Curious...When Would You Quit?
NYC XYZ
Hi, All:
Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it
existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit
with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and
cookies and whatnot.
I know, I know...no one enjoys a heart attack, etc. But, you see, what
gets me so much is knowing that I'm getting less and less of a return
on my investment as I get older, the investment being the hours at the
gym, the intensity of the workouts, the attention to details when it
comes to a healthy diet, etc. I could do twice the work I did ten
years ago and yet get only half the result, it seems! So what the
hell...why not enjoy the food, blah blah blah....
I don't mean totally abandoning exercise and careful eating, but I mean
significantly allowing for a much more generous intake of sweets and
fats and whatever else tastes good, and for going to the movies or
something instead of hitting the gym...see, this "spartan" lifestyle is
getting annoying as I consider that, from a "cost analysis" POV, I
could get more enjoyment out of being lazy, for lack of a better term,
than I do from being careful and working out and all that but with
wasting away with age anyway....
And yes I've read reports that continued healthy living makes an old
fella's heart behave like a sedentary young guy's, etc. -- but still,
you know what I'm asking....
Anyway, just wondering if anyone's had to face this "moment of doubt"
yet and how you've resolved it to yourself...I don't mean the little
moments of doubt that come with not being in the mood for something; I
mean a really big one, when you're just like, what's the point?
Like me, I've pulled a muscle and almost have to limp now; I'm hoping
it'll go away...and like an injury/set-back, it makes me wonder what
the hell I'm doing...I mean, I enjoy intense workouts, I hate boring
drudgery kind of workouts, and yet now that I'm all of 33 going onto 85
I can't just hop on the track and run or stack up the rack and
heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's
always celebrating something around here....
David
"NYC XYZ" <jack_fo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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If we all had the same attitudes and mind set, then everyone would be slim
and muscular. What a world that would be! Because if we all looked great how
would you stand out which is the whole point of looking great. I think that
your post reflects a popular view and that is why we have slobs. And that is
a good thing.
Charles
wrote:
I know exactly how you feel, and I have actually given in to the sheer
joy of hedonism on more than one occasion, for many of the reasons you
mention above.
However, unfortunately, the weight is unforgiving and will just keep
piling on. If you have any pride, that just becomes unacceptable, and
the reality is that you will have to exercise and control caloric
intake for the rest of your life.
Of course that's only if you want to maintain a healthy lifestyle,
where you remain active, independent, postpone the effects of aging
and don't want to look like a slack sack of shit tied in the middle.
Sorry!! ;o)
Piezo Guru
all. The important part is to realize it is only temporary.
I have given it up much of it but some of the men have to stay trim. My wife
needs a male image to masturbate to.
See the post below with 100 tips. There is some sense and some real garbage
in it though.
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David
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Wish I could have thought of that - 'a slack sack of shit tied in the
middle' - that's great Charles!
Jim Ranieri
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33? Dude, are you even shaving yet? Take a break for a week or 2 and see if
you feel better - if not, go see a doctor.
David
My plan for him would be . . . (as he is only 33 years old) - is to make a
pig of himself say for a 5 year period - that puts him up to 38 - say he
increases his weight by only 1 lb per week - so at a guess that would make
him around 425 lbs - a nice big strapping guy. Then if he is unhappy with
his body he is still young enough to change things around.
tony kujawa
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Really, I'm 34 and it sounded like he was in his 50's or something. Relax
for a few days man, go put on a good drunk and gorge yourself.
Per Elmsäter
> Snipped a bunch of whining kid stuff
> I could do twice the
> work I did ten years ago and yet get only half the result, it seems!
Unfortunately it works the other way around too. Unhealthy living does twice
the damage it did when we were twenty ;(
--
Perre
I gave up on SPAM and redirected it to hotmail instead.
slotm...@hotmail.com
> Hi, All:
>
> Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it
> existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just
quit
> with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and
> cookies and whatnot.
When I'm dead. Hopefully that won't be for another 60 years or so.
> I know, I know...no one enjoys a heart attack, etc. But, you see,
what
> gets me so much is knowing that I'm getting less and less of a return
> on my investment as I get older, the investment being the hours at
the
> gym, the intensity of the workouts, the attention to details when it
> comes to a healthy diet, etc. I could do twice the work I did ten
> years ago and yet get only half the result, it seems! So what the
> hell...why not enjoy the food, blah blah blah....
>
The investment being hours at the gym, as opposed to what? Hours in
front of the TV? I know that how I feel after 1.5 hours in the weight
room, or after a 5-6 mile run is worth the investment. Sitting in front
of the TV for half an hour makes me feel like a depressed, bloated sack
of shit.
> I don't mean totally abandoning exercise and careful eating, but I
mean
> significantly allowing for a much more generous intake of sweets and
> fats and whatever else tastes good, and for going to the movies or
> something instead of hitting the gym...see, this "spartan" lifestyle
is
> getting annoying as I consider that, from a "cost analysis" POV, I
> could get more enjoyment out of being lazy, for lack of a better
term,
> than I do from being careful and working out and all that but with
> wasting away with age anyway....
>
The problem with the "much more generous intake of...whatever else
tastes good" and "....something instead of hitting the gym" is, it gets
easier and easier to do, and harder and harder to hit the gym. Before
you know it, you find yourself asking what the point is of hitting the
gym at all.
> And yes I've read reports that continued healthy living makes an old
> fella's heart behave like a sedentary young guy's, etc. -- but still,
> you know what I'm asking....
>
Every time my wife and I visit her grandmother, who at 82, literally
needs help to get to the bathroom, and can't do anything more strenuous
than sit in front of the TV, it answers the question of "what's the
point?" No, at 82 I'm not going to be in the same shape that I'm in
now, but I'm sure that my quality of life is going to be much better
than her's is now. I'm willing to forego the cheeseburgers, chips, and
a couple of nights at the movies now so I can enjoy my later years with
some dignity.
> Anyway, just wondering if anyone's had to face this "moment of doubt"
> yet and how you've resolved it to yourself...I don't mean the little
> moments of doubt that come with not being in the mood for something;
I
> mean a really big one, when you're just like, what's the point?
>
In almost 25 years of working out regularly, I've had to face "moments
of doubt" many times. There are still days when I wonder why I do this.
Especially days when I'm supposed to go run and it's about 20 degrees,
freezing rain, and dark. Most of the time, the dread disappears after
the first mile (or the first set of squats). Sometimes, I take a day
off. Most of the time though, I find it's become easier to work out
than not. And usually if I take more than 2 days in a row off, I'm
depressed, edgy, and no fun to be around.
> Like me, I've pulled a muscle and almost have to limp now; I'm hoping
> it'll go away...and like an injury/set-back, it makes me wonder what
> the hell I'm doing...I mean, I enjoy intense workouts, I hate boring
> drudgery kind of workouts, and yet now that I'm all of 33 going onto
85
> I can't just hop on the track and run or stack up the rack and
> heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's
> always celebrating something around here....
I'm 44, and I've had quite a few injuries. When at 36, I was diagnosed
with Plantar Fasciaitis after going to the doctor with chronic aching
feet, I was told I should stop running. When at 39, I tore my lateral
miniscus after falling on a slippery sidewalk, I was told I probably
wouldn't be able to run anymore. At 40, when I went to the doctor with
chronic pain in my wrists from repetitive strain injury (I work in the
IT field)I was told to stop lifting weights. I ignored their "advice"
and made adjustments to my training, with some self-treatment added and
though far from pain-free, feel a lot better than I would have if I had
taken their "advice."
In my job, I sit in front of a computer for 8-10 hours a day. Somebody
is always bringing in donuts or something, and there are frequent
"celebrations" for birthdays and other occasions that include cake and
ice cream. The cake looks good, especially around 3:00 when your blood
sugar is dropping and you could use something sweet - until I see one
of my many corpulent co-workers waddling out of the breakroom with an
enormous plate of cake and ice cream. That alone is enough for me to
pass on the cake.
In the end, I guess it comes down to what your priorities are.
Slotman
Charles
wrote:
It does have a rather novel earthiness, and was a quite common
description of a fat person used by Royal Navy sailors!! ;o)
Larisa
NYC XYZ wrote:
> Hi, All:
>
> Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it
> existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just
quit
> with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and
> cookies and whatnot.
>
I wonder - am I the only one who actually enjoys working out? I
actually like lifting weights. Even when I think I really don't feel
like it, when I'm tired or whatever, my mood always perks up when I get
to the gym. Or, as in the present case, when I pick up my dumbbells.
Really, that's the reason I exercise. Yeah, it's nice to reduce my
heart attack risk, yeah it's nice to improve my bone density, blah blah
blah - but really, I exercise because I like it. It's not a penance,
it's an indulgence.
Is there nothing you like about exercise? Maybe you need a break?
Maybe change the way you exercise? Maybe exercise less?
LM
Kevin J. Coolidge
"NYC XYZ" <jack_fo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
break, you sound burned out
Adam Fahy
> Hi, All:
>
> Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it
> existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit
> with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and
> cookies and whatnot.
I exercise, diet, etc so that I *can* enjoy those things.
-Adam
NYC XYZ
David wrote:
>
>
>
> If we all had the same attitudes and mind set, then everyone would be
slim
> and muscular. What a world that would be! Because if we all looked
great how
> would you stand out which is the whole point of looking great. I
think that
> your post reflects a popular view and that is why we have slobs. And
that is
> a good thing.
You do raise an interesting point, that of vainity: but once you've
done it, once you've achieved "it" in your own eyes, to your own
satisfaction, what's left?
My whole thing was about being a man, seeing if I could do it, etc. --
but now that it's been there done that (as far as what I'd wanted,
anyway), what's left?
I mean, as you get older and older, those muscles, etc., just won't be
responding the same, and then you wonder what's the big deal
anyway...it's not like having big muscles saves you from anything in
life...it's just vainity -- the health, I think, is a close second for
us, but not the prime, or at least original, motivation -- so...once
you've proved your manhood or whatever to yourself, etc., what next?
I mean, do you anticipate working out for the rest of your life? Not
at the same pace, though, right? Etc.
Preacher
> Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it
> existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit
> with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and
> cookies and whatnot.
>
> I know, I know...no one enjoys a heart attack, etc. But, you see, what
> gets me so much is knowing that I'm getting less and less of a return
> on my investment as I get older, the investment being the hours at the
> gym, the intensity of the workouts, the attention to details when it
> comes to a healthy diet, etc. I could do twice the work I did ten
> years ago and yet get only half the result, it seems! So what the
> hell...why not enjoy the food, blah blah blah....
>
> I don't mean totally abandoning exercise and careful eating, but I mean
> significantly allowing for a much more generous intake of sweets and
> fats and whatever else tastes good, and for going to the movies or
> something instead of hitting the gym...see, this "spartan" lifestyle is
> getting annoying as I consider that, from a "cost analysis" POV, I
> could get more enjoyment out of being lazy, for lack of a better term,
> than I do from being careful and working out and all that but with
> wasting away with age anyway....
Maybe you should consider changing your training style. If you've been
living a spartan lifestyle and spending hours in the gym, to the point
where you don't have time to do other things, you could try the
hardgainer style training, using full body workouts maybe twice a week.
That would allow for an outside life, and might give you the recovery
time you need. More isn't necessarily better.
As for your eating habits, it's up to you and your goals, but why not
splurge occasionally? It's not a question of all or nothing. I think you
can enjoy all sorts of foods -- in moderation, on occasion. If what you
want to do is pig out on burgers, cookies, and everything else, get
comfortable with being fat.
NYC XYZ
Charles wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I know exactly how you feel, and I have actually given in to the
sheer
> joy of hedonism on more than one occasion, for many of the reasons
you
> mention above.
And you know something else: being hedonistic feels so freakin' young!!
'Cause it's so reckless it feels like you're reliving your youth or
something, whereas with exercise you gotta be careful, etc., and if
anything you seem to feel your age more!
> However, unfortunately, the weight is unforgiving and will just keep
> piling on. If you have any pride, that just becomes unacceptable, and
> the reality is that you will have to exercise and control caloric
> intake for the rest of your life.
Well, that's just the thing, then: is mere vainity or "pride" worth so
much bother??
And I'm naturally V-shaped; I'll always look good for my age --
especially considering that I look 5 yrs. younger than my age. I don't
need exercise to look "good"...and I'm now wondering whether the
sacrifice (and, again, due to my age now, the increased risk of pulling
this or breaking that) is worth it to look "great," but less and less
so with age.
I mean, I see these old guys in the gym, and I used to be inspired by
that...now I'm wondering, boy, what's the sense in showing up to do
your little 15 lb. curls or whatever they're up to??
> Of course that's only if you want to maintain a healthy lifestyle,
> where you remain active, independent, postpone the effects of aging
> and don't want to look like a slack sack of shit tied in the middle.
>
> Sorry!! ;o)
I'm not worried about looks...and who am I trying to impress, anyway?
But that's another topic.
Believe me, if I looked half-way like a couch potato, I think I'd enjoy
my munchies...as it is, I think it's a kind of guilt I have that makes
me work out, guilt that I should keep things up while I can.
Larisa
>
> I mean, I see these old guys in the gym, and I used to be inspired by
> that...now I'm wondering, boy, what's the sense in showing up to do
> your little 15 lb. curls or whatever they're up to??
>
Staying out of the nursing home, perhaps? Keeping their bodies and
brains in good working order? Keeping themselves from breaking a hip
getting out of bed? Sounds kinda important to me.
LM
David
>
> David wrote:
> >
> >
> > My plan for him would be . . . (as he is only 33 years old) - is to
> make a
> > pig of himself say for a 5 year period - that puts him up to 38 - say
> he
> > increases his weight by only 1 lb per week - so at a guess that would
> make
> > him around 425 lbs - a nice big strapping guy. Then if he is unhappy
> with
> > his body he is still young enough to change things around.
>
>
> think I'm bragging here, I admit that I do realize how "average" is
> really the baseline, or ought to be, as far as health and fitness is
> concerned -- 'cause I could still do a bit more than Army standards.
>
> What I'm wondering is "why" now, what for...I'm not getting the same
> amount of joy out of it anymore -- now that I don't care as much how
> big my muscles are, now that I'm pulling muscles left and right, etc.
> -- so what is the point?
>
> One could still be "healthy" and not "work out"...is it just a matter
> of "pride," of vainity??
My theory is that wanting to have a good looking body is not vanity at all -
or pride - the vast majority of guys who work out is that they want to pull
the chicks. To feel comfortable naked with a woman. They probably feel
embarassed about having a gut or whatever. If that doesn't apply to you and
big muscles aren't important - then maybe you just need to be conscious of
your diet and not put on much weight - play some sport to keep a modicum of
fitness
NYC XYZ
tony kujawa wrote:
>
>
>
> Really, I'm 34 and it sounded like he was in his 50's or something.
Relax
> for a few days man, go put on a good drunk and gorge yourself.
Well, I did say 33 going on 85...you see, I was Army infantry for two
years, and not one damned problem (well, a hairline fracture, but
that's it). I was much younger then, too, but you see what I
mean...I'd never been injured before, such that...well, I dunno, such
that I feel like I gotta be careful...it's just too weird.
I'm not in crutches or anything here, but I'm just wondering, damn,
what the hell was I doing running so fast and furiously anyway...and
that makes me wonder well what am I doing with all this other stuff,
getting "tennis elbow" and whatnot....
Anyway, I just hate this feeling of waiting for the other shoe to
drop...like, what's next, you know? I used to warm up with benching
225 by myself; now I ask for a spot, just in case.
NYC XYZ
David wrote:
>
>
> My plan for him would be . . . (as he is only 33 years old) - is to
make a
> pig of himself say for a 5 year period - that puts him up to 38 - say
he
> increases his weight by only 1 lb per week - so at a guess that would
make
> him around 425 lbs - a nice big strapping guy. Then if he is unhappy
with
> his body he is still young enough to change things around.
Roger Zoul
Go back to the drawing broad and relearn how to train properly. Or maybe
just learn it for the first time.
::
:: One could still be "healthy" and not "work out"...is it just a matter
:: of "pride," of vainity??
You can certainly not be fat and not workout. You can probably even be
healthy and not workout. I'm not sure that lifting ensures you'll stay
healthy, anyway. In fact, eating a so-called proper diet is no guarantee
that you'll stay healthy. You can do everything right and still get cancer.
Life's a crapshoot. But you can plan for a successful & fulfilling life -
and hope you get it.
NYC XYZ
slotm...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
>
>
> The investment being hours at the gym, as opposed to what? Hours in
> front of the TV? I know that how I feel after 1.5 hours in the weight
> room, or after a 5-6 mile run is worth the investment. Sitting in
front
> of the TV for half an hour makes me feel like a depressed, bloated
sack
> of shit.
I don't watch TV, so that's not what I'd meant.
I do feel good after having worked out...it's the actual working out
that's starting to lose its appeal, finally. I'm no longer very much
concerned about my image and my looks, no longer care about my
"manhood" and so forth, so I'm just like...what's the point? I don't
mean just keel over and have a heart attack now; I mean that I can stay
healthy without the gym -- I bicycle, am physically active. The gym
was always about looking big and seeing if I could make the cut. I was
just wondering if anyone else had some other reason for hitting the
gym.
> The problem with the "much more generous intake of...whatever else
> tastes good" and "....something instead of hitting the gym" is, it
gets
> easier and easier to do, and harder and harder to hit the gym. Before
> you know it, you find yourself asking what the point is of hitting
the
> gym at all.
Hmm, well, I've never had that problem, but then again I never got hurt
before either, so I suppose there really is a first time for
everything. But so far, if I don't exercise (I mean hitting the gym,
as opposed to "just" playing ball or bicycling and such) for more than
two weeks, my body start screaming for it, I can't stop shaking my
knee, etc.
> Every time my wife and I visit her grandmother, who at 82, literally
> needs help to get to the bathroom, and can't do anything more
strenuous
> than sit in front of the TV, it answers the question of "what's the
> point?"
I used to think this way, too, but then I realized that there are many
old folks who are in good general health (no meds, can walk on own
power, etc.) who do not work out, etc. (save for walking around).
> No, at 82 I'm not going to be in the same shape that I'm in
> now, but I'm sure that my quality of life is going to be much better
> than her's is now. I'm willing to forego the cheeseburgers, chips,
and
> a couple of nights at the movies now so I can enjoy my later years
with
> some dignity.
But see, that's just the thing: is her condition due to cheeseburgers,
etc.? 'Cause so many old fogies also enjoy their cheeseburgers, coffee
-- even cigars -- and they weren't on some Jack LaLane or Charles Atlas
program as kids (I know 'cause I used to work at a White Castle with a
regular clientele in the mornings).
> In almost 25 years of working out regularly, I've had to face
"moments
> of doubt" many times. There are still days when I wonder why I do
this.
> Especially days when I'm supposed to go run and it's about 20
degrees,
> freezing rain, and dark.
Right, well, those are probably just "glimpses" as opposed to the
full-blown version of existential angst.
> Most of the time, the dread disappears after
> the first mile (or the first set of squats).
Ah, see, this is it: it's starting to take more and more time for this
"dread" or sense of "ugh" to wear off.
> Sometimes, I take a day
> off. Most of the time though, I find it's become easier to work out
> than not. And usually if I take more than 2 days in a row off, I'm
> depressed, edgy, and no fun to be around.
Yes, that's been true for me, too...but now that I seem to be getting
injured much more easily (I practically never had any injuries before),
well, that's depressing too...so if I sound depressed, well, it's
really my hamstrings and tennis elbow talking....
> I'm 44, and I've had quite a few injuries. When at 36, I was
diagnosed
> with Plantar Fasciaitis after going to the doctor with chronic aching
> feet, I was told I should stop running. When at 39, I tore my lateral
> miniscus after falling on a slippery sidewalk, I was told I probably
> wouldn't be able to run anymore. At 40, when I went to the doctor
with
> chronic pain in my wrists from repetitive strain injury (I work in
the
> IT field)I was told to stop lifting weights. I ignored their "advice"
> and made adjustments to my training, with some self-treatment added
and
> though far from pain-free, feel a lot better than I would have if I
had
> taken their "advice."
Wow -- my hat's off to you, for sure. Hmm...apparently your injuries
started in your late thirties...shit, is this what I'm looking forward
to now...damn.
> In my job, I sit in front of a computer for 8-10 hours a day.
Yeah, me too. If I'm an internet troll, it's 'cause I'm pissed off
having to sit here losing my sight! Hopefully I'll get that other
position, a manual labor position, but paying much more!
Damned 21st Century post-industrial economy....
> Somebody
> is always bringing in donuts or something, and there are frequent
> "celebrations" for birthdays and other occasions that include cake
and
> ice cream. The cake looks good, especially around 3:00 when your
blood
> sugar is dropping and you could use something sweet - until I see one
> of my many corpulent co-workers waddling out of the breakroom with an
> enormous plate of cake and ice cream. That alone is enough for me to
> pass on the cake.
Geez, how could you think about heart disease at a time like
this...that soft, fluffy cake....
> In the end, I guess it comes down to what your priorities are.
>
> Slotman
Well, are there any *positive* motivations besides vainity? Seems like
all the good reasons are "negative" -- disease, etc.
Scott Johnson
> Anyway, I just hate this feeling of waiting for the other shoe to
> drop...like, what's next, you know? I used to warm up with benching
> 225 by myself; now I ask for a spot, just in case.
Kill yourself now while you're still strong enough
to pull the trigger.
--
Scott Johnson / scottjohnson at kc dot rr dot com
GaryG
news:399843F...@individual.net...
> GaryG wrote:
> > FWIW, I'm 52 and I'll be in Colorado in June for a week of bicycling
> > - 435 miles, with 27,000 feet of climbing, two crossings of the
> > Continental Divide, and sleeping in a tent each night. Having been
>
> I'm 54 and I'm really jealous of that. The most I'll get to do this summer
> is a puny 760 km of cycling in six days on rolling hills. No climbs longer
> than ten minutes. Sheeeesh.
>
> --
> Perre
> I gave up on SPAM and redirected it to hotmail instead.
>
Well, 760 km in 6 days, is a pretty good ride too...but, I do really like
the challenge of big climbs in big mountains.
This summer's ride is the Bicycle Tour of Colorado (
http://www.bicycletourcolorado.com/ ), and this will be the 4th time I've
ridden it (the route is different each year). It's a beautiful,
challenging, and inexpensive tour, and if you ever want to experience the
beauty of the Colorado Rocky Mountains, or the thrill of passing cars at 55
mph going down a twisting mountain road, it's not to be missed.
I've posted photo galleries of my previous Colorado rides on my website:
http://www.shastasoftware.com/CycliStats/biketours/BTC2003/BTC0017.htm
http://www.shastasoftware.com/CycliStats/biketours/BTC2002/BTC2002_1.htm
http://www.shastasoftware.com/CycliStats/biketours/BTC2001/BTC2001_1.htm
GG
The Queen of Cans and Jars
> NYC XYZ wrote:
>
> > Anyway, I just hate this feeling of waiting for the other shoe to
> > drop...like, what's next, you know? I used to warm up with benching
> > 225 by myself; now I ask for a spot, just in case.
>
> Kill yourself now while you're still strong enough
> to pull the trigger.
Seriously. What a waste of space.
Per Elmsäter
You are a lost case. Welcome back to the gym when you've turned 50. If you
can still make it out the door ;(
Per Elmsäter
> FWIW, I'm 52 and I'll be in Colorado in June for a week of bicycling
> - 435 miles, with 27,000 feet of climbing, two crossings of the
> Continental Divide, and sleeping in a tent each night. Having been
I'm 54 and I'm really jealous of that. The most I'll get to do this summer
is a puny 760 km of cycling in six days on rolling hills. No climbs longer
than ten minutes. Sheeeesh.
--
Roger Zoul
:: Charles wrote:
:::
:::
:::
:::
::: I know exactly how you feel, and I have actually given in to the
::: sheer joy of hedonism on more than one occasion, for many of the
::: reasons you mention above.
::
:: And you know something else: being hedonistic feels so freakin'
:: young!! 'Cause it's so reckless it feels like you're reliving your
:: youth or something, whereas with exercise you gotta be careful,
:: etc., and if anything you seem to feel your age more!
::
::: However, unfortunately, the weight is unforgiving and will just keep
::: piling on. If you have any pride, that just becomes unacceptable,
::: and the reality is that you will have to exercise and control
::: caloric intake for the rest of your life.
::
:: Well, that's just the thing, then: is mere vainity or "pride" worth
:: so much bother??
::
:: And I'm naturally V-shaped; I'll always look good for my age --
:: especially considering that I look 5 yrs. younger than my age. I
:: don't need exercise to look "good"...and I'm now wondering whether
:: the sacrifice (and, again, due to my age now, the increased risk of
:: pulling this or breaking that) is worth it to look "great," but less
:: and less so with age.
There is no need to rish pulling this or breaking that. You're just sloppy.
Work on form and learn to do movements. Don't continue to failure.
::
:: I mean, I see these old guys in the gym, and I used to be inspired by
:: that...now I'm wondering, boy, what's the sense in showing up to do
:: your little 15 lb. curls or whatever they're up to??
Not being completely fat. Having strong bones that won't break if a 5-yo
girl bumps into you.
::
::: Of course that's only if you want to maintain a healthy lifestyle,
::: where you remain active, independent, postpone the effects of aging
::: and don't want to look like a slack sack of shit tied in the middle.
:::
::: Sorry!! ;o)
::
:: I'm not worried about looks...and who am I trying to impress, anyway?
:: But that's another topic.
::
:: Believe me, if I looked half-way like a couch potato, I think I'd
:: enjoy my munchies...as it is, I think it's a kind of guilt I have
:: that makes me work out, guilt that I should keep things up while I
:: can.
Tomorrow will come anyway. You can either be fat & weak or not be. Your
choice.
GaryG
>
> Hi, All:
>
> Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it
> existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit
> with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and
> cookies and whatnot.
>
> I know, I know...no one enjoys a heart attack, etc. But, you see, what
> gets me so much is knowing that I'm getting less and less of a return
> on my investment as I get older, the investment being the hours at the
> gym, the intensity of the workouts, the attention to details when it
> comes to a healthy diet, etc. I could do twice the work I did ten
> years ago and yet get only half the result, it seems! So what the
> hell...why not enjoy the food, blah blah blah....
>
> I don't mean totally abandoning exercise and careful eating, but I mean
> significantly allowing for a much more generous intake of sweets and
> fats and whatever else tastes good, and for going to the movies or
> something instead of hitting the gym...see, this "spartan" lifestyle is
> getting annoying as I consider that, from a "cost analysis" POV, I
> could get more enjoyment out of being lazy, for lack of a better term,
> than I do from being careful and working out and all that but with
> wasting away with age anyway....
>
> fella's heart behave like a sedentary young guy's, etc. -- but still,
> you know what I'm asking....
>
> Anyway, just wondering if anyone's had to face this "moment of doubt"
> yet and how you've resolved it to yourself...I don't mean the little
> moments of doubt that come with not being in the mood for something; I
> mean a really big one, when you're just like, what's the point?
>
> Like me, I've pulled a muscle and almost have to limp now; I'm hoping
> it'll go away...and like an injury/set-back, it makes me wonder what
> the hell I'm doing...I mean, I enjoy intense workouts, I hate boring
> drudgery kind of workouts, and yet now that I'm all of 33 going onto 85
> I can't just hop on the track and run or stack up the rack and
> heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's
> always celebrating something around here....
>
Would you like some cheese to go along with your whine???
Sheesh, you're only 33 years old and you're whining because you have an
owwie and you want to eat cake!? Get a grip, or find a different sport.
FWIW, I'm 52 and I'll be in Colorado in June for a week of bicycling - 435
miles, with 27,000 feet of climbing, two crossings of the Continental
Divide, and sleeping in a tent each night. Having been both fit and unfit at
different points in my life, I can assure you that staying fit beats the
hell out of the alternative, no matter how much work it takes.
So, stop your bitching, and use it or lose it...getting older isn't for
sissies.
GG
Roger Zoul
:: David wrote:
:::
:::
:::
::: If we all had the same attitudes and mind set, then everyone would
::: be slim and muscular. What a world that would be! Because if we all
::: looked great how would you stand out which is the whole point of
::: looking great. I think that your post reflects a popular view and
::: that is why we have slobs. And that is a good thing.
::
::
:: You do raise an interesting point, that of vainity: but once you've
:: done it, once you've achieved "it" in your own eyes, to your own
:: satisfaction, what's left?
::
:: My whole thing was about being a man, seeing if I could do it, etc.
:: -- but now that it's been there done that (as far as what I'd wanted,
:: anyway), what's left?
Get fat. You'll still make me look better! No one will remember the old
you, but they'll see the present me in comparison to the fat, sloppy, you.
hehe.
::
:: I mean, as you get older and older, those muscles, etc., just won't
:: be responding the same, and then you wonder what's the big deal
:: anyway...it's not like having big muscles saves you from anything in
:: life...it's just vainity -- the health, I think, is a close second
:: for us, but not the prime, or at least original, motivation --
:: so...once you've proved your manhood or whatever to yourself, etc.,
:: what next?
I have an uncle who looks really good at 71 - strong and even a bit scary.
He may not be what he once was or he may not be able to do what he once did,
but he looks better and can do more than a lot of much younger people.
::
:: I mean, do you anticipate working out for the rest of your life? Not
NYC XYZ
Jim Ranieri wrote:
>
>
> 33? Dude, are you even shaving yet? Take a break for a week or 2 and
see if
> you feel better - if not, go see a doctor.
I dunno, maybe I'm just superstitious now or something...I get cuts
that don't heal (big ol' ugly scars now, not like before when they just
disappear), I get cramps and pull muscles doing what I've always done
without even noticing I had muscles to use, and the fat does seem to
just hang around for good now.
Anyway, just wondering. I do still enjoy exercising, but now I'm
actually having these thoughts, whereas before I never even questioned
"why"....
NYC XYZ
Piezo Guru wrote:
> This is normal to have some depression following an injury. It
happens to us
> all. The important part is to realize it is only temporary.
Um, I sure hope so...every step with the left leg is almost
painful...pulled a "little part" of the left hamstring last fall, and
like two weeks ago I messed up my "butt joint," that thigh joint in the
ass...muscles there sore or something.
Damn...time to take up tai chi!
> I have given it up much of it but some of the men have to stay trim.
My wife
> needs a male image to masturbate to.
?
> See the post below with 100 tips. There is some sense and some real
garbage
> in it though.
You mean that other post, the 100 Things to Do? Yeah, I've read up to
34...some funny stuff, like recommending egg yolks (the cons outweigh
the pros on that, right?)....
Roger Zoul
:: Jim Ranieri wrote:
:::
:::
::: 33? Dude, are you even shaving yet? Take a break for a week or 2
::: and see if you feel better - if not, go see a doctor.
::
::
:: I dunno, maybe I'm just superstitious now or something...I get cuts
:: that don't heal (big ol' ugly scars now, not like before when they
:: just disappear), I get cramps and pull muscles doing what I've
:: always done without even noticing I had muscles to use, and the fat
:: does seem to just hang around for good now.
Cuts that don't heal, cramps and muscle pulls? Something is wrong with you,
dude. Go see a doctor, ASAP. You might have SD....what part of the country
do you live in?
::
:: Anyway, just wondering. I do still enjoy exercising, but now I'm
montygram
is oxidized is it a problem (even an AHA spokesman made that point
recently, in a Newsday newspaper article, for example). You can eat
all kinds of things, if you cook it properly (boiling is often best)
and stay away from unsaturated fatty acids (except in trace amounts,
such as in coconut oil), which are the primary cause of oxidative
stress in most people (lipid peroxidation).
Roger Zoul
Get a good road bike and start riding. It's fun.
Eric
> especially considering that I look 5 yrs. younger than my age. I
don't
> need exercise to look "good"...and I'm now wondering whether the
> sacrifice (and, again, due to my age now, the increased risk of
pulling
> this or breaking that) is worth it to look "great," but less and less
> so with age.
Spoiled rotten fucking crybaby. This is along the same lines as some
kid born with a silver spoon in his mouth asking, 'god why should I
bother working when my trust fund pays for everything anyway?'. This
troll either needs to stop being fed so much, or needs a good swift
kick in the ass. Personally I admire those guys with the 'wimpy 15 lb
curls' a shit load more than I do people who either juice or are born
with 'gifted genes'. Just the fact that you mentioned curls rather than
squats or deads speaks volumes to me.
Succorso
> Hi, All:
>
> Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it
> existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit
> with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and
> cookies and whatnot.
>
I often felt the same way when I stopped smoking. Thing is, I could
never get past the mantra I used:-
"I'd rather be 45 and wishing I could smoke, than 65 and wishing I hadn't".
My betting is, even if you fell back to "bad ways", when the inevitable
heart attack struck, you'd regret it. That's no way to check out IMHO.
--
Chris
Peter Allen
news:1110387469.3...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it
> existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit
> with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and
> cookies and whatnot.
>
> it'll go away...and like an injury/set-back, it makes me wonder what
> the hell I'm doing...I mean, I enjoy intense workouts, I hate boring
> drudgery kind of workouts, and yet now that I'm all of 33 going onto 85
> I can't just hop on the track and run or stack up the rack and
> heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's
> always celebrating something around here....
http://www.concept2.co.uk/birc/results_detail_2004.php?event=B14
That guy's damn near three times your age, and that time is not all that
slow - I'd guess a fairly significant fraction of 20-year-olds couldn't beat
it. Stop moaning.
Peter
Damion
eat a piece of cake, just don't eat the cake, work out when you have time..
with your perspective on it of a cost analysis, you don't need to be
bleeding edge to look and feel good.
to give you an example, i work out monday and wednesday nights, sometimes
saturday afternoons and walk everywhere unless in a rush. i eat tasty things
all the time and have 8% bodyfat.
"NYC XYZ" <jack_fo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1110387469.3...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
> Hi, All:
>
> Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it
> existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit
> with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and
> cookies and whatnot.
>
> I know, I know...no one enjoys a heart attack, etc. But, you see, what
> gets me so much is knowing that I'm getting less and less of a return
> on my investment as I get older, the investment being the hours at the
> gym, the intensity of the workouts, the attention to details when it
> comes to a healthy diet, etc. I could do twice the work I did ten
> years ago and yet get only half the result, it seems! So what the
> hell...why not enjoy the food, blah blah blah....
>
> I don't mean totally abandoning exercise and careful eating, but I mean
> significantly allowing for a much more generous intake of sweets and
> fats and whatever else tastes good, and for going to the movies or
> something instead of hitting the gym...see, this "spartan" lifestyle is
> getting annoying as I consider that, from a "cost analysis" POV, I
> could get more enjoyment out of being lazy, for lack of a better term,
> than I do from being careful and working out and all that but with
> wasting away with age anyway....
>
> And yes I've read reports that continued healthy living makes an old
> fella's heart behave like a sedentary young guy's, etc. -- but still,
> you know what I'm asking....
>
> Anyway, just wondering if anyone's had to face this "moment of doubt"
> yet and how you've resolved it to yourself...I don't mean the little
> moments of doubt that come with not being in the mood for something; I
> mean a really big one, when you're just like, what's the point?
>
Justin Case
wrote:
>
>Hi, All:
>
>Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it
>existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit
>with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and
>cookies and whatnot.
>
There's room for a piece or two of cake or a pizza or whatever.
It's not gonna kill you or set you back.
You may look better than the average old geezer as you lie waiting for
death but you'll be thinking: "I should've had that hot fudge sundae,
damn it!"
As far as performance as you age, you don't have to always go balls to
the wall with the intention of growing or outdoing yourself. At some
point there's coasting and just maintaining health & fitness. The
majority of people I see in the gym are there for just that reason.
It is worth the effort, I believe. The few times I've had to stay away
from the gym, I defiantly felt different. Less energetic & bored
actually. But I suppose the latter is just a mental thing.
My $0.02
Pete
> Wish I could have thought of that - 'a slack sack of shit tied in the
> middle' - that's great Charles!
Calling HUDSON, "Charles", is kinda weird.
Pete
> NYC XYZ wrote:
>>
>> I mean, I see these old guys in the gym, and I used to be inspired by
>> that...now I'm wondering, boy, what's the sense in showing up to do
>> your little 15 lb. curls or whatever they're up to??
>>
>
> brains in good working order? Keeping themselves from breaking a hip
> getting out of bed? Sounds kinda important to me.
>
> LM
You've it on the head, Larisa. For most of us it's not about being huge.
It's about function.
BTW, this guy is one of the most successful trolls I've seen in awhile.
Justin Case
wrote:
> The few times I've had to stay away
>from the gym, I defiantly felt different.
note to self: don't click through spell check...
Curt James
[snip]
> I'm all of 33 going onto 85 I can't just
> hop on the track and run or stack up the
> rack and heave...
Hey, you want to quit then quit, but what's this 33 and now I'm dead
nonsense.
Troll?
--
Curt, 43 in August, still hoppin' and heavin'
http://curtjames.com/
ATP*
"NYC XYZ" <jack_fo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1110387469.3...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> Like me, I've pulled a muscle and almost have to limp now; I'm hoping
> it'll go away...and like an injury/set-back, it makes me wonder what
> the hell I'm doing...I mean, I enjoy intense workouts, I hate boring
> drudgery kind of workouts, and yet now that I'm all of 33 going onto 85
> I can't just hop on the track and run or stack up the rack and
> heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's
> always celebrating something around here....
I think you're just facing the fact that 33 is different than 23- you've run
into some physical problem that probably wouldn't have been an issue in your
early 20's. The immortality/invulnerability is gone. You can still train
sensibly with good form and maintain decent health without going to
extremes. If you are overtrained or have some chronic injury laying off that
muscle group for a while might be in order.
Bob Mann
wrote:
>Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it
>existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit
>with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and
>cookies and whatnot.
I had to cut way back on the workouts because of injuries.
Since then I have kept the same weight but it started meeting in the
middle.
Over the past 7 weks give or take I have started watching what I eat
much more carefully and I have dropped, as of this morning, 11 pounds.
I wasn't big to start with but I really didn't like the shape I was
taking on.
Since taking a greater interest in my general health I have actually
stopped craving those crap foods.
My advice is to keep doing what you can and eat clean as much as
possible. Just learn to enjoy the healthier options. Some of them are
very good.
--
Bob Mann
Scientists have discovered a food that diminishes a woman's
sex drive by 90%.
We commonly know this food as "Wedding Cake".
Proton Soup
wrote:
>NYC XYZ wrote:
>[snip]
>> I'm all of 33 going onto 85 I can't just
>> hop on the track and run or stack up the
>> rack and heave...
>[snip]
>
>Hey, you want to quit then quit, but what's this 33 and now I'm dead
>nonsense.
>
>Troll?
Dunno, but I'm pretty sure he sucks cock.
-----------
Proton Soup
"Thanks for noticing that I didn't actually say anything." - Mike Lane
The Queen of Cans and Jars
> On 9 Mar 2005 17:43:59 -0800, "Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >NYC XYZ wrote:
> >[snip]
> >> I'm all of 33 going onto 85 I can't just
> >> hop on the track and run or stack up the
> >> rack and heave...
> >[snip]
> >
> >Hey, you want to quit then quit, but what's this 33 and now I'm dead
> >nonsense.
> >
> >Troll?
>
> Dunno, but I'm pretty sure he sucks cock.
Hey, so does Curt! I'm sure they'll get along famously.
Helgi Briem
wrote:
>I dunno, maybe I'm just superstitious now or something...I get cuts
>that don't heal (big ol' ugly scars now, not like before when they just
>disappear), I get cramps and pull muscles doing what I've always done
>without even noticing I had muscles to use, and the fat does seem to
>just hang around for good now.
It's a tumour.
--
Helgi Briem hbriem AT simnet DOT is
Charles
wrote:
>On 9 Mar 2005 17:43:59 -0800, "Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>NYC XYZ wrote:
>>[snip]
>>> I'm all of 33 going onto 85 I can't just
>>> hop on the track and run or stack up the
>>> rack and heave...
>>[snip]
>>
>>Hey, you want to quit then quit, but what's this 33 and now I'm dead
>>nonsense.
>>
>>Troll?
>
>Dunno, but I'm pretty sure he sucks cock.
This is another very erudite and helpful post from "Mr Smug
Self-Satisfied", who regularly recommends that we should ignore
"trolls"!!
What a prick!!
Helgi Briem
wrote:
>Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it
>existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit
>with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and
>cookies and whatnot.
I'm 42 and have had good results from my regular weigh training
(started ~18 mths ago). I feel stronger and healthier than ever
before, positively vibrating with energy. It's good.
I always enjoy eating good food though. Cooking is one of my
hobbies and I never starve myself, even during cutting periods.
Burgers and cookies I don't care about so much.
>..... now that I'm all of 33 going onto 85
>I can't just hop on the track and run or stack up the rack and
>heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's
>always celebrating something around here....
You're 33 and complaining already? You have no hope.
Give it up. You're not meant to be fit. Just give up and
start your transformation to lardass.
Helgi Briem
wrote:
>I wonder - am I the only one who actually enjoys working out? I
>actually like lifting weights. Even when I think I really don't feel
>like it, when I'm tired or whatever, my mood always perks up when I get
>to the gym. Or, as in the present case, when I pick up my dumbbells.
No, I enjoy it a lot and look forward to every workout.
Per Elmsäter
> "Per Elmsäter" <per...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:399843F...@individual.net...
>> GaryG wrote:
>>> FWIW, I'm 52 and I'll be in Colorado in June for a week of bicycling
>>> - 435 miles, with 27,000 feet of climbing, two crossings of the
>>> Continental Divide, and sleeping in a tent each night. Having been
>>
>> I'm 54 and I'm really jealous of that. The most I'll get to do this
>> summer is a puny 760 km of cycling in six days on rolling hills. No
>> climbs longer than ten minutes. Sheeeesh.
>>
>> --
>> Perre
>> I gave up on SPAM and redirected it to hotmail instead.
>>
>
> Well, 760 km in 6 days, is a pretty good ride too...but, I do really
> like the challenge of big climbs in big mountains.
>
> This summer's ride is the Bicycle Tour of Colorado (
> http://www.bicycletourcolorado.com/ ), and this will be the 4th time
> I've ridden it (the route is different each year). It's a beautiful,
> challenging, and inexpensive tour, and if you ever want to experience
> the beauty of the Colorado Rocky Mountains, or the thrill of passing
> cars at 55 mph going down a twisting mountain road, it's not to be
> missed.
>
> I've posted photo galleries of my previous Colorado rides on my
> website:
>
> http://www.shastasoftware.com/CycliStats/biketours/BTC2003/BTC0017.htm
>
> http://www.shastasoftware.com/CycliStats/biketours/BTC2002/BTC2002_1.htm
>
> http://www.shastasoftware.com/CycliStats/biketours/BTC2001/BTC2001_1.htm
>
> GG
Wonderful pics Gary, thanks. I'd love to try that ride out one day ;)
--
Perre
I gave up on SPAM and redirected it to hotmail instead.
Alf Christophersen
wrote:
>I dunno, maybe I'm just superstitious now or something...I get cuts
>that don't heal (big ol' ugly scars now, not like before when they just
>disappear), I get cramps and pull muscles doing what I've always done
>without even noticing I had muscles to use, and the fat does seem to
>just hang around for good now.
Sounds like late stage damages of being severly diabetic.
Blair P. Houghton
>Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it
>existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit
>with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and
>cookies and whatnot.
I quit about the age of 27.
I was a fat guy until the age of 39.
And damned good at it.
Then I lost my girl, and realized that I'd never get
laid again.
So I fixed what's broke, dropped 77.5 lbs, and have
regained my chance at living into my 80s, as well as the
ability to catch women looking at me.
So if you want to die young and alone, go ahead.
Burger King beckons.
--Blair
"Mmm. Overweaning profit motive."
Piezo Guru
"Blair P. Houghton" <b@p.h> wrote in message
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Curt James
> Proton Soup <pro...@soup.org> wrote:
> [snip]"Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >NYC XYZ wrote:
> > >[snip]
> > >> I'm all of 33 going onto 85 I can't just
> > >> hop on the track and run or stack up the
> > >> rack and heave...
> > >[snip]
> > >
> > >Hey, you want to quit then quit, but what's
> > >this 33 and now I'm dead nonsense.
> > >
> > >Troll?
> >
> > Dunno, but I'm pretty sure he sucks cock.
>
> Hey, so does Curt! I'm sure they'll get along famously.
<Speaking of getting along famously...>
She considers herself quite a wit when she is dishing it out, but
turns awfully brittle when she is on the receiving end.
She swiftly consigned me to her alleged "killfiles" following a
mauling I gave her, and I have been clear of the silly bitch and her
spiteful ways for some time thank goodness!!
</Speaking of getting along famously...>
I love that quote.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Charles
wrote:
>The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
It does have a certain pithiness to it doesn't it?!! ;o)
Have a great weekend Curt - I intend to!!
TFIF!!
Will Brink
wrote:
> "NYC XYZ" <jack_fo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1110387469.3...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> >
>
> >
> > Like me, I've pulled a muscle and almost have to limp now; I'm hoping
> > it'll go away...and like an injury/set-back, it makes me wonder what
> > the hell I'm doing...I mean, I enjoy intense workouts, I hate boring
> > drudgery kind of workouts, and yet now that I'm all of 33 going onto 85
> > I can't just hop on the track and run or stack up the rack and
> > heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's
> > always celebrating something around here....
>
> I think you're just facing the fact that 33 is different than 23
Hate when that happens! Problem with being 23 is everything works great
but your brain...you can't win!
--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/
Will Brink
"montygram" <nazzt...@lycos.com> wrote:
> Real good news: it's all about oxidative stress.
No, that's part of it, not all of it.
> Only when cholesterol
> is oxidized is it a problem (even an AHA spokesman made that point
> recently, in a Newsday newspaper article, for example). You can eat
> all kinds of things, if you cook it properly (boiling is often best)
> and stay away from unsaturated fatty acids
That would be poor advice.
> (except in trace amounts,
> such as in coconut oil),
Which contains no EFAs and mostly MCTs.
> which are the primary cause of oxidative
> stress in most people (lipid peroxidation).
It's actually far more complicated then that. Hint: some data finds
oxidative stress actually goes down with N3 lipids.
slotm...@hotmail.com
>
> Well, are there any *positive* motivations besides vainity? Seems
like
> all the good reasons are "negative" -- disease, etc.
Vanity doesn't enter into it for me (okay, maybe it does - I'd much
rather look in the mirror and see what I see now than look in the
mirror and say "Now there's a reliable disappointment").
There are many *positive* motivations for me. Not gasping for breath
when I walk up three flights of stairs to get to my office is one.
Getting up in the morning and not feeling like I'm 100 years old is
another. Not sitting around and whining about all my aches and pains
like a lot of my co-workers around my age (and some younger!), knowing
if my car broke down 20 miles from home and I had not other way to get
home than walking, I could do it. Those are some positives. How I feel
after a 6 mile run on a bright, sunny Sunday morning, feeling fit,
strong, and alive walking out of the gym, those are some more.
Don't misunderstand me: I still eat cheeseburgers (once in a while),
eat ice cream, and drink beer. It's just that going out for dinner or
drinking an ice-cold beer just doesn't taste as good if I haven't
worked out.
NYC XYZ
Larisa wrote:
>
>
> I wonder - am I the only one who actually enjoys working out? I
> actually like lifting weights. Even when I think I really don't feel
> like it, when I'm tired or whatever, my mood always perks up when I
get
> to the gym. Or, as in the present case, when I pick up my dumbbells.
>
> heart attack risk, yeah it's nice to improve my bone density, blah
blah
> blah - but really, I exercise because I like it. It's not a penance,
> it's an indulgence.
>
> Is there nothing you like about exercise? Maybe you need a break?
> Maybe change the way you exercise? Maybe exercise less?
>
> LM
I generally like it well enough...I mean, I do really enjoy just the
feeling of my muscles moving...if I'm not being crazy here, it's kinda
like sex -- seriously! Or maybe dancing is the more appropriate
term...so I do like it.
I have to confess...I'm really a nerd trapped in an athlete's
body...imagine an athlete dad who has a nerd son...so it's almost like
I'm working out 'cause part of me feels like I'm obligated to make the
most of what I have -- and keep it up, so to speak -- when really I'm
just some Gen X slacker (I mean I anticipated the '90s back in the
'80s!)...and now I'm getting hurt, cuts aren't healing properly
anymore, muscles are pulling the wrong way, etc.
I don't even know what it is...I'm not unhappy when I *do*
exercise...just get the feeling that I should be doing something else,
I guess...I've been exercising all these years, see...I dunno, maybe
I'm tired of the routine of it all...or maybe, I guess, I'm seeing how
it's not just a fun activity anymore but an actual lifestyle, now that
I'm older and more susceptible to x, y, and z....
Anyway, I was supposed to work out tonight but I forgot my
shorts...LOL...now I can go get a pair, sure, but....
You know what it is? Working out has always been a social event for
me. Yeah, back in the college gym or the post gym, it was like a
weight lifting club...now it's, I dunno, just so alienating I
guess...yawn....
NYC XYZ
DZ wrote:
>
>
> For me the motivation doesn't come from the notion of progress - be
it
> more lb in the lifts or bigger muscles. Indeed at some point you'd
> expect to become weaker as you age.
Yeah, ain't that so depressing!! I used to think, okay, now's the time
to do it all...and now I'm like, hmm, what am I doing? I do enjoy it,
so I won't be giving it up...but for some reason it does feel like a
chore...you know, kinda like when you're not so hot on your g/f anymore
but you don't want to leave her, and it's not like you don't love her
anymore....
> I do take mental notice of the amount I can lift but it's not really
> important and my motivation has to come from just the today's
workout.
>
> The key is to learn how to enjoy it and dissociate this goal from the
> notion of progress - be it the competition with yourself or with
> others in the same age group, gender or species.
Well, see, this is the thing: I do enjoy moving my muscles when
exercising...it's like being in communion with myself, if I may get a
bit New Age-y on you...but...hmm...but, like, there are so many things
that I enjoy...oh, I dunno...I guess I'm just unhappy about being old
or something...maybe I need some more vitamins or something....
> Some say they refuse to be an average individual but that again has
> roots in motivation exploiting humans' competitive nature, since it
> comes from the comparison with others presumably of the same age
> group.
>
> DZ
Now, see, that's what was so fun before...yeah, I guess it was that
competitiveness, that physical aggression...now that I'm pulling
muscles all over the place, I'm not so sure this is all that fun
anymore!
Yeah, I guess I just need to find another reason to be at the gym,
that's all. I don't reall care about health or disease, and vainity's
no fun anymore, so all that's left is just the enjoyment of feeling
one's muscles. What I really like about working out is that it's so
non-mental, in a way, in that analytical way...it's mental in that
Zen-like "no mind" way, like the eye of the storm...I dunno...I think I
think too much....
NYC XYZ
Roger Zoul wrote:
>
>
> Get fat. You'll still make me look better! No one will remember the
old
> you, but they'll see the present me in comparison to the fat, sloppy,
you.
> hehe.
Yeah, but I don't care that much about looks anymore...it feels silly
to spend time working out if it's gonna take twice as much effort for
half the gain I used to get (or whatever the exact ratio is).
> I have an uncle who looks really good at 71 - strong and even a bit
scary.
> He may not be what he once was or he may not be able to do what he
once did,
> but he looks better and can do more than a lot of much younger
people.
Hell, my dad's 78 and physically stronger than many 70 yr.-olds...but
what's the point? It's not like you're gonna score any chicks at that
age (I mean, how many look like Sophia Loren or Elizabeth Taylor) or
get into schoolyard fights....
I guess I just have to look for something within to go on now; those
external reasons can't suffice anymore...I'm really sick of women (LOL
-- long story) and not looking to fight anyone anymore, and I never
cared about health 'cause I figure death would just be the end of my
problems, plus I'm getting injured besides, inexplicably injured, so
it's gotta be something else....
Damn, I'm born five hundred years too early!
NYC XYZ
Eric wrote:
>
>
> Spoiled rotten fucking crybaby. This is along the same lines as some
> kid born with a silver spoon in his mouth asking, 'god why should I
> bother working when my trust fund pays for everything anyway?'. This
> troll either needs to stop being fed so much, or needs a good swift
> kick in the ass.
Oh God, a Drill Private.
> Personally I admire those guys with the 'wimpy 15 lb
> curls' a shit load more than I do people who either juice or are born
> with 'gifted genes'.
I don't even do protein shakes. But I don't see the point of curling
15-lb. bells. I wonder: could people really be so naturally weak?
Seems to me like they ain't working hard enough.
> Just the fact that you mentioned curls rather than
> squats or deads speaks volumes to me.
I like curls. Squats and dead-lifts don't make me feel "it." I like
benches, incline/decline...pretty conventional stuff. I just do them
'cause they're fun, 'cause I "feel myself" most with them.
Oh what am I saying...I like the gym.
NYC XYZ
Roger Zoul wrote:
>
>
> Get a good road bike and start riding. It's fun.
I already cycle...love it! And I've had my share of semi-serious
accidents, too...but I could always say okay, lay off the
bike...somehow, pulling my leg on a run...God that's too much...I mean,
I'm just running, damn it! I wasn't in traffic, hopping over tree
roots, or dodging pesky pedestrians...I was just running...damn.
Aw well, I'm gonna go see "Into the Void" and get inspired. S'posed to
be a real good movie.
NYC XYZ
Roger Zoul wrote:
>
>
> Cuts that don't heal, cramps and muscle pulls? Something is wrong
with you,
> dude. Go see a doctor, ASAP. You might have SD....what part of the
country
> do you live in?
What's SD?
I'm in NYC.
NYC XYZ
Alf Christophersen wrote:
>
>
> Sounds like late stage damages of being severly diabetic.
Well, my last check-up, which was last fall, was great. I'm a real
healthy specimen, and I look it.
It's just that I'm not like how I used to be, and I suppose that's just
age, and so that makes me wonder...if I'm supposed to break down
anyway, with age I mean, well, what's the point in being so hard-core?
That's it, damn! I'm having my goddamned ice cream tonight. This is
ridiculous!
Andrzej Rosa
Dnia 2005-03-09 NYC XYZ napisał(a):
>
> Anyway, just wondering if anyone's had to face this "moment of doubt"
> yet and how you've resolved it to yourself...I don't mean the little
> moments of doubt that come with not being in the mood for something; I
> mean a really big one, when you're just like, what's the point?
You seem to be slightly depressed. Do not ditch weights or, chances
are, it will go worse. I speak from experience, I'm
maniacally-depressive.
Weights help with moody feelings. More than anything else I ever tried.
Do not throw it away, even if what you experience right now is not
serious.
So called healthy diet is (IMHO) totally different matter. I tend to
trust my body with that quite much and simply eat what tastes good.
So, to summarise, my point is that regular exercises help you find a
point. In just about anything. I have much to much of experience in
feeling pointless, so I know what my point is ;).
That's my point ;).
P.S. - Take it easy for a while, but do not stop going to a gym
regularly.
--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R
I'm on a medication strike until the FDA stops openly sucking the cock
of the pharma industry. I mean, at least they ought to do it behind
closed doors.
Andrzej Rosa
> Scott Johnson <scottj...@tornadosaregood.planetkc.com> wrote:
>
>> NYC XYZ wrote:
>>
>> > Anyway, I just hate this feeling of waiting for the other shoe to
>> > drop...like, what's next, you know? I used to warm up with benching
>> > 225 by myself; now I ask for a spot, just in case.
>>
>> Kill yourself now while you're still strong enough
>> to pull the trigger.
>
> Seriously. What a waste of space.
How would you feel, if he does?
Very proud, I expect.
Andrzej Rosa
Dnia 2005-03-09 NYC XYZ napisał(a):
>>
>> Slotman
>
> Well, are there any *positive* motivations besides vainity? Seems like
> all the good reasons are "negative" -- disease, etc.
Yes. After workout you feel much better than before workout. It's damn
good reason to lift weights, at least to me.
Curt James
re the following Queen-directed quote
> >She considers herself quite a wit when she is dishing it out, but
> >turns awfully brittle when she is on the receiving end.
> >
> >She swiftly consigned me to her alleged "killfiles" following a
> >mauling I gave her, and I have been clear of the silly bitch and her
> >spiteful ways for some time thank goodness!!
> It does have a certain pithiness to it doesn't it?!! ;o)
Absolutely!
> Have a great weekend Curt - I intend to!!
Thank you! And same here.
> TFIF!!
It's sad they only come around once per week.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Charles
wrote:
>Charles wrote:
Probably just as well, as I would by now be the size of a house if I
regularly 'celebrated' for more than 2 out of the available 7 days!!
;o)
HAGW!!
TFIF!!
John Hanson
<bak...@yahoo.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>Dnia 2005-03-09 The Queen of Cans and Jars napisał(a):
>> Scott Johnson <scottj...@tornadosaregood.planetkc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> NYC XYZ wrote:
>>>
>>> > Anyway, I just hate this feeling of waiting for the other shoe to
>>> > drop...like, what's next, you know? I used to warm up with benching
>>> > 225 by myself; now I ask for a spot, just in case.
>>>
>>> Kill yourself now while you're still strong enough
>>> to pull the trigger.
>>
>> Seriously. What a waste of space.
>
>How would you feel, if he does?
>
>Very proud, I expect.
I told muscleman to do that. I could give a flying fuck if he did or
not. Perhaps he did as he doesn't post here any more.
John Hanson
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>
>Hi, All:
>
>Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it
>existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit
>with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and
>cookies and whatnot.
Be a powerlifter and enjoy the best of both worlds:-)
>
>I know, I know...no one enjoys a heart attack, etc. But, you see, what
>gets me so much is knowing that I'm getting less and less of a return
>on my investment as I get older, the investment being the hours at the
>gym, the intensity of the workouts, the attention to details when it
>comes to a healthy diet, etc. I could do twice the work I did ten
>years ago and yet get only half the result, it seems! So what the
>hell...why not enjoy the food, blah blah blah....
Powerlifters really enjoy their food.
>
>I don't mean totally abandoning exercise and careful eating, but I mean
>significantly allowing for a much more generous intake of sweets and
>fats and whatever else tastes good, and for going to the movies or
>something instead of hitting the gym...see, this "spartan" lifestyle is
>getting annoying as I consider that, from a "cost analysis" POV, I
>could get more enjoyment out of being lazy, for lack of a better term,
>than I do from being careful and working out and all that but with
>wasting away with age anyway....
Sounds like the powerlifting lifestyle is the one for you. High
intensity, low volume and a lot of food and beer.
>
>And yes I've read reports that continued healthy living makes an old
>fella's heart behave like a sedentary young guy's, etc. -- but still,
>you know what I'm asking....
>
>Anyway, just wondering if anyone's had to face this "moment of doubt"
>yet and how you've resolved it to yourself...I don't mean the little
>moments of doubt that come with not being in the mood for something; I
>mean a really big one, when you're just like, what's the point?
I've gone the other way. I've decided to actually cut some fat so
I've been <gasp> dieting </gasp>. But, tonight is going to be a
refeed as I got my deadlift workout in last night. I already had
Tinnucci's fish and am enjoying a Guinness. Cheers!
>
>Like me, I've pulled a muscle and almost have to limp now; I'm hoping
>it'll go away...and like an injury/set-back, it makes me wonder what
>the hell I'm doing...I mean, I enjoy intense workouts, I hate boring
>drudgery kind of workouts, and yet now that I'm all of 33 going onto 85
>I can't just hop on the track and run or stack up the rack and
>heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's
>always celebrating something around here....
I tore my biceps last Saturday and tore it a little more last night
doing lat pulldowns. I'll probably move my Saturday workout to Sunday
because of that.
The Queen of Cans and Jars
> Dnia 2005-03-09 The Queen of Cans and Jars napisa"(a):
> > Scott Johnson <scottj...@tornadosaregood.planetkc.com> wrote:
> >
> >> NYC XYZ wrote:
> >>
> >> > Anyway, I just hate this feeling of waiting for the other shoe to
> >> > drop...like, what's next, you know? I used to warm up with benching
> >> > 225 by myself; now I ask for a spot, just in case.
> >>
> >> Kill yourself now while you're still strong enough
> >> to pull the trigger.
> >
> > Seriously. What a waste of space.
>
> How would you feel, if he does?
>
> Very proud, I expect.
It's his choice. It's got nothing to do with me.
Proton Soup
Sure, why not. Whatever doesn't rip your muscle right off the bone
only makes you stronger.
-----------
Proton Soup
"And all this peace has been deceiving,
I need some wind to get me sailing"
Piezo Guru
"Proton Soup" <pro...@soup.org> wrote in message
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Larisa
>
> >
> >Hi, All:
> >
> >Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if
it
> >existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just
quit
> >with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and
> >cookies and whatnot.
> >
>
> eat almost exclusively USDA organic foods and I avoid simple sugars.
> But man sometimes I sit down at Wendy's and pile up the tray and go
to
> town. In fact I did that tonight because I felt a body hunger.
>
> It is an interesting thing to note, I think, how much people use
foods
> of the kind you find at Wendy's to regulate mood. I've found it
takes
> a very long time to break the food/mood cycle. Coffee is another
> example of this and I'll be damned if I'll give up my coffee. But I
> do find that much of the wild gyrations I used to have in my mood
> subside when I eliminate much of the processed foods and simple
sugars
> from my diet.
Hm. I am not sure I notice any physiological responses, but I agree
with the psychological benefit. I eat very healthy these days - lots
of fruits and veggies, no processed foods, I even bake my own bread
(fewer preservatives that way). But I'm mostly housebound - my mother
is ill and I have to be at home most of the time, and I work at home
(and work out at home), and I seldom get to go out anywhere. So, every
few days, I head to the friendly local bookstore and sit in their cafe
for a while - with <gasp!> a mocha with whipped cream and a good novel.
Is the mocha good for me? Definitely not. But if I didn't have that
little escape - the half-hour or hour of sipping coffee and losing
myself in a novel - I'd go nuts, and that would probably be worse for
me.
It's not really about the caffeine or the sugar - it's about the taste,
the smell, the whole experience of it. I think it's important to allow
oneself some little pleasures.
LM
DaKid
"Larisa" <purple...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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John Hanson
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
I got through my close grips with no problems! That's all I did
though. No sense in flinging weights over my head at this point.
Phil Scott
what you are leaving out of your rationalization is the truly
painful, debilitating, miserable effects on ones body from
eating crappy food, even in modest amounts.
You have simply taken your current healthy condition for
granted... fully excusable. but it leads to letting go of
good things.
Re getting half the results you got earlier for the same
work...it sounds to me like you are working too hard and are
into the counter productive band... also that you are not
digesting you food well so its not going into making muscle...
a persons natural digestive enzyme production starts going
south fast after age 50...it can drop 90% by age 60... so you
work hard and no muscle.
and there can be digestive problems.
Try some various enzymes... try various kinds, follow
directions very carefully on the animal derived ones. I
started with 3 a day one with each meal..then they became
toxic at that level..I stayed at one a day for a while with
meal... now its one a week.
On the junk food issue...those are addictive...once you start
again it can be real nasty getting off of them.
My suggestion for you is to lighten up on the work outs... so
they are fun not a chore.. eat more protien, take digestive
enzymes carefully monitoring effects...keep sweets and dairy
and breads to trace levels.... for sweets buy sugar free Jelly
Belly beans.
For fats I am having good luck with eggs over easy in a pan
with olive oil and sausage drained of grease from the
microwave...ymmv.
The olive oil is very good for you...the small amount of
animal fat I get from the drained sausage is not enough to
hurt much apparently..less than in a single donut.
If you have ever been in bad shape and ill from junk food and
overweight you know that the total misery from that far
exceeds the slight sacrifice of bypassing nutrient deficient
foods etc.
Phil Scott
"NYC XYZ" <jack_fo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Hi, All:
>
> Just wondering what some folks here think would be the
point -- if it
> existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense"
to just quit
> with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers
and
> cookies and whatnot.
>
> I know, I know...no one enjoys a heart attack, etc. But,
you see, what
> gets me so much is knowing that I'm getting less and less of
a return
> on my investment as I get older, the investment being the
hours at the
> gym, the intensity of the workouts, the attention to details
when it
> comes to a healthy diet, etc. I could do twice the work I
did ten
> years ago and yet get only half the result, it seems! So
what the
> hell...why not enjoy the food, blah blah blah....
>
> I don't mean totally abandoning exercise and careful eating,
but I mean
> significantly allowing for a much more generous intake of
sweets and
> fats and whatever else tastes good, and for going to the
movies or
> something instead of hitting the gym...see, this "spartan"
lifestyle is
> getting annoying as I consider that, from a "cost analysis"
POV, I
> could get more enjoyment out of being lazy, for lack of a
better term,
> than I do from being careful and working out and all that
but with
> wasting away with age anyway....
>
> And yes I've read reports that continued healthy living
makes an old
> fella's heart behave like a sedentary young guy's, etc. --
but still,
> you know what I'm asking....
>
> Anyway, just wondering if anyone's had to face this "moment
of doubt"
> yet and how you've resolved it to yourself...I don't mean
the little
> moments of doubt that come with not being in the mood for
something; I
> mean a really big one, when you're just like, what's the
point?
>
Phil Scott
"David" <forg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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would be slim
> and muscular. What a world that would be! Because if we all
looked great how
> would you stand out which is the whole point of looking
great. I think that
> your post reflects a popular view and that is why we have
slobs. And that is
> a good thing.
Actually... slobs are not a good thing. Not good for
themselves, most suffer badly then die young, the idiocy that
goes with being a slob is generally not a contribution to the
culture. Hedonism actually sucks Dave. It only appears like
a good thing to idiots.
Phil Scott
>
>
>
Helgi Briem
<philsc...@sf.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>Top posted for yer convienience
Ignored for my pleasure.
--
Helgi Briem hbriem AT simnet DOT is
rick++
Sooner or later you stop. Exercise and a healthy diet
can be extremely pleasurable if done right.
Larry Hodges
I'm 48 and have worked out all my life with the exception of about four
years...1997 - 2001. Those four years were miserable for me and I got so
fat and out of shape it ain't funny. I ended up 260 lbs. I'm now back down
where I was...188 lbs. You do the math.
Never again.
--
-Larry
max
started.
My father is 65 and can bench press and endure longer during a
mountain climb than I can. I'm 32, in excellent shape, and can
physically outperform probably 97% of American guys under 25.
It's too early to quit. Take a break for awhile, but you'll find that
it's always better to be fit.
On 9 Mar 2005 08:57:49 -0800, "NYC XYZ" <jack_fo...@yahoo.com>
max
You're a whiner looking to share and spread misery. If, at your age,
you still believe that you should only do something good because it
has a guaranteed return, you are lost.
Please go buy a box of lard, eat it, and stop trying to share your
pain until you can get a more productive attitude.
NYC XYZ
max wrote:
> Your problem isn't the gym. It's a more fundamental immaturity.
> You're a whiner looking to share and spread misery. If, at your age,
> you still believe that you should only do something good because it
> has a guaranteed return, you are lost.
It's a mental block...like writer's block...as a matter of fact, I'm
gonna go kayaking again today! No sun out...should be nice. Stuff
like that should put the gym into "perspective"...though you're right,
it's an end in itself.
Somehow I've lost that feeling...I dunno how...now it's like it should
"pay" for itself somehow...maybe I'm just not having enough time in the
day to do everything I want, I guess (next year, parachuting...year
after that, piloting an ultra-light!).
> Please go buy a box of lard, eat it, and stop trying to share your
> pain until you can get a more productive attitude.
Damn, had myself some Dunkin' Donuts yesterday...wow! I can't wait
'til I'm 65 so that I can enjoy all this crap without guilt!!
In the meantime, it's real hard kayaking against the current...now
*that* was a work-out all right.
NYC XYZ
max wrote:
> Come on, dude. You're 33. Your lifestyle of fitness is just getting
> started.
Actually, I've always been a physically active. Never stopped jumping
around and running here and there, whether for ball or biking or hiking
or racing or whatever...but I've only been hitting the gym since about
age 21.
And now that I've gotten so seriously hurt -- just can't RUN, man --
I'm half-way between pissed off and depressed.
> My father is 65 and can bench press and endure longer during a
> mountain climb than I can. I'm 32, in excellent shape, and can
> physically outperform probably 97% of American guys under 25.
I find all that incredible. Well, then again, I guess it depends on
the particular task.
Just spent Friday paddling against a 2-3 knot current for half an hour,
non-stop. See, stuff like that feels a lot more meaningful than
lifting something repetitively at a crowded, dumb-music-blasting gym
with no babes around.
> It's too early to quit. Take a break for awhile, but you'll find that
> it's always better to be fit.
You're right. Thanks for the encouragement.
As it is, I'm actually getting back into my old schedule of hitting the
gym six times a week...I've been at four to five days per week now...I
guess I just needed "outside" physical activity to put all that gym
drudgery into a kind of perspective...am at a new gym with a different
social network, see...and before, it used to be a matter of feeling my
youth...now it's more like feeling what I've got left -- which is still
considerable, but hell, we're in "half-empty" territory now....
Damn, I just can't get over this injury...my ass! How I love to run,
too!! So I'm just scared now of popping an elbow or shoulder or
worse...! Am still benching 225 lbs. partly 'cause of the fear factor
in pushing myself now, especially without a reliable spotter.
max
Let me pass on what I've learned though. Athletics and fitness are
not really about competition or results. Your biggest threat in the
endeavour is your own lack of focus -- nobody and nothing else. When
you're focused, you're on the path, you're working hard, and you are
probably at your best.
It's the path itself, not the destination. Stay focused like a laser
because a laser can burn through anything.
Good luck.
On 17 Jul 2005 12:37:44 -0700, "NYC XYZ" <jack_fo...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
David Cohen
"max" <funera...@comcast.net> wrote
> Look, I was way too harsh in my last posts. I apologize for that.
We have thick skin in MFW. Those other two newsgroups are just a bunch of
pussies.
>
> Let me pass on what I've learned though. Athletics and fitness are
> not really about competition or results.
Athletics isn't about competition or results, huh? Not too many Olympic
athletes from your neighborhood.
> Your biggest threat in the
> endeavour is your own lack of focus -- nobody and nothing else. When
> you're focused, you're on the path, you're working hard, and you are
> probably at your best.
>
> It's the path itself, not the destination. Stay focused like a laser
> because a laser can burn through anything.
A neutron star? Can a laser burn through a neutron star?
Your analogies are as weak as your competitive spirit.
Go eat some tofu. Your estrogen level is getting low.
David
max
:) And as long as I'm focused, you don't stand a chance.
max
>> Your biggest threat in the
>> endeavour is your own lack of focus -- nobody and nothing else. When
>> you're focused, you're on the path, you're working hard, and you are
>> probably at your best.
>>
>> It's the path itself, not the destination. Stay focused like a laser
>> because a laser can burn through anything.
>
>A neutron star? Can a laser burn through a neutron star?
>
>Your analogies are as weak as your competitive spirit.
>
>Go eat some tofu. Your estrogen level is getting low.
>
Oh, I'm so sorry. My weak-minded analogies don't hold up under your
scrutiny and your background in cosmology. Next time you think it
might be a worthwhile to approach a neutron star, please BE SURE TO DO
SO. Nah, you won't need sunblock. Go right ahead.
David Cohen
"max" <funera...@comcast.net> wrote
Your response is weak and limp wristed. Feminine, actually.
Oh, no, do NOT start crying!
Damn! I hate when they do that.
David