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rbl...@yahoo.com

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Jan 19, 2005, 8:09:54 PM1/19/05
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My Naturalization application was declined (after passing
fingerprinting, english competency etc, interview) due to
non-registration to selective service.

I did not know you are suppose to register even though you are
non-citizen.
I was encourage just to re-apply again. Will this issue come up again
on my re-application? ANy input on this will help. Thanks.

fatbrit

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Jan 19, 2005, 8:58:47 PM1/19/05
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Bob

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Jan 19, 2005, 9:19:54 PM1/19/05
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> http://britishexpats.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1982644&postcount=56

uncanny how we were talking of that earlier...anyway, if over 26, it
should be a mute point...but it'll be a bugger to get rejected because
you didn't sign up for iit....

fatbrit

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Jan 19, 2005, 9:22:57 PM1/19/05
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> uncanny how we were talking of that earlier...anyway, if over 26, it
> should be a mute point...but it'll be a bugger to get rejected because
> you didn't sign up for iit....

I'd go for the sign up if I were you Bob. We can always get Ray to shoot
you in the foot if the worse comes to the worst!

Joe Feise

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Jan 19, 2005, 9:35:54 PM1/19/05
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rbl...@yahoo.com wrote on 1/19/2005 17:09:
> My Naturalization application was declined (after passing
> fingerprinting, english competency etc, interview) due to
> non-registration to selective service.
>
> I did not know you are suppose to register even though you are
> non-citizen.

Hmm, did you never stand in line at the post office and wondered what this
colorful brochure about "Men 18-25..." was all about?

-Joe

Bob

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Jan 19, 2005, 9:34:03 PM1/19/05
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> I'd go for the sign up if I were you Bob. We can always get Ray to
> shoot you in the foot if the worse comes to the worst!

Aye, tell me about it, though I ain't got my greencard yet, it's
something that I said I'd sign up for when either I do get it, or at
least the AOS interview :D
No need risking it either way just yet :)

Sub

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Jan 19, 2005, 10:05:07 PM1/19/05
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Holy $@#&........

my citizenship interview is coming up in 2 weeks, i am in the same
situation as you are, never did registerd with SS, but I thought as
long as you have a good moral character they can not deny your
citizenship? most people just don't know about this SS thing, this
including myself also.

Sub

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Jan 19, 2005, 11:01:01 PM1/19/05
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rbl...@yahoo.com wrote:
> My Naturalization application was declined (after passing
> fingerprinting, english competency etc, interview) due to
> non-registration to selective service.
may i ask how old are you and which state you are filing from?
thanks

Bob

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Jan 19, 2005, 11:30:05 PM1/19/05
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Apply online, only takes a minute...

dan

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Jan 20, 2005, 12:35:03 AM1/20/05
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In most countries, only citizens go to the army. In the US, war veterans
get deported.

"Joe Feise" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Joe Feise

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Jan 20, 2005, 11:44:28 AM1/20/05
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Sub wrote on 1/19/2005 19:05:
> rbl...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>My Naturalization application was declined (after passing
>>fingerprinting, english competency etc, interview) due to
>>non-registration to selective service.
>>
>>I did not know you are suppose to register even though you are
>>non-citizen.
>>I was encourage just to re-apply again. Will this issue come up again
>>on my re-application? ANy input on this will help. Thanks.
>
>
>
> Holy $@#&........
>
> my citizenship interview is coming up in 2 weeks, i am in the same
> situation as you are, never did registerd with SS, but I thought as
> long as you have a good moral character they can not deny your
> citizenship?

Not registering for Selective Services, if you were required to,
indicates lack of moral character...
Since for citizenship, you have to demonstrate good moral character in
the last 5 years before applying, waiting until age 31 before applying
may help.

-Joe

Rete

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Jan 20, 2005, 12:08:32 PM1/20/05
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> uncanny how we were talking of that earlier...anyway, if over 26, it
> should be a mute point...but it'll be a bugger to get rejected because
> you didn't sign up for iit....

Yes, if you are over 26 when you take up residency in the US, note I did
not say become a permanent resident, then you are free and clear. But
read the criteria on the Selective Service site and you will see that
there are only a handful of people who do NOT have to register. Your
classification "pending AOS" is not one of them.

We don't have a draft at present and it is really unlikely that it will
occur in the near future or before your 26th birthday so why not just
register and get it over with. If you are drafted, you are going to run
like hell back to merry old England anyway so what's the difference ;-)

Rete

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I'm not an attorney. This disclaimer is valid in NYS!
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Bob

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Jan 20, 2005, 2:00:39 PM1/20/05
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> Yes, if you are over 26 when you take up residency in the US, note I
> did not say become a permanent resident, then you are free and clear.
> But read the criteria on the Selective Service site and you will see
> that there are only a handful of people who do NOT have to register.
> Your classification "pending AOS" is not one of them.
>
> We don't have a draft at present and it is really unlikely that it
> will occur in the near future or before your 26th birthday so why not
> just register and get it over with. If you are drafted, you are going
> to run like hell back to merry old England anyway so what's the
> difference ;-)
>
> Rete

Aye, that's very true indeed :)
Though I'm still holding out until I get an interview date, once I do,
I'll sign straight up... just postponing the inevitable I guess :)

Sub

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Jan 20, 2005, 5:51:41 PM1/20/05
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> Since for citizenship, you have to demonstrate good moral character
in
> the last 5 years before applying, waiting until age 31 before
applying
> may help.
>
> -Joe

I am not sure what the INS's definition of good moral character are?
Can someone here give me an example?

Yes Joe, my 37th birthday will be coming up next month, at this time
I'll just leave it to the examiner to decide my citizenship.

Bob

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Jan 20, 2005, 6:50:41 PM1/20/05
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Some one that hasn't been naughty....no drugs, fraud, that kind of
thing....that and dodging selective service...

Hnchoksi

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Jan 20, 2005, 7:13:53 PM1/20/05
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>Subject: Re: declined Naturalization due to Non-registry to Selective Sevice
>From: Joe Feise m...@privacy.net
>Date: 1/19/2005 9:35 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <41EF190A...@privacy.net>

Maybe he thought the title sounded too X-rated and did not look at it? :)

Rich Wales

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Jan 21, 2005, 12:07:05 AM1/21/05
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Joe Feise wrote:

> Not registering for Selective Services, if you were required
> to, indicates lack of moral character... Since for citizenship,
> you have to demonstrate good moral character in the last 5 years
> before applying, waiting until age 31 before applying may help.

The following web page (by an immigration lawyer) provides useful
background on this issue: http://www.shusterman.com/natz-ss99.html

I'm not sure what, if any, evidence will be sufficient to convince the
USICS that someone's failure to register with Selective Service (if
such registration was necessary) was an honest, innocent mistake and
not "knowing and willful". The original poster might want to discuss
his situation with an experienced immigration lawyer before proceeding
further.

Rich Wales ri...@richw.org http://www.richw.org/dualcit/
*DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer, professional immigration consultant,
or consular officer. My comments are for discussion purposes only and
are not intended to be relied upon as legal or professional advice.

Boiler

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Jan 21, 2005, 8:56:43 AM1/21/05
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I am too old, but I only found out about Selective Service here.

I have yet to see a poster, might be worth looking in your PO, might be
a way out.

Rete

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Jan 21, 2005, 9:02:53 AM1/21/05
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> I am too old, but I only found out about Selective Service here.
>
> I have yet to see a poster, might be worth looking in your PO, might
> be a way out.

Actually surprised that no one, including myself, has mentioned that the
USCIS sometimes, and the operative word here is sometimes, registers a
pending adjuster for the selective service without their even realizing
it. There have been several men in the past on the marriage-based forum
that have said they were surprised when they went to register to find
that they already were and when they questioned this they were told that
the then INS had registered them when they filed their petitions.

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