Artifical Pancreas
gu...@consolidated.net
The Early Show as a feature on a prototype of an artificial
pancreas. It is the same idea some have proposed here.
They now have a prototype on a female doc. They say
it may be common in five or ten years.
The person interviewed said it is for type 1 but there is no reason it
would not work for type 2.
It provides continuous reading and computes the dose.
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Alan Mackenzie
> The Early Show as a feature on a prototype of an artificial
> pancreas. It is the same idea some have proposed here.
> They now have a prototype on a female doc. They say
> it may be common in five or ten years.
> The person interviewed said it is for type 1 but there is no reason it
> would not work for type 2.
> It provides continuous reading and computes the dose.
You mean it's a fancy insulin pump.
Pardon me for taking exception to the misuse of "artificial pancreas".
Nothing is this unless it PRODUCES insulin.
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dburn
I Agree. I remember the implantable insulin pumps in the 1990's.
Apparently nobody thought about what would happen if you keep insulin
at body temperature (98.6F) instead of the recommended 70F degrees. I
think they gave up pretty quickly.
On another note...I received my Dexcom 7 Continuous blood glucose
monitor yesterday (if anyone is interested). I am stunned by the
results i am getting. I thought i was in good control until I took a
look at what was happening in between the standard 4 blood sugar tests
per day. It was normal at bedtime, then I was all over the place
during the night, but by the time I woke up in the morning, it was
back to normal. If anyone has a chance to try one of these out, I
highly recommend it.
gu...@consolidated.net
I cried for a good CGMS for years. I sure used a lot of strips and
loss of sleep solve my condition.
Several here have been on a CGMS device and report the
wide swings in blood glucose.
From what I know it would be a very good
improvement to control on a short schedule
around the clock.
I think what I saw indicated a longer time implanted
device improvement
We seem to a long way from growing new organs.
.
The device shown on TV was being used by a doc as a
experiment that shows promise. TOO damn late
for me.
They did mention that test--calculate--inject is a current
standard method. What I have been doing for years. But
not every few minutes.
Read the other reply here.
***************THIS what we need to be discussing.******
Semantics or grammar are not proper for here. I want help for this
damn disease which wrecked much of my life. I do not care about hurt
feelings or being called names by mentally ill.
I will spend some time on the research of the CGMS mentioned in the
other reply. We used to cover so any things important here to
diabetes.
More important that the taste of broccoli or the restaurant menu a
person likes.
the word is oxymoron.
gu...@consolidated.net
discussed Medtronic's work on the device and the feasibility of a
device. I think our contacts name was Joe Lambert.
When a person loses insulin production it is usually not a good
situation at best. We were snowed under by diet fights and lost our
way. Today we are away off base.
So many are suffering unnecessarily when a few
rationalize gross eating.
When a "Meddie" mentions sliding scale to me.Ugh.
We are not where we should be now.
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:12:49 -0700 (PDT), dburn <DBu...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Alan Mackenzie
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:49:10 +0000 (UTC), Alan Mackenzie
> <a...@colin2.muc.de> wrote:
>>gu...@consolidated.net wrote:
>>> The Early Show as a feature on a prototype of an artificial
>>> pancreas. It is the same idea some have proposed here.
>>> They now have a prototype on a female doc. They say
>>> it may be common in five or ten years.
>>> The person interviewed said it is for type 1 but there is no reason it
>>> would not work for type 2.
>>> It provides continuous reading and computes the dose.
>>You mean it's a fancy insulin pump.
>>Pardon me for taking exception to the misuse of "artificial pancreas".
>>Nothing is this unless it PRODUCES insulin.
[ .... ]
> They did mention that test--calculate--inject is a current
> standard method. What I have been doing for years. But
> not every few minutes.
> Read the other reply here.
> ***************THIS what we need to be discussing.******
> Semantics or grammar are not proper for here. I want help for this
> damn disease which wrecked much of my life. I do not care about hurt
> feelings or being called names by mentally ill.
Guy, if it's any consolation, this damn disease has wrecked pretty much
all of my life, not just from middle age on. Hurt feelings are all that
matter here, and whether those hurt feelings are caused by physical
degeneration, injury, innate problems, or whatever is irrelevant.
Semantics MATTERS. Words have meanings, and we abuse them at our peril:
Big business invents the term "intellectual PROPERTY", and then proceeds
to brainwash us into thinking copying a CD is a form of stealing. Big
word lovers abuse the word "paedophile" to mean a child abuser, leaving
no word, and no conceptual pigeonhole, for paedophiles who never have and
never will abuse a child.
WORDS MATTER.
Now we've got big pharma calling an insulin pump "an artificial
pancreas". This is a misnomer - it's a bit like calling a
non-functional glass eye "an artificial eye"; sure, it makes a one-eyed
person better looking, but it's not a functional eye. Just as this
"artificial pancreas" doesn't work either - it doesn't produce insulin.
If you're going to accept this use of "artificial pancreas", Guy, what
term are you going to use for a fully functional artificial pancreas,
one that produces insulin?
Somewhere, somehow, this semantic abuse is going to end up with us (or,
more likely, our successors) being screwed. Health authority droids are
going to argue "you've got an artificial pancreas, what's the problem?".
> I will spend some time on the research of the CGMS mentioned in the
> other reply. We used to cover so any things important here to
> diabetes.
No problem with that. CGMS (centimetre, gramme, metre, second? ;-) is
important too.
MāckŠŽ
wrote:
>
>I Agree. I remember the implantable insulin pumps in the 1990's.
>Apparently nobody thought about what would happen if you keep insulin
>at body temperature (98.6F) instead of the recommended 70F degrees. I
>think they gave up pretty quickly.
that wasn't the issue. they simply used U-500 and it was able to last
that long. The problem was it had no continuous monitor and therefore
had no way to slow or stop the flow of insulin automatically.
It wasn't anywhere near being a "closed loop" system.
>
>On another note...I received my Dexcom 7 Continuous blood glucose
>monitor yesterday (if anyone is interested). I am stunned by the
>results i am getting. I thought i was in good control until I took a
>look at what was happening in between the standard 4 blood sugar tests
>per day. It was normal at bedtime, then I was all over the place
>during the night, but by the time I woke up in the morning, it was
>back to normal. If anyone has a chance to try one of these out, I
>highly recommend it.
>
>
That doesn't mean you are out of control.
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gu...@consolidated.net
Alan. I see your reply as outstanding and what we need more of
here. We need collective knowledge and no one person has the
answers.
The groups degenerate when intelligent exchanges dry up.
The idea is to finally to provide a system to allow more
precise control of blood glucose. The research involves
many paths. A lot going on in my area (Houston, Texas)
The closed loop seems to be progressing well. The
idea is to implant a device that require limited attention.
Mack seems to be up to speed in this area.
Thank you for getting us back on track. We need
calm discussion to profit all.
All I can do is to provoke and let others run with any subject.
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:05:31 +0000 (UTC), Alan Mackenzie
<a...@colin2.muc.de> wrote:
Nico Kadel-Garcia
> I Agree. I remember the implantable insulin pumps in the 1990's.
> Apparently nobody thought about what would happen if you keep insulin
> at body temperature (98.6F) instead of the recommended 70F degrees. I
> think they gave up pretty quickly.
Think "1960's" Dr. Santiago's work at Barnes Hospital dates back that at least
to the 1970's, and they had a working implantable pump. The sensors never
worked well, and still don't. The new design recently gathering press in the
UK, only works well at night because the sensors are poor. The leader of the
project thinks that math can make up for measurement, and they just need the
right computer model.
Yeah, right. And a smart enough computer can play ping without any way of
measuring where the ball is.
Gen. Postings
gu...@consolidated.net wrote:
<insert>
Where better?
As Usenet (except for binary groups) is a text-only medium, semantics is
not only proper it is essential. I mean true semantics - relating to
meaning in language not just "splitting hairs".
As this group generally and this topic in particular is about a definitely
damaging and potentially fatal health issue essential really does mean
vital, life and death vital.
There is a world of difference between an artifical replacement for a
pancreas and an artificial pancreas, especially in a health group.
Generally on Usenet as long as the thoughts of the poster are transmitted,
and properly translated, to the reader the communication is succesful. So
I agree with you that "splitting hairs", is not important. Nor is grammar
or spelling. But semantics is.
> I want help for this
> damn disease which wrecked much of my life. I do not care about hurt
> feelings or being called names by mentally ill.
>
> I will spend some time on the research of the CGMS mentioned in the
> other reply. We used to cover so any things important here to
> diabetes.
>
> More important that the taste of broccoli or the restaurant menu a
> person likes.
> the word is oxymoron.
>
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<Err...@chfile.dne> wrote:
>The similarities between people makes communication possible,
>The differences between them makes it worthwhile and necessary.
>
>The English speaking world - great nations separated by a common language.
Well said, Gen Postings, and delivered without calling anyone names, like
mentally ill, used pejoratively, or being dismissive of posts about dietary
issues. Diet, exercise and medicine, ... isn't that the Triumvirate we rely on
as diabetics?
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Gen. Postings
shallotpeel wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:40:29 +1000, in
> <hn4q0s4ki4j7$.mb8viqt7nfw2$.d...@40tude.net> "Gen. Postings"
> <Err...@chfile.dne> wrote:
>
>>In misc.health.diabetes On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:13:00 -0500,
>>gu...@consolidated.net wrote:
>>
>>> Semantics or grammar are not proper for here.
>>Where better?
>> ...
>>There is a world of difference between an artificial replacement for a
>>pancreas and an artificial pancreas, especially in a health group.
>>
>>Generally on Usenet as long as the thoughts of the poster are transmitted,
>>and properly translated, to the reader the communication is successful. So
>>I agree with you that "splitting hairs", is not important. Nor is grammar
>>or spelling. But semantics is.
<snip>
> Well said, Gen Postings, and delivered without calling anyone names, like
> mentally ill, used pejoratively, or being dismissive of posts about dietary
> issues. Diet, exercise and medicine, ... isn't that the Triumvirate we rely on
> as diabetics?
Thank you for your kind words Donna.
Re my post:- As a long time Usenet Newsgroup and bbs poster I found early
on that invective is a waste of band width and pixels. Most people in such
a self selected environment as a newsgroup are there because they want to
be. Most are after information and support at some level. I think that the
information should be as accurate as possible and be corrected civilly when
necessary.
Re my diabetic status :- I feel I should nail my colours to the mast.
I am not diabetic at present, nor am I just a casual observer.
I have had diabetic friends and colleagues whose life plans and lives have
been devastated by diabetes. Years ago a close work-mate died, in part as a
result of his work-mates (myself included) not looking out for him as much
as we could or should have. Through our ignorance we failed him. More
recently about 3 years ago my brother was diagnosed as diabetic subsequent
to a traffic accident. I am also aware that I am at least as much at risk
as he was - so my interest is not purely academic.
I am trying to educate myself about my brothers condition etc., and lurk
primarily in alt.support.diabetes and to a lesser extent here in mhd. to
find what good information I can.
ps I am still wading thru' the mhd FAQ 1-5. Thanks to Edward Reid for
posting them 14/8.
Regards to all
Lindsay of Oz - undiagnosed, alert but not (yet) alarmed.
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Have you also seen this not-quite-FAQ for asd?
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
Gen. Postings
wrote:
> "Gen. Postings" <Err...@chfile.dne> wrote in message
> news:qe1xvvl61cfs$.1shdhzvb9bm48$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> In misc.health.diabetes On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:46:47 -0400, DonnaB
>> shallotpeel wrote:
>>> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:40:29 +1000, in
>>> <hn4q0s4ki4j7$.mb8viqt7nfw2$.d...@40tude.net> "Gen. Postings"
>>> <Err...@chfile.dne> wrote:
>>>>In misc.health.diabetes On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:13:00 -0500,
>>>>gu...@consolidated.net wrote:
>>> Well said, Gen Postings, and delivered without calling anyone names,
>>>... or being dismissive of posts about dietary issues.
>>> Diet, exercise and medicine,
>>> ... isn't that the Triumvirate we rely on as diabetics?
>>
>> Thank you for your kind words Donna.
>>
>> Re my post:- As a long time Usenet Newsgroup and bbs poster I found early
>> on that invective is a waste of band width and pixels. ...
>>
>> Re my diabetic status :- I feel I should nail my colours to the mast.
>> I am not diabetic at present, nor am I just a casual observer.
>>
>> I have had diabetic friends and colleagues whose life plans and lives have
>> been devastated by diabetes. Years ago a close work-mate died, in part as
>> a
>> result of his work-mates (myself included) not looking out for him as much
>> as we could or should have. Through our ignorance we failed him. More
>> recently about 3 years ago my brother was diagnosed as diabetic subsequent
>> to a traffic accident. I am also aware that I am at least as much at risk
>> as he was - so my interest is not purely academic.
>>
>> I am trying to educate myself about my brothers condition etc., and lurk
>> primarily in alt.support.diabetes and to a lesser extent here in mhd. to
>> find what good information I can.
>>
>> ps I am still wading thru' the mhd FAQ 1-5. Thanks to Edward Reid for
>> posting them 14/8.
>>
>> Regards to all
>> Lindsay of Oz - undiagnosed, alert but not (yet) alarmed.
> .
> Have you also seen this not-quite-FAQ for asd?
>
> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
I have seen it referenced, and now have it bookmarked. Thanks.
Most Newsgroups I visit re-post their FAQ periodically and that is where I
found Edwards repost.
I did not go looking for the asd faq as I thought
"When the pupil is ready the tutor will appear."
And you did. {;-)}
Regards Lindsay
DonnaB shallotpeel
<1n5qvmc8y8zb6$.60yp4z38w1h0$.d...@40tude.net> "Gen. Postings"
<Err...@chfile.dne> wrote:
>In misc.health.diabetes On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:42:12 -0500, Robert Miles
>wrote:
>
>> "Gen. Postings" <Err...@chfile.dne> wrote in message
>> news:qe1xvvl61cfs$.1shdhzvb9bm48$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>
>>> Thank you for your kind words Donna.
You are very welcome, Lindsay! Nice to meet you & hear your story.
>>> Re my post:- As a long time Usenet Newsgroup and bbs poster I found early
>>> on that invective is a waste of band width and pixels. ...
>>>
>>> Re my diabetic status :- I feel I should nail my colours to the mast.
>>> I am not diabetic at present, nor am I just a casual observer.
>>>
>>> I have had diabetic friends and colleagues whose life plans and lives have
>>> been devastated by diabetes. Years ago a close work-mate died, in part as
>>> a
>>> result of his work-mates (myself included) not looking out for him as much
>>> as we could or should have. Through our ignorance we failed him. More
>>> recently about 3 years ago my brother was diagnosed as diabetic subsequent
>>> to a traffic accident. I am also aware that I am at least as much at risk
>>> as he was - so my interest is not purely academic.
>>>
>>> I am trying to educate myself about my brothers condition etc., and lurk
>>> primarily in alt.support.diabetes and to a lesser extent here in mhd. to
>>> find what good information I can.
>>>
>>> ps I am still wading thru' the mhd FAQ 1-5. Thanks to Edward Reid for
>>> posting them 14/8.
>>>
>>> Regards to all
>>> Lindsay of Oz - undiagnosed, alert but not (yet) alarmed.
>> .
>> Have you also seen this not-quite-FAQ for asd?
>>
>> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
Yes, that's one I would have offered up. <G>
>I have seen it referenced, and now have it bookmarked. Thanks.
>Most Newsgroups I visit re-post their FAQ periodically and that is where I
>found Edwards repost.
The ASD business is a bit too webbish to translate into text, so it's not
posted & re-posted, just the pointer to it!!
Alan S
<Err...@chfile.dne> wrote:
>Lindsay of Oz
Where are you? I'm up near the NSW/Qld border.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Alan S
<Err...@chfile.dne> wrote:
>> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
>
>I have seen it referenced, and now have it bookmarked. Thanks.
>Most Newsgroups I visit re-post their FAQ periodically and that is where I
>found Edwards repost.
>I did not go looking for the asd faq as I thought
>"When the pupil is ready the tutor will appear."
>
>And you did. {;-)}
>
>Regards Lindsay
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>The differences between them makes it worthwhile.
I learnt from that; probably the most important thing I read
after diagnosis from any source.
I added my own experiences here in the blog listed in the
sig.
Gen. Postings
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:41:44 +1000, "Gen. Postings"
> <Err...@chfile.dne> wrote:
>
>>Lindsay of Oz
>
> Where are you? I'm up near the NSW/Qld border.
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
I'm in the Melbourne suburb of Northcote Victoria.
The wilds of Westgarth.
I am a denizen of Dennis.
I've checked out some of your articles as pointed to in asd.
Well done.
Rgds Lindsay
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Alan S
<Err...@chfile.dne> wrote:
>In misc.health.diabetes On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:51:51 +1000, Alan S wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:41:44 +1000, "Gen. Postings"
>> <Err...@chfile.dne> wrote:
>>
>>>Lindsay of Oz
>>
>> Where are you? I'm up near the NSW/Qld border.
>>
>> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>
>I'm in the Melbourne suburb of Northcote Victoria.
>The wilds of Westgarth.
>I am a denizen of Dennis.
>
>I've checked out some of your articles as pointed to in asd.
> Well done.
>
> Rgds Lindsay
> ell...@iinet.com.au
I know the area well. I drove cabs in Melbourne for 17
years; lived in Waverley for about 25 years. Now I'm up
here:
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/search/label/North%20Coast
Thanks:-)
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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