Had to laugh...
just another lurker
I've already been attacked by the formula companies...free formula! Free
coupons!
The magazine had as it's cover story in BIG bold letters 'Breastfeeding is
the best thing you can do for your child!!!!!!'
underneat that in smaller letters: 'valuable coupons inside!'
I laughed my butt off..guess God has started charging??????
Shelly
due 5/5
Aaron's Mom
always used the coupons for the "free" ones so that I can donate
them to charity before they expire, or if I have a hungry kitty
come around, maybe they will eat it :-)
Stick around, ask questions and learn everything you can about
BF. It is hard in the begining, but oh so worth the benifits
and the struggle of learning, it is something that you and your
baby have to learn. Everyone here will try and help you with
any questions that you may have. Good luck and congratulations
on the upcomming birth of your baby!!!
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just another lurker
someone...that's a good suggestion. You know, I got this from the WIC
(women, infant & children nutrition) program...'when your baby is born, be
sure to send daddy down to pick up some formula' I said I'm going to bf &
the lady said 'you'll want to send him down anyway so you can supplement'.
I just said ok & walked away. I didn't know what to say to the woman.
Everywhere in the health dept/wic office are posters about how wonderful
bfing is...do it! they scream & then their employees (supposed
nutritionists?) say things like this. Glad I'm not relying on them for
bfing advice!
Have a great day! I've finally got the energy to clean my house & clean out
the trunk of our car...wish me luck!
shelly
due 5/5
"Aaron's Mom" <jamiebar...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:03582ed0...@usw-ex0104-032.remarq.com...
Jan Heirtzler
*anything* from formula companies, or anyone else, for that matter. I
wonder if it's because we're planning a homebirth, so have not registered
with a hospital and whatnot? Not that I mind, per se, it's just I'm
starting to feel a little left out :)
Jan & wee one (EDD 25 May 2000)
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Sandra Mort
troo old for the crap anyway! And they won't take me off their goddamn
list! I've called twice now & am still getting junk from them.
Sandra'n'Eva
Jan Heirtzler <j...@cisunix.unh.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.4.21.000419...@hypatia.unh.edu...
L. Johnson
Leah - 26
Natalya (4/28/95)
"The Sprout" (edd 8/31/00)
gilde...@webtv.net
came to pick up food vouchers, the lady would always say " We can change
your vouchers whenever you get ready to switch to formula", as if this
was what was expected. Fortunately Mandolin latched on properly from day
one and the only trouble was a little engourgement a couple of days
later. I've read alot of stories about it being hard work, but sometimes
it just comes easily and naturallly too. If you do have any troubles the
ladies (and Jerry LOL!) have a lot of good advice to see you through.
Lily
Beverley Malone
wonderful experience !
Beverley
Wales UK
Bryn
program. They should not be advocating formula or supplementing. I talked
to a director about this recently, and they said they really need to know
when their workers are giving out such advice, as they are not supposed to
be.
--
Brynda (mom of Jaidyn, 3, Korbin,10 months, Kaitlin, 7)
just another lurker wrote in message <8dkpie$fnv$1...@news.smartworld.net>...
. You know, I got this from the WIC
>(women, infant & children nutrition) program...'when your baby is born, be
>sure to send daddy down to pick up some formula' I said I'm going to bf &
>the lady said 'you'll want to send him down anyway so you can supplement'.
>I just said ok & walked away. I didn't know what to say to the woman.
>Everywhere in the health dept/wic office are posters about how wonderful
>bfing is...do it! they scream & then their employees (supposed
>nutritionists?) say things like this. Glad I'm not relying on them for
>bfing advice!
>shelly
>due 5/5
>
Suzanne Dallapè
Jan Heirtzler wrote in message ...
>You know, I'm only 5 weeks away from my EDD, and I have yet to get
that I mind, per se, it's just I'm
>starting to feel a little left out :)
Jan, honey, don't worry; you can have mine!
--S.
JDal...@att.net
Jodi Graham Wood
Jan Heirtzler <j...@cisunix.unh.edu> wrote:
>You know, I'm only 5 weeks away from my EDD, and I have yet to get
>wonder if it's because we're planning a homebirth, so have not registered
>starting to feel a little left out :)
Personally, I liked all the free stuff we got. Some nice little carrying
bags, an insulated one with ice packs, etc. My DD is BF, but has had an
occasional bottle of formula with a babysitter and DH. It certainly wasn't
worth it to me to get an expensive pump for the few times she needed a
bottle, and I never had too much luck with the cheap ones. Those little
cans came in handy.
Jodi (Anna 8.4.99)
Delfino and Brenda Falciani
the free diaper bag) and a couple of days after I got home, there was a case
containing a large can of powdered formula, some 2 oz sterile disposable
bottles of formula, forms for mail-ordering formula and several coupons. I
actually thought I might need it when I returned to work, but another thing I
got at the hospital was a medela manual breast pump. I was amazed at how well
it worked and soon bought a medela pump. I was never able to pump for my
other daughters (I had tried gerber and evenflo pumps - didn't know any
better.) Now I work full time and express enough milk for my 11 1/2 week old
daughter in two pumpings a day.
My dog loves baby formula!
Jan Heirtzler wrote:
> You know, I'm only 5 weeks away from my EDD, and I have yet to get
> *anything* from formula companies, or anyone else, for that matter. I
> wonder if it's because we're planning a homebirth, so have not registered
> with a hospital and whatnot? Not that I mind, per se, it's just I'm
> starting to feel a little left out :)
>
> Jan & wee one (EDD 25 May 2000)
>
Emily Roysdon
: You know, I'm only 5 weeks away from my EDD, and I have yet to get
: *anything* from formula companies, or anyone else, for that matter. I
: wonder if it's because we're planning a homebirth, so have not registered
: with a hospital and whatnot? Not that I mind, per se, it's just I'm
: starting to feel a little left out :)
LOL, don't feel left out! With my first pregnancy, I had a very pro BFing
OB/midwife group, and never got a single item in the mail, nor did they have
displays or sign-ups for formula in their office. Thinking this was the
status quo, I was shocked and annoyed when my first and second MWs (we
switched insurance mid-pregnancy this time around) had sign-ups and I
started getting formula company spam in the mail even though I specifically
stated I didn't want to join the club and refused their welcome pack at the
first visit. I especially hate how they will target those mothers who say
they will *not* be using formula on the "new mom's club" forms, and I've had
friends who got *cases* of formula over a period of months because they said
they'd be exclusively breastfeeding, while the ones who planned to formula
feed got none. I am in the process of finding yet another midwife, and I
really hope that I can find one who isn't arm-and-arm with the formula
industry.
--
Emily, wife to Jason since 1997
mama to Noah Joshua (4/8/98) & "lil butterfly" (due 6/19/00)
http://emily.artoo.net
"I figure I'll go for the full life of sin, followed by the last-minute,
presto-chango deathbed repentance." Bart Simpson
Jan Heirtzler
> feed got none. I am in the process of finding yet another midwife, and I
> really hope that I can find one who isn't arm-and-arm with the formula
> industry.
Hope you can find one :) The only things my MW has in her office are
from LLL and Lansinoh (got a free sample of that...) I'm a little
surprised that Babycenter.com doesn't have some kind of deal with formula
companies -- I haven't gotten any spam from them, which is pleasantly new
for me with web memberships!
Jan & wee one
Beverley Malone
give kittens formula as it would upset their stomachs!! Enough said I think!
Beverley
Aaron's Mom
>came to pick up food vouchers, the lady would always say " We
can change
>your vouchers whenever you get ready to switch to formula", as
if this
>was what was expected.
Are they all taught this? I get the same thing!! I just smile
and say Thanks
Jamie
If you wish to email me, please e-mail to Jamieb...@ivillage.com.
Mad
Jan Heirtzler <j...@cisunix.unh.edu> wrote:
> You know, I'm only 5 weeks away from my EDD, and I have yet to get
> *anything* from formula companies, or anyone else, for that matter. I
> wonder if it's because we're planning a homebirth, so have not registered
> with a hospital and whatnot? Not that I mind, per se, it's just I'm
> starting to feel a little left out :)
>
> Jan & wee one (EDD 25 May 2000)
Jan, I never got anything either. I did have a hospital birth, but I was
with a midwifery practice, and the hospital is very small and pro-BF,
pro-natural birth (they're one of the few, if not only, hospitals in the
Boston area that allow a water birth -- most others w/ tubs only let you
labor in the tub but not actually give burth). The hospital did, though,
give me a "breastfeeding success kit" courtesy of Enfamil. However, I was
one of the undesirable users of the kit, from Enfamil's perspective, as I
read and made use of all the materials (which I found pretty helpful) --
the kit included a pretty well-written booklet which helped me through the
first week, a sports-type water bottle (that has imprinted on it "Don't
Forget About Yourself! -- ENFAMIL"), an ice pack w/ the Enfamil logo on it
(to pack along with EBM, but I suspect they would like it to be packed
along with a bottle of Enfamil) ... however, IMO you can never have enough
ice packs to put in a cooler for beer and other important summer
beverages. ;)
Oh, the hospital also gave me a full-sized tube of Lansinoh, which I
thought was pretty cool (though I'm sure a tiny little sample tube would
have been enough to last me through this baby and maybe another one, since
a little bit goes such a long way!).
Madolyn, Amelia's mama (11/24/99)
-------
email madolyn a t mediaone d o t net
L. Johnson
hoping to get diaper coupons and the like, and marked that I'd be exclusively
BF. I never received anything at all.
Leah - 26
Natalya - (4/28/95)
"The Sprout" - (edd 8/31/00)
Emily Roysdon wrote:
> LOL, don't feel left out! With my first pregnancy, I had a very pro BFing
> OB/midwife group, and never got a single item in the mail, nor did they have
> displays or sign-ups for formula in their office. Thinking this was the
> status quo, I was shocked and annoyed when my first and second MWs (we
> switched insurance mid-pregnancy this time around) had sign-ups and I
> started getting formula company spam in the mail even though I specifically
> stated I didn't want to join the club and refused their welcome pack at the
> first visit. I especially hate how they will target those mothers who say
> they will *not* be using formula on the "new mom's club" forms, and I've had
> friends who got *cases* of formula over a period of months because they said
> they'd be exclusively breastfeeding, while the ones who planned to formula
> feed got none. I am in the process of finding yet another midwife, and I
> really hope that I can find one who isn't arm-and-arm with the formula
> industry.
>
Aaron's Mom
spurt, didn't even know what that was until I posted here and
got some wonderful advice, I succumbed to "supplementation"
because I didn't know this was how it was supposed to work. I
called my peds office and was told, sounds like a fluke with
your milk supply, if it keeps up, just put him on a bottle. Then
I called my local health dept and spoke with a nutritionist,
can't remember what she said, but she said that we were eligible
for WIC, so I signed up, the milk, cereal, tuna, ect. comes in
really handy, but everytime I go, she always tells me, if you
decide to put him on formula, just remember all you have to do
is tell us.
For them to know that BF is best for your baby, this really gets
me, or I hear, My goodness what a big breastfed baby, do they
think they should be scrawny? Aaron is taller, heavier and
happier than my first son whom I bottlefed because I didn't know
enough about breastfeeding. Just learn all you can and don't
let anyone who has never successfully breastfed give you advice.
Good luck
Suzanne Dallapè
>The hospital did, though,
>give me a "breastfeeding success kit" courtesy of Enfamil.
We got a breastfeeding kit too, which contained bottles, cold packs,
and...FORMULA!
>Oh, the hospital also gave me a full-sized tube of Lansinoh, which I
>thought was pretty cool (though I'm sure a tiny little sample tube would
>have been enough to last me through this baby and maybe another one, since
>a little bit goes such a long way!).
I get jealous when I hear people like you. I did get a tiny sample of
Lansinoh this time around, but with my first baby the only samples I got
were formula samples. (Well, I got a diaper here and there, and samples of
a few baby products, but nothing that would pertain to BF.) Maybe things
will be different this time around, and they will take heed when I insist
that I am breastfeeding, and maybe I won't get so much formula. (Heck, it
takes TIME AND ENERGY to open all those cans and return them unused!)
--S.
JDal...@att.net
Suzanne Dallapè
>I gave free samples to a cats shelter and they said they couldn't possibly
>give kittens formula as it would upset their stomachs!! Enough said I
think!
Did you know that on cans of "puppy formula" it says to NEVER give it until
the puppies are a few days old, so they can get the necessary benefits of
colostrum! Sad that people treat their pets better than their children!
--S.
JDal...@att.net
Karin Cernik
to breastfeed. Never received anything from anyone. Didn't get the
diaper bag/formula feeding kit from the hospital, no coupons, no
magazines, no nothing. I guess that's good. :-)
Karin
Mad wrote:
>
> In article <Pine.OSF.4.21.000419...@hypatia.unh.edu>,
> Jan Heirtzler <j...@cisunix.unh.edu> wrote:
>
> > You know, I'm only 5 weeks away from my EDD, and I have yet to get
> > *anything* from formula companies, or anyone else, for that matter. I
> > wonder if it's because we're planning a homebirth, so have not registered
> > with a hospital and whatnot? Not that I mind, per se, it's just I'm
> > starting to feel a little left out :)
> >
> > Jan & wee one (EDD 25 May 2000)
>
> Jan, I never got anything either. I did have a hospital birth, but I was
> with a midwifery practice, and the hospital is very small and pro-BF,
> pro-natural birth (they're one of the few, if not only, hospitals in the
> Boston area that allow a water birth -- most others w/ tubs only let you
> labor in the tub but not actually give burth). The hospital did, though,
> give me a "breastfeeding success kit" courtesy of Enfamil. However, I was
> one of the undesirable users of the kit, from Enfamil's perspective, as I
> read and made use of all the materials (which I found pretty helpful) --
> the kit included a pretty well-written booklet which helped me through the
> first week, a sports-type water bottle (that has imprinted on it "Don't
> Forget About Yourself! -- ENFAMIL"), an ice pack w/ the Enfamil logo on it
> (to pack along with EBM, but I suspect they would like it to be packed
> along with a bottle of Enfamil) ... however, IMO you can never have enough
> ice packs to put in a cooler for beer and other important summer
> beverages. ;)
>
> Oh, the hospital also gave me a full-sized tube of Lansinoh, which I
> thought was pretty cool (though I'm sure a tiny little sample tube would
> have been enough to last me through this baby and maybe another one, since
> a little bit goes such a long way!).
>
Amy, John, & Cody
I filled out "exclusively breastfed". All the spam I get is from
carnation good start, but no free cans on my doorstep.
Amy, John, & Cody
Enfamil.
cath...@my-deja.com
"just another lurker" <nowhere@all> wrote:
> Thank you for the warm greeting! I hadn't thought of donating the
stuff to
> (women, infant & children nutrition) program...'when your baby is
born, be
> sure to send daddy down to pick up some formula' I said I'm going to
bf &
> the lady said 'you'll want to send him down anyway so you can
supplement'.
> I just said ok & walked away. I didn't know what to say to the
Tell her that comment is way out of line! WIC is supposed to be a
*nutrition* program yet she is making out like the inclination to feed
that stuff is NATURAL? Sheesh - I'd be writing to "someone" over that
(avid letter writer - hey it works I got a law changed!)
cheers,
Cath
http://come.tp/breastfest2000
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
cath...@my-deja.com
"Sandra Mort" <do...@onepine.com> wrote:
> I had a homebirth & diudn't get anything until recently... now that
my dd is
> troo old for the crap anyway! And they won't take me off their
goddamn
> list! I've called twice now & am still getting junk from them.
>
formula on and perpetuate the cycle (which is why when i lived in the
US and received formula samples in the mail I ALWAYS used to send it
back to them by courier COD - that works!) I had hi risk pregnancies
and many of the other mothers in my online support group had
miscarriages. One had a neonatal death. But do you think those
despicable companies care? They just keep right on sending that crap
to those poor grieving mothers who get their heart ripped out every
time they get more baby stuff in the mail.
Cath
http://come.to/breastfest2000
cath...@my-deja.com
NuclearSubDude <Nuclear...@Prodigy.net> wrote:
> Yes, I see the free insulated bags that Simalac or someone gave at the
> hospital all over! I use mine to bring yogurt and sippy cups around
town
yeah free advertising for the formula companies!
cheers,
Suzanne Dallapè
> (when i lived in the
>US and received formula samples in the mail I ALWAYS used to send it
>back to them by courier COD - that works!)
When you send it back, remember to open the tin top of the powder cans and
replace the plastic lid--this way the formula powder is ruined and they
can't send it to anyone else (why not cost them a little money?)! If it is
the liquid type, punch a very small hole in the top--not enough to make a
mess, but enough to obviously ruin the can.
--S.
JDal...@att.net
cath...@my-deja.com
"Suzanne Dallapè" <Kar...@smugglers.alliance.org> wrote:
>
> When you send it back, remember to open the tin top of the powder
cans and
> replace the plastic lid--this way the formula powder is ruined and
they
> can't send it to anyone else (why not cost them a little money?)! If
it is
> the liquid type, punch a very small hole in the top--not enough to
make a
> mess, but enough to obviously ruin the can.
> --S.
> JDal...@att.net
Nuts! never thought of that. Now where were you when my kids were
babies? ;) Nowadays i never get formula samples - illegal in
Australia.
Cheers,
Cheryl Nakao
It's very handy because I can keep all my pumping supplies in there.
And how is it free advertising for the formula companies when the
formula companies names and logos are not emblazoned across the diaper
bag? I have the one give out by mead-johnson, and the only thing on the
bag with their logo is a little key ring sized dealy with safety cards
that is removable. The diaper bag itself just has little bunnies and
carrots, and the only words on the outside are "Peter Rabbit". The bags
given out by Ross have even less on them.
They just look like regular diaper bags that you can buy in Target or
Toys R Us to anyone that doesn't know better.
Cheryl
cath...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> In article <38FFE06D...@Prodigy.net>,
> NuclearSubDude <Nuclear...@Prodigy.net> wrote:
> > Yes, I see the free insulated bags that Simalac or someone gave at the
> > hospital all over! I use mine to bring yogurt and sippy cups around
> town
> yeah free advertising for the formula companies!
>
> cheers,
>
> Cath
> http://come.to/breastfest2000
>
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> Before you buy.
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Cheryl Nakao <mommy...@home.com> wrote:
<snip>
> And how is it free advertising for the formula companies when the
> formula companies names and logos are not emblazoned across the diaper
> bag? I have the one give out by mead-johnson, and the only thing on
> the
> bag with their logo is a little key ring sized dealy with safety cards
> that is removable. The diaper bag itself just has little bunnies and
> carrots, and the only words on the outside are "Peter Rabbit".
I always thought it is a bitsad that MJ has comandeered poor Peter
Rabbit as their mascot. Brilliant marketing though - it gets people to
think of their product when they see the children's storybook
character - who would undoubtedly have been breastfed
Yes I have seen these bags. New mothers ALL know *exactly* where they
came from and what company provided them and that those kind people at
Mead Johnson gave us these cool little bags with formula and tempra and
useful stuff in them and since it's not emblazoned across the front
it's ok right? Mead Johnson has done such a great job distributing
those bags everybody knows where they came from. The new parents
in "Mad About You" used to carry one around in the baby scenes and how
many MJ bag toting mamas thought "oh that's just like MY diaper bag?"
I carried one around myself until I realised how common they were and
how people were making the association between seeing that and
thinking "formula" and since I was a) not interested in advertising for
a FORMULA company and b) proud to be breastfeeding and wanted NO
condusion - I tossed it and bought a backpack.
> The bags given out by Ross have even less on them.
>
> They just look like regular diaper bags that you can buy in Target or
> Toys R Us to anyone that doesn't know better.
Anyone who doesn't know any better is of no real use to Ross. But
someone who DOES know better (ie: recognises the bag) is usually
exactly the kind of person Ross wants to target - a new parent and
potential new customer!
Cheers,
Suzanne Dallapè
cath...@my-deja.com wrote in message
>Nuts! never thought of that. Now where were you when my kids were
>babies? ;)
Don't feel too bad. I didn't think of it until after the formula samples
were all consumed (by DH, by the way!). It was one of those brilliant, "Oh!
I should have done THAT instead!" things, and DH wouldn't have felt obliged
to drink paint-water...
--S.
JDal...@att.net
cath...@my-deja.com
"Suzanne Dallapè" <Kar...@smugglers.alliance.org> wrote:
> Don't feel too bad. I didn't think of it until after the formula
samples
> were all consumed (by DH, by the way!).
OMG he drank that stuff?? How putrid.
At least you didn't give it to the baby ;) Personally I wouldn't feed
my kids anything I was not willing to consume myself and formula is
like number 1 on that list!
It was one of those brilliant, "Oh!
> I should have done THAT instead!" things, and DH wouldn't have felt
obliged
> to drink paint-water...
Ick yuk yuk. I hear animal shelters won't take it. Sad that in this
society we treat our animals better than our children
Sandra Mort
TWICE now, each time they promised I wouldn't get more, yet it still
arrives. The ludicrous thing is that I didn't start receiving it until
AFTER she was too old to drink it, so even if I was *WILLING* to feed that
swill to her, it wouldn't be appropriate anyway!
Sandra'n'Eva
Sandra Mort
Sandra, incredulous
> Don't feel too bad. I didn't think of it until after the formula samples
> were all consumed (by DH, by the way!). It was one of those brilliant,
"Oh!
> I should have done THAT instead!" things, and DH wouldn't have felt
obliged
> to drink paint-water...
> --S.
> JDal...@att.net
>
>
>
Nickie
formula samples & coupons. Not using those, but I am using his diaper
coupons though! LOL
Makes you wonder how they got his name!!
Nickie
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Devan Michael 2-14-95
Jonathan William 3-15-00
http://www.geocities.com/~nickied to see my boys!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Cheryl Nakao
> Ick yuk yuk. I hear animal shelters won't take it. Sad that in this
> society we treat our animals better than our children
>
You obviously haven't read the ingredients of a bag of dry dog or cat
food before, have you?
As much as I don't agree with your stance on formula (my oldest son got
formula after my supply went south after pumping exclusively... long
story), I don't feel completely comfortable with the chemical cocktail
that is formula either.
Cheryl
mom to Jason (8/29/97) and Joey (7/20/99)
Naomi Lynne Pardue
Beverley Malone <Bev.M...@tesco.net> wrote:
> I gave free samples to a cats shelter and they said they couldn't possibly
> give kittens formula as it would upset their stomachs!! Enough said I think!
Well, just as humans need a different balance of nutrients than calves do
(hence the modification of cows milk when it is fed to human infants),
kittens need a different balance of nutrients than humans do, meaning that
formula designed for human babies isn't right for cat babies.
Naomi
Naomi Lynne Pardue
> You know, I'm only 5 weeks away from my EDD, and I have yet to get
> *anything* from formula companies, or anyone else, for that matter. I
> wonder if it's because we're planning a homebirth, so have not registered
> with a hospital and whatnot? Not that I mind, per se, it's just I'm
> starting to feel a little left out :)
I got no free formula when Shaina was a baby. I was talking to my sisters
over the weekend, and they said that they never got any either. (Or
rather, they only got it if they specifically requested it; one sister
because she was supplmeenting and the other so she could have some to put
in her earthquake kit.)
Naomi
Suzanne Dallapè
>OMG he drank that stuff?? How putrid.
We were curious! Yes, it is pretty weird-tasting, sort of like those diet
shakes that have a "tinny" flavor which isn't the least bit like a shake
made with actual milk & ice cream. We got enough ready-to-pour to feed for
about a week (clever, aren't they, helping me to totally dry up my supply?),
and DH didn't feel like throwing it out (and we hadn't thought of the
sending-back thing at that time), so he drank it. He started putting
chocolate powder in it to make it more palatable, but even that wasn't much
of a help. (Pretty sad when something cannot be improved with chocolate!)
Myself, I was finished after one sip! He drank all but one can, then he
just gave up and couldn't take it any more! We got several cans of powder
too, and we started out putting them in shakes, but it gave an "off" flavor
to them, so we pitched that too.
--S.
JDal...@att.net
Suzanne Dallapè
>Your dh DRANK it?!?
Yes, can you think of anything more disgusting? Oh wait, how about having a
BABY drink it...(Hey, at least Jerry ate "real food" for most of his diet,
unlike formula-fed babies!)
--S.
JDal...@att.net
cath...@my-deja.com
Cheryl Nakao <mommy...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > Ick yuk yuk. I hear animal shelters won't take it. Sad that in
this
> > society we treat our animals better than our children
> >
>
> You obviously haven't read the ingredients of a bag of dry dog or cat
> food before, have you?
I have - why is it obvious I haven't? What am I missing here?
>
> As much as I don't agree with your stance on formula <snip>
I am not sure if you know my "stance on formula". Basically that it
should only be used as a last resort and that it should not be
advertised or given away as samples. I just don't know why that is a
problem for so many people.
Hawkes
> > The bags given out by Ross have even less on them.
Yeah, did anyone get the little bag with purple stripes on it that contains
two ice packs? I got that freebie at the hospital and I thought it was so
nice that they gave me something that was perfect for preventing engorgement
when the milk came in - I would put on compresses before nursing and then
the two ice packs afterwards.
I think it was about a month later that it occurred to me that the bag was
for bottles!!
cath...@my-deja.com
"Suzanne Dallapè" <Kar...@smugglers.alliance.org> wrote:
<snip>
> We got enough ready-to-pour to feed for
> about a week (clever, aren't they, helping me to totally dry up my
supply?)
At your service ;)
<snip>
> He started putting
> chocolate powder in it to make it more palatable, but even that
wasn't much
> of a help. (Pretty sad when something cannot be improved with
chocolate!)
OMG that's bad. IMO anything that cannot be improved by chocolate is
unfit for human consumption ;)
> Myself, I was finished after one sip!
Me too. I tasted a sip at the prenatal classes when I was expecting my
first child. Clever community health nurse running the class - asked
if anyone intended to feed artificually - then opened a can of formula
and poured a little sample for everyone to try. Smelled like a cross
between a tin can and evaoprated milk with some other unidentifiable
chemicals in it and tasted like crap. The smell in incredible - you
can sure tell a FF baby just by the smell and that's not even before
it's digested.
Cheers,
Cath
Karrde
cath...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8e0nii$jbm$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>OMG he drank that stuff?? How putrid.
>my kids anything I was not willing to consume myself and formula is
>like number 1 on that list!
That was four years ago. Since then I've had three ear infections, several
immobilizing athsma attacks, breast cancer, and been tested 10 IQ points
lower.
--Jerry
cath...@my-deja.com
"Karrde" <Kar...@smugglers.alliance.org> wrote:
>
> That was four years ago. Since then I've had three ear infections,
several
> immobilizing athsma attacks, breast cancer, and been tested 10 IQ
points
> lower.
Oh I am SOOO glad to hear you're "just fine"
Cath ;)
http://come.to/breastfest2000
Suzanne Dallapè
>The smell in incredible - you
>can sure tell a FF baby just by the smell and that's not even before
>it's digested.
It's funny--I grew up around breastfed babies all my childhood, and later I
became a nursery attendant in a church. Sometimes there would be a baby in
my care, and the first time I held one, I thought it had some sort of
infection or something, because it had an "off" smell. The smell radiated
from its very pores. Later, when I got more experience with formula fed
babies, I noticed this peculiar smell popping up more often. I never
understood why babies suddenly smelled bad to me! Then my mom at some point
offhandedly said something about how formula fed babies sometimes smell
strange, and everything clicked! I don't really see breastfed babies as
smelling "sweet"--they just don't have a weird odor like formula babies do.
To this day, I can tell a formula fed baby just by sniffing its head.
--S.
JDal...@att.net
Robert Davidson
> I don't really see breastfed babies as
> smelling "sweet"--they just don't have a weird odor like formula babies do.
I do. I just love the smell of a baby when it's just been feeding. I love
kissing my little angel when she's just popped off the breast.
Kylie Davidson
just another lurker
A 5$ check! to be used to purchase formula & the following advice:
Q: I'm bfing. @4 wks my baby is suddenly hungrier. I'm worried that he's
not getting enough. Should I switch to formula?
A: Dr. Finn: No. bf & bottlefed babies go thru growth spurts that call for
more frequent feedings. That doesn't mean U should give up bfing. Feed him
as often as he wants & this will stimulate your milk supply.
Dr. Maclean: It is important to let him bf as often as he wishes. <snipped
rest of answer>
Interesting that they even approached a bfing mom;s question that way. I'm
glad they didn't find a couple of drs to say "OMG yes! Switch to formula
before your baby starves!"
Not that it makes me like or want to use similyuck any more than I do now.
I've smelled the stuff! Awful!
shelly
due 5/5 & impatient to meet Katlyn
Marie
Marie
Suzanne Dallapč wrote in message ...
>cath...@my-deja.com wrote in message >
>>The smell in incredible - you
>>can sure tell a FF baby just by the smell and that's not even
before
>>it's digested.
>
>
>It's funny--I grew up around breastfed babies all my childhood,
and later I
>became a nursery attendant in a church. Sometimes there would
be a baby in
>my care, and the first time I held one, I thought it had some
sort of
>infection or something, because it had an "off" smell. The
smell radiated
>from its very pores. Later, when I got more experience with
formula fed
>babies, I noticed this peculiar smell popping up more often. I
never
>understood why babies suddenly smelled bad to me! Then my mom
at some point
>offhandedly said something about how formula fed babies
sometimes smell
>strange, and everything clicked! I don't really see breastfed
babies as
>smelling "sweet"--they just don't have a weird odor like formula
babies do.
L. Johnson
cath...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > You obviously haven't read the ingredients of a bag of dry dog or cat
> > food before, have you?
>
> I have - why is it obvious I haven't? What am I missing here?
I don't know about you, but I always wondered about these dog and cat foods
with some kind of grain as the first ingredient. Don't the manufacturers
know what the 'carni' in carnivore stands for? Yeesh.
Leah
wife of Shawn
mother of Natalya and "The Sprout"
L. Johnson
logos. ;)
Leah
wife of Shawn
mother of Natalya & "The Sprout"
cath...@my-deja.com wrote:
> yeah free advertising for the formula companies!
>
> cheers,
>
> Cath
cath...@my-deja.com
"L. Johnson" <ha...@nis4u.com> wrote:
> I've found that nail polish remover does wonders for removing painted
on
> logos. ;)
>
Nice touch- going for diversity in a freebie bag. I just want to know
do they have the nail polish remover and the formula clearly marked?
Judging by the smell of both, I bet it would be easy to mix them up
and feed the wrong thing to the baby and paint your nails with similac.
It's OK I got your gist - really ;)
Cheers,
cath...@my-deja.com
"just another lurker" <nowhere@all> wrote:
> Interesting that they even approached a bfing mom;s question that
way. I'm
> glad they didn't find a couple of drs to say "OMG yes! Switch to
formula
Yup this is just the kind of thinkg FFs love!! "See it PROVES the
formula companies are not 'evil' after all" I don't think they would be
able to approach such a question any other way without subjecting
themselves to legal action or consumer boycott. This way they get all
the warm fuzzies and kudos for being so "socially responsible" AND they
get the fence sitting potential formula feeders on side because they
have "such a great attitude" - Points? Score 1 to similac - 0 to
another baby :(
Brenda Storch
handed me a pretty good sized box from Similac. I had to laugh.. first of
all, theres a letter , addressed to Alyssa, mind you, saying
Congratulations, your going to have a baby.. WHAT?? Wow, i knew kids were
starting early these days, but, this is rediculous.. LOL So, Im looking in
this box and, theres a 14 oz can of Similac with Iron powder.. Which, says
on the can "IMproved, closer than ever to mother's milk".. okay, I may be
mistaken, but, i dont think any powder ever came out of my boob.. lol..
(yeah, yeah, i know thats not what they meant.. lol).. okay, so, next,
theres a 4 oz can of isomil soy formuyuck... on this can, it says *For
common feeding problem such as fuuiness, gas and spit up.. wow, or,t hey
could have just breastfed and not pay out the a$$ for formuyuck.. lol
finally, theres two little 20 oz nurserettes..
okay, heres what i dont understand. i did get a few boxes of formula when i
was pregnant, however, I moved in October, she was born in June, months
prior.. All of a sudden, i get this, out of the blue... All ican figure
is, since, after all, its in HER name.. that , maybe my ped sent her name
off or something.. Do they do this??? I mean, heck, shes 10 months old, why
would i want to switch her to formuyuck now??
Brenda and Alyssa
.
Cheryl Nakao
(I donate them to the local food bank) when I was pg with my second, and
I only got the first set. Neither my sons pediatrician nor my OB/GYN
sells their information to formula companies.
If you don't wish to be malicious, donate the stuff to a food bank or
women's shelter, they usually appreciate it.
Cheryl
mom to Jason (8/29/97) and Joey (7/20/99)
cath...@my-deja.com
"Brenda Storch" <baby...@mail.mcia.com> wrote:
> Its funny, today, the mailman knocked on my door, when I opened it, he
> handed me a pretty good sized box from Similac. I had to laugh..
first of
Pardon the pun but THAT SUCKS!
Formula aside who the HELL has the right to give your baby's name and
address to anyone? What happened to privacy and medical
confidentiality? I know many doctors give patient info to formula
companies and it HAS to be illegal or is it premitted to be so lax with
their confidential patient information?
<snip>theres a 14 oz can of Similac with Iron powder.. Which, says
> on the can "IMproved, closer than ever to mother's milk".. okay, I
may be
> mistaken, but, i dont think any powder ever came out of my boob..
lol..
> (yeah, yeah, i know thats not what they meant.. lol).. okay, so, next,
> theres a 4 oz can of isomil soy formuyuck... on this can, it says *For
> common feeding problem such as fuuiness, gas and spit up.. wow, or,t
hey
> could have just breastfed and not pay out the a$$ for formuyuck.. lol
>
> finally, theres two little 20 oz nurserettes..<snip>
I like Suzane's response of opening the seals before you return it to
the company and I like MY idea of sending it by priority courier
COD ;) I really do not accept that this is "malicious" because the
companies REFUSE to listen to parental requests that they cease sending
the stuff (worse than phone companies) and if you simply send it on
they will think their marketing techniques are effective and they will
keep doing it.
Hawkes
> Pardon the pun but THAT SUCKS!
> Formula aside who the HELL has the right to give your baby's name and
> address to anyone? What happened to privacy and medical
> confidentiality? I know many doctors give patient info to formula
> companies and it HAS to be illegal or is it premitted to be so lax with
> their confidential patient information?
A word of warning to those who will be going in to give birth soon:
a ton of companies got our name and address from the photo company who takes
a picture about an hour after the baby is born.
Love the picture, but who's going to be thinking about the devious ulterior
motive at such a time!?
Charlotte
baby, depending on how good the store is depends on what you get. I had
dozens of nappies, pads-breast and sanitary,creams and lotions, anti-natal
massage cream. Again after the baby was born I received another pack, full
of nappies, creams baby lotions-shampoos and bubble baths, pads, baby
toothpaste. Hell I didn't buy much in the first few months and then we get
another pack when the child is around four months, with jars of food and
packeted food, more toothpaste etc...
Over here formula companies are not allowed to advertise formula milk, only
the follow-on milks (from six months), so the only packets of formula
received, were for follow-on milks. With coupons, once your name gets on a
list you get sent all the coupons in the world, I did however object to my
month old daughter being sent advertisements for shampoo.....She had no hair
let alone any money to go and buy the products LOL :-)
Charlotte
just another lurker wrote in message <8dk2gk$ee7$1...@news.smartworld.net>...
>I got this 'magazine' in the mail last week. I intend to bf my baby, but
>I've already been attacked by the formula companies...free formula! Free
>coupons!
>The magazine had as it's cover story in BIG bold letters 'Breastfeeding is
>the best thing you can do for your child!!!!!!'
>underneat that in smaller letters: 'valuable coupons inside!'
>I laughed my butt off..guess God has started charging??????
>
>Shelly
>due 5/5
>
>
>
cath...@my-deja.com
"Hawkes" <emma...@cstone.net> wrote:
>
> A word of warning to those who will be going in to give birth soon:
> a ton of companies got our name and address from the photo company
who takes
> a picture about an hour after the baby is born.
> Love the picture, but who's going to be thinking about the devious
ulterior
> motive at such a time!?
ROFL - not thinking of telling them your child's name is Ross are you?
;)
Suzanne Dallapè
>A word of warning to those who will be going in to give birth soon:
>a ton of companies got our name and address from the photo company who
takes
>a picture about an hour after the baby is born.
I know that some people look on those pictures almost as religious
obligations, but guys? Don't they all look exactly alike? And don't they
all tend to come out a bit uglier than your actual baby? (I think it is
because of the lighting--makes them squint up their eyes.) I think it is
MUCH better to get a good camera or find a friend who has one, and take a
few shots yourself. Take a few with mom & baby in a tender pose, too. Then
when you get them developed, pick out one or two of your favorites, and get
many prints made of them. This is cheaper than the professional
photographers that come to your room in the hospital, it is more intimate,
and the quality is almost as good if you get a decent camera. Plus, the
"homemade" pictures INVARIABLY look more distinct and individual than those
portraits. I have a TON of baby portraits which, if I don't have the name
on the back, I have no clue as to who they are. And I also have a few
"homemade" portraits where it is every obvious who the baby is. I don't
know why this is--maybe parents are more apt to instinctively catch the baby
at a "unique" moment or something. Homemade portraits can be SO much
better!
--S.
JDal...@att.net
Lee
never even saw them, let alone ordered them, I had literally hundreds by
the time I left the hospital and didn't think I needed any more. And I
agree they all look alike and are some of the ugliest baby pictures I
have ever seen..I always cringe when I have one sent to me in a baby
announcement but then when I actually SEE the baby they're so cute I
think, "That can't be the same baby!" So I don't regret never getting
the ones taken of my girls and won't be ordering them this time around
either.
Lee
(Mommy to Genevieve Caroline 6-2-00, Mercedes Raeanne 2-9-96, Amber
Denise 4-4-93 and step-mommy to D'Wayne Allen 6-30-89)
Personal quotes:
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" Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines."
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joon
and true!
i can see why it's popular though....
i didn't buy my baby's hospital photos,
i was in the hospital for three days,
so hubby came in with a camera one day
and we took a bunch of nice pictures,
and that was really nice.
Alison Tooth
> A word of warning to those who will be going in to give birth soon:
> a ton of companies got our name and address from the photo company who takes
> a picture about an hour after the baby is born.
> Love the picture, but who's going to be thinking about the devious ulterior
> motive at such a time!?
Wow - sounds completely bizarre! (To me here in UK) Photographers come
round whilst you're recovering from the birth and take your picture?
I've never heard of such a thing happening here. And the hospital I had
my first in are SO paranoid about security I can't imagine it would ever
be allowed.
Just another of those American/British things I guess ...
BTW the photos that always bring a tear to my eye are the two taken by
the midwife about 5-10 minutes after Poppy was born - she asked Chris
for the camera, and I didn't even notice. I was cuddling Poppy, who was
sort of nuzzling my nipple, and the placenta was still undelivered, and
you can see the cord as well still. They *are* kind of erm ... graphic?
(gross? <g>), but I love them!
Alison
Suzanne Dallapè
>Wow - sounds completely bizarre! (To me here in UK) Photographers come
>round whilst you're recovering from the birth and take your picture?
NOOO! They take the BABY'S picture! I doubt if any mother, American or
not, would volunteer to have HER picture taken an hour after giving birth!
These portraits are generally taken with a pastel background, with baby
lying on its back, wrapped in a blanket or in a little outfit. They only
take one shot, and then you have the option of buying a whole "package" with
large sizes for the grandparents and small sizes to tuck into the birth
announcements. Most of the portraits I have seen show the baby with really
squinty eyes. They look stoned. Then you see a snapshot of the very same
baby, and it looks like a totally different person, especially if it is with
its parents and family.
>BTW the photos that always bring a tear to my eye are the two taken by
>the midwife about 5-10 minutes after Poppy was born - she asked Chris
>for the camera, and I didn't even notice. [snip]
I always like seeing those--they are so much more "real" than the portraits.
It seems to me that one might take a good shot (maybe not as graphic as
yours...) and get it reproduced in small sizes to give away. Personally,
now that we have a good camera, I hope to take a newborn portrait of our new
baby, but I'd also like some unique "only for the family's eyes" shots, like
the baby the moment he comes out! Depending on the situation, I hope to
have the faculties to have the camera in my hand the minute he is born, and
while someone holds him on my stomach, I snap the first picture, even before
he takes his first breath. Click! Welcome to the world!
--S.
JDal...@att.net
Brenda Storch
I went camping this weekend.. left early Saterday morning, and returned
tonight.. so, I went to the mailbox to pick up the mail that was delievered
yesterday... today, theres a brochure form Heart Thoughts birth
announcements... again, addressed in Alyssa's name.. DH and myself are
getting rather irritated, because, Obviously, someone has given her name
out.. I dont know who.. IM calling BOTH companies tomorrow to ask where they
recieved her name from.
My mother in law suggested that, possibly, it was from the Book of the MOnth
Club that I have in Alyssa's name, but, as i told her, all the mailings from
that still go to her address two hours away.. So, even if they gave out
their mailing list, it would be sent to that address as well.. I havent
registered Alyssa for anything at this address, so, I Dont know..
HOpefully, i'll find out something tomorrow.
Brenda
cath...@my-deja.com
"Brenda Storch" <baby...@mail.mcia.com> wrote:
> <snip>today, theres a brochure form Heart Thoughts birth
> announcements... again, addressed in Alyssa's name.. DH and myself are
> getting rather irritated, because, Obviously, someone has given her
name
> out.. I dont know who.. IM calling BOTH companies tomorrow to ask
where they
Ugh that kind of freaks me out to think that some fo these companies
have all this information about our babies which maybe they have no
right to have.
H Schinske
took a GREAT picture of my twins. She knew just how to get them both with eyes
open and not fussing at the same time. I'm very glad we did it. On the other
hand, we never even ordered Peter's photo because we just knew it was going to
be bad (different photographer). Also we had family around to take a ton of
pictures at the time, which we didn't have with the twins.
--Helen
Kanga C.
>their mailing list, it would be sent to that address as well.. I havent
>registered Alyssa for anything at this address, so, I Dont know..
>
I couldn't figure out _how_ all those baby companies got our address when our
sixth was born, at home, delivered by a lay midwife who absolutely _never_
gives out names. Turns out a 'friend' had given out our address and our new
baby's in exchange for free formula! Yuk.
Btw, whenever I order something in a situation where I think the company might
end up selling my name adn address to somebody else, I give them my name, with
the initial of the company listed as my middle initial. That way, I know when
I get the junk mail which company is responsible for it.
Blessings,
Kanga
Beauty tip of the month: For *beautiful hair*, let a child run his or her
fingers through it once a day. - Audrey Hepburn
Sandra Mort
> now that we have a good camera, I hope to take a newborn portrait of our
new
> baby, but I'd also like some unique "only for the family's eyes" shots,
like
> the baby the moment he comes out!
I had a very close friend there doing photos. My favorite picture is one of
me lifting my daughter up out of myself, with her feet at MOST a few inches
away from my groin, as I pulled her out. That's how new she was.
Conveniently (and it was unplanned!) the midwife covers everything that I
might not want a stranger or parent to see! I was wearing a shirt, so the
whole photo is not only incredible, but completely modest. Well, other than
the hideous shot of my massive left thigh, but who'd look at that?
> Depending on the situation, I hope to
> have the faculties to have the camera in my hand the minute he is born,
and
> while someone holds him on my stomach, I snap the first picture, even
before
> he takes his first breath. Click! Welcome to the world!
You're going to pick up a camera to take a picture before cuddling him???
Let someone else shoot the photos and enjoy the moment. You only do it once
per baby.
S'n'E
Sandra Mort
> finally, theres two little 20 oz nurserettes..
What are those?
> I mean, heck, shes 10 months old, why
> would i want to switch her to formuyuck now??
Yup, here too! I didn't get a single coupon or sample until my baby was
almost 18 months old!!!
S'n'E
Sandra Mort
S'n'E (11/15/98)
Suzanne Dallapè
>You're going to pick up a camera to take a picture before cuddling him???
Well, if the cord happens to be short, I can't cuddle him until they cut it,
and they won't cut it until it stops pulsating, so I'll have a minute or
two. More importantly, Rio insists that HE is going to be the first to hold
the baby, so I am totally going to let him if possible. I am not the type
to need to bond within the first few seconds anyway. I have absolutely no
objections to letting others hold him, especially his big brother, before I
get my hands on him.
--S.
JDal...@att.net