Today, after 9:00 of slow long-cycle kettlebell jerks with two 16kg
bells - followed by a several hour break, I did:
bw + 50 lbs. x 3
bw + 70 lbs. x 2
bw + 90 lbs. x 1
+50 reps were explosive up, touch neck below Adam's Apple, pause,
controlled negative. +70 were same height but a bit slower up, +90 was
slow up and only to chin over bar but solidly so. Morning bw was 154
lbs. Probably should work more reps in the bw + 70 range where I can
get the extra speed and height. If I do the math right, if I have a bw
+ 100 1RM, bw + 70, when considered as the total weight, is 88%, and bw
+ 50 is about 80%.
By the way, I had forgotten how fantastic these feel on my lower back
and SI - traction.
Excellent numbers! I did a 'real' muscleup today - had to climb up onto
a ledge that I could grab only by jumping. Have to try this on a chinup
bar sometime.
Hope to keep working on my weighted chinups for a while - I'm doing so
much overhead work via long-cycle jerks, the pulling seems to help
balance out all the pushing.
> I did a 'real' muscleup today
So you are up to 95lbs now?
So you are up to 95lbs now? <<
And you lift exactly what poofoid?
With documented proof exactly.
Or SHUT YOUR FUCKIN' PIE HOLE!
>And you lift exactly what poofoid?
>
Your spirits.
>With documented proof exactly.
Your shining personality.
(I'm only listing pullup related exercises)
Bodyweight: 170 lb
Monday Jan 23, 10-11pm
----------------------
Weighted chinups (sets x reps):
0 lb (Bodyweight chinup): 1x3
35 lb 1x3
60 lb 1x3
85 lb 1x2
110 lb 1x2
150 lb 1x1
Tuesday Jan 24, 10-11pm
-----------------------
Weighted chinups:
35 lb 1x3
60 lb 1x3
85 lb 1x3
110 lb 1x3
Muscleups: 5x6
Wednesday Jan 25, 10-11pm
-------------------------
Muscleups: 2x6
Weighted chinups:
35 lb 1x8
60 lb 1x6
85 lb 1x5
110 lb 5x3
100 lb 3x4
Muscleups: 1x5
Bodyweight pullups: 2x8
Thursday Jan 26, 10-11pm. Muscleups: 1x8, 4x6
Friday Jan 27, 7-8pm. Muscleups: 5x6
Saturday Jan 28, 6:30-8pm
-------------------------
Muscleups: 2x6
Weighted chinups:
85 lb 1x6
95 lb 1x6
95 lb 2x4
105 lb 1x3
110 lb 3x2
135 lb 2x1
110 lb 2x2
105 lb 2x3
95 lb 1x4
85 lb 1x5
Muscleups: 3x6
[...]
>Weighted chinups<snip>
Was at a big box book store today and saw Pavel's Naked Warrior book
and a number of other interesting fitness and weights-related titles.
One of the books I was browsing had a pic of a guy doing weighted
chinups using a backpack with plates in it as the method for attaching
more weight to the individual working out.
Cool.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
>Was at a big box book store today and saw Pavel's Naked Warrior book
>and a number of other interesting fitness and weights-related titles.
Kept you busy in the mens room, did they?
Makes much more sense to me, which is why I do it that way, too.
> DZ
>
>> Thursday Jan 26, 10-11pm. Muscleups: 8x1, 6x4
>> Friday Jan 27, 7-8pm. Muscleups: 6x5
>>
>> Saturday Jan 28, 6:30-8pm
>> -------------------------
>> Muscleups: 6x2
>> Weighted chinups:
>> 85 lb 6x1
>> 95 lb 6x1
>> 95 lb 4x2
>> 105 lb 3x1
>> 110 lb 2x3
>> 135 lb 1x2
>> 110 lb 2x2
>> 105 lb 3x2
>> 95 lb 4x1
>> 85 lb 5x1
>> Muscleups: 6x3
Today, 70 lb. x 1, 2, 2 - gradually going to work up some volume on
these. Have a meet in a couple of weeks, will keep it very low until
then and probably just work w/ 70 lbs. (equivalent of 2-pood kb, for
what that's worth) until 5 reps is reasonably comfortable. Meet is
girevoy sport long-cycle, so letting strength work lapse a bit in favor
of endurance. Today, 6:00 of long cycle jerks 2 x 20kg kettlebells, 5
reps per minute, 30 reps. Followed up with overhead hold and rack work
for time. Probably not pullup-related but you never know. :)
On Jan 28 DZ wrote:
> Monday Jan 23, 10-11pm
> ----------------------
> Bodyweight: 170 lb
>
> Weighted chinups (sets x reps):
> 0 lb (Bodyweight chinup): 1x3
> 35 lb 1x3
> 60 lb 1x3
> 85 lb 1x2
> 110 lb 1x2
> 150 lb 1x1
Five months later:
Monday June 19, 10-11pm
-----------------------
Bodyweight : 168 lb
Weighted chinups (sets x reps):
0 lb (Bodyweight chinup): 1x3
35 lb 1x3
60 lb 1x3
85 lb 1x3
110 lb 1x5
135 lb 1x3
160 lb 1x1
170 lb 1x1
160 lb 1x1
Excellent! I'm still working on getting a single clean rep with half
my bodyweight. It's been several years since I've done that.
Nicely done.
I have advised you on a number of occasions about the wisdom of
allowing your weight to run away with you, particularly since you
achieved your half-century a couple of years ago.
It is obvious when working with any exercise that utilises bodyweight
(BW), that increasing one's body-fat percentage (B/F %) would make the
execution of such exercises increasingly difficult.
There is a strict correlation between calories consumed and energy
expended, and I draw your attention again to the number of times I
have cautioned you about letting your caloric intake exceed your
energy output.
If you want to compete with the likes of DZ (who is built like a
racing greyhound and can be described physically as being all prick
and ribs), then you are going to have to address that expanding girth
John, or to put it into language you prefer and perhaps better
understand - keep a weather-eye on the old 'shit-locker'!!
Please stop watching all those old movies and feeding your face. Try
and take a little more exercise, and remember that you are not a young
man anymore and perhaps shouldn't be drawing attention to your
deteriorating physical condition.
If I can help old chum, you know I will! ;o)
> Bodyweight : 168 lb
> Weighted chinups (sets x reps):
> 0 lb (Bodyweight chinup): 1x3
> 35 lb 1x3
> 60 lb 1x3
> 85 lb 1x3
> 110 lb 1x5
> 135 lb 1x3
> 160 lb 1x1
> 170 lb 1x1
> 160 lb 1x1
Incredible, especially after 7 sets.
Have you ever considered gaining 20 pounds or so? Sure, you might have some
trouble i the beginning, but if those 20 pounds are on the upper body, i can
assure that your lats and biceps are a lot stronger.
Have much weight do you use on rowing motions?
----
Pete
That's absolutely sick. Very well done. I need to go do another set
of chins now.
Jason
>> Weighted chinups (sets x reps):
>> 0 lb (Bodyweight chinup): 1x3
>> 35 lb 1x3
>> 60 lb 1x3
>> 85 lb 1x3
>> 110 lb 1x5
>> 135 lb 1x3
>> 160 lb 1x1
>> 170 lb 1x1
>> 160 lb 1x1
> That's absolutely sick.
Yes.
That last pull was 328, and he was allready a bit tired. Its safe to assume
that he manage a few reps with the full stack of the pulldown, which is 300
pounds in most gyms in the US. Several years ago, i went up to 286, and i
was aprox. 10 pounds heaxier then that. The gym owner was pretty fucking
pissed at me because i added 25 kilos to the stack of 105. A few months
before i allready fucked the seated cable row.
DZ is a freak, i dont like him...
(and i suspect he is using one of those "secret soviet" methods...)
> Very well done. I need to go do another set
> of chins now.
Give it all you got. Try to beat DZ. That should a new purpose in live.
----
Pete
> "Jason Earl" <je...@xmission.com> schreef:
<snip>
> DZ is a freak, i dont like him... (and i suspect he is using one of
> those "secret soviet" methods...)
I don't think that there's much of a secret. Apparently DZ just does
a fat pile of weighted chins.
>> Very well done. I need to go do another set of chins now.
>
> Give it all you got. Try to beat DZ. That should a new purpose in
> live.
There is little chance that I am ever going to be as good at chins as
DZ, but his success certainly shows that I have a lot of room for
improvement. There's nothing wrong with setting the bar a little
higher.
Jason
> Pete <phou...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
> > "DZ" schreef:
> >> Bodyweight : 168 lb
> >
> >> Weighted chinups (sets x reps):
> >> 0 lb (Bodyweight chinup): 1x3
> >> 35 lb 1x3
> >> 60 lb 1x3
> >> 85 lb 1x3
> >> 110 lb 1x5
> >> 135 lb 1x3
> >> 160 lb 1x1
> >> 170 lb 1x1
> >> 160 lb 1x1
> >
> > Incredible, especially after 7 sets.
>
> If I have only done 2 reps with 110 and 135, that would be about the
> easiest sequence for me. I can't just put the max on, or even do a
> single warm up set.
>
> > Have you ever considered gaining 20 pounds or so? Sure, you might
> > have some trouble i the beginning, but if those 20 pounds are on the
> > upper body, i can assure that your lats and biceps are a lot
> > stronger.
>
> Sometimes I get to 180 lb but that's as much as I can do without
> seriously rearranging my diet. I'm trying to balance some compromise
> between calorie restriction and fitness. Obviously, pullups
> performance is less punishing than squat or benchpress.
>
> > Have much weight do you use on rowing motions?
>
> I don't know. For lats and biceps, I only do pullups (and
> muscleups). Perhaps I should add some kind of rows though.
I've never found that necessary. I basically do bodyweight pull-ups
(I've done as many as a set of 40, although they were done very
sloppily), cleans and deadlifts and can row pretty much anything I feel
like. I've put 450 lbs on a t-bar thing and did sets of 5.
--
Keith
>> I don't know. For lats and biceps, I only do pullups (and
>> muscleups). Perhaps I should add some kind of rows though.
> I've never found that necessary.
I was under the impression that a lot of PLers do rows because certain
muscles that are used during the deadlift are worked very hard. You even
feel them in the glutes and hams.
And i heard that they give you this "of the floor power."
> I basically do bodyweight pull-ups.
Does that help a powerlifter?
I mean, with rows, the traps and lower back are stressed much harder then
pullups, due to reatraction of the shoulder blades and the bend over
postition. Will pull-ups transfer strength to the deadlift?
> (I've done as many as a set of 40...
You guys are amazing...
Your legs/glutes/waist are pretty strong, and therefore pretty heavy, and
yet you manage to do 40 reps?
How many reps can you you do when doing pulldowns full stack (300 pounds i
believe...)
> although they were done very
> sloppily), cleans and deadlifts and can row pretty much anything I feel
> like. I've put 450 lbs on a t-bar thing and did sets of 5.
Lot of weight.
Have you ever tried cable rows with a long range of motion?
----
Pete
I missed this - congrats, sir! I confess to having stopped working on
these. Lately I do a once a week workout with bw + 40 lbs.(30 lb.
dumbbell between feet, 5 lb. ankle weights on each leg), am closing in
on 10 reps that way, getting very good height - hitting my head on the
ceiling for most reps (was hoping it would knock some sense into me but
it's a drop ceiling and all I do is move the tiles).
Congrats again - excellent work.
> "Hobbes" <khobm...@yahoo.com> schreef:
>
> >> I don't know. For lats and biceps, I only do pullups (and
> >> muscleups). Perhaps I should add some kind of rows though.
>
> > I've never found that necessary.
>
> I was under the impression that a lot of PLers do rows because certain
> muscles that are used during the deadlift are worked very hard. You even
> feel them in the glutes and hams.
I'm actually olympic lifting now, but I never found much benefit to
rows. I'd say they balance the upper body with the benching more than
help the deadlift.
>
> And i heard that they give you this "of the floor power."
>
> > I basically do bodyweight pull-ups.
>
> Does that help a powerlifter?
Nope. Just do it to balance the overhead stuff and do some work for the
back and biceps.
>
> I mean, with rows, the traps and lower back are stressed much harder then
> pullups, due to reatraction of the shoulder blades and the bend over
> postition. Will pull-ups transfer strength to the deadlift?
>
> > (I've done as many as a set of 40...
>
> You guys are amazing...
> Your legs/glutes/waist are pretty strong, and therefore pretty heavy, and
> yet you manage to do 40 reps?
> How many reps can you you do when doing pulldowns full stack (300 pounds i
> believe...)
I've never met a stack I couldn't lift.
:^)
I am fairly bottom heavy - big legs and all. But I've always been good
at pulling exercises for some reason. I think the fairly long arms might
actually help there. I couldn't do 40 right now - I separated my
shoulders playing rugby last summer and the pull-up hurt. I'm back to
doing 3-4 quick sets of 10 at the very end of my workout.
>
> > although they were done very
> > sloppily), cleans and deadlifts and can row pretty much anything I feel
> > like. I've put 450 lbs on a t-bar thing and did sets of 5.
>
> Lot of weight.
> Have you ever tried cable rows with a long range of motion?
Once in a while - again, just to do the entire stack. I don't use
machines much.
And I'm sloppy or cheat in most movements. PL mentality. So it's not
really that impressive.
--
Keith
Ditto, DZ. Incredible.
When I was in high school there was a guy who did dips with 200 pounds
strapped to him. His nickname was Monk and (no surprise) he had some
fantastic triceps development.
And, H-h-hodges, nice to see you're still around. ;o)
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Oh, I'm not around here much. Summer is here and I'm out most of the time.
And training. After figuring out I'm a fat fuck, I'm focused on cutting.
I'm down 3 lbs. But with the heavy beer drinking lately, it's been hard to
drop more.
> Thanks guys. So that it isn't an internet lift, here is a rather large
> (and a sideway, too) clip of a 170 lb chinup, made today:
> http://statgen.ncsu.edu/zaykin/tmp/dz-170lb-chin.avi
Okay, saw it. Impressive, especially te ROM and that double "Squeeze" at the
top.
> It's 6 25 lb plates, a 10 lb plate, and the 10 lb weight holder. I
> also have another clip with 175 lb (it was the next set and I felt
> ambitious), but I didn't quite manage to place the chin over the bar.
Thats 168 + 170, right? 338.
Have you tried the full stack at the pulldown, Medium/small grip, and and
see how many reps you can do with 300?
Would be logical if you could do 5-6 reps.
----
Pete
Just want to know how you managed such a feat sideways.
How is they weightholder working out for you?
>JMW:
>> Excellent! I'm still working on getting a single clean rep with half
>> my bodyweight. It's been several years since I've done that.
>
>Charles:
>> DZ can be described physically as being all prick and ribs
>
>Larry Hodges:
>> Nicely done.
>
>Curt James:
>> Ditto, DZ. Incredible.
>
>Jason Earl:
>> That's absolutely sick.
>
>Pete:
>> DZ is a freak, i dont like him...
>
>Steve Freides:
>> Congrats again - excellent work.
>
>Thanks guys. So that it isn't an internet lift, here is a rather large
>(and a sideway, too) clip of a 170 lb chinup, made today:
>http://statgen.ncsu.edu/zaykin/tmp/dz-170lb-chin.avi
>
>It's 6 25 lb plates, a 10 lb plate, and the 10 lb weight holder. I
>also have another clip with 175 lb (it was the next set and I felt
>ambitious), but I didn't quite manage to place the chin over the bar.
>
>And Dr. Freides, plz shutup about the form! I already took off the
>gloves, just for you.
Impressive Dmitri!
It looks to be a bit of a 'Nutcracker' as another talented Russian
once wrote! Is it?
Can you do a pull-up with the same weight (pronated grip)?
Emmy eat your heart out!
Have a great Sunday y'all - you know I intend to! ;o)
I think conceal is a clue. This may well be some CIA trick and the lift
was actually done sideways
to lessen the effect of gravity! Curt will know...
>
>> How is they weightholder working out for you?
>
> Well, it's still shiny as new, so perhaps it is made of stainless
> steel. But I'm getting it almost filled up to the top with
> 25's. Perhaps I'll have to look for a longer one next year...
DZ that is very impressive and to think you are outgrowing your
weightholder!
--
Bob Volkmer
>Charles <j...@msn.com> wrote:
>> It looks to be a bit of a 'Nutcracker' as another talented Russian
>> once wrote! Is it?
>
>Not really. But I wear long socks to protect lower part of the legs
>from the plates hitting them.
>
>> Can you do a pull-up with the same weight (pronated grip)?
>
>I haven't tried, but I'm sure that it would be a lower weight. Funny
>how it works - I can do more bodyweight pullups than bodyweight
>chinups.
That is odd, but I too am more comfortable with pull-ups than chins.
I'm still doing 3 sets of 10 pull-ups with 15 kgs (33.07 lbs) three
times a week, but any attempt to up the additional weight is negated
by a consequent working to failure in each set at about repetition 6
or 7!
>DZ wrote:
>> Lee Michaels <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Just want to know how you managed such a feat sideways.
>>
>> I tried to conceal the fact and did a search for freeware that would
>> allow me to rotate videos. Nothing come out of it immediately and then
>> I got sidetracked...
>
>I think conceal is a clue. This may well be some CIA trick and the lift
>was actually done sideways
>to lessen the effect of gravity! Curt will know...
Hey, don't "encourage" me, Bob! And while I'm more familiar with the
PTA than the CIA, maybe http://irfanview.com/ would have some freeware
to help with rotating videos. MP3 and AVI are both pasted across the
top of their Web site's front page.
But getting back to the CIA... WHERE ARE THEY HOLDING JOHN WILLIAMS?
>>> How is they weightholder working out for you?
>>
>> Well, it's still shiny as new, so perhaps it is made of stainless
>> steel. But I'm getting it almost filled up to the top with
>> 25's.
Fit two more on there? Or three at most. Could you move to 35's? And
where do I mail a new bag of long socks? Such a Herculean effort
deserves sponsorship of some kind. I'm starting with an offer of new
socks. (Hey, I said I was poor.)
>> Perhaps I'll have to look for a longer one next year...
>
>DZ that is very impressive and to think you are outgrowing your
>weightholder!
Incredible. And I'm curious about the full stack on a pulldown
machine, too, DZ. I imagine it's similar to a Smith machine bench
versus a Olympic bar bench? Although the bar's on a free-moving
cable... I wonder how that would translate.
...
AMAZING! It's incredible just to read about the weighted chinup, but
the avi just loaded (yeah, dial-up) and I watched you do seven reps,
DZ. (Okay, I kept clicking "Play".) Yeah, the second squeeze at the
top makes it a "no doubt, no questions" moment. Incredible.
http://statgen.ncsu.edu/zaykin/tmp/dz-170lb-chin.avi
But, hey, I can do that.
...
No, I don't mean the chin with 170#, I'm talking about the guy next to
you, lowering the empty Smith machine bar using straps! Heck, I
wouldn't even need straps, I'll bet.
And if Irfan doesn't help rotate the video then flipping the monitor
on its side does work. Ask me how I know. ;o)
--
Curt
No complaints here, Comrade - excellent work. Form looks solid to me.
Your chin went over the bar, and that's all that's required. Whatever
'hitch' there may have been, I will only complain once I can equal your
achievement. :)
Didn't I once, a while back, save a .AVI of yours as a .WMV so that it
would be smaller? I could try that again and see if I could rotate it
as well. I'm no video expert but I do have some software for this,
Pinnacle Studio, and I can navigate through it well enough.
I've been pointed to:
You could do this as well as I could - let me know if you want me to do
it, otherwise I'll leave it to you.
I know what you mean. In my little computer company, someone else
writes most of the user interfaces and I focus on system-level stuff and
data-manipulation stuff, batch processing, and the like. I hate writing
user interfaces, and even though there are plenty of good,
object-oriented ways of doing this, I still prefer my software powerful
but unfriendly. :)
Anyway, that should give you what you need to "right" your pullup
performance. :)
> Lee Michaels <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Just want to know how you managed such a feat sideways.
>
> I tried to conceal the fact and did a search for freeware that would
> allow me to rotate videos. Nothing come out of it immediately and then
> I got sidetracked...
mplayer/mencoder works for me. The command line that I used was:
mencoder -oac copy -ovc lavc -vop rotate dz-170lb-chin.avi
This created a new test.avi that looked good. It apparently also
re-encoded the video, the resulting file was less than half the size
of the original.
>> How is they weightholder working out for you?
>
> Well, it's still shiny as new, so perhaps it is made of stainless
> steel. But I'm getting it almost filled up to the top with
> 25's. Perhaps I'll have to look for a longer one next year...
Impressive lift.
Jason
> Jason Earl <je...@xmission.com> wrote:
>> DZ writes:
>>> Lee Michaels <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Just want to know how you managed such a feat sideways.
>>>
>>> I tried to conceal the fact and did a search for freeware that would
>>> allow me to rotate videos. Nothing come out of it immediately and then
>>> I got sidetracked...
>>
>> mplayer/mencoder works for me. The command line that I used was:
>>
>> mencoder -oac copy -ovc lavc -vop rotate dz-170lb-chin.avi
>>
>> This created a new test.avi that looked good. It apparently also
>> re-encoded the video, the resulting file was less than half the
>> size of the original.
>
> Hungarian GNU with Cyrillic support?
Debian GNU/Linux fortified with vitamins and iron.
> Sounds good. I missed it partly because it's not a part of standard
> Fedora repositories (I become so spoiled that I stopped compiling
> new kernels and only install programs with "yum install").
I know precisely what you mean. If a program doesn't exist in the
standard Debian repositories it is dead to me. mplayer happens to be
one of the three exceptions that I have installed by hand in
/usr/local/. In fact, if I could figure out how to rotate video with
ffmpeg (which is in the repository) then I would have suggested ffmpeg
instead.
Jason
>> And I'm curious about the full stack on a pulldown machine, too,
>> DZ. <snip>I wonder how that would translate.
>
>I used to go to a gym with a well-calibrated 300 lb stack (it used to
>balance at exactly my weight), but it's been padlocked
>(http://www.wral.com/news/9375815/detail.html),
Yeah, I read that earlier. :o( Hopefully, their differences will be
settled and the gym reopened. Unfortunately, I trained at a place
years and years ago that was padlocked by the sheriff's department.
The gym was Club Phoenix, but this phoenix didn't rise from the
flames. Those doors never reopened.
They had it all. Free weights, machines, indoor and outdoor pool,
indoor track, and... CHALK!
>so I cannot check how many I can do.
>
>My past experience with pulldown machines (it was before I got the
>weightholder) is that I couldn't progress as well as with weighted
>chinups.
Interesting.
--
Curt