APPLE COMPUTER
Alan Pan
COMPUTER ?
Stephen J Ripberger
>HAS ANYBODY HEAR THE RUMORS ABOUT HP OR SUNMICRO SYSTEMS IS BUYING APPLE
>COMPUTER ?
Yes, and I'm sure there are odds in Vegas on just how many companies
will have been rumoured to be eyeing Apple before it finally goes
belly-up(no offense to Mac users).
Scott W. Haney
>RWF...@prodigy.com (Alan Pan) wrote:
AAPL isn't going to go belly-up and, even if they did, Mac users
wouldn't have to worry. Expect 5-6 MILLION Macs to be sold this year.
The MacWorld expo just concluded to huge record crowds (I was there).
Macintosh market share is increasing. Plus, there are plenty of
un-tapped markets, particularly in the Far East, to sell more
Macs. The point is not to start a PC vs Mac flamewar here. Just
realize that the Macintosh market is big and growing. And, someone---
not necessarily AAPL---is going to make alot of money from it.
That AAPL does not have the ability to compete in the whole market
(particularly hardware) is becoming clear. Other companies, like Power
Computing, can apparently compete quite well. Either AAPL is a lot
smaller (software only) company (maybe with higher-end hardware
systems) or it is taken over by someone with manufacturing muscle.
I can't see what SUNW or HWP get from AAPL other than a lot of
headaches. I would think, MOT, IBM, or some Japanese company (SONY?)
might be much better fits.
Scott
Harpreet K Singh
: >RWF...@prodigy.com (Alan Pan) wrote:
: Scott
I agree, apple's core base is too loyal for apple to ever go under.
Apple can never compete head to head with wintel, however, in its
own niche markets, apple will still sell a lot of PC's.
Jaspreet Singh
Stephen J Ripberger
>: AAPL isn't going to go belly-up and, even if they did, Mac users
>: wouldn't have to worry
>I agree, apple's core base is too loyal for apple to ever go under.
>Apple can never compete head to head with wintel, however, in its
>own niche markets, apple will still sell a lot of PC's.
>Jaspreet Singh
1.Although Apple's market share has increased of late, profit margins
are WAY down.They are taking a loss for 4Q 95.
2.Although Apple has finally begun to lower its prices in an attempt
to remain viable,they are still far more expensive than a comparable
PC, especially when software is taken into account.
3.Win95, though still somewhat more complex in comparison to Sys7or 8
or whatever Apple is using now,is much closer to user-friendly status
than Win3.1 and MSFT has the money to span that tiny gap
between Apple's OS and their own in a very short period of time
(months, not years).
I have no interest in "flaming" anything.Whether one likes a product
or not does not change the nature of reality or investing.While wild
price fluctuations and rumors still make APPL a speculative
buy(better as an option),in the long-run this company is a dog. I
would not be surprised if all things Mac have dissappeared in 5
years.After all, with the pace at which technology is moving,the only
thing for certain is that most of the current players on the tech
scene will be gone in short order.
Sincerely,
Stephen J Ripberger
Edwin Huang
I'm writing this to express my own feelings on the future of Apple of
what they should do and what will probably happen.
First of all I will admit I am a Mac-centric. I own a company that
markets and sells MacOS computers. I like the product and I am confident
I will stay in business for years to come.
Apple lost $68 Million this quarter. Yeah. That sucks. It's book value is
over 100 times that. But it doesn't need to be taken over, it doesn't need
to be sold. It does, however, need to change it's direction.
With the advent of the Clones. With it's agreement to support the PowerPC
platform, Apple will see it's hardware sales continue to dwindle. The
erosion of this market is inevitable. R&D costs combined with falling
margins will have Apple on it's knees if it continues to try to be all
things to all people.
Apple needs to do either two things. it needs to form it's hardware
manufacturing division into a subsidiary or it needs to drop it entirely.
Apple's future lies with it's OS. It will be the flagship OS in the
PowerPC alliance. The OS is the crown jewels. With the claris line and
other standards such as OpenDoc, QuickDraw, QuickTime and others
Apple is still a viable contender in the OS wars.
Where Microsoft is now.
Microsoft is at a crossroads now. It has shifted it's focus from the
DOS legacy to it's new baby, WinNT. Win95 is supposed to be a transitional
OS to get their customers ready to finally wean themselves away from legacy
code.
Win95 approaches and mimics the MacOS to a large extent for ease of use.
It has the advantage of size and being dug in. It's other advantage is that
more games are made for the DOS system.
Intel has released it's p6 chip with disappointing results. To be blunt,
it bites. But with the miracles of clockchipping, the P6 will appear to
do better in benchmarks against it's predessor. The P7, however, will
be a RISC chip, not a SISC chip... It is also questionable whether the
P7 will support X86 microcode.
With both the Intel and Microsoft in the midst of transition in the next
few years. Both going to products that may be for the first time not
backwardly compatible, do not be sure that Wintel will remain the dominant
OS.
Dos/Windows does have an 80% of the computer market and the machines sold
are generally cheaper than the Mac.
However,
The PowerPC chip is a much faster chip than the Pentium or Pentium Pro.
Floating point operations are significantly more efficient which is why
the MacOS is used for inexpensive rendering and graphics work.
MacOS is also the 2nd most popular OS for Internet servers after Sun.
The MacOS hardware standards are more oriented towards Workstations and
multi-tasking and multi-threaded operations. (SCSI-drivers, RISC-Chips,
Built in Ethernet/Geoport, Postscript)
Mac OS is the standard in terms of graphic artists. Better resolution
color definition and higher graphic standards vs. Greatest Common Factor
video standards of windows.
Mac OS also dominates the education market and commands more brand loyalty
than do PCs. This is a statistic of J.D. Powers and Associates.
Put the two together and you do have a possible and probable future.
Software:
It is a fact that there is more software for the Wintel platform than there
is for the MacOS. However, the percentage is not 8 to 1 as with market share.
There are mor programs for the MacOS than there are for the Win95, and WinNT,
separately.
There are perhaps 2-3 times as many Windows programs. Although this includes
software that just isn't needed on the Mac, such as Network servers,
Program Uninstallers, Audioplayers, etc...
The most popular and useful programs are usually multi-platform. One lacks
variety, but never utility as programs are generally separated into category
and one will always be able to find a word processor, spreadsheet, database
manager, finance, and internet.
One major weakness in the Mac Market are games. Most games are not ported to
the Macintosh. There are easily 20 games on the PC for ever one on the Mac.
And the games that are ported, only half of them do well. Manytimes the
software company is burned on the port. This is partially because most
DOS games are done in 320*200 or 640*480 on 256color resolution. Such
video quality is usually unacceptable by Mac standards.
Games that do make decent transition, such as: Descent, Marathon, DarkForces,
WingCommander to name a few have much better video and audio quality than
do Pcs.
Also, MacOS is being used as a videogame player to be marketed by Bandai.
Bandai is a major Japanese toy and video game software maker. Powered by
a PowerPC 603 chip, the "Pippin" will be one of the first "Internet boxes
for under $500" on the market for the public who wants WWW access, game
playing, and home shopping at an affordable price. All Pippin games will
run on MACOS machines.
The 3DO, M2 technology licensed by Panasonic is also based on technology
made by the PowerPC project. Sega has just licensed the m2 hardware. While
this does not affect Apple directly, it does raise issues of whether games
may be compatible.
It is questionable if games do make a difference. Lord knows, when one
walks into a software store, most of the shelves are full of games.
However, being game machines did not save the c-64, the amiga, or the
Apple ][.
After all of this, did I have a point to make? Or am I just an Apple
bigot spewing?
I am first and foremost an entrepeneur and businessman. My present venture
involves Macproducts almost exclusively. The reason why I am in the business
is because I see a future for this operating system. There are setbacks.
Major ones. But it is way too early to count Apple out. If the future is
networking and computers for the everyman, the MacOS is objectively the best
product for networking and for non-computer hobbiests bar none.
-Edwin Huang
-CEO, Mayan Systems, Inc
Alex Minh-Hon Chau
> 1.Although Apple's market share has increased of late, profit margins
> are WAY down.They are taking a loss for 4Q 95.
> 2.Although Apple has finally begun to lower its prices in an attempt
> to remain viable,they are still far more expensive than a comparable
> PC, especially when software is taken into account.
When was the last time you went shopping? :)
> 3.Win95, though still somewhat more complex in comparison to Sys7or 8
> or whatever Apple is using now,is much closer to user-friendly status
> than Win3.1 and MSFT has the money to span that tiny gap
> between Apple's OS and their own in a very short period of time
> (months, not years).
Sure... sure, Microsoft this, Microsoft that... although I use Macintosh
and Windows 95... I like Macintosh better... however, I see a great
potential for Microsoft... their ability to dominate the market... how do
we know that Microsoft will not buy Apple out? They can transfer
ownership of the OS and then resell it? :) Hehehe..
>
> I have no interest in "flaming" anything.Whether one likes a product
> or not does not change the nature of reality or investing.While wild
> price fluctuations and rumors still make APPL a speculative
> buy(better as an option),in the long-run this company is a dog. I
> would not be surprised if all things Mac have dissappeared in 5
> years.After all, with the pace at which technology is moving,the only
> thing for certain is that most of the current players on the tech
> scene will be gone in short order.
> Sincerely,
> Stephen J Ripberger
Stephen... very true... however, do you know what will happen in 5 years
time? Do you know how fast the computer industry is growing? Sure sure,
the Macintosh may disappear, but AAPL won't... my point... the Pentium
will disappear from the market like the 286 did... but Intel is still
around, and it will be around... anyone who establishes itself in the
market, with name recognition and all will survive towards the next
century... AAPL has been around since the 60's... I don't see why it
can't live longer... I consider the company a blue chip... it's a pretty
speculative stock, but it hasn't moved much in either direction... the
fact that it hasn't moved down means it's not a dead company... the fact
that it hasn't moved up much remains a mystery... or actually because of
AAPL's management... let Gates run the company, how far will the stock
bump? Ah... you tell me.
Jacobs
Careful study will show some industries have little alternative but to buy Mac.
Much is being said on this newsgroup about the demise of Apple. It may be
so. But the customer base is much less fickle and their alternatives are
more few than all the "analysts" would have you know. (since they don't.)
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Freestyle Mark Of The Unicorn 1994
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Metro OSC 1994
Mosaic Mark Of The Unicorn 1993
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PlainTalk Apple 1994
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Appletalk Internet Router Apple 1993
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CommuniGate Stalker 1995
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EMailer Claris 1995
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Front Office Pleiades Research Corp. 1995
GraceLAN Server Manager Saber Software
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HoloGate Information Access 1995
Internet Config Peter Lewis 1994
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PowerBook DOS Companion Apple 1993
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Runway Run
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Database
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Butler Every Ware Development Corp. 1995
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Database Helix Express Helix 1993
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Panorama Provue 1992
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Phyla Mainstay 1994
Desktop Publishing
Aldus Home Publisher Adobe 1993
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Classroom Publisher Staz 1995
INposition DK&A 1995
IslandTrapper Island Graphics Corp. 1994
Let'er RIP Productive Intelligence 1994
Letraset Envelopes Letraset USA 1995
Multi-Ad Ad Builder Multi Ad 1994
Multi-Ad CAMS 3 Multi Ad 1994
Multi-Ad Creator Multi Ad 1993
Multi-Ad Scan Multi Ad 1994
Multi-Ad Search Multi Ad
PhotoFlash Apple 1994
PrintTools XT Datastream Imaging 1995
PS Express Productive Intelligence 1995
Quark Connect Quark 1994
Quark Publishing System Quark 1994
Quark Xpress Passport Quark 1994
QuarkPrint Quark 1994
Ready, Set, Go 6.0 Manhattan Graphics 1994
Ready, Set, Go 7.0 GX Manhattan Graphics 1995
TypeBook Rascal 1994
Education
Ace Publisher MindPlay 1995
Action Fraction FunHouse Orange Cherry/New Media Schoolhouse
Aesopolis Quantum Leap Technologies 1993
Amazing Animation Claris 1994
Beauty and the Beast Orange Cherry/New Media Schoolhouse
Best of Herman Melville Queue
Best of Mark Twain Queue
Best of Washington Irving Queue
Biology Tutor MindPlay
Blocks in Motion Don Johnston Inc. 1995
Bobbing Gradebook Bobbing Software 1995
Building Vocabulary Skills Queue
Calculus TL/II Brooks/Cole 1993
Chamber Works OnScreen Science 1994
Chemistry Tutor MindPlay
Claire: The Personal Music Coach Opcode Interactive 1994
Complete Peter Leroy Voyager
Continent Explorer II Pierian Spring Software 1995
Curious George Learns the Alphabet Queue 1993
Daisy's Castle Great Wave
DaisyQuest Great Wave
Developing Writing Skills Queue
Digital Campus Pierian Spring Software 1994
Digital Chisel Pierian Spring Software 1994
DinoSource Queue
Dissections Digital Imaging Associates 1994
DissectionWorks Science Works 1995
Dungeons of Peril Orange Cherry/New Media Schoolhouse
Earth Explorer Apple 1995
Easy Book Chickadee 1994
Easy Grade Pro Orbis Software 1995
ElectroDog First Reader and Writer Orange Cherry/New Media Schoolhouse
Fire and Ice Queue
First Person: Donald Norman Voyager
Fractionoids MindPlay
Grady Profile Aurbach and Associates 1991
GraphPlay Brooks/Cole 1993
Heroic Tales: Theseus Queue
Hip Physics Tom Snyder Productions 1994
Incredible Coloring Kit Creative Pursuits 1994
Interactive Geography Pierian Spring Software 1995
JoJos Reading Circus MindPlay
Mastering English Grammar Queue
Match Race WizardWorks/MacSoft
Math Arcade Games Orange Cherry/New Media Schoolhouse
Math Word Problems Orange Cherry/New Media Schoolhouse
Media Weaver The Humanities Software 1995
Microscope Nature Explorer Orange Cherry/New Media Schoolhouse
Microscopy Digital Imaging Associates 1994
MPJ Astro Microprojects 1995
Numbers & Counting WizardWorks/MacSoft 1994
Perseus Project Yale University Press 1992
Personal Communicator Michigan State University 1995
Physics Tutor MindPlay
Pink Pete's ABCs Orange Cherry/New Media Schoolhouse
Pink Pete's Weather Science Orange Cherry/New Media Schoolhouse
Poe's Tales of Terror Queue
Prime Suspect Orange Cherry/New Media Schoolhouse
Prime-mates MindPlay
Rikki-Tikki-Tavi Queue
Salt of the Earth Voyager
Spelunx & The Caves Of Mr. Suedo Broderbund
SuperStar Science Orange Cherry/New Media Schoolhouse SureMath SureMath
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Talking Academic Quiz Kid Orange Cherry/New Media Schoolhouse
Talking First Mac Dinosaur Reader Orange Cherry/New Media Schoolhouse
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Talking First Mac Writer Orange Cherry/New Media Schoolhouse
Talking Mac Classroom Orange Cherry/New Media Schoolhouse
Talking USA Map Orange Cherry/New Media Schoolhouse
Talking Using Money and Making Change Orange Cherry/New Media
Schoolhouse
Talking Vocabulary Builders Orange Cherry/New Media Schoolhouse
The Graph Club Tom Snyder Productions 1995
The Velveteen Rabbit Queue
Voyager II: Dynamic Sky Sim Carina 1994
Who Built America Voyager
Wind in the Willows Orange Cherry/New Media Schoolhouse
WordHound MindPlay
World Of Words Randolph Educational Services 1994
Entertainment
3 in Three Focus Enhancements 1991
All My Hummingbirds Have Alibis Voyager
Apeiron Ambrosia Software 1995
Ares Changeling
Astro Chase 3D Interplay/MacPlay 1994
Avatar Changeling 1995
Better Dead Educorp 1995
Bloopers Binary Software 1993
Bomber 2 Chaos Tech/Deadly Games 1993
Checkmate Interplay/MacPlay 1993
Chess WizardWorks/MacSoft
Chiral Ambrosia Software 1994
Cosmic Osmo Cyan 1994
Cosmology Of Kyoto Yano Electric 1994
Crystal Crazy Casady & Greene 1993
Crystal Quest WizardWorks/MacSoft 1988
Cyberblast Innerprise
Dark Castle Delta Tao Software
Defender Digital Eclipse 1994
Deliverance Focus Enhancements 1994
Eat My Photons Eccentric Software 1994
Erik's Ultimate Solitaire Delta Tao Software
F/A-18 Hornet Graphic Simulations 1993
Ferrari Grand Prix Alliance Interactive 1994
Firefall Arcade Focus Enhancements 1993
Glider Pro Casady & Greene 1994
If Monks Had Macs Voyager 1994
Ishido Interplay/MacPlay 1994
Jigsaw Deluxe LandWare 1994
Joust Digital Eclipse 1994
Letter Drop Centron 1994
Loony Labyrinth Pinball StarPlay 1994
Maelstrom Ambrosia Software 1994
Marathon Bungie 1994
Marathon II: Durandal Bungie 1995
Minotaur Bungie 1992
Mission Starlight WizardWorks/MacSoft 1993
Moriarty's Return Mysterium Tremendum 1994
New Voices/New Visions 1994 Voyager 1995
Operation Desert Storm Bungie 1991
P51 Mustang Alliance Interactive
Pararena WizardWorks/MacSoft 1993
Pathways Into Darkness Bungie 1993
Pax Imperia Changeling 1993
Pegleg Changeling 1994
Poker Squares Solitaire WizardWorks/MacSoft 1994
Power Pete Interplay/MacPlay 1995
Prince of Destruction Andrew Barry, et al 1994
Puppet Motel Voyager 1995
Realmz Tim Phillips, Fantasoft 1995
Robotron Digital Eclipse 1994
Sensory Overload Reality Bytes 1994
Shining Flower Voyager
Sky Shadow WizardWorks/MacSoft 1990
Sound Toy Voyager
Space Madness Changeling
Spaceward Ho! Delta Tao Software
Spaceway 2000 Casady & Greene 1994
Spin Doctor Callisto 1993
Strategic Conquest Delta Tao Software 1992
Strategic Leap WizardWorks/MacSoft 1994
Sumo WizardWorks/MacSoft 1994
Super Maze Wars Callisto 1993
Super Mines Callisto 1994
Surgeon 3: The Brain Ism 1994
The Manhole Masterpiece Edition Cyan 1993
This is Spinal Tap Voyager 1995
Tickeo Optimum Resources 1994
Troubled Souls WizardWorks/MacSoft 1994
Truths and Fictions Voyager 1995
U-Boat Chaos Tech/Deadly Games 1994
Video Poker WizardWorks/MacSoft 1994
ZOA Casady & Greene 1993
Finance
Bill-It 4 Shopkeeper 1994
Checkwriter Pro Aatrix 1993
Flexware General Ledger State Of The Art 1994
Hi! Finance Aatrix 1993
Home Finance Tools WizardWorks/MacSoft 1994
Mac P&L State Of The Art 1993
Multiledger Checkmark 1994
OnAccount White Crow 1994
PayCheck Aatrix 1993
Payroll Aatrix 1994
Shopkeeper Plus Shopkeeper 1994
Ultimate Payroll Aatrix 1994
WindowWatch ASD 1993
Graphics
3DXT Strata 1995
Adobe After Effects Adobe 1994
Adobe Dimensions Adobe 1994
Adobe ScreenReady Adobe 1995
Alaras Aperatura Alaras Corp. 1995
Aldus CheckList Adobe 1993
Aldus PressWise Adobe 1994
Aldus SuperPaint Adobe 1993
Aldus Trapmaker Addition
For Pagemaker Adobe 1994
Alien Skin Textureshop Virtus 1994
Apprentice Delta Tao Software 1994
Art Works Deneba 1993
Automask The Human Software 1995
Azimuth Graphsoft 1994
Batch It! Gryphon 1994
Blueprint Graphsoft 1993
CA-Cricket Draw III Computer Associates 1995
CA-Cricket Graph III Computer Associates 1995
CADMover Kandu 1994
Cheshire Abbott 1994
ChromaPoint Second Glance
Cinemation Vividus 1994
Cirrus Powerpro Canto 1995
ClarisDraw Claris 1994
ClarisImpact Claris 1994
Color Compass Praxisoft 1995
Color It MicroFrontier 1994
Color MacCheese Delta Tao Software 1992
ColorDrive Pantone 1994
Colorize DS Design 1995
ColorSynergy Candela
Colorton Light Source 1995
Debabelizer Lite Equilibrium 1994
Debabelizer Toolbox Equilibrium 1994
DesignWorkshop Artifice 1994
DeskPaint/Desk Draw Zedcor 1994
Dynamic Effects Vol.1 Single Gryphon 1994
ElectricImage Animation System 2.1 Electric Image 1993
Expert Color Paint Expert Software 1994
Expert Draw Expert Software 1994
Exposure Quark 1995
Graphics Exposure Pro Baseline 1991
Face It Lowly Apprentice 1995
Formz Autodessys
Full Pixel Search Avian Systems 1995
GAIA Avian Systems 1995
GraphicConverter Thorsten Lemke 1994
ICEfields Isis Imaging 1995
Imaxis SESI 1994
ImportAccess Designed Access
Infini-D Specular 1994
Infinite FX BeInfinite 1995
Informed Designer Shana 1993
Informed Manager Shana 1993
Instant Replay Strata 1994
Intellihance GS/R6B/CMYK DPA Software 1995
Intellihance Pro DPA Software 1995
Jag II Ray Dream 1994
Kaleidoscope Abbott 1994
Kitchen Sink Lowly Apprentice 1995
Kodak Create-It Kodak 1994
KPT Bryce MetaTools 1994
KPT Vector Effects MetaTools 1995
LaserSepsPro Second Glance
LightningDraw GX Lari Software 1995
Live Picture MetaTools 1995
Logomotion Specular 1994
Macinteriors Microspot 1994
Media 100 Data Translation 1994
Mediapaint Strata 1995
Medley The Human Software 1995
Metaflo The Valis Group 1994
Minicad Graphsoft 1994
ModelShop Electric Cafe 1995
Monet Delta Tao Software 1992
Movieflo' The Valis Group 1994
mPower Multimedia Design 1995
Multiclip Pro Olduvai 1994
Open Media Framework
Interchange Toolkit (OMF) Avid 1993
Paint Alchemy Xaos 1994
PhotoExpress Datastream Imaging 1994
PhotoFix Microspot 1994
PhotoFusion Ultimatte 1995
PhotoImpress Purup Electronics 1995
PhotoMaker WizardWorks 1995
PhotoShow LandWare 1995
PhotoSpot Second Glance
Pixar Showplace Pixar 1995
PixelPaint Pro Pixel Resources 1995
Pixelputty Solo The Valis Group 1994
Pointillist Pictor Grafx 1994
Poser Fractal Design 1995
Posterworks Sh Pierce & Co 1994
PowerCADD Engineered Software 1995
Presenting Now Ism 1993
Prism Delta Tao Software 1994
Professional Presenter Visual Information 1995
PROmotion Motion Works 1995
Quick Cards Connectix 1995
QuickFlix Radius/VideoFusion 1994
QuickTime Starter Kit Apple
Radius Edit Radius 1995
Scale It Lowly Apprentice 1995
ScanPrepPro 2.0.2 Image Xpress 1995
ScanTastic ps Second Glance 1995
Screenshot Baseline 1994
Sculpt 4.0 Byte-by-Byte 1995
SG Relief Lips Enterprise 1995
SG Toolbox 1 Lips Enterprise 1995
SG Toolbox 2 Lips Enterprise 1995
Sketch Alias 1993
Special Delivery 2.1 Interactive Media Corp. 1994
Specular Collage Specular 1994
Specular Texturescape Specular 1994
Squizz! The Human Software 1995
Storyboard Artist PowerProduction Software 1995
StrataStudio Pro Strata 1994
StrataType 3D Strata 1993
Studio Recorder Pipeline Digital 1995
Swivel 3D Pro Macromedia 1992
SXetch Pad Datastream Imaging 1993
Tailor FirstClass NV
Terrazzo Xaos 1994
TextureMaker Adobe 1994
Tracer ScanVec 1995
TypeCaster Xaos 1995
Typestyler Broderbund 1991
Video Paint Olduvai 1991
VideoFusion Radius/VideoFusion 1994
VideoShop Avid 1993
ViewBMP Kandu 1995
Virtual 3D Strata 1993
Vision 3D Strata 1995
Languages
Apple Media Tool Apple 1994
AppMaker Bowers Development 1994
BBEdit Bare Bones Software 1995
C/C++ SDK for Power Macintosh Absoft 1994
Code Warrior 5 Bronze Metrowerks 1994
Code Warrior 5 Gold Metrowerks 1994
Dream Factory Cyberflix 1995
Future Basic 1.0.2 Zedcor 1994
HyperCard Apple
HyperGASP Caliban Mindware 1995
Object Logo Paradigm Software, Inc. 1992
PEAK Digital Imaging Associates 1995
PG:PRO Staz 1994
SuperCard Allegiant Technologies, Inc. 1991
Symantec C++ 8.0 Symantec 1995
Think C Symantec 1993
Think Pascal Symantec
Think Reference Symantec 1992
XPlain XPlain Corp 1995
Lifestyle
Mangia! Upstill 1994
Route 66 Route 66 1994
Rune Hilda Mind Media 1995
World Bird Brain Ideaform 1995
Miscellaneous
3x5 Mactoolkit 1994
Basemap Geopoint 1994
Data Desk Data Description 1994
Exploring Psychological Disorders Brooks/Cole 1995
Igor Pro Wavemetrics 1994
In/Out The Prairie Group 1993
Informed Tracker Shana 1995
Kaleidagraph Synergy 1993
Label Press Synex 1994
MacBarCoda Computalabel 1994
MacEnvelope Synex 1991
Macformation Professional Computer Forms
Macintosh System 7.x Apple 1994
MacPhase The Otter Solution 1995
MacProject Pro Claris 1993
MacX Apple
Marco Polo Mainstay 1993
Masterlist CD DigiDesign 1994
NIH Image Wayne Rasband 1993
PaperPower Piptel 1995
Poweragent Southbeach 1994
Property Manager Business Edge 1995
Real Estate Edge Business Edge 1994
StatView Abacus Concepts 1995
SuperANOVA Abacus Concepts 1991
SuperScope II GW Instruments 1995
Swing Shift Swing Shift Systems 1995
Territory Manager Software Solutions 1994
TimeLog Coral Research 1994
Tree 2D Onyx Computing 1995
Zipquest Pro Montage 1994
Other Utility
AppleScript Apple 1994
At Ease Apple 1992
At Ease for Workgroups Apple 1994
AutoLaser Secure Design 1994
Bootp Namer Secure Design 1995
Calcupad Tuesday
Can Opener 2.0 Abbott 1993
Captivate Mainstay 1995
CD Directory Insignia 1994
Chinese Language Kit Apple 1993
Davka After Dark Davka Corp. 1993
Empower 5.0 Magna 1995
Empower Professional 5.0 Magna 1995
Empower Remote Magna 1993
FaceSpan Software Designs Unlimited 1995
File Duo ASD 1993
FilterTop TopSoft, Inc. 1995
Findswell Working Software 1994
Flipbook Sh Pierce & Co 1994
Fossil Finder Tuesday 1995
Frontier UserLand 1994
Help! Teknosys 1992
Japanese Language Kit Apple 1994
Lind Battery Utilities Lind Electronics 1995
Lookup Working Software 1994
Mac Control BDW Software 1995
Macintosh PC Exchange Apple
Offline SNA 1994
On Location ON Technology 1993
OneClick Westcode Software 1995
Open Sesame! Charles River 1994
PBtools VST Power 1994
Peace of Mind Diagsoft 1995
Personal Diagnostics Apple 1994
PortShare Pro Stalker 1995
Power Utilities Alsoft 1992
Quick N'Easy Now Software 1995
Rapid CD Insignia 1994
Remus Trillium 1994
RescueText Abbott 1994
Screenamania Quantum Leap Technologies
Scripter Main Event Software 1995
SCSIShare Stalker 1995
Snapz Ambrosia Software 1994
Soft PC Insignia 1993
Soft PC Pro Insignia 1993
Soft Windows Insignia 1994
Status*Mac ON Technology 1994
Stuff It Deluxe Aladdin 1994
T-Script Teletypesetting 1994
Toner Tuner Working Software 1993
ultraSecure usrEZ Software 1995
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PIM
Arrange Common Knowledge 1994
Claris Organizer Claris 1994
Clientrac Whiskey Hill 1994
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Dateview The Prairie Group 1994
Day-To-Day Calendar Portfolio 1994
Fastpace Instant Contact Attain 1994
First Things First First Things First Software 1993
First Things First Proactive First Things First Software 1994
Full Contact Pitch Software 1994
Guy Friday Matthew Klein 1995
In Control Attain 1992
In Touch The Prairie Group 1993
InfoDepot Chena 1994
MacPhoneBook Synex 1994
Now Contact Now Software 1993
ToDo List LandWare 1995
Your World! Mind Media 1995
System Utility
Access PC Insignia 1993
Adobe Super ATM Adobe 1993
Adobe Type Reunion Adobe 1990
Aldus Print Central Adobe 1994
Anubis Formatter CharisMac 1994
CD AllCache CharisMac 1994
CD AutoCache CharisMac 1994
CD-ROM SCSI Toolkit FWB 1994
ClickChange Dubl-Click 1994
ColorSwitch Ambrosia Software 1994
Conflict Catcher II Casady & Greene 1994
Desktop Tools Aladdin 1995
Disk Express II Alsoft
DiskDoubler Pro Symantec 1994
Diskfit Direct Dantz 1993
Diskfit Pro Dantz 1993
DiskGuard ASD 1994
DOS Mounter Software Architects 1994
DragStrip Natural Intelligence 1995
Drive7 Casa Blanca Works
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Drivetech Micromat 1994
Eclipse Ambrosia Software 1994
FileGuard ASD 1993
FindAll Abbott 1993
Hard Disk Toolkit FWB 1994
Hard Disk Toolkit Personal Edition FWB 1994
HoverBar Guy Fullerton 1995
I Like Icon Baseline 1993
Icon 7 Focus Enhancements 1993
Icon Artist Sunstar 1995
Icon It! Pro Olduvai 1994
Icon Mania Dubl-Click 1994
Inline Sync Focus Enhancements 1993
Interprint Intercon Systems 1994
MacEKG 3 Micromat 1993
Master Juggler Alsoft
Maxima Connectix 1993
Menufonts Dubl-Click 1993
Night Watch II Kent Marsh 1993
Now Utilities Now Software 1994
Optimem Jump Development 1994
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Powerbook Utilities Connectix 1992
Print Tools Peirce 1994
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Redux Deluxe Focus Enhancements 1994
Retrospect Dantz 1994
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Scrap-It Pro John V. Holder 1995
SCSI Director Transoft 1995
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SpeedDoubler Connectix 1995
Square One Binary Software 1993
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Stylescript Gdt Softworks 1994
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Underware Screen Saver Bit Jugglers 1994
Virtual Connectix 1994
VirtualDisk Continuum 1994
Wiz Tools ASD 1993
WonderPrint Delta Tao Software 1993
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Word Processing
Bookends Pro Westing Software 1995
Final Draft Mactoolkit 1994
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Thunder 7 Baseline 1993
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WorldWrite 3.0 WorldSoft 1995
WriteNow Softkey 1993
Nickolai B. Ogurtsov
<huge snip...>
: I am first and foremost an entrepeneur and businessman. My present venture
: involves Macproducts almost exclusively. The reason why I am in the business
: is because I see a future for this operating system. There are setbacks.
: Major ones. But it is way too early to count Apple out. If the future is
: networking and computers for the everyman, the MacOS is objectively the best
: product for networking and for non-computer hobbiests bar none.
I agree with your analysis for the most part. Mac and MacOS are
excellent products, no doubt of that. However, as we see from the ever
shrinking market share of Mac products, superior quality doesn't
necessarily mean success in business. Awhile back many claimed that
Beta was superior to "the other standard" and where's Beta now?
I heard today on CNBC that Apple is considering closing its low-end
Mac business and concentrating on high-end workstation-like Macs.
Well, that's fine except that it means two things: first, they will
lose a huge number of customers who simply want a cheap Mac for their
home and second it means an almost direct competition with Sun and
perhaps SGI. Can they survive this competition? Maybe, maybe not. But
it certainly isn't going to be an easy transition. Talking about
winning over some Wintel customers at such a time is a bit of wishful
thinking to say the least (IMHO).
So, while I respect your views on the future of Apple, I don't
share them for the reasons above. Their stock will probably continue
falling for quite some time still (especially with the current rumors
of more losses in the first quarter of '96).
Nick O.
Disclaimer: I don't hold neither long nor short position in AAPL.
The Tick
Edwin Huang (dir...@CMU.EDU) wrote:
(snip)
: One major weakness in the Mac Market are games. Most games are not ported to
: the Macintosh. There are easily 20 games on the PC for ever one on the Mac.
: And the games that are ported, only half of them do well. Manytimes the
: It is questionable if games do make a difference. Lord knows, when one
: walks into a software store, most of the shelves are full of games.
In my mind, there is no question because of the anecdotal evidence
that you just gave. Not only do I think games are important, but seeing
shelves upon shelves of software for one computer and not the Mac makes a
strong impression on new or even experienced computer buyers. According to
the SPA, entertainment /learning software shipments in North America was at
about $600 million at 1994 which is about double that of 93.
Apple's reluctance to help game makers out is, IMO, one of their
biggest mistakes ever, and a mistake that rarely recieves as much
criticism as it deserves. "Ah, they're just games." Right. They also
take up at least half the software spaces in any software dealer.
The situation is getting better, but it is a little late in the game.
: However, being game machines did not save the c-64, the amiga, or the
: Apple ][.
True. An important factor, but not the only. Then again,
perhaps games kept these computers around longer than they deserved (with
the exception of the Amiga).
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>On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, Stephen J Ripberger wrote:
>> 1.Although Apple's market share has increased of late, profit margins
>> are WAY down.They are taking a loss for 4Q 95.
AAPL can't do the expensive R&D required to support the Macintosh and
still compete with PC companies whose notion of R&D is figuring out
the right color to make the box.
>> 2.Although Apple has finally begun to lower its prices in an attempt
>> to remain viable,they are still far more expensive than a comparable
>> PC, especially when software is taken into account.
>When was the last time you went shopping? :)
Agreed. The Mac price premium has pretty much disappeared.
>> 3.Win95, though still somewhat more complex in comparison to Sys7or 8
>> or whatever Apple is using now,is much closer to user-friendly status
>> than Win3.1 and MSFT has the money to span that tiny gap
>> between Apple's OS and their own in a very short period of time
>> (months, not years).
Even Bill Gates admits that the MacOS is better. The goals of
Windows95 were to (1) improve the interface for Windows users and (2)
funnel people to the "real" Microsoft OS, Windows NT. By all accounts,
they've done very well with these goals and should be congratulated.
Also, AAPL is moving forward as well with Copeland, whih looks pretty
slick. AAPL is a bit dense sometimes but they know they have to keep
a head of MSFT, and there is every reason to think they will succeed.
>Sure... sure, Microsoft this, Microsoft that... although I use Macintosh
>and Windows 95... I like Macintosh better... however, I see a great
>potential for Microsoft... their ability to dominate the market... how do
>we know that Microsoft will not buy Apple out? They can transfer
>ownership of the OS and then resell it? :) Hehehe..
MSFT is where it is at because they don't have to worry about hardware.
>>
>> I have no interest in "flaming" anything.Whether one likes a product
>> or not does not change the nature of reality or investing.While wild
>> price fluctuations and rumors still make APPL a speculative
>> buy(better as an option),in the long-run this company is a dog. I
As it is now organized, this is true. Dumping Spindler, encouraging the
clone market, and getting a strong manufacturing partner could change
things. OTOH, AAPL does have a habit of fumbling the ball on the 6 inch
line...
>> would not be surprised if all things Mac have dissappeared in 5
>> years.
Stephan, I'll bet you $100 that this doesn't happen. They expect to
sell 5-6 MILLION Macintoshes this year. And, there is an installed
base of 20+ million. Do you seriously think this will go to zero by
the year 2000? AAPL owns several important niches that they will just
plain not lose. Also, while the battle for corporate acceptance is
pretty much over in the US, Wintel dominance in the rest of world is
not assured. Look, the Macintosh survived when it was an over-priced,
under-powered piece of junk (remembers an early Mac 128 owner). Now,
Macs are rougly competitive price and performance wise. They aren't
going away. Live with it.
Scott
Larry C Chow
Macintosh owner and hold shares in the company. Out of the people I
know, there are a few die hard PC supports but there are just as
many Apple supporters. I know several people who will be purchasing
Macs in the next month (including myself) The prices have come down
so much in the last few months. They are defintely competative.
Anyways, I really like the direction that the Apple clones are
going. Check out the information at the Power Computing homepage.
http://www.powercc.com/ Very impressive. The prices are great. I
see Apple as a good investment at this point. As any investment
there is some degree of risk, but I like the upside of this stock.
Larry
Jon Udell
> : the Macintosh. There are easily 20 games on the PC for ever one on the Mac.
> : And the games that are ported, only half of them do well. Manytimes the
> : It is questionable if games do make a difference. Lord knows, when one
> : walks into a software store, most of the shelves are full of games.
> In my mind, there is no question because of the anecdotal evidence
> that you just gave. Not only do I think games are important, but seeing
> shelves upon shelves of software for one computer and not the Mac makes a
> strong impression on new or even experienced computer buyers. According to
> the SPA, entertainment /learning software shipments in North America was at
> about $600 million at 1994 which is about double that of 93.
> Apple's reluctance to help game makers out is, IMO, one of their
> biggest mistakes ever, and a mistake that rarely recieves as much
> criticism as it deserves. "Ah, they're just games." Right. They also
> take up at least half the software spaces in any software dealer.
I find this all quite humerous, as one of the reasons I hear cited
most often for businesses purchasing PCs instead of Macs is that the
Mac is "just a game machine". (No, I don't agree with that statement.)
--Jon
fff
Haney) wrote:
> sj...@ix.netcom.com (Stephen J Ripberger) writes:
>
> >RWF...@prodigy.com (Alan Pan) wrote:
>
> >>HAS ANYBODY HEAR THE RUMORS ABOUT HP OR SUNMICRO SYSTEMS IS BUYING APPLE
> >>COMPUTER ?
>
> >Yes, and I'm sure there are odds in Vegas on just how many companies
> >will have been rumoured to be eyeing Apple before it finally goes
> >belly-up(no offense to Mac users).
>
> AAPL isn't going to go belly-up and, even if they did, Mac users
> wouldn't have to worry. Expect 5-6 MILLION Macs to be sold this year.
> The MacWorld expo just concluded to huge record crowds (I was there).
> Macintosh market share is increasing. Plus, there are plenty of
> un-tapped markets, particularly in the Far East, to sell more
> Macs. The point is not to start a PC vs Mac flamewar here. Just
> realize that the Macintosh market is big and growing. And, someone---
> not necessarily AAPL---is going to make alot of money from it.
>
> That AAPL does not have the ability to compete in the whole market
> (particularly hardware) is becoming clear. Other companies, like Power
> Computing, can apparently compete quite well. Either AAPL is a lot
> smaller (software only) company (maybe with higher-end hardware
> systems) or it is taken over by someone with manufacturing muscle.
>
> I can't see what SUNW or HWP get from AAPL other than a lot of
> headaches. I would think, MOT, IBM, or some Japanese company (SONY?)
> might be much better fits.
>
> Scott
Although I don't particularly want Apple to be bought, I do think Sun
Mirco would be my preferred choice. They don't have any direct competition
like IBM has, and they can take Copland to new hights, as well as
incorporating several technologies into Solaris. If this were to happen, I
see Solaris and MacOS being sold in their respective markets.
David Dutkowski
: I agree, apple's core base is too loyal for apple to ever go under.
I remember when we said the same thing about Commodore...
Alex Minh-Hon Chau
: Alex Minh-Hon Chau <amh...@acs.ucalgary.ca> wrote:
: >> Stephen J Ripberger
: >Stephen... very true... however, do you know what will happen in 5 years
: >time? Do you know how fast the computer industry is growing? Sure sure,
: >the Macintosh may disappear, but AAPL won't... my point... the Pentium
: >will disappear from the market like the 286 did... but Intel is still
: >around, and it will be around... anyone who establishes itself in the
: The 286 didn't "disappear" from anywhere. It lives on in the 386, 486,
: Pentium, Pentium Pro, etc. It's all an evolutionary game plan that
And so will the Macintosh... why should it die? I like UNIX the
best, but my second choice would be the Macintosh... not
Windows... let's see here, the Macintosh has already done much of
it's evolution... it is now at a point where it's ready for the
future... Windows needs improvement still... What one needs to
win in the market is good managment and marketting... that's what
Apple needs... the stocks are still stable and has ways to
go... I'm willing to bet any money that Apple's chances of
bankruptcy are 0%... it will be purchased out first before
anything... besides look at their book value... you think they
can go bankrupt with a lot of emergency money for bad times like this?
: works when you have a product which is selling, generation after
: generation. Apple? What a shame. They had the best small computer
Apple's been around since the middle of the century...
: design: hardware, software and user friendliness. Looks like they blew
: it.
Yes, yes... see, compact design is no longer a popular choice
among end-users... if Steve Jobs was still C. E. O. you would
still see a black and white Macintosh... if colour and the
powerpc architecture, etc. was never introduced into the line,
I'd be embarrassed to have a Macintosh... in fact, I would
support every argument against the Macintosh... we're not talking
about a hardware problem here... we're talking about a marketting
problem... AAPL needs to gain market share... frankly, I don't
see how they'll do that without direct competition to
Microsoft... move a great deal of ROM code into the operating
system and port it over for the INTEL architecture... When that
day comes... I'll be probably saying Hi to you from the
C. E. O. seat and AAPL's stock price will be higher than
Netscape... :)
Alex Minh-Hon Chau
the 286, I mean the 286, not the new pentium with all the extra
speed boost... I'm talking about a machine that doesn't even have
a 32 bit bus... all I'm trying to say is that there will be a lot
of companies going belly up before the next century, but AAPL
will not be one of them...
fff (m...@3.3.3) wrote:
: Well, I just have to comment on a few points. The 286 is still here,
: it's called the P6 aka 286/3000mhz. Intel, like Microsloth is in the
: buisness of vested interests. BillGates would freak if he actually had to
: be innovative. He never even invented DOS. Apple is in the buisness of
: inventing everything. QD3D, QDGX, QTVR, OpenDoc, OpenTransport, FireWire,
: etc. If you want to invest in the dead CISC BIOS wintel platform, you
: better hope everybody is willing to wait a decade before they can enjoy
: such technology. BTW, PPCP will be powered by 600mhz RISC chips in 1997.
: See: http://www.exp.com
Gary Newberry
:In article
:<Pine.A32.3.91.960115...@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>, Alex
:Minh-Hon Chau <amh...@acs.ucalgary.ca> wrote:
:> On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, Stephen J Ripberger wrote:
:>
:> > 1.Although Apple's market share has increased of late, profit margins
:> > are WAY down.They are taking a loss for 4Q 95.
:>
:> > 2.Although Apple has finally begun to lower its prices in an attempt
:> > to remain viable,they are still far more expensive than a comparable
:> > PC, especially when software is taken into account.
:> When was the last time you went shopping? :)
:>
:> > 3.Win95, though still somewhat more complex in comparison to Sys7or 8
:> > or whatever Apple is using now,is much closer to user-friendly status
:> > than Win3.1 and MSFT has the money to span that tiny gap
:> > between Apple's OS and their own in a very short period of time
:> > (months, not years).
:> Sure... sure, Microsoft this, Microsoft that... although I use Macintosh
:> and Windows 95... I like Macintosh better... however, I see a great
:> potential for Microsoft... their ability to dominate the market... how do
:> we know that Microsoft will not buy Apple out? They can transfer
:> ownership of the OS and then resell it? :) Hehehe..
:>
:> >
:> > I have no interest in "flaming" anything.Whether one likes a product
:> > or not does not change the nature of reality or investing.While wild
:> > price fluctuations and rumors still make APPL a speculative
:> > buy(better as an option),in the long-run this company is a dog. I
:> > would not be surprised if all things Mac have dissappeared in 5
:> > years.After all, with the pace at which technology is moving,the only
:> > thing for certain is that most of the current players on the tech
:> > scene will be gone in short order.
:> > Sincerely,
:> > Stephen J Ripberger
:> Stephen... very true... however, do you know what will happen in 5 years
:> time? Do you know how fast the computer industry is growing? Sure sure,
:> the Macintosh may disappear, but AAPL won't... my point... the Pentium
:> will disappear from the market like the 286 did... but Intel is still
:> around, and it will be around... anyone who establishes itself in the
:> market, with name recognition and all will survive towards the next
:> century... AAPL has been around since the 60's... I don't see why it
:> can't live longer... I consider the company a blue chip... it's a pretty
:> speculative stock, but it hasn't moved much in either direction... the
:> fact that it hasn't moved down means it's not a dead company... the fact
:> that it hasn't moved up much remains a mystery... or actually because of
:> AAPL's management... let Gates run the company, how far will the stock
:> bump? Ah... you tell me.
: Well, I just have to comment on a few points. The 286 is still here,
:it's called the P6 aka 286/3000mhz. Intel, like Microsloth is in the
:buisness of vested interests. BillGates would freak if he actually had to
:be innovative. He never even invented DOS. Apple is in the buisness of
:inventing everything. QD3D, QDGX, QTVR, OpenDoc, OpenTransport, FireWire,
:etc. If you want to invest in the dead CISC BIOS wintel platform, you
:better hope everybody is willing to wait a decade before they can enjoy
:such technology. BTW, PPCP will be powered by 600mhz RISC chips in 1997.
:See: http://www.exp.com
No, you See Apples $69 Million loss in their traditional most
lucrative quarter.
Gary
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The Tick
Jon Udell (Jon....@Symbios.com) wrote:
:>:One major weakness in the Mac Market are games.Most games arenot ported to
:>:the Macintosh. There are easily 20 games on the PC for ever one on the Mac.
:>:And the games that are ported, only half of them do well. Manytimes the
:>:It is questionable if games do make a difference. Lord knows, when one
:>:walks into a software store, most of the shelves are full of games.
:> In my mind, there is no question because of the anecdotal evidence
:> that you just gave. Not only do I think games are important, but seeing
:> shelves upon shelves of software for one computer and not the Mac makes a
:> strong impression on new or even experienced computer buyers. According to
:> Apple's reluctance to help game makers out is, IMO, one of their
:> biggest mistakes ever, and a mistake that rarely recieves as much
:> criticism as it deserves. "Ah, they're just games." Right. They also
:> take up at least half the software spaces in any software dealer.
: I find this all quite humerous, as one of the reasons I hear cited
: most often for businesses purchasing PCs instead of Macs is that the
: Mac is "just a game machine". (No, I don't agree with that statement.)
You're right unfortunately. I am one of those, who with heavy
heart, elected to go with a Mac. I may get a lot more work done a lot
more easily, but I also have the agony of picking up last week's computer
game magazine to see what *might* come my way a year and a half later.
Businesses could make their workers more productive, cut down
(relative to PC's) on the play, cut down on the technical service and
confusion, have a longer prodcut life, but instead they elect to go with
a PC primarily for the "cheaper" price of the system. Yeah, what a bargain.
On a closing note, I was once asked by a mother about which computer
should she buy for her son departing for college. I told her to buy
whatever made him the most comfortable. My own preference was the Mac,
but while she was still thinking about it, I was thinking about what her
son might want to have while in college.
"Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of decent games."
She made up her mind pretty quickly.
Paul Mussington
>a head of MSFT, and there is every reason to think they will succeed.
to
the market demands, and I will give you three examples off the top of my
head.
1) They were pretty much forced to lisence their operating system to save
their
necks.
2) The much ballyhooed "Newton" was the multimillion dollar bust;
overpriced
and certainly overpriced!
3) And as always there is turmoil with upper management!
Apple may have superior products that show great innovation, but so what?
people said the same thing with Betamax and Edsel.
- Paul M.
Scott W. Haney
>On Jan 16, 1996 16:35:23 in article <Re: APPLE COMPUTER>,
>'swh...@netcom.com (Scott W. Haney)' wrote:
>
>
>>AAPL is a bit dense sometimes but they know they have to keep
>>a head of MSFT, and there is every reason to think they will succeed.
>
>Apple succeed?? Just think about it. Apple has shown no ability to adjust
>to
>the market demands, and I will give you three examples off the top of my
>head.
The "success" discussed was keeping the MacOS better than Windows.
>1) They were pretty much forced to lisence their operating system to save
>their
> necks.
Gee, doesn't MSFT do that too. Isn't this an example of adjusting to market
demands?
>2) The much ballyhooed "Newton" was the multimillion dollar bust;
>overpriced
> and certainly overpriced!
Yeah, overpriced, overpriced and it didn't work that good either. Concept
was sound but the technology wasn't there.
>3) And as always there is turmoil with upper management!
>
Agreed.
>Apple may have superior products that show great innovation, but so what?
>people said the same thing with Betamax and Edsel.
You're kind of right but you're way overstating things. There are 20
million Macs and 5-6 million more a year being made. You know, Apple
did have 11 billion dollars in sales in 1995.
Scott
au...@delphi.com
>I agree, apple's core base is too loyal for apple to ever go under.
>own niche markets, apple will still sell a lot of PC's.
>
>Jaspreet Singh
goes somewhere I can recover a loss. they didn't learn anything w/ Jobs and
certainly not w/ Sculley. There's no hope for them. Oh well, an investment
gone bad!
Stephen J Ripberger
Analysts: Apple Waited Too Long for Buyers
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuter) - Apple Computer Inc., the target of takeover
rumors for the past two years, seems to have waited too long to find a
buyer, analysts say.
In October 1994, Apple Chief Executive Officer Michael Spindler
rebuffed a proposal from IBM Corp. for a deal at $40 a share, as
previously reported. Sources said Spindler wanted
at least $60 a share.
The Wall Street Journal reported Friday that Apple recently talked
with Sun Microsystems Inc. about a possible buyout but those talks
also fell apart over price.
Sun Microsystems, Apple and IBM all declined to comment on the report.
``The company is not for sale,'' said an Apple spokeswoman. ''But
certainly the company's board and management are aware of obligations
to maximize shareholder value.''
``The odds on it (a deal) happening are shrinking everyday,'' said
Todd Bakar, a Hambrecht & Quist analyst. ``They looked a lot stronger
six to nine months ago. Now they are losing a
lot of money. It's a bit of a messy situation.''
Bakar said that he does not believe investors are going to see a sale
of Apple ``anytime soon.''
Analysts said that Apple's near-term prospects are grim, with most
forecasting losses for the current fiscal year.
Apple's current restructuring plan is ``anemic,'' said J.P. Morgan
analyst Daniel Kunstler.
``A sale of the company, while still a distinct possibility given the
value of the Apple franchise, will probably have been pushed out in
light of (Wednesday's) earnings and 'restructuring'
announcement,'' Kunstler said.
Indeed, many analysts said that takeover rumors had been propping up
the stock, which closed at $34.125 on Monday.
The stock tumbled after the company on Wednesday reported a loss of
$69 million in its latest quarter and said it was cutting 1,300
workers as part of a plan to refocus its business.
The stock sank another $2.06 Friday to close at $29.875 on Nasdaq.
Apple's Macintosh computers have less than a 10 percent share of the
world personal computer market, which is dominated by PCs running
Intel Corp. chips and Microsoft Corp.
Windows software.
While Mac owners are fanatically loyal, Apple needs to attract new
users, analysts said.
Eric Mockensturm
I'm aware that the Mac never had less. I'm just thinking that my parents
had a //e in 1984 and it had 64k which was considered a lot (at least by
my peers). If it would have had 128k, I'd have been in heaven, not to
mention the envy of my 8th grade class.
On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, Matt Ackeret wrote:
> I think you're forgetting. The Mac _started_ with 128K. There was
> never any less than 128K in a Mac. ("Fat Mac" before the SE bumped that to
> 512K).. Tangentially, the GS started with 256K.
> --
> unk...@apple.com Apple II Forever
> These opinions are mine, not Apple's.
>
Eric Mockensturm
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Kevin Lemmo
Maybe paitience is in order. Computers are still in a infancy stage.
Who knows excactly what the future is going to be?
Paul Blakeslee
(Kevin Lemmo)' wrote:
>
>
>Maybe paitience is in order. Computers are still in a infancy stage.
of how old is your dog (in dog years). Can this be applied to computers
(in computer years) as well)??
PRB