Mark S Probert the childish poster

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Message from discussion I am sick and tired of answering these Jan
Drew driven allegations.

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From: Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:03:05 -0400
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Subject: I am sick and tired of answering these Jan Drew driven
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> Mark,
>
> > Are you referring to my comment about the email you sent Jan?
>
> There ya go. No. I did not send Jan that email. Ilena Rosenthal posted
> it after my wife sent it to her, when Ilena decided that she would
> write to my wife to try to stifle my posting to Usenet (what other
> purpose would Ilena have in reporting my posting to my wife?) She sent
> it originally to my wife's place of employment. When my wife ignored
> the stalking, Ilena created one of her webpages about her and our
> children to intimidate her into responding. When Ilena did not like my
> wife's response, Ilena created a permanent werb page about her.
>
> Jan latched onto this, and has reposted it at least 10,000 times.
>
> Compare that shit with what you are whining about.
>
> > I said it sounded like something you would write/do.
> > You sent it to her pretending it was actually from your wife.
>
> No, my wife sent it to her. She wrote it in haste, as she was pissed
> off at Ilena's crap.
>
> > What about infiltrating Ilena's support group?
>
> I have explained this 100000000 times. This will be the last time.
>
> In 2002 my son was scheduled to have his implanted Intrathecal
> Baclofen pump replaced and I mentioned it in a newsgroup. Years
> before, when he first had his implant, I mentioned that we were so
> thrilled with the results, I bought stock in the company that
> manufactured it.Shortly after I mentioned the upcoming replacement
> surgery began receiving anonymous emails wishing him ill. The emails
> sounded like they were coming from people who were being fed
> information about me by Ilena. I decided to do a bit of investigating,
> and attempted to join her group...not todisrupt it, as Ilena and Jan
> have claimed, but to see if I was a target, as I had been in the
> newsgroups. Ilena confronted me, and I promptly acknowledged what I
> was doing and why. Ilena claimed that I did not receive the emails (as
> if she could see my email inbox).
>
> > What about your posting personal info about Jan?
>
> You have notg been reading very carefully. I have never posted
> anything of a personal nature about Jan. While she feels free topost
> about my family and my business, post what she believes is my home
> address and my business address, I have *never* done that to her. In
> fact, there was one episode a few years ago where someone called her
> trailer trash, and I objected to that perjorative. IIRC, she even
> thanked me.
>
> > I have never posted personal info about you.
>
> You REPEAT Jan's comments about me. AFAIUAC, it is giving her antics
> the imprimatur of approval.
>
> > I've never provded links to the web pages that
> > contain info about you. It's out there and I have read it.
>
> True. However, see above. You do not have to do everything that she
> does to encourage her.
>
> > If you look at the history of the articles I post in various groups
> > you will see that I have posted numerous articles concerning
> > Christian fanaticism, violence, and hate/prejudice that I used as
> > examples of mental disease.
>
> I do not follow people around Usenet (Jan does). I also disagree with
> you about that being mental disease.
>
> > The Rabbi dealing in illegal transplant organs was involved in
> > a ring that included MD's. This article did not include the info
> > that the previous article included. I am hoping to find another
> > indepth article that gives more info. This article was posted as
> > an example of medical fraud and greed.
>
> For what purpose? If it were to trash conventional medical practice,
> then you are essentially engaging in a form of ad hominem.
>
> The other article
>
> > dealt with the organ trade and the future possibility of people
> > legally selling organs.-
>
> I'll retract, for the time being, my earlier comments, and take a wait
> and see attitude. BTW, when Jan's anti-semitism reared its ugly head,
> I attempted to explain to her how offensive her comments were. She
> defended her use of anti-semetic perjoratives, e.g. "Jew-Boy" and
> would not acknowledge her inproper behavior. In fact, she went
> further, even after it was pointed out to her that her actions were
> highly offensive. I never reciprocated.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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you r=
eferring to my comment about the email you sent Jan? > >
There =
ya go. No. I did not send Jan that email. Ilena Rosenthal
posted > it=
after my wife sent it to her, when Ilena decided that she would

> write to my wife to try to stifle my posting to Usenet (what
other =
> purpose would Ilena have in reporting my posting to my wife?) She
sent=
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wife i=
gnored

> the stalking, Ilena created one of her webpages about her and
our &=
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like my<=
br>> wife's response, Ilena created a permanent werb page about
her.=

> > Jan latched onto this, and has reposted it at least
10,000 tim=
es. > > Compare that shit with what you are whining
about. &=
gt; > > I said it sounded like something you would write/
do.

> > You sent it to her pretending it was actually from your
wife. =
> > No, my wife sent it to her. She wrote it in haste, as she
was =
pissed > off at Ilena's crap. > > > What
about inf=
iltrating Ilena's support group?

> > I have explained this 100000000 times. This will be the
last t=
ime. > > In 2002 my son was scheduled to have his
implanted Int=
rathecal > Baclofen pump replaced and I mentioned it in a
newsgroup. =
Years

> before, when he first had his implant, I mentioned that we were
so =
> thrilled with the results, I bought stock in the company
that > =
manufactured it.Shortly after I mentioned the upcoming replacement 
> surgery =A0began receiving anonymous emails wishing him ill. The
email=
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> sounded like they were coming from people who were being
fed > i=
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investigating, &g=
t; and attempted to join her group...not todisrupt it, as Ilena and
Jan

> have claimed, but to see if I was a target, as I had been in
the &g=
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I &=
gt; was doing and why. Ilena claimed that I did not receive the emails
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your=
posting personal info about Jan? > > You have notg been
readin=
g very carefully. I have never posted > anything of a personal
nature=
about Jan. While she feels free topost

> about my family and my business, post what she believes is my
home =
> address and my business address, I have *never* done that to her.
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r>> fact, there was one episode a few years ago where someone
called her=

> trailer trash, and I objected to that perjorative. IIRC, she
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gt; thanked me. > > > I have never posted personal info
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t you. > > You REPEAT Jan's comments about me.
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is giving her antics

> the imprimatur of approval. > > > I've never
provde=
d links to the web pages that > > contain info about you.
It's=
out there and I have read it. > > True. However, see
above. Yo=
u do not have to do everything that she

> does to encourage her. > > > If you look at the
history=
of the articles I post in various groups > > you will see
that I =
have posted numerous articles concerning > > Christian
fanaticism,=
violence, and hate/prejudice that I used as

> > examples of mental disease. > > I do not follow
peopl=
e around Usenet (Jan does). I also disagree with > you about
that bei=
ng mental disease. > > > The Rabbi dealing in illegal
transp=
lant organs was involved in

> > a ring that included MD's. This article did not include
the i=
nfo > > that the previous article included. I am hoping to
find an=
other > > indepth article that gives more info. This article
was p=
osted as

> > an example of medical fraud and greed. > > For
what p=
urpose? If it were to trash conventional medical practice, >
then you=
are essentially engaging in a form of ad hominem. > > The
othe=
r article

> > > dealt with the organ trade and the future
possibility of =
people > > legally selling organs.- > > I'll
retra=
ct, for the time being, my earlier comments, and take a wait >
and se=
e attitude. BTW, when Jan's anti-semitism reared its ugly
head,

> I attempted to explain to her how offensive her comments were.
She =
> defended her use of anti-semetic perjoratives, e.g. "Jew-
Boy&quot=
; and > would not acknowledge her inproper behavior. In fact,
she wen=
t

> further, even after it was pointed out to her that her actions
were<br=
>> highly offensive. I never reciprocated.- Hide quoted text - ><b=
r>> - Show quoted text - </div>

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Subject: Jan's Ability to Analyze Evidence
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Rich wrote:
> "JanD" <J...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> news:rWCdf.539581$_o.12688@attbi_s71...
>
>>"Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>news:B%Adf.12950$oP5...@fe09.lga...
>>
>>>http://www.spiked-online.com/Printable/0000000CAE57.htm
>>>
>>>A recent Cochrane systematic review concluded that there was 'no credibl=
e

>>>evidence'
>>
>>ROTFLOL! My. my, what would we do woithout those words?
>>
>>ZZzz.
>>
>>*Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut* *reasonable*
>>*significant* *credibile* *compelling* *copious* *direct* *unreliable*
>>
>
>
> SUBSTANTIAL. Yes, evidence should be substantial, though Jan prefers such
> flimsy evidence as anecdote, which she calls "personal experience.
>
> REAL. Science deals with the real world, not the fantasy world of magical
> thinking that Jan lives in.
>
> SOLID. Solid evidence trumps the etherial every time, but Jan avoids it.
>
> CONVINCING. Jan is convinced only by whatever agrees with her prejudices
and
> fantasies, and she never lets facts interfere.
>
> HARD. Why would Jan ever look for hard evidence? It might conflict with
the
> hearsay and anecdote that supports her silly ideas.
>
> CLEAR-CUT. Jan likes fuzzy better.
>
> REASONABLE. Anything reasonable, Jan declares to be a LIE.
>
> SIGNIFICANT. Jan prefers the unimportant and negligible.
>
> CREDIBLE. Jan's credulity is legendary; she'll believe anything
> "alternative," even if it doesn't pass the giggle test.
>
> COMPELLING. Jan refuses to be compelled, resisting with foot-stamping
> stubbornness the most reliable of evidence.
>
> COPIUS. Why accept copious evidence when there are articles that support
> Jan's contrary anti-science views at whaleto and other whacko sites?
>
> DIRECT. Jan likes vague better. I prevents her being pinned down.
>
> UNRELIABLE. At last Jan lists the kind of research she likes best.

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Rich wrote: > "JanD" <<a
href=3D"mailto:JanD@insightb=
b.com">J...@insightbb.com</a>> wrote in message > <a
href=3D"news=
:rWCdf.539581$_o.12688@attbi_s71">news:rWCdf.539581$_o.
12688@attbi_s71</a>.=
..
 > >>"Mark Probert" <<a
href=3D"mailto:markpro=
b...@lumbercartel.com">markprob...@lumbercartel.com</a>> wrote in
messag=
e >>news:B%Adf.
12950$oP5...@fe09.lga... >> >>&=
gt;
<a href=3D"http://www.spiked-online.com/Printable/
0000000CAE57.htm">http://=
www.spiked-online.com/Printable/0000000CAE57.htm</a> >>> &gt=
;>>A recent Cochrane systematic review concluded that there was
'no c=
redible=20
 >>>evidence' >> >>ROTFLOL! My. my, what
woul=
d we do woithout those words?
 >> >>ZZzz. >> &=
gt;>*Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut*
*reason=
able*
 >>*significant* *credibile* *compelling* *copious*
*direct* =
*unreliable* >> > > > SUBSTANTIAL. Yes,
evide=
nce should be substantial, though Jan prefers such > flimsy
evidence=
as anecdote, which she calls "personal experience.
 > > REAL. Science deals with the real world, not the
fantasy =
world of magical > thinking that Jan lives in. > >
SOLI=
D. Solid evidence trumps the etherial every time, but Jan avoids
it. 
> > CONVINCING. Jan is convinced only by whatever agrees
with her=
prejudices and > fantasies, and she never lets facts
interfere. =
> > HARD. Why would Jan ever look for hard evidence? It
might con=
flict with the=20
 > hearsay and anecdote that supports her silly ideas. >
 &g=
t; CLEAR-CUT. Jan likes fuzzy better. > > REASONABLE.
Anything=
reasonable, Jan declares to be a LIE. > > SIGNIFICANT.
Jan pr=
efers the unimportant and negligible.
 > > CREDIBLE. Jan's credulity is legendary; she'll
believe an=
ything > "alternative," even if it doesn't pass the
giggle=
test. > > COMPELLING. Jan refuses to be compelled,
resisting =
with foot-stamping=20
 > stubbornness the most reliable of evidence. > >
COPIU=
S. Why accept copious evidence when there are articles that support
 &gt=
; Jan's contrary anti-science views at whaleto and other whacko sites?
 
> > DIRECT. Jan likes vague better. I prevents her being
pinned d=
own. > > UNRELIABLE. At last Jan lists the kind of
research sh=
e likes best.

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Mark Probert

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Dec 11, 2009, 8:54:51 AM12/11/09

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On Dec 11, 1:41 am, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
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>
>

Good morning, Moron.

You say I am childish? Bullshit. I am merely pulling some of your
stunts, which you seem not to like have done to you.

I do not bring your family in the newsgroup. I do not post your home
address or phone number. I do not post your business number.

I keep the discussion right here. YOU DO NOT.

Jan Drew

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> Mark,

> The other article

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>>>http://www.spiked-online.com/Printable/0000000CAE57.htm

e

>>>evidence'

>>ZZzz.

href=3D"mailto:JanD@insightb=

12950$oP5....@fe09.lga... >> >>&=

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Jan Drew

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Dec 26, 2009, 5:47:55 PM12/26/09

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Jan Drew

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Dec 26, 2009, 5:54:36 PM12/26/09

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On Dec 11, 8:54�am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:

Proof please.

Unlike you, I have proof that you just lied again.

On Dec 5, 11:59 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 5, 12:32 am, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:

> > Return-Path: <mark.prob...@gmail.com>

> Incomprehensive cut and paste deleted.

Restored the truth which Mark cannot stand because he proves himself
to be a harasser and hypocrite.

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From: Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com>
To: Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com>

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On Nov 24, 11:59 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:

> Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
> Results 1 - 10 of about 1,690 for Mark Probert dumbass. (0.58 seconds)

So many dumbasses, so little time.

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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.health/msg/b9006c88e91c1463

From: "Mark Probert" <mark_probertREMOVEGARB...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 07:42:43 -0400
Local: Thurs, Jul 18 2002 6:42 am
Subject: Dear Judy:

When I opened my email last night I was surprised to find some
unsolicited
email from you. I was truly hoping that you had decided to provide
the
documentation of Mannatech's safety and efficacy that you said
existed.

However, I was somewhat dismayed to find email that would make even a
crusty
old Marine drill sgt. blush.

I thought you wee, at least, a lady. It saddens me to have to write
to
you
in such a public manner, but, you have earned this.

DO NOT EMAIL ME AGAIN.

If you do, such email constitutes harassment, and I will not suffer
it
in
silence. I did not complain to your company, ISP, etc. However, such
behavior on your part will generate a complaint from me.

If you have something to say, keep it public.

Mark Probert

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Dec 26, 2009, 7:47:40 PM12/26/09

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On Dec 26, 5:54 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Dec 11, 8:54 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:

You had to go back more than two weeks to find this? Must be raining
in Tampa.

Anyway,

A Joyous Kwanzaa to you.

Jan Drew

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Dec 27, 2009, 3:50:50 AM12/27/09

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On Dec 26, 7:47�pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> again

> On Dec 26, 5:54�pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:

Wrote what?

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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.health/msg/b9006c88e91c1463

Mark Probert

On Dec 11, 8:54 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=J71VrRYAAADMPmQu51nB...

> Good morning, Moron.

Proof please.

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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.health/msg/b9006c88e91c1463

Mark Probert

>

> > On Dec 11, 8:54 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You had to go back more than two weeks to find this? Must be raining
> in Tampa.

I wouldn't know. I am not there.

You done making a fool or yourself, yet?

Mark Probert

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Dec 27, 2009, 6:32:53 PM12/27/09

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On Dec 27, 3:50 am, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:

Snipo!

You had to go back more than two weeks to find this? Must be raining

in Bloomington.

Anyway,

A Joyous Kwanzaa and Happy New Year to you.

Ken

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Dec 30, 2009, 10:55:11 AM12/30/09

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Amazin' that he/she/it has so much time to waste posting such
irrelevant Bravo Sierra!

Mark Probert

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Dec 30, 2009, 2:15:31 PM12/30/09

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Jan spends even more time roaming through the GoogleGroups archives
hunting what she considers to be "dirt" on me, and anyone else she
does not like. It seems like she spends hours per day hunting.

She even thinks (I use that word for want of a better one), that the
camp one of my sons attends is somehow evil. You commented in that
thread.