bozo head-hunter
David Hayes
just saw this on misc.jobs.contract and thought i would add it into
the head-hunter bashing.
>> HELP! HELP! HELP!
>> Need a Cobalt programmer to work in Workstream Internals Immediately!
^^^^^^
>> CALL! CALL! CALL!
>> EDS
>> 15951 Los Gatos Blvd Ste 6
>> Los Gatos, CA 95032
>> (408) 358-6557 Fax 358-6560
>> Attn: John L Davis
if you missed the post, don't bother suggesting that it was just
a typo caused by the long hours john has spent helping his clients,
he typed it that way (Cobalt) in the Subject: and Keyword: fields,
as well.
i think this one is almost as funny as the "twelve-window (X11)"
post that someone shared with us a couple weeks ago.
anyone else have any more examples ??
i've had a couple head-hunters who, after i've told them about my
many years of Mac programming, have asked me if i've ever used
the Mac Toolbox !
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>>> Need a Cobalt programmer to work in Workstream Internals Immediately!
>
>>> 15951 Los Gatos Blvd Ste 6
>>> Los Gatos, CA 95032
>>> (408) 358-6557 Fax 358-6560
>>> Attn: John L Davis
Isn't this EDS of Ross Perot fame ?
>anyone else have any more examples ??
It's not as funny, but lately there have been several ads
for engineers who have kernal experience.
It's kernel, stupid. 8-)
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John A. Weeks III
> just saw this on misc.jobs.contract and thought i would add it into
> the head-hunter bashing.
I had a head hunter call me once and tell me that they had openings in
(pronouncing each letter individually) M-V-S, A-S-400, R-S-6000, and even
a few jobs in a new system called U-N-I-X. He didn't have a clue that UNIX
was not an acyronym.
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Paul Ortega
>In <MR27092.93...@macbeth.fmrco.com> mr2...@macbeth.fmrco.com writes:
>> just saw this on misc.jobs.contract and thought i would add it into
>> the head-hunter bashing.
>> > > Need a Cobalt programmer to work in Workstream Internals Immediately!
>
>I had a head hunter call me once and tell me that they had openings in
>(pronouncing each letter individually) M-V-S, A-S-400, R-S-6000, and even
>a few jobs in a new system called U-N-I-X. He didn't have a clue that UNIX
>was not an acyronym.
I've a double-header for you:
It may have been the same headhunter that called me to say, "You don't
have enough experience for this contract. It requires a background
in A-I-X and all you have background in is U-N-I-X...."
And:
"I can't send your resume to our client, because you don't have
experience programming in UUCP." -- Cathy Stokes, Butler Services
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Andrew Rogers
>>>> Need a Cobalt programmer to work in Workstream Internals Immediately!
I saw that one in Datamation a good 20 years ago - don't they ever learn?
>>>> EDS
>
>Isn't this EDS of Ross Perot fame ?
Originally, yes, but he sold it to GM years ago; his current company is
Perot Systems.
>It's not as funny, but lately there have been several ads
>for engineers who have kernal experience.
>It's kernel, stupid. 8-)
When I first started developing under Unix 10+ years ago, "kernel" *was*
spelled "kernal" in all the Unix documentation - just like "bite" was always
spelled "byte"! :-) I thought it was a newly-coined word - or at least an
intentional alternate spelling - but a couple years ago someone (I forget who,
but it was one of the early Unix developers) confessed that it was actually
a misspelling (cf. "newsfroup") that stuck. Only recently has "kernel"
re-asserted itself as the preferred spelling.
I also saw ads looking for people with "5-10 years Ada experience" before any
validated Ada compilers were commercially available! Yeah, I suppose if you
had been part of the original DOD team that developed the requirements specs
you might have had that much experience...
AWR
old fart at play
Jim Trumbull
I have to post to this thread!
jo...@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes:
> In <MR27092.93...@macbeth.fmrco.com> mr2...@macbeth.fmrco.com writes:
> > just saw this on misc.jobs.contract and thought i would add it into
> > the head-hunter bashing.
> > > > Need a Cobalt programmer to work in Workstream Internals Immediately!
^^^^^^
Yes, I know! The recruiter that made the original post probably took the order
over the phone, and not being aware of the proper spelling due to his not having
studied programming (while he was dedicating his time to learning personnel
recruitment), used a word that he was familiar with. NO, he is not looking for
a specialist in cancer treatment; he is looking for a COBOL programmer (Common
Business Oriented Language, for those who didn't know - I studied it while
enrolled at Access Ability in the Worker's Compensation Board facility in
Richmond B.C. Canada). We are not all _blessed_ with computer programming
skills, but it should be noted that of the many candidates that I have
recruited/presented/placed, I have found very few that have any previous
recruitment training.
> I had a head hunter call me once and tell me that they had openings in
> (pronouncing each letter individually) M-V-S, A-S-400, R-S-6000, and even
> a few jobs in a new system called U-N-I-X. He didn't have a clue that UNIX
> was not an acyronym.
^^^^^^^^
Heh, heh! You wouldn't see anything like that in my posts.
How about P-M-S, H-I-V, A-I-D-S, G-S-T, P-S-T ... You Head Hunter Bashers got
any previous experience?!? You people should have a look at the C-R-A-P that
I read in a substantial amount of the CVs that I receive in response to my
recruitment posts ... these people expect me to use _this_ as an introduction
to an employer?!? Not a chance! They often require spell checking, and in many
cases, complete rebuilds. Strange thing - some of these applicants are
high tech. wizards with a decade of education and another of industry
experience - with writing skills that display borderline illiteracy.
The recruiter may have been a little green in the high tech. field, and
quite possibly does as many do, conduct word searches and make matches between
vacant positions and the CVs of qualified candidates that he has on file. This
method has been proven to be very successful in making $$$ for recruiters ...
Flames please!
Best regards,
Jim Trumbull
Staffing Coordinator
Coast Personnel Services Ltd.
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Marc Kwiatkowski {Host Software-AIX}
> When I first started developing under Unix 10+ years ago, "kernel" *was*
> spelled "kernal" in all the Unix documentation - just like "bite" was always
> spelled "byte"! :-) I thought it was a newly-coined word - or at least an
> intentional alternate spelling - but a couple years ago someone (I forget who,
> but it was one of the early Unix developers) confessed that it was actually
> a misspelling (cf. "newsfroup") that stuck. Only recently has "kernel"
> re-asserted itself as the preferred spelling.
I think someone is pulling your leg. The earliest publically available
Unix documentation I've seen (AT&T Bell Laboratories Technical Journal)
spells it "kernel". From _Lecture Notes on Computer Science, No. 79,
Language Design and Programming Methodology, Springer Verlag, 1980_
D. M. Ritchie writes "...when the operating system kernel was rewritten
in C."
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Johnson
=)In article <1nilce...@travis.csd.harris.com> ma...@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Mark Ashley) writes:
=)>It's not as funny, but lately there have been several ads
=)>for engineers who have kernal experience.
=)>It's kernel, stupid. 8-)
=)
=)When I first started developing under Unix 10+ years ago, "kernel" *was*
=)spelled "kernal" in all the Unix documentation - just like "bite" was always
=)spelled "byte"! :-) I thought it was a newly-coined word - or at least an
=)intentional alternate spelling - but a couple years ago someone (I forget who,
Maybe they meant "carnal."
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Tom A Baker
>In article <1nqi4c...@calamari.hi.com>, rog...@calamari.hi.com (Andrew Rogers) writes:
>=)In article <1nilce...@travis.csd.harris.com> ma...@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Mark Ashley) writes:
>=)>It's not as funny, but lately there have been several ads
>=)>for engineers who have kernal experience.
>=)>It's kernel, stupid. 8-)
>=)
>=)When I first started developing under Unix 10+ years ago, "kernel" *was*
>=)spelled "kernal" in all the Unix documentation - just like "bite" was always
>=)spelled "byte"! :-) I thought it was a newly-coined word - or at least an
>=)intentional alternate spelling - but a couple years ago someone (I forget who,
>
>Maybe they meant "carnal."
Military work? "Colonel" experience is valuable, since they can
stop your particular tasks dead in the water.
Ciaran McHale
ort...@cactus.org (Paul Ortega) writes:
>It may have been the same headhunter that called me to say, "You don't
>have enough experience for this contract. It requires a background
>in A-I-X and all you have background in is U-N-I-X...."
>
>And:
>
>"I can't send your resume to our client, because you don't have
>experience programming in UUCP." -- Cathy Stokes, Butler Services
A local headhunting firm regularly advertises in a national newspaper
the job vacencies which it is trying to fill. Whenever they are looking
for C++ programmers they always misspell it "cplusplus".
Ciaran.
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Jim Trumbull
> In article <1993Mar12.1...@cactus.org>
> ort...@cactus.org (Paul Ortega) writes:
> >It may have been the same headhunter that called me to say, "You don't
> >have enough experience for this contract. It requires a background
> >in A-I-X and all you have background in is U-N-I-X...."
> >
> >And:
> >
> >"I can't send your resume to our client, because you don't have
> >experience programming in UUCP." -- Cathy Stokes, Butler Services
>
> A local headhunting firm regularly advertises in a national newspaper
> the job vacencies which it is trying to fill. Whenever they are looking
> for C++ programmers they always misspell it "cplusplus".
Heh, heh! I am VERY sure that they know how to spell vacancies! See above!
^
Thanks for the email heat I have received due to my previous post ... it is
really helping us thaw out in the early spring :-) Killin' me :-)
Best regards,
Jim Trumbull
Staffing Coordinator
Coast Personnel Services Ltd.
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John A. Weeks III
> Dearest Head Hunter Bashers, I have to post to this thread!
> ^^^^^^
Actually, I was making fun of the small minority of head hunters that are
former shoe sales people and future used car sales consultants. These people
tend to use the shot-gun approach and usually don't last--but they end up
giving all head hunters a bad reputation.
> We are not all _blessed_ with computer programming skills, but it should be
> noted that of the many candidates that I have recruited/presented/placed, I
> have found very few that have any previous recruitment training.
This is a really poor attitude. I have a rule that I will never deal with
a recruiter that does not have a degree in the field that I am hiring for.
If you don't have a BS in Comp Sci or Info Systems, I will not deal to you.
There is no way that you could be qualified to screen applicants for a high
tech job without having experience in said high tech field. What makes a
head hunter valuable to me is the combination of recruitment skills and the
ability evaluate and screen applicants for me. If I wanted to interview
every Tom, Dick, and Jessica that ever logged into a VAX, I would simply
put an ad in the newspaper.
Scott Barman
>>In <MR27092.93...@macbeth.fmrco.com> mr2...@macbeth.fmrco.com writes:
>>> just saw this on misc.jobs.contract and thought i would add it into
>>> the head-hunter bashing.
>>> > > Need a Cobalt programmer to work in Workstream Internals Immediately!
>>
>>I had a head hunter call me once and tell me that they had openings in
>>(pronouncing each letter individually) M-V-S, A-S-400, R-S-6000, and even
>>a few jobs in a new system called U-N-I-X. He didn't have a clue that UNIX
>>was not an acyronym.
>
>I've a double-header for you:
>
>It may have been the same headhunter that called me to say, "You don't
>have enough experience for this contract. It requires a background
>in A-I-X and all you have background in is U-N-I-X...."
>
>And:
>
>"I can't send your resume to our client, because you don't have
>experience programming in UUCP." -- Cathy Stokes, Butler Services
Or better yet, I was using X Version 10 and the company I was working
for upgraded to X Version 11. This was a big deal at the time. On my
resume I have descriptions which describe work done using X11 and have
never really changed those entries since (why not, it's correct). I
cannot tell you how many headhunter and consulting companies have seen
my resume and asked, "I thought you said you had X Windows experience
but I don't see it on your resume?" I stay away from those bozos!
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