the pharmaceutical industry
and the health authorities don't want us to know: that vaccines are unsafe,
untested and one of the greatest frauds of our time.
Jan Drew
"JOHN" <jo...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:oaednd2WVYpn9yra...@bt.com...
>
> "Jeff" <kidsd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ZYItj.2287$N95.609@trnddc03...
>> JOHN wrote:
>>> Video - Why Vaccines Aren't Safe - Mary Tocco, Michigan
>>> http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/2/14/why-vaccines-aren-t-safe.aspx
>>
>> IMHO, Mercola is a scuzbucket.
>
> "If you can't answer a man's argument, all is not lost; you can still call
> him vile names." --Elbert Hubbard
>
Jan Drew
> JOHN wrote:
>> "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>> news:ic7k85-...@news.lumbercartel.com...
>>> In message <oaednd2WVYpn9yra...@bt.com>, JOHN wrote:
>>>
>>>>> And the page is inaccurate. For example, it states that vaccines are
>>>>> immune suppressing. That is false.
>>>>
>>>> http://whale.to/vaccines/autoimmune1.htm
>>>>
>>>> Mercury is hardly an immune booster:
>>> Which has -- what? -- to do with vaccines, since they don't have
>>> any mercury in them?
>>>
>>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>> news:<ic7k85-...@news.lumbercartel.com>...
>>
>>
>>>> Mercury is hardly an immune booster:
>>
>>
>>> Which has -- what? -- to do with vaccines, since they don't have any
>>
>>> mercury in them?
>>
>> They did for the last 50 years or so, still do for the third world, and
>> still in flu vaccines, some tetanus etc
>> http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm
>>
>> and there may still eb trace amounts which they don't have to declare
>>
>> And then we have all the other poisons Jeff calls 'immune boosters' like
>> aluminium etc
>>
>> try and get the facts first
>
> And yet, you have never demonstrated that vaccines are dangerous.
Well, now...another blatant lie!
http://whale.to/vaccines/autoimmune1.htm
Where is your website, Putz??
The
> only reason why the influenza outbreak in San Diego isn't bigger is that
> most of the population is vaccinated.
>
> http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_8281325
>
> Vaccines are one of the greatest public health measures ever. Only clean
> drinking water, sanitation and healthy food have saved more lives than
> vaccines. Vaccines have eliminated polio from the western hemisphere and
> eliminated smallpox everywhere. In addition, in the US, measles, mumps,
> rubella, tetanus, diptheria, purtussis, HIB menigits, and other diseases
> have been greatly reduced.
>
> For accurate info on vaccines, go to www.cdc.gov.
>
> Jeff
Accurate??
LOL!!!
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/02/17/cdc_knew_mercury_in_vaccines_induces_autism.htm
Jan Drew
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/02/17/cdc_knew_mercury_in_vaccines_induces_autism.htm
Jan Drew
"Mark Probert" <mark.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:08609eda-032b-4b84...@n75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Accuracy only confuses paranoids.
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/02/17/cdc_knew_mercury_in_vaccines_induces_autism.htm
Jeff
>
> "Jeff" <kidsd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ZYItj.2287$N95.609@trnddc03...
>> JOHN wrote:
>>> Video - Why Vaccines Aren't Safe - Mary Tocco, Michigan
>>> http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/2/14/why-vaccines-aren-t-safe.aspx
>>>
>>
>> IMHO, Mercola is a scuzbucket.
>>
>> And the page is inaccurate. For example, it states that vaccines are
>> immune suppressing. That is false. If you think that helping the
>> immune system to recognize deadly germs so that it won't allow those
>> organisms to reproduce is weakening the immune system, then you're an
>> idiot.
>>
>> For accurate info on vaccines, go to www.cdc.gov.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
> Poor, Putz.
Nice name calling. In the future, it would be appreciated if you would
discuss the issue at hand rather than make personal, kindergarten-type
attacks.
Have a lovely day.
Jeff
Jeff
The problem with this conjecture is that the form of mercury that was in
childhood vaccines does not cause autism. If it did, the incidence of
autism would be going down since the compound was removed from vaccines.
It isn't.
Jeff
Beth Kevles
The New York Times has run several pieces in the past year on vaccines
and autism, the most recent on 2/17/08
(http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/opinion/17pubed.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=vaccine+autism&st=nyt&oref=slogin).
The thrust of the pieces is that vaccines, including thimeserol-
containing vaccines, do not cause autism. (You can read the details,
and why the NYT came to that conclusion, yourselves.)
--Beth Kevles
bethk...@gmail.PUT-THE-COM-HERE
http://web.mit.edu/kevles/www/nomilk.html -- a page for the milk-allergic
Disclaimer: Nothing in this message should be construed as medical
advice. Please consult with your own medical practicioner.
NOTE: No email is read at my MIT address. Use the GMAIL one if you would
like me to reply.
Mark Probert
> uncovered via FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT reported by ROBERT F KENNEDY JR
>
> read a few paragraphs to see what our top government vaccine policy
> decision makers really think.
>
> Deadly Immunity
> Robert F. Kennedy Jr. investigates the government cover-up of a
> mercury/autism scandal
>
> By ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.
>
> In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health
> officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood
> conference center in Norcross, Georgia.
Drivel deleted.
For a truly thorough, insightful, and factual analysis of the
Simpsonwood conference, and the phoney wacko conspiracies that the
anti-vac liar sociopaths spew:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/06/a_myth_memorialized_aka_simpsonwood_reme_1.php
Only anti-vac liar sociopaths still buy this screwy conspiracy.
Mark Probert
> "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > "If you can't answer a man's argument, all is not lost; you can still call
> > him vile names." --Elbert Hubbard
>
> And Putz posts **Nice personal attack**
This totally exploded my portable irony meter.
Mark Probert
> The New York Times has run several pieces in the past year on vaccines
> and autism, the most recent on 2/17/08
>
> The thrust of the pieces is that vaccines, including thimeserol-
> containing vaccines, do not cause autism. (You can read the details,
> and why the NYT came to that conclusion, yourselves.)
That is easy. They examined the facts, tossed out the wacko
conspiracies, and reached the only rational conclusion.
D. C. Sessions
They are available now in Usenet-hardened titanium.
drce...@insightbb.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
If the third world has lower rates of autism one has to ask these
questions.
Are the docs not diagnosing the same?
Are the kids dying before they can become autistic?
Are the kids getting the same amount of mercury as those in the US?
I would vote for an early death, and not getting poisoned with the
same level of mercury as in the US. The incomeptence of the docs may
factor into the equation.
DrCee
Not willing to compare apples and oranges to get some bogus answer.
Jan Drew
> Jan Drew wrote:
>>
>> "Jeff" <kidsd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ZYItj.2287$N95.609@trnddc03...
>>> JOHN wrote:
>>>> Video - Why Vaccines Aren't Safe - Mary Tocco, Michigan
>>>> http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/2/14/why-vaccines-aren-t-safe.aspx
>>>
>>> IMHO, Mercola is a scuzbucket.
>>>
>>> And the page is inaccurate. For example, it states that vaccines are
>>> immune suppressing. That is false. If you think that helping the immune
>>> system to recognize deadly germs so that it won't allow those organisms
>>> to reproduce is weakening the immune system, then you're an idiot.
>>>
>>> For accurate info on vaccines, go to www.cdc.gov.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>> Poor, Putz.
>
> Nice name calling.
Your name Jeffery Peter Joseph Utz.
But...you knew that.
In the future, it would be appreciated if you would
> discuss the issue at hand rather than make personal, kindergarten-type
> attacks.
See above, as for kindergarten-type...
*Mercola is a scuzbucket.*
I did and have discussed the subject many times.
>
> Have a lovely day.
>
> Jeff
Thanks, I did. Wish the same for you.
Best to not believe the CDC with their fraud, invested interests, etc.
They are *Organized medicine*.
TRust the government, if you are a fool.
Jan Drew
The problem is, *The Centers for Disease Control published a study last fall
repudiating any possible link between thimerosal and developmental problems
like autism in children. However, First Coast News has obtained
non-published documents that show the CDC DID have data supporting such a
link-- but kept it from the public.*
Therefore, anyone who believes the (CDC..AND the government) is accurate is
being fooled.
Jan
A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie
was believed.When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the
masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its
speaker, a raving lunatic. -Dresden James
Jan Drew
Facts like these..
*dismissed by prominent scientific organizations.*
* Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Food and Drug
Administration, the Institute of Medicine, the World Health Organization and
the American Academy of Pediatrics have all found no evidence to support a
connection between vaccines and autism.*
Poor Markey.
Jan Drew
On Feb 18, 12:40 am, rw...@ca.rr.com wrote:
> uncovered via FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT reported by ROBERT F KENNEDY JR
>
> read a few paragraphs to see what our top government vaccine policy
> decision makers really think.
>
> Deadly Immunity
> Robert F. Kennedy Jr. investigates the government cover-up of a
> mercury/autism scandal
>
> By ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.
>
> In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health
> officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood
> conference center in Norcross, Georgia.
Drivel deleted.
For a truly thorough, insightful, and factual analysis of the
Simpsonwood conference, and the phoney wacko conspiracies that the
anti-vac liar sociopaths spew:
http://scienceblogsOracnosenuttin.
> anti-vac liar sociopaths
Get a new line Mark.
M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t 07-10...@lymbercartel.com
Jan Drew
On Feb 18, 1:34 am, "XXX XXXX" <?????????????????> wrote:
This thread is no longer about vaccines.
It is now *DISHONEST* Mark Probert.
With his fake and exposed UDP.
Jeff
Were are the data that First Coast News obtained published?
Jan Drew
Ever heard of that, Putz?
Web Results 1 - 10 of about 121,000 for First Coast News vaccination. (0.35
seconds)
Jeff
My browser resolves that as www.com. Not a useful site.
If you are implying that I should look this up myself, please learn to
do your own homework.
> Ever heard of that, Putz?
I see you are doing more name calling, like the kids on my soccer team,
the tactic of those without an argument. I take that back - the kids on
my soccer team are too mature to do that: They have all graduated
kindergarten.
Jeff
David Wright
>
>>
>> Childhood vaccines no longer have thimerasol in them.
>>
>> Jeff
>
>Some still do http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm
The only vaccines in the standard list of children's vaccines that
contain thimerosal are some influenza vaccines. So children are
getting far less thimerosal than they used to.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?"
-- Bill Maher
ma...@marytocco.com
> >news:ZYItj.2287$N95.609@trnddc03...
> >> JOHN wrote:
> >>> Video - Why Vaccines Aren't Safe - Mary Tocco, Michigan
> >> IMHO, Mercola is a scuzbucket.
>
> > him vile names." --Elbert Hubbard
>
>
> >> And the page is inaccurate. F or example, it states that vaccines are
> >> immune suppressing. That is false.
>
> fact. That is intellectually dishonest.
> > just too darn toxic. If you inject thimerosal into an animal, its brain will
> > sicken. If you apply it to living tissue, the cells die. If you put it in a
> > petri dish, the culture dies. Knowing these things, it would be shocking if
> > one could inject it into an infant without causing damage." ----Dr. Boyd
> > Haley, Professor and Chair, Dept. of Chemistry, University of Kentucky and
> > one of the world's leading authorities on mercury toxicity.
> >http://whale.to/vaccines/thimerosal.htm
>
> > cheers!
>
>
> Jeff
Mary Tocco Here, producer of "Are Vaccines Safe? DVD that everyone is
discussing! Sorry Jeff, you are dead wrong. Prove to me that this is
so, vaccines still have trace amounts and if it is removed...what did
they replace it with??? If you believe what they tell you without
questioning, you are very easily lead.
ma...@marytocco.com
> >news:ic7k85-...@news.lumbercartel.com...
>
> >>>> And the page is inaccurate. For example, it states that vaccines are
> >>>> immune suppressing. That is false.
>
> >> any mercury in them?
>
> >> --
>
> > "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> > <news:ic7k85-...@news.lumbercartel.com>...
>
>
>
> >> mercury in them?
>
> > They did for the last 50 years or so, still do for the third world, and
> > still in flu vaccines, some tetanus etc
> >http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm
>
> > and there may still eb trace amounts which they don't have to declare
>
> > And then we have all the other poisons Jeff calls 'immune boosters' like
> > aluminium etc
>
> > try and get the facts first
>
> only reason why the influenza outbreak in San Diego isn't bigger is that
> most of the population is vaccinated.
>
> http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_8281325
>
> Vaccines are one of the greatest public health measures ever. Only clean
> drinking water, sanitation and healthy food have saved more lives than
> vaccines. Vaccines have eliminated polio from the western hemisphere and
> eliminated smallpox everywhere. In addition, in the US, measles, mumps,
> rubella, tetanus, diptheria, purtussis, HIB menigits, and other diseases
> have been greatly reduced.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sorry Jeff, wrong again, only 10% of the world got small pox vaccine.
You cannot take credit for eradication when only 10% were vaccinated.
As conditions improve in sanitation, food supply, clean water
ect...infectious diseases began to dissapear including where no
vaccines were given. World Health Statistis Annual 1976 and other
references available to prove this. Also, vaccines were introduced
decades after marked decline was noted. Do you really trust what the
WHO and CDC say? CDC takes credit where credit is not due. They are
motivated, controlled and owned by big pharma money. www.childhoodshots.com
ma...@marytocco.com
>
> > >> Childhood vaccines no longer have thimerasol in them.
>
> > >> Jeff
>
>
> > > and all the third world vaccines
>
> > > "Pichichero has served as consultant to the World Health Organization, and
> > > his research has held considerable weight in the WHO decision to continue
> > > using thimerosal in vaccines administered in nations outside the United
> > > States."--- [Jan 2008] Babies excrete vaccine-mercury quicker than
> > > originally thought
>
> > under, except Influenza.http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm
>
> > As far as third world countries is concerned, the preservative is
> > needed, because refrigeration is not as readily available.
>
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> in third world vaccines, is their rates of autism are actually lower
>
> - Show quoted text -
Really, Can you trust the stats about this? How about AIDS which is
really their immune systems at war with themselves. God Bless the
third world countries where we throw all of our bad vaccines full of
thimerosal and say it is for thier good. They get our old polio
vaccine which is the live virus vaccine that caused all the polio in
out country since 1980. Shame on us :(
Mary Tocco, Producer of "Are Vaccines Safe?" www.childhoodshots.com
Mark Probert
Some have trace amounts which are insignificant.
As for your question regarding replacement, the fact that you ask the
question demonstrates that you are uninformed on this entire issue.
I'll explain it to you...
The purpose of Thimerosal was to prevent cross contamination when
using multi-dose vials. Now, the vaccines are all in single dose vials
there is no need for such a preservative. Therefore, there was no
replacement.
Please do get up to speed on this issue. It seems you have been led
astray by the anti-vaccination liar sociopaths.
Jeff
Single dose vials that don't get contaminated.
Jeff
Jeff
If this were the case, then there would still be small pox where they
poop on ground, there are low food supplies and clean water is not
available, which includes way too much of the world.
> World Health Statistis Annual 1976 and other
> references available to prove this. Also, vaccines were introduced
> decades after marked decline was noted. Do you really trust what the
> WHO and CDC say? CDC takes credit where credit is not due. They are
> motivated, controlled and owned by big pharma money. www.childhoodshots.com
Gee, it seems like that childhood shots.com site is motivated by money.
$20 for a DVD? They cost like $1 to make.
I put far more trust in what WHO and the CDC say than you.
Jeff
Jeff
> really their immune systems at war with themselves.
AIDS is a disease caused by a virus, called HIV, that attacks people's
immune system.
> God Bless the
> third world countries where we throw all of our bad vaccines full of
> thimerosal and say it is for thier good.
Actually, they are good vaccines. Vaccines have marketedly reduced
deaths from measles in 3rd world countries.
> They get our old polio
> vaccine which is the live virus vaccine that caused all the polio in
> out country since 1980. Shame on us :(
The live vaccine provides better protection from polio than the killed
vaccine. The live vaccine did most of the work of wiping out polio from
the western hemisphere.
There is no shame on us here, because giving the live polio vaccine to
the 3rd world saved thousands of lives.
Jeff
Peter Bowditch
Hello Mary,
Still lying and spreading filth, I see. Keep up the good work.
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/tocco.htm
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
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Peter Bowditch
Hello Mary,
Were you born this vile or did you have to work at it?
Do you go to the children's ward at your local hospital and laugh at
the sick kids?
Peter Bowditch
Hello Mary,
Do you make a good living lying about vaccines?
How do you look at yourself in the mirror without vomiting?
Peter Bowditch
Mark Probert
Hmmm....researching vaccines for 25 years and cannot figure out what
replaced Thimerosal.
She did spike my LoonOmeter.
Mark Probert
> To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com-
I was giving her the benefit of the doubt. You have removed all doubt.
JOHN
>
> If this were the case, then there would still be small pox where they poop
> on ground, there are low food supplies and clean water is not available,
> which includes way too much of the world.
>
Its a hoax, end of story http://whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html
> Gee, it seems like that childhood shots.com site is motivated by money.
> $20 for a DVD? They cost like $1 to make.
Gee, your vaccine pals make billions killing and maiming kids every year.
> I put far more trust in what WHO and the CDC say than you.
>
> Jeff
>
You would, being on the same level--psychopathy.
JOHN
>
> AIDS is a disease caused by a virus, called HIV, that attacks people's
> immune system.
> Actually, they are good vaccines. Vaccines have marketedly reduced deaths
> from measles in 3rd world countries.
Lie http://whale.to/m/exp8.html
>
> The live vaccine provides better protection from polio than the killed
> vaccine. The live vaccine did most of the work of wiping out polio from
> the western hemisphere.
Lie http://whale.to/v/polio2.htm
used for genocide http://whale.to/a/genocide_opv.html
> There is no shame on us here, because giving the live polio vaccine to the
> 3rd world saved thousands of lives.
Lie, see above
Putz http://whale.to/m/putz.html
JOHN
>
> Nice name calling. In the future, it would be appreciated if you would
> discuss the issue at hand rather than make personal, kindergarten-type
> attacks.
>
> Have a lovely day.
>
> Jeff
>
Try setting an example if you want anyone to follow it
After all, the whaleto pages are clearly written by some twit who doesn't
understand medicine or science and who is too ashamed to put her name on the
pages. Can't blame her. (jan 6/2007)
Correct. There is no evidence that John ever had any intelligence. ;-)
Yazbak is an ass.
Smith was a clueless twit. Apparently, he was a good actor though.
"Too bad you can't see what a jerk you are."
"Warning: The whale.to site is maintained bys someone who knows almost
nothign about medicine and peditarics or vaccines and science. The author is
too ashamed to put hi name on the page. I don't blame him."---Putz
John wears an Aluminum foil beanie which prevents him from getting a clue.
While I agree that he is unable to get a clue, it is not the aluminum foil
beanie. It is what is underneath it.--Jeff
JOHN
try and delete unecessary text, old chap
D. C. Sessions
> try and delete unecessary text, old chap
Dang -- for once Scudamore and I are in perfect agreement.
--
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Jeff
> "Jeff" <kidsd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1_dxj.33877$v57.33038@trnddc05...
>
>> If this were the case, then there would still be small pox where they poop
>> on ground, there are low food supplies and clean water is not available,
>> which includes way too much of the world.
>>
>
> Its a hoax, end of story http://whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html
That website is the laughing stock of the internet. The author clearly
has no understanding of science, medicine or vaccines.
>> Gee, it seems like that childhood shots.com site is motivated by money.
>> $20 for a DVD? They cost like $1 to make.
>
> Gee, your vaccine pals make billions killing and maiming kids every year.
I don't have vaccine pals.
JOHN
>
> I don't have vaccine pals.
>
you're an allopath http://whale.to/a/allopathy_h.html
go figure
David Wright
<drce...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>On Feb 17, 2:07 pm, Kevysmom <bluebun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The flu vaccine that babies receive still has 12.5 mcg of mercury in
>> it, Babies get two of these.
>>
>> On Feb 17, 1:37 pm, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in
>> > >>> immune suppressing. That is false.
>>
>> > > any mercury in them?
>>
>> > > --
>>
>> > "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>> > <news:ic7k85-...@news.lumbercartel.com>...
>>
>>
>> > > mercury in them?
>>
>> > They did for the last 50 years or so, still do for the third world, and
>> > still in flu vaccines, some tetanus
>>
>> > and there may still eb trace amounts which they don't have to declare
>>
>> > And then we have all the other poisons Jeff calls 'immune boosters' like
>> > aluminium etc
>>
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>1950 mercury exposure was 50 mcg.
>1970 mercury exposure was 75 mcg.
>1992 mercury exposure was 187.5 mcg
>2003 mercury exposure was 212.5 mcg.
And what, pray, are the 2008 numbers? I'm not too worried about 2003
unless someone is planning on sending us all back in time.
Jan Drew
"David Wright"
>On Feb 17