Dramatic Changes in Actor's physiques for movies
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been some films which have shown actors with pretty dramatic physique
changes. Considering an actor usually wouldn't spend more than a year
at most working on one movie, the gains seem way higher than normal !
Are steroids being used ?
Here's what i'm referring to
Charlie Sheen in Hotshots 2
Edward Norton for American History X (this one really blew me away,
seeing him in Fight club it seemed like a different person!)
John Travolta in Staying alive (the man looks good in this film, sly
apparently trained him for it)
any others ?
R
Ian Manning
: Is there something that Hollywood knows that we do not ? There have
: been some films which have shown actors with pretty dramatic physique
: changes. Considering an actor usually wouldn't spend more than a year
: at most working on one movie, the gains seem way higher than normal !
If someone said to you, you can be in a movie and make millions
of dollars - but you have to be lean - do you think you could do it?
All you have to do for a year is train. Someone cooks for you,
someone tells you what to eat, and how to exercise. You dont have
to work or get a real job... bastards.
: Are steroids being used ?
Yes, but not for any of the people you mentioned!
These people aren't big at all, they just have low body-fat.
Ian
: Here's what i'm referring to
: Charlie Sheen in Hotshots 2
: Edward Norton for American History X (this one really blew me away,
: seeing him in Fight club it seemed like a different person!)
: John Travolta in Staying alive (the man looks good in this film, sly
: apparently trained him for it)
: any others ?
: R
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MikeL
>Is there something that Hollywood knows that we do not ? There have
>been some films which have shown actors with pretty dramatic physique
>changes. Considering an actor usually wouldn't spend more than a year
>at most working on one movie, the gains seem way higher than normal !
>
>Are steroids being used ?
>
>Here's what i'm referring to
>
>Charlie Sheen in Hotshots 2
>Edward Norton for American History X (this one really blew me away,
>seeing him in Fight club it seemed like a different person!)
>John Travolta in Staying alive (the man looks good in this film, sly
>apparently trained him for it)
They have really nothing else they have to do but get ready for that
role. They surely don't havr to work any 9-5 job. On top of that
they have enough $ to buy the finest personal trainers, nutritionists,
and drugs (should they go that route).
Not all that hard to figure out really.
--
ML
"BTW, i only need testicles for cosmetic reasons."
--Pete
Robert Schuh
> Is there something that Hollywood knows that we do not ? There have
> been some films which have shown actors with pretty dramatic physique
> changes. Considering an actor usually wouldn't spend more than a year
> at most working on one movie, the gains seem way higher than normal !
>
> Are steroids being used ?
>
> Here's what i'm referring to
>
> Charlie Sheen in Hotshots 2
> Edward Norton for American History X (this one really blew me away,
> seeing him in Fight club it seemed like a different person!)
> John Travolta in Staying alive (the man looks good in this film, sly
> apparently trained him for it)
>
> any others ?
>
> R
The thing that you must remember is that these guy are skinny ass
motherfuckers. Even old Stallone in the Rocky movies was maybe 150 tops,
and I mean TOPS!! :-) I think that most don't work out in the first place
and when they do and use a strict diet, they get into shape. People out
there get so impressed with this while it is all in close proximity to
all if more people just had little more self discipline when it came ot
dieting. Goal setting makes a HUGE difference with all of this too. Just
think how motivating a 5 million $ movie deal would be to diet! :-)
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ClintThompson
>The thing that you must remember is that these guy are skinny ass
>motherfuckers. Even old Stallone in the Rocky movies was maybe 150 tops,
>and I mean TOPS!! :-) I think that most don't work out in the first place
>and when they do and use a strict diet, they get into shape. People out
>there get so impressed with this while it is all in close proximity to
>all if more people just had little more self discipline when it came ot
>dieting. Goal setting makes a HUGE difference with all of this too. Just
>think how motivating a 5 million $ movie deal would be to diet! :-)
>
>
Hahaha. Stallone was not 150 in the rocky movies, bobbi. He was more like
175-180. Basically he was bigger and more developed than you ever were.
Pretty sad considering a weekend-warrior actor who barely trains can be more
impressive than a Mr. Phoenix who ruined his health with steroids.
Lisa
>Is there something that Hollywood knows that we do not ? There have
>been some films which have shown actors with pretty dramatic physique
>changes. Considering an actor usually wouldn't spend more than a year
>at most working on one movie, the gains seem way higher than normal !
>
>Are steroids being used ?
>
>Here's what i'm referring to
>
>Charlie Sheen in Hotshots 2
>Edward Norton for American History X (this one really blew me away,
>seeing him in Fight club it seemed like a different person!)
>John Travolta in Staying alive (the man looks good in this film, sly
>apparently trained him for it)
>
>any others ?
Any others?
Can any discussion of male Hollywood physiques not include the delectable
Denzel Washington's well-trained bod in 'Hurricane'? Mediocre moviemaking, but
great training results. Uhm... good genetics, too. :)
Lisa
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effort and men who fear women.--Eric Midkiff
Lisa
IanCrk
>but
>great training results.
Saw an interview with him on Good Morning America. That was one of the
questions (how he prepared for the physical part). He said it was all done in a
year, with personal trainers, dietitians, etc. Also said he had alomost
returned to his previous shape within months of finishing the picture.
Robert Schuh
> Travolta used deca in prep for "Staying Alive" (this is true)
>
> He now uses cheeseburgers to prepare for his roles...(also true)
> ___________________
> DARE
> To
> End
> The
> War
> On
> Drugs
Yeah,
An anonymous AOLer knows that to be true. What a fucking asshole. IF old
John used Deca, why were his arms only 11"?
true...@my-deja.com
Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> The thing that you must remember is that these guy are skinny ass
> motherfuckers. Even old Stallone in the Rocky movies was maybe 150
tops,
> and I mean TOPS!! :-) I think that most don't work out in the first
place
> and when they do and use a strict diet, they get into shape. People
out
> there get so impressed with this while it is all in close proximity to
> all if more people just had little more self discipline when it came
ot
> dieting. Goal setting makes a HUGE difference with all of this too.
Just
> think how motivating a 5 million $ movie deal would be to diet! :-)
>
I'd be VERY surprised if Stallone was only 150 at his largest. Even if
he's only like 5'7" or so, I don't see it. Say what you want about
Sly's acting, he definitely ain't skinny. In fact, the Rocky movies
tried to pass him off as a heavyweight somewhere around 200 lbs. While
the moviemakers may have exaggerated, I don't think they'd do it by that
much.
Ed Norton got pretty big in American History X. Maybe not bodybuilder
big, but big compared to his natural bodyweight, which is ferret-thin.
Nicholas Cage got beefed up for Kiss of Death and got ripped for Con
Air. He too was very skinny (see Raising Arizona). Other guys who
muscled up are Ray Liotta (Surviving the Game), Robert De Niro (Cape
Fear), and Christian Bale (American Psycho). None of these guys turned
into Mr. Olympia, but they definitely got impressive physiques by not
only losing fat but also adding muscle in a very short time. If all it
took was strict adherence to diet, I'd think we'd see a lot more good
physiques walking around.
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>
> They have really nothing else they have to do but get
ready for that
> role. They surely don't havr to work any 9-5 job.
That makes a big difference. Plenty of time to train, rest,
eat. No stress, long hours and skipped meals due to a job.
> On top of that
> they have enough $ to buy the finest personal trainers,
nutritionists,
> and drugs (should they go that route).
>
> Not all that hard to figure out really.
>
>
Also, people look larger on camera. That's readily apparent
whenever you meet an actor or TV personality in person.
> --
>
> ML
>
> "BTW, i only need testicles for cosmetic reasons."
> --Pete
--
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Number Nine
Number Nine
>From: Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com>
>Date: Fri, Apr 7, 2000 01:07 EDT
>Message-id: <38ED6D09...@yahoo.com>
>An anonymous AOLer knows that to be true. What a fucking asshole. IF old
>John used Deca, why were his arms only 11"?
More like 14-15", from the looks of them...why? Cause he has genetics almost as
bad as yours, Shoe, and I'm not refering to his lack of intelligence...
>
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he was trained by Vince Gironda. As far as Travolta using Deca in
Staying Alive, thats not hard to believe. Even using steroids, you
don't turn into the Hulk overnight. As I understand it, its all dose
dependent and has a lot to do with how long you use it too. Maybe these
guys only take it for a month or two as a finishing touch of sorts.
In article <20000406175543...@ng-fm1.aol.com>,
Mark Deayton
true...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
> Ed Norton got pretty big in American History X. Maybe not bodybuilder
> big, but big compared to his natural bodyweight, which is ferret-thin.
> Nicholas Cage got beefed up for Kiss of Death and got ripped for Con
> Air. He too was very skinny (see Raising Arizona). Other guys who
> muscled up are Ray Liotta (Surviving the Game), Robert De Niro (Cape
> Fear)
Not to mention DeNiro in Raging Bull, which by itself was an amazing
physical transformation. DeNiro rules.
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Stephen Mulholland
h wrote in message <38ec3f66...@news.curtin.edu.au>...
>Is there something that Hollywood knows that we do not ? There have
>been some films which have shown actors with pretty dramatic physique
>changes. Considering an actor usually wouldn't spend more than a year
>at most working on one movie, the gains seem way higher than normal !
>
>Are steroids being used ?
>
>Here's what i'm referring to
>
>Charlie Sheen in Hotshots 2
>Edward Norton for American History X (this one really blew me away,
>seeing him in Fight club it seemed like a different person!)
>John Travolta in Staying alive (the man looks good in this film, sly
>apparently trained him for it)
>
>any others ?
The glorious Angela Basset in that Tina Turner biopic, whatever it was
called.
Stephen Mulholland
mulho...@rocketmail.com
>
>R
Vikram Khare
>Can any discussion of male Hollywood physiques not include the delectable
No secret there, he trained in a boxing gym for like 18months and lost
40lbs of flab. He talked about it in some interviews when he was
promoting the film.
-Eric
Lee Tucker
> The glorious Angela Basset in that Tina Turner biopic, whatever it was
> called.
Did you see her present at the Oscars? I was amazed at the
development of her back. Damn, I wish mine looked that broad
and muscular. And her arms were large and defined. This is
the female ideal Hollywood should be pushing on the American
public; not anorexic Ally McBeal clones, or over-siliconed,
lip-injected, liposculpted baywatch girls.
Lee
korn fed dot com
I actually have little or no interest in the actual appearance of
the female of the species. However, at least Angela looks
healthy and can probably manage to pulverize any men giving her
unwanted attention.
Robert Schuh
Yeah, my genetics really suck Mr. AOL coward. Tell me, how high have you placed at
the NPC Nationals? Take a look:
http://www.musclememory.com/cgi-bin/search?name=schuh&gender=M
Put up or shut up pussy!! :-)
Robert Schuh
> What about the guy who played Tarzan in the Bo Derek version? I heard
> he was trained by Vince Gironda. As far as Travolta using Deca in
> Staying Alive, thats not hard to believe. Even using steroids, you
> don't turn into the Hulk overnight. As I understand it, its all dose
> dependent and has a lot to do with how long you use it too. Maybe these
> guys only take it for a month or two as a finishing touch of sorts.
>
Miles Okeefe, the guy from that movie was THE reason that I decided to get
back in shape way back when. I had become kind of fat from not working out,
eating and practicing the drums in my early college says. I saw that movie
and got back into it.
Robert Schuh
> In article <38ECB9BC...@yahoo.com>,
> Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > The thing that you must remember is that these guy are skinny ass
> > motherfuckers. Even old Stallone in the Rocky movies was maybe 150
> tops,
> > and I mean TOPS!! :-) I think that most don't work out in the first
> place
> > and when they do and use a strict diet, they get into shape. People
> out
> > there get so impressed with this while it is all in close proximity to
> > all if more people just had little more self discipline when it came
> ot
> > dieting. Goal setting makes a HUGE difference with all of this too.
> Just
> > think how motivating a 5 million $ movie deal would be to diet! :-)
> >
>
> I'd be VERY surprised if Stallone was only 150 at his largest. Even if
> he's only like 5'7" or so, I don't see it. Say what you want about
> Sly's acting, he definitely ain't skinny. In fact, the Rocky movies
> tried to pass him off as a heavyweight somewhere around 200 lbs. While
> the moviemakers may have exaggerated, I don't think they'd do it by that
> much.
No offense, but I have FAR more experience than you in this area. Stallone
was small for the Rocky roles. If you saw him in person, you would have been
shocked. If you are really lean and not big like him, you ALWAYS weigh less.
WEight really doesn't mean shit anyway. I won the NPC Phoenix BBing
Championships at 176 at 5'9.5". If I had photos from that on the web, most
people would have guessed I weighed at least 20 lbs heavier. When I was
getting ready for the NPC Nationals in 1990, Chris Aceto thought that I was
going to be heavy and I weighed 188 at the time. Remember, the movies are
fantasy! :-)
>
>
> Ed Norton got pretty big in American History X. Maybe not bodybuilder
> big, but big compared to his natural bodyweight, which is ferret-thin.
IT is relative. The guy was still thin. Film puts a great deal of weight on
you and leanness gives the appearance or being larger too.
>
> Nicholas Cage got beefed up for Kiss of Death and got ripped for Con
> Air. He too was very skinny (see Raising Arizona). Other guys who
> muscled up are Ray Liotta (Surviving the Game), Robert De Niro (Cape
> Fear), and Christian Bale (American Psycho). None of these guys turned
> into Mr. Olympia, but they definitely got impressive physiques by not
> only losing fat but also adding muscle in a very short time. If all it
> took was strict adherence to diet, I'd think we'd see a lot more good
> physiques walking around.
>
I still promise you that if you saw these guys in person you would shit at
how small they actually were in person. If they had ANY size at all they
would have looked too big for the role. If you stuck Ronnie Coleman in film,
people would think that Godzilla was real! :-)
Steve Gallagher
Robert Schuh wrote:
>
>
> No offense, but I have FAR more experience than you in this area. Stallone
> was small for the Rocky roles. If you saw him in person, you would have been
> shocked. If you are really lean and not big like him, you ALWAYS weigh less.
I don't know much about eyeballing weight and such, but I have to agree with you
on this one. When I first moved to Philly from NYC, I was wandeing downtown
Philly, just scoping out my new surroundings, when I came upon a crowd and
some activity at the Art Museum. It was Stallone, filming the scene in Rocky II
where he and the army of kids run up the Museum steps. Totally cool thing to
stumble on as a spectator in a new town (though it looked like Sly was going
whacko
trying to get those kids to charge up the stairs and "do the Rocky dance" as he
called
it without looking into the freakin' camera, he must've shot it like 15 times).
But I
digress. In any event, Stallone was a LITTLE guy. I mean LITTLE.
--
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I choose my path with heart and rejoice."
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Anonymous
Robert Schuh wrote:
> true...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > The thing that you must remember is that these guy are skinny ass
> > > motherfuckers. Even old Stallone in the Rocky movies was maybe 150
> > > tops, and I mean TOPS!! :-) I think that most don't work out in the first
> > > place and when they do and use a strict diet, they get into shape. People
> > > out there get so impressed with this while it is all in close proximity to
> > > all if more people just had little more self discipline when it came
> > > to dieting. Goal setting makes a HUGE difference with all of this too.
> > > Just think how motivating a 5 million $ movie deal would be to diet! :-)
> > I'd be VERY surprised if Stallone was only 150 at his largest. Even if
> > he's only like 5'7" or so, I don't see it. Say what you want about
> > Sly's acting, he definitely ain't skinny. In fact, the Rocky movies
> > tried to pass him off as a heavyweight somewhere around 200 lbs. While
> > the moviemakers may have exaggerated, I don't think they'd do it by that
> > much.
>
> No offense, but I have FAR more experience than you in this area. Stallone
> was small for the Rocky roles. If you saw him in person, you would have been
> shocked.
In some movies, they have made Stallone look to be maybe 6 feet one
or two (e.g., "Oscar.") But he actually is quite short (I don't know
how short.) I suppose they hired only short actors and actresses,
built slightly small sets, and kept the camera low at all times.
For a real comparison, consider the movie where he was in the ring with
Hulk Hogan. Nope, Stallone was not anywhere near 200 lb.
Now they probably do use steroids to help get in shape, just as
a guess. I mean, why not? But Rob is completely correct: even so,
they are not huge by any means. The camera can easily add 20 lb
or more.
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Number Nine
>From: Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com>
>Message-id: <38EE350A...@yahoo.com>
>
>Number Nine wrote:
>
>> >Subject: Re: Dramatic Changes in Actor's physiques for movies
>> >From: Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com>
>> >Date: Fri, Apr 7, 2000 01:07 EDT
>> >Message-id: <38ED6D09...@yahoo.com>
>> >
>> >Number Nine wrote:
>> >
>> >> Travolta used deca in prep for "Staying Alive" (this is true)
>> >>
>> >> He now uses cheeseburgers to prepare for his roles...(also true)
>> >> ___________________
>> >> DARE
>> >> To
>> >> End
>> >> The
>> >> War
>> >> On
>> >> Drugs
>> >
>> >Yeah,
>> >An anonymous AOLer knows that to be true. What a fucking asshole. IF old
>> >John used Deca, why were his arms only 11"?
>>
>> More like 14-15", from the looks of them...why? Cause he has genetics
>almost as
>> bad as yours, Shoe, and I'm not refering to his lack of intelligence...
>>
>> >
>> >Robert Schuh
>> >"The Most Trolled Man On The Internet!"
>> >Stevie, Trane, Jaco, Jimi and Bird are GODS!
>> >Donate your organs. Save a life.
>> >Proud Endorser of Spaun Drums
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> DARE
>> To
>> End
>> The
>> War
>> On
>> Drugs
>
>Yeah, my genetics really suck Mr. AOL coward. Tell me, how high have you
>placed at
>the NPC Nationals? Take a look:
>http://www.musclememory.com/cgi-bin/search?name=schuh&gender=M
>Put up or shut up pussy!! :-)
>
You look and write like Pee Wee Herman after he just got out of a concentration
camp after several botched frontal lobotomies.
Butch Up, Shoe---you're a loser.
>
>--
>Robert Schuh
>"The Most Trolled Man On The Internet!"
>Stevie, Trane, Jaco, Jimi and Bird are GODS!
>Donate your organs. Save a life.
>Proud Endorser of Spaun Drums
>
>
>
George UK
>Miles Okeefe, the guy from that movie was THE reason that I decided to get
>back in shape way back when. I had become kind of fat from not working out,
>eating and practicing the drums in my early college says. I saw that movie
>and got back into it.
>
dad was shocked when it was Miles Okeefes physique that I was
impressed by and not Bo Dereks. Miles has apeared on a UK talk show a
few times recently, and he has "filled out" a lot.
There was also the guy who apeared in the film "Beastmaster" .He also
apeared in "V". Can't remember his name.
:George UK
-------------
www.trainhard.co.uk
Robert Schuh
Yeah you have me. I wonder why it is so hard for all of my little
AOL trolls to use their real names? What consequences are they afraid of?
AOL is the last true bastion for the cowards of the universe. Who knows?
This is probably fat boy Josh using yet ANOTHER fake screen name. It is
too bad. Josh is a bright kid with a good sense of humor. I wish he could
get the help he needs.
bigbootie
>also apeared in "V". Can't remember his name.
are you talking about the cross-eyed guy who was real lean? Marc
Singer is his name, if that's the guy.
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>
> >Miles Okeefe, the guy from that movie was THE reason that I decided to get
> >back in shape way back when. I had become kind of fat from not working out,
> >eating and practicing the drums in my early college says. I saw that movie
> >and got back into it.
> >
> LOL. I remember when they showed this film on UK television, and my
> dad was shocked when it was Miles Okeefes physique that I was
> impressed by and not Bo Dereks. Miles has apeared on a UK talk show a
> few times recently, and he has "filled out" a lot.
>
> There was also the guy who apeared in the film "Beastmaster" .He also
> apeared in "V". Can't remember his name.
>
> :George UK
>
> -------------
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>
> www.weight-train.co.uk
>
>
>
You aren't kidding about him "filling out!" He is a big fat pig now! :-)
KEVIN CLEMENTS
news:38ee61c5...@news.freeserve.net...
> There was also the guy who apeared in the film "Beastmaster" .He also
> apeared in "V". Can't remember his name.
>
> :George UK
Marc Singer?
Kevin Clements
Tom
geo...@gymonthehill.freeserve.co.uk (George UK) wrote:
>
> There was also the guy who apeared in the film "Beastmaster" .He also
> apeared in "V". Can't remember his name.
Marc Singer?
Tom
h
>>
>>
>> Ed Norton got pretty big in American History X. Maybe not bodybuilder
>> big, but big compared to his natural bodyweight, which is ferret-thin.
>
>IT is relative. The guy was still thin. Film puts a great deal of weight on
>you and leanness gives the appearance or being larger too.
>
appearance on film. No we haven't seen them in real life but if we see
the same actor look radically different in two films then the film
puts a great deal of weight on you doesn't count. You can't tell me
that camera differences accounted for Ed Norton's physique differences
in American History X and Fight Club ? Even Arnold said he though
Norton did a few cycles of roids !
>>
>> Nicholas Cage got beefed up for Kiss of Death and got ripped for Con
>> Air. He too was very skinny (see Raising Arizona). Other guys who
>> muscled up are Ray Liotta (Surviving the Game), Robert De Niro (Cape
>> Fear), and Christian Bale (American Psycho). None of these guys turned
>> into Mr. Olympia, but they definitely got impressive physiques by not
>> only losing fat but also adding muscle in a very short time. If all it
>> took was strict adherence to diet, I'd think we'd see a lot more good
>> physiques walking around.
>>
>
>I still promise you that if you saw these guys in person you would shit at
>how small they actually were in person. If they had ANY size at all they
>would have looked too big for the role. If you stuck Ronnie Coleman in film,
>people would think that Godzilla was real! :-)
>
>
Robert De Niro or Nick Cage with Ronnie Coleman. We are comparing Nic
Cage in such and such film with Nick Cage in this film. get the idea
???
No one is saying these guys suddenly became pro bodybuilders, just
their gains were pretty damm radical !
stay cool
George UK
>You aren't kidding about him "filling out!" He is a big fat pig now! :-)
>
>
He apears in low budget "action" movies now. Bit of a porker, but he
seemed a really nice guy. Bo Derek still looks nice though.
George UK
>Marc Singer?
>
My unanimous decision!
I remember he had a huge gap between his nose and his top lip. Too
much space for a moustache!
ClintThompson
>> Now they probably do use steroids to help get in shape, just as
>> a guess. I mean, why not? But Rob is completely correct: even so,
>
>you say that as if there were no health problems associated with steriods.
>
What health problems are associated with steroid use, errock? I would guess
that drugs like Piracetam, Deprenyl, and Hydergeine are much more prone to
adverse side-effects than steroids. Maybe you need to rethink your position on
the so-called smart drugs before you cause permanent brain damage. Although
the possible benefits certainly outweigh the risks in your case.
Robert Schuh
> > Now they probably do use steroids to help get in shape, just as
> > a guess. I mean, why not? But Rob is completely correct: even so,
>
> you say that as if there were no health problems associated with steriods.
Well Eric, seeing that you are the new "Guru" since Dan is gone, tell us ALL
about the dangers of steroids! :-) What a dildo!!
Robert Schuh
> >--
> >Robert Schuh
> >"The Most Trolled Man On The Internet!"
> >Stevie, Trane, Jaco, Jimi and Bird are GODS!
> >Donate your organs. Save a life.
> >Proud Endorser of Spaun Drums
> >
> >
It is just a matter of leanness.
Mark Adams
>
>But I
>digress. In any event, Stallone was a LITTLE guy. I mean LITTLE.
>
Yeah, it's true. I have it on good authority that Stallone is only 5'3" or
so. :)
Actually, look at the Rocky Sly v. the Rambo Sly. He was relatively fat for
Rocky and ripped as shit for Rambo. I understand his secret for the Rambo
movies is lots and lots of Jello.
At least this is what I've heard.....
Mark
Jeff Amason
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eric wrote in message <8cnp90$pim$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>...
Michael Sierchio
>
> h wrote:
> > No one is saying these guys suddenly became pro bodybuilders, just
> > their gains were pretty damm radical !
> It is just a matter of leanness.
The part that hurts the most -- leanness. It's when pizza starts
popping up in dreams. [Homer Simpson voice] "Mmmm.... Pizza..."
Robert Schuh
Yeah,
Old Eric is the new "guru" since Dan left us! :-)
Tim Cecil
>
>
>Robert Schuh wrote:
>
>> > I'd be VERY surprised if Stallone was only 150 at his largest. Even if
>> > he's only like 5'7" or so, I don't see it. Say what you want about
>> > Sly's acting, he definitely ain't skinny. In fact, the Rocky movies
>> > tried to pass him off as a heavyweight somewhere around 200 lbs. While
>> > the moviemakers may have exaggerated, I don't think they'd do it by that
>> > much.
>>
>> No offense, but I have FAR more experience than you in this area. Stallone
>> was small for the Rocky roles. If you saw him in person, you would have
>been
>> shocked.
>
>In some movies, they have made Stallone look to be maybe 6 feet one
>or two (e.g., "Oscar.") But he actually is quite short (I don't know
>how short.) I suppose they hired only short actors and actresses,
>built slightly small sets, and kept the camera low at all times.
They did the same thing with Alan Ladd. And it worked. To me, he is
completely believable in *Shane,* although Gary Cooper would have been a better
casting choice.
>
>For a real comparison, consider the movie where he was in the ring with
>Hulk Hogan. Nope, Stallone was not anywhere near 200 lb.
Rocky II. But then, Hogan was not close to 390 pounds, or 300 for that matter.
Another good comparison for Stallone, WRT height, is *Bananas,* where he
menaces the 5'6" Woody Allen.
Tim Cecil
"You have the temerity to say that I'm speaking to you out of jejunosity?" -
Boris Grushenko (Woody Allen, in *Love and Death*)
wrl...@hotmail.com
things with his physique - somewhere between Rocky II and Rocky III he
went from being some beefy guy from the neighborhood to a real bona
fide bodybuilder (he could definitely have placed in competition with
the look he was sporting in Rocky III and IV). I'd love to know how he
did that.
As for his being more shredded in Rambo, he said he was going for a
leaner jungle look. I'd say he succeeded.
And look at the balls he had to pork up (at the age of 50) for copland,
then rip up again.
George UK
>Hey, for all the Stallone-bashing, you gotta admit he's done remarkable
>things with his physique - somewhere between Rocky II and Rocky III he
>went from being some beefy guy from the neighborhood to a real bona
>fide bodybuilder (he could definitely have placed in competition with
>the look he was sporting in Rocky III and IV). I'd love to know how he
>did that.
What kind of contest are you talking about? Are we talking
bodybuilding? He may have placed top 3- 4 in a poor novice line up,
but that would be all.
>As for his being more shredded in Rambo, he said he was going for a
>leaner jungle look. I'd say he succeeded.
It was only a film
>And look at the balls he had to pork up (at the age of 50) for copland,
>then rip up again.
>
It doesn't take balls to eat. It's actually good fun.
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>Before you buy.
the tree by the river
Anonymous <nob...@newsfeeds.com> wrote:
>
>In some movies, they have made Stallone look to be maybe 6 feet one
>or two (e.g., "Oscar.") But he actually is quite short (I don't know
>how short.) I suppose they hired only short actors and actresses,
>built slightly small sets, and kept the camera low at all times.
I don't know if anyone's ever done an actual study on the matter,
but my impression is that actors tend to be shorter than the
general population (why? I'm sure one could make up lots of
theories). The time that really got me was when the local SAG
office was having a "housewarming" for their new offices and it
was quite a large reception--and looking around, I felt like I
must have been a foot taller than everybody else (1). I think
it's common to have a "stage height" (sorta like a "stage name,"
only numeric).
(1) Um, individually, anyway; if you piled them all up in one
big heap, they'd be taller, I'm sure of it.
You can do a lot with sets, camera angles, and even how the
other performers act and react. One fight sequence I was in
started off with my screen-opponent (Mark Grove, who is a very
good friend and whom I would never, ever kill off-camera)
throwing a punch at me while jumping up. He doesn't actually
get much height out of the move, and it creates the impression
that I'm towering over him even more than I actually am.
>they are not huge by any means. The camera can easily add 20 lb
>or more.
20 lbs, six inches, etc. Of course, it depends a lot on the skill
of the one behind the camera and the lighting people as to where
those 20 lbs and six inches end up getting added....
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KaneeshiWa
Why don't you downplay everything Stallone has done. Sounds like a bit of the
green-eyed monster. Cheers.
>Subject: Re: Dramatic Changes in Actor's physiques for movies
>From: geo...@gymonthehill.freeserve.co.uk (George UK)
>Date: 4/10/2000 3:22 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <38f2322...@news.freeserve.net>
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Amy
George UK wrote:
>
> >Miles Okeefe, the guy from that movie was THE reason that I decided to get
> >back in shape way back when. I had become kind of fat from not working out,
> >eating and practicing the drums in my early college says. I saw that movie
> >and got back into it.
> >
> LOL. I remember when they showed this film on UK television, and my
> dad was shocked when it was Miles Okeefes physique that I was
> impressed by and not Bo Dereks. Miles has apeared on a UK talk show a
> few times recently, and he has "filled out" a lot.
>
> There was also the guy who apeared in the film "Beastmaster" .He also
> apeared in "V". Can't remember his name.
>
> :George UK
>
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>
> www.weight-train.co.uk
>
>
>
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desire counted, I'd be right up there!" - me :-)
Watson Davis
wrote:
>
>
>Robert Schuh wrote:
>> true...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> > Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > The thing that you must remember is that these guy are skinny ass
>> > > motherfuckers. Even old Stallone in the Rocky movies was maybe 150
>> > > tops, and I mean TOPS!! :-) I think that most don't work out in the first
>> > > place and when they do and use a strict diet, they get into shape. People
>> > > out there get so impressed with this while it is all in close proximity to
>> > > all if more people just had little more self discipline when it came
>> > > to dieting. Goal setting makes a HUGE difference with all of this too.
>> > > Just think how motivating a 5 million $ movie deal would be to diet! :-)
>
>> > I'd be VERY surprised if Stallone was only 150 at his largest. Even if
>> > he's only like 5'7" or so, I don't see it. Say what you want about
>> > Sly's acting, he definitely ain't skinny. In fact, the Rocky movies
>> > tried to pass him off as a heavyweight somewhere around 200 lbs. While
>> > the moviemakers may have exaggerated, I don't think they'd do it by that
>> > much.
>>
>> No offense, but I have FAR more experience than you in this area. Stallone
>> was small for the Rocky roles. If you saw him in person, you would have been
>> shocked.
>
>In some movies, they have made Stallone look to be maybe 6 feet one
>or two (e.g., "Oscar.") But he actually is quite short (I don't know
>how short.) I suppose they hired only short actors and actresses,
>built slightly small sets, and kept the camera low at all times.
>
>For a real comparison, consider the movie where he was in the ring with
>Hulk Hogan. Nope, Stallone was not anywhere near 200 lb.
>
>Now they probably do use steroids to help get in shape, just as
>a guess. I mean, why not? But Rob is completely correct: even so,
>they are not huge by any means. The camera can easily add 20 lb
>or more.
Let's see, Samuel L. Jackson is only about 5' 9" even though he looks
at least 6+' in the movies. Tom Cruise is like 5'4" or 5' 5".
Redford is similarly petite.
I've heard from someonewhoshallremainnameless that Demi Moore used
steroids to get into shape for the GI Jane role. Which is really
kinda said because she obviously wasn't hitting the weights very hard
if that was all the size she got out of them. Iggy Pop claims that
he's built his physique through a combination of steroids,
weightlifting and starvation... and I think it emphasizes the fact
that steroid use without proper amounts of food won't get you built.
I think lots of actors toy around with weights but make the normal
newbie mistakes. Then when they need to get big or pumped, they use
steroids without really knowing how to get maximum benefit out of
their use.
As to Stallone, I had heard that he was about 155-165 for the Rocky
roles and the problem was trying to make someone who was so small look
like a heavyweight.
OTOH, I've heard from someoneelsewhoshallremainnameless that Howie
Long (who's pretty frikkin big) was NOT using steroids while playing
for the Raiders even though many of the other Raiders were. I haven't
heard if he's never, ever used steroids but my source seemed to think
that Howie is a lifetime natural.
Watson (the pencil neck) Davis
George UK
wrote:
>Gee Georgie Porgie Puddnin Pie,
>
>Why don't you downplay everything Stallone has done. Sounds like a bit of the
>green-eyed monster. Cheers.
>
All I said was that I didn't think he was good enough to do well in
contests (He wasn't)
I also said that it was fun to eat (it is)
You are showing yourself up by your unquestioning viewpoint of
Stallone.
Stallone had a nagnificent physique for an actor but a below average
physique for a contest bodybuilder.
wm...@my-deja.com
It may have even been in Muscle and Fitness. In any case, he said he
weighed about 165 for Rock 3. The comment was made in reference to how
big he looked and he said he came down from about 190 in the previous
Rocks. Also, I believe he's about 5'8" or 5'9".
In article <38EE3BD3...@royal.net>,
> --
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wm...@my-deja.com
Watson Davis <wat...@watsonmusic.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 15:49:39 -0400, Anonymous <nob...@newsfeeds.com>
> Let's see, Samuel L. Jackson is only about 5' 9" even though he looks
> at least 6+' in the movies. Tom Cruise is like 5'4" or 5' 5".
> Redford is similarly petite.
>
Samuel Jackson is no way only 5'9". Look at Pulp Fiction. I think
its confirmed Travolta is about 6'. Jackson was taller than him. And I
don't think they needed to make him look taller than Travolta for the
role. He's gotta be about 6'1'', at least.
> I've heard from someonewhoshallremainnameless that Demi Moore used
> steroids to get into shape for the GI Jane role. Which is really
> kinda said because she obviously wasn't hitting the weights very hard
> if that was all the size she got out of them. Iggy Pop claims that
> he's built his physique through a combination of steroids,
> weightlifting and starvation... and I think it emphasizes the fact
> that steroid use without proper amounts of food won't get you built.
>
> I think lots of actors toy around with weights but make the normal
> newbie mistakes. Then when they need to get big or pumped, they use
> steroids without really knowing how to get maximum benefit out of
> their use.
>
> As to Stallone, I had heard that he was about 155-165 for the Rocky
> roles and the problem was trying to make someone who was so small look
> like a heavyweight.
>
> OTOH, I've heard from someoneelsewhoshallremainnameless that Howie
> Long (who's pretty frikkin big) was NOT using steroids while playing
> for the Raiders even though many of the other Raiders were. I haven't
> heard if he's never, ever used steroids but my source seemed to think
> that Howie is a lifetime natural.
>
> Watson (the pencil neck) Davis
>
Spiderman
Watson Davis <wat...@watsonmusic.com> wrote in message
news:add5fs0gjl2jf0k41...@4ax.com...
> steroids to get into shape for the GI Jane role. Which is really
> kinda said because she obviously wasn't hitting the weights very hard
> if that was all the size she got out of them. Iggy Pop claims that
> he's built his physique through a combination of steroids,
> weightlifting and starvation... and I think it emphasizes the fact
> that steroid use without proper amounts of food won't get you built.
>
You forgot Heroin (his favorite supplement) ;~)
Spiderman
Zaf
George UK wrote in message <38f2c4bb...@news.freeserve.net>...
>On 10 Apr 2000 21:05:27 GMT, kanee...@aol.comNOSPAM (KaneeshiWa)
>wrote:
>
>>Gee Georgie Porgie Puddnin Pie,
>>
>>Why don't you downplay everything Stallone has done. Sounds like a bit of
the
>>green-eyed monster. Cheers.
>>
>All I said was that I didn't think he was good enough to do well in
>contests (He wasn't)
>
>I also said that it was fun to eat (it is)
>
>You are showing yourself up by your unquestioning viewpoint of
>Stallone.
>
>Stallone had a nagnificent physique for an actor but a below average
>physique for a contest bodybuilder.
>
I think Carl Weathers, who played Apollo had a much better physique.
It is very unlikely you will find an successful actor with a national level
bb'ing physique.
They would be too big.
Zaf
The gym I've just joined doesn't have barbells, let alone a squat rack.
Mark Cooper
That's not a gym, are you sure you haven't just joined a library or
something?
Stephen Mulholland
Dean C. Harris
(George UK) wrote:
>Stallone had a nagnificent physique for an actor but a below average
>physique for a contest bodybuilder.
What movie you think he looked better in- Rocky 3 or 4?
Press&Pull On...Always:
Dean (the pansy presser) Harris
true...@my-deja.com
still contend that Sly was over 150 for the Rocky movies) but the
dramatic improvement in their physiques (the subject of the original
poster).
It's not just about leaness. If you've got little muscle mass (as most
of these actors had, like most of the general population), getting down
to a low body fat percentage will just make you look skinny and bony,
no matter what lighting or camera angle you used. And to bring up the
example of Ed Norton, he looks far larger in American History X than in
Fight Club, but if anything he was leaner in the latter film (as
demonstrated by his abdominal definition). And I mentioned Nicholas
Cage was very thin and looked it in Raising Arizona but was very bulked
up in Kiss of Death but there is no way you could tell me that Cage was
lean in Kiss of Death.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that these actors built up some
muscle, (more than they had originally, anyway) while losing a lot of
fat. While the muscle gain may not be impressive in the bodybuilding
world, the end result is what a lot of average Joes and Janes shoot for.
In article <38EE3696...@yahoo.com>,
Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> true...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > In article <38ECB9BC...@yahoo.com>,
> > Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > The thing that you must remember is that these guy are skinny ass
> > > motherfuckers. Even old Stallone in the Rocky movies was maybe 150
> > tops,
> > > and I mean TOPS!! :-) I think that most don't work out in the
first
> > place
> > > and when they do and use a strict diet, they get into shape.
People
> > out
> > > there get so impressed with this while it is all in close
proximity to
> > > all if more people just had little more self discipline when it
came
> > ot
> > > dieting. Goal setting makes a HUGE difference with all of this
too.
> > Just
> > > think how motivating a 5 million $ movie deal would be to diet! :-
)
> > >
> >
> > I'd be VERY surprised if Stallone was only 150 at his largest.
Even if
> > he's only like 5'7" or so, I don't see it. Say what you want about
> > Sly's acting, he definitely ain't skinny. In fact, the Rocky movies
> > tried to pass him off as a heavyweight somewhere around 200 lbs.
While
> > the moviemakers may have exaggerated, I don't think they'd do it by
that
> > much.
>
> No offense, but I have FAR more experience than you in this area.
Stallone
> was small for the Rocky roles. If you saw him in person, you would
have been
> shocked. If you are really lean and not big like him, you ALWAYS
weigh less.
> WEight really doesn't mean shit anyway. I won the NPC Phoenix BBing
> Championships at 176 at 5'9.5". If I had photos from that on the web,
most
> people would have guessed I weighed at least 20 lbs heavier. When I
was
> getting ready for the NPC Nationals in 1990, Chris Aceto thought that
I was
> going to be heavy and I weighed 188 at the time. Remember, the
movies are
> fantasy! :-)
>
> >
> >
> > Ed Norton got pretty big in American History X. Maybe not
bodybuilder
> > big, but big compared to his natural bodyweight, which is ferret-
thin.
>
> IT is relative. The guy was still thin. Film puts a great deal of
weight on
> you and leanness gives the appearance or being larger too.
>
> >
> > Nicholas Cage got beefed up for Kiss of Death and got ripped for Con
> > Air. He too was very skinny (see Raising Arizona). Other guys who
> > muscled up are Ray Liotta (Surviving the Game), Robert De Niro (Cape
> > Fear), and Christian Bale (American Psycho). None of these guys
turned
> > into Mr. Olympia, but they definitely got impressive physiques by
not
> > only losing fat but also adding muscle in a very short time. If
all it
> > took was strict adherence to diet, I'd think we'd see a lot more
good
> > physiques walking around.
> >
>
> I still promise you that if you saw these guys in person you would
shit at
> how small they actually were in person. If they had ANY size at all
they
> would have looked too big for the role. If you stuck Ronnie Coleman
in film,
> people would think that Godzilla was real! :-)
>
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eric wrote in message <8cqn5p$4l0$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>...
>yeah, I know that, this crowd would love to believe that there healthier
>than vitamin C, but thats not gonna stop me from saying what I believe.
>
>Jeff Amason <j_am...@moc.oohay> wrote in message
>news:u2nMbsjo$GA.229@cpmsnbbsa03...
>> Boy, you just left yourself wide open for a Coke bottle in the ass.
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Amason
>>
>>
>> eric wrote in message <8cnp90$pim$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>...
>> >> Now they probably do use steroids to help get in shape, just as
>> >> a guess. I mean, why not? But Rob is completely correct: even so,
>> >
Jeff Amason
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Robert Schuh wrote in message <38F0E118...@yahoo.com>...
>Jeff Amason wrote:
>
>> Boy, you just left yourself wide open for a Coke bottle in the ass.
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Amason
>>
>> eric wrote in message <8cnp90$pim$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>...
>> >> Now they probably do use steroids to help get in shape, just as
>> >> a guess. I mean, why not? But Rob is completely correct: even so,
>> >
>> >you say that as if there were no health problems associated with
steriods.
>
>Yeah,
>Old Eric is the new "guru" since Dan left us! :-)
Watson Davis
>In article <add5fs0gjl2jf0k41...@4ax.com>,
> Watson Davis <wat...@watsonmusic.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 15:49:39 -0400, Anonymous <nob...@newsfeeds.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Robert Schuh wrote:
>> >> true...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> >> > Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The thing that you must remember is that these guy are skinny
>ass
>> >> > > motherfuckers. Even old Stallone in the Rocky movies was maybe
>150
>> >> > > tops, and I mean TOPS!! :-) I think that most don't work out
>in the first
>> >> > > place and when they do and use a strict diet, they get into
>shape. People
>> >> > > out there get so impressed with this while it is all in close
>proximity to
>> >> > > all if more people just had little more self discipline when
>it came
>> >> > > to dieting. Goal setting makes a HUGE difference with all of
>this too.
>> >> > > Just think how motivating a 5 million $ movie deal would be to
>diet! :-)
>> >
>> >> > I'd be VERY surprised if Stallone was only 150 at his largest.
>Even if
>> >> > he's only like 5'7" or so, I don't see it. Say what you want
>about
>> >> > Sly's acting, he definitely ain't skinny. In fact, the Rocky
>movies
>> >> > tried to pass him off as a heavyweight somewhere around 200
>lbs. While
>> >> > the moviemakers may have exaggerated, I don't think they'd do it
>by that
>> >> > much.
>> >>
>> >> No offense, but I have FAR more experience than you in this area.
>Stallone
>> >> was small for the Rocky roles. If you saw him in person, you would
>have been
>> >> shocked.
>> >
>> >In some movies, they have made Stallone look to be maybe 6 feet one
>> >or two (e.g., "Oscar.") But he actually is quite short (I don't know
>> >how short.) I suppose they hired only short actors and actresses,
>> >built slightly small sets, and kept the camera low at all times.
>> >
>> >For a real comparison, consider the movie where he was in the ring
>with
>> >Hulk Hogan. Nope, Stallone was not anywhere near 200 lb.
>> >
>> >Now they probably do use steroids to help get in shape, just as
>> >a guess. I mean, why not? But Rob is completely correct: even so,
>> >they are not huge by any means. The camera can easily add 20 lb
>> >or more.
>>
>
>> Let's see, Samuel L. Jackson is only about 5' 9" even though he looks
>> at least 6+' in the movies. Tom Cruise is like 5'4" or 5' 5".
>> Redford is similarly petite.
>>
>
> Samuel Jackson is no way only 5'9". Look at Pulp Fiction. I think
>its confirmed Travolta is about 6'. Jackson was taller than him. And I
>don't think they needed to make him look taller than Travolta for the
>role. He's gotta be about 6'1'', at least.
Friend of mine met him at church. My friend, who's about 5'5", said
5'9" max. He based that on seeing him standing next to guys who's
height he knows.
I was shocked. I'd always assumed Samuel Jackson was minimum of 6'.
Of course, I'd always assumed that Axl Rose was at least 5' 10"; he's
about 5'4" or so.
Anonymous
Watson Davis wrote:
> wm...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > Samuel Jackson is no way only 5'9". Look at Pulp Fiction. I think
> >its confirmed Travolta is about 6'. Jackson was taller than him. And I
> >don't think they needed to make him look taller than Travolta for the
> >role. He's gotta be about 6'1'', at least.
>
> Friend of mine met him at church. My friend, who's about 5'5", said
> 5'9" max. He based that on seeing him standing next to guys who's
> height he knows.
>
> I was shocked. I'd always assumed Samuel Jackson was minimum of 6'.
>
> Of course, I'd always assumed that Axl Rose was at least 5' 10"; he's
> about 5'4" or so.
Since when was Vinnie Barbarino six feet tall?
If Samuel Jackson is 5'9" and Travolta is an inch shorter,
that puts Travolta at about 5'8" which sounds about right
and possibly an overestimation.
Just think: Everyone on mfw who is 5' 7 1/2" could be 6 feet
or taller in the movies!
George UK
wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:11:28 GMT, geo...@gymonthehill.freeserve.co.uk
>(George UK) wrote:
>
>
>>Stallone had a nagnificent physique for an actor but a below average
>>physique for a contest bodybuilder.
>
>What movie you think he looked better in- Rocky 3 or 4?
>
>
Can't remember the differences.
Rocky 1 was by far the best film though, and at least he looked like
an Italian boxer.
Avoidww
>Date: 4/11/00 4:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>It's not just about leaness. If you've got little muscle mass (as most
>of these actors had, like most of the general population), getting down
>to a low body fat percentage will just make you look skinny and bony,
>no matter what lighting or camera angle you used.
This simply isn't true. You have any idea how much effort it takes to make Joe
Pesci seem intimidating?
>And to bring up the
>example of Ed Norton, he looks far larger in American History X than in
>Fight Club, but if anything he was leaner in the latter film (as
>demonstrated by his abdominal definition).
The key word here is "looks." In street clothes you would probably be unable
to tell the difference between the "Nazi" Norton and the "Puss" Norton (though
the shaved head would give it away to the particularly observant). Just
changing the clothing and the way the actors carry themselves can have a huge
impact on their physical appearance.
>And I mentioned Nicholas
>Cage was very thin and looked it in Raising Arizona but was very bulked
>up in Kiss of Death but there is no way you could tell me that Cage was
>lean in Kiss of Death.
>
Cage definitely got heavier for the latter role, but I seriously doubt he added
more than 10lbs of lean body mass.
>I guess what I'm trying to say is that these actors built up some
>muscle, (more than they had originally, anyway) while losing a lot of
>fat. While the muscle gain may not be impressive in the bodybuilding
>world, the end result is what a lot of average Joes and Janes shoot for.
Wouldn't argue w/ that, but in the context of a newsgroup populated by bb'ers
(as well as pl'ers and other athletes) these transformations simply don't
qualify as impressive or dramatic.
Dean C. Harris
wrote:
>Friend of mine met him at church. My friend, who's about 5'5", said
>5'9" max. He based that on seeing him standing next to guys who's
>height he knows.
>
>I was shocked. I'd always assumed Samuel Jackson was minimum of 6'.
>
>Of course, I'd always assumed that Axl Rose was at least 5' 10"; he's
>about 5'4" or so.
It's comforting to find others in the world like you, eh?
Dean C. Harris
(George UK) wrote:
>Can't remember the differences.
>Rocky 1 was by far the best film though, and at least he looked like
>an Italian boxer.
Well, in 3 he had to get quicker as the plot went. So, he trimmed up.
In 4 he had more mass...I think a pretty good bit more.
wrl...@my-deja.com
deanh...@csi.com wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:28:55 GMT, geo...@gymonthehill.freeserve.co.uk
> (George UK) wrote:
>
> >Can't remember the differences.
> >Rocky 1 was by far the best film though, and at least he looked like
> >an Italian boxer.
>
> Well, in 3 he had to get quicker as the plot went. So, he trimmed up.
> In 4 he had more mass...I think a pretty good bit more.
>
Yeah, but look at those abs in IV when he disrobes....
check out
http://www.pangea.ca/~grinner/info.htm
true...@my-deja.com
avo...@aol.com (Avoidww) wrote:
>
> This simply isn't true. You have any idea how much effort it takes
to make Joe
> Pesci seem intimidating?
I've never found Joe Pesci physically intimidating in any movie, but
that's a different subject:-)
> The key word here is "looks." In street clothes you would probably
be unable
> to tell the difference between the "Nazi" Norton and the "Puss"
Norton (though
> the shaved head would give it away to the particularly observant).
Just
> changing the clothing and the way the actors carry themselves can
have a huge
> impact on their physical appearance.
I disagree. How can you not think that Norton added a significant
amount of muscle to his frame? Granted, lighting and carriage make a
huge difference but there is a limit. To negate acting ability, check
out the Premiere magazine with Brad Pitt and Norton on the cover. If
you still think that Norton as muscular there as in American History X,
then I give up.
>
> >And I mentioned Nicholas
> >Cage was very thin and looked it in Raising Arizona but was very
bulked
> >up in Kiss of Death but there is no way you could tell me that Cage
was
> >lean in Kiss of Death.
> >
>
> Cage definitely got heavier for the latter role, but I seriously
doubt he added
> more than 10lbs of lean body mass.
Obviously he put on some fat with that muscle, but ten pounds of muscle
in 6 weeks or however much time he had to prep for the role is pretty
impressive. And in many of the roles that Cage took afterwards he's
carried that muscle he gained in Kiss of Death with him.
>
> Wouldn't argue w/ that, but in the context of a newsgroup populated
by bb'ers
> (as well as pl'ers and other athletes) these transformations simply
don't
> qualify as impressive or dramatic.
Especially because this NG is populated by bodybuilders, these
transformations should be considered impressive. It seems that many in
here don't believe that adding muscle and losing fat at the same time
is possible (unless chemically aided) But these transformations seem to
prove otherwise.(assuming the actors were drug-free)
Bob Mann
A look at his picture next to Franco should dispell all doubt about Sly's
height. They are almost eyeball to eyeball.
Sly has a great physique when he needs to but he doesn't look too big if
you look carefully.
I would guess him to be about 5'7" tops and around 155 cut, 165-170
normally.
--
Bob Mann
Http://members.home.net/bobmann
Before you critisize someone,
you should walk a mile in their shoes.
That way, when you critisize them,
you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
Dirk McGirk
h wrote:
> Is there something that Hollywood knows that we do not ? There have
> been some films which have shown actors with pretty dramatic physique
> changes. Considering an actor usually wouldn't spend more than a year
> at most working on one movie, the gains seem way higher than normal !
>
> Are steroids being used ?
>
> Here's what i'm referring to
>
> Charlie Sheen in Hotshots 2
> Edward Norton for American History X (this one really blew me away,
> seeing him in Fight club it seemed like a different person!)
> John Travolta in Staying alive (the man looks good in this film, sly
> apparently trained him for it)
>
> any others ?
>
> R
Michel Keaton for some Psycho killer role (I can't remember the name)
pops into mind....
I've "heard" that personal trainers whip 'em into shape by concentrating
on super high reps. (50+ reps for military press for example), pour
tonnes of supplements into their hollywood mouths and run 'em ot death on
the track. All the actors get "cut" and toned, but not big and certinally
not strong.
So, high reps, endurance physiques.
That or those trick mirrors....
-Dirk
Jon
<wat...@watsonmusic.com> wrote:
>Friend of mine met him at church. My friend, who's about 5'5", said
>5'9" max. He based that on seeing him standing next to guys who's
>height he knows.
>
>I was shocked. I'd always assumed Samuel Jackson was minimum of 6'.
>
>Of course, I'd always assumed that Axl Rose was at least 5' 10"; he's
>about 5'4" or so.
>
>Watson (the pencil neck) Davis
FWIW, the biographical info at imdb.com lists Stallone at 5' 9",
Travolta at 6' 2", & Samuel L. Jackson tops out the pack at 6' 3".
Jon
Kevin Haggerty
Anonymous
Kevin Haggerty wrote:
> Jon <jmh...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Watson Davis <wat...@watsonmusic.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Friend of mine met him at church. My friend, who's about 5'5", said
> > >5'9" max. He based that on seeing him standing next to guys who's
> > >height he knows.
> > >
> > >I was shocked. I'd always assumed Samuel Jackson was minimum of 6'.
> > FWIW, the biographical info at imdb.com lists Stallone at 5' 9",
> > Travolta at 6' 2", & Samuel L. Jackson tops out the pack at 6' 3".
> I am 6'4", 325lbs, 5% BF, and run a 4.38 40.
I guess Olivia Newton-John must be 5'11".
Avoidww
>Date: 4/12/00 1:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>I disagree. How can you not think that Norton added a significant
>amount of muscle to his frame? Granted, lighting and carriage make a
>huge difference but there is a limit. To negate acting ability, check
>out the Premiere magazine with Brad Pitt and Norton on the cover. If
>you still think that Norton as muscular there as in American History X,
>then I give up.
I'm not saying Norton didn't make a significant change in his physique. What I
am saying is that if you take a guy that's basically untrained and you put 5lbs
of muscle on his frame and drop 10lbs of fat, then you do everything possible
w/ both the actor, the set, camera angles, etc. to emphasize this change you
can make a moderate improvement in a physique appear to be an awesome one.
>Obviously he put on some fat with that muscle, but ten pounds of muscle
>in 6 weeks or however much time he had to prep for the role is pretty
>impressive.
Again, I think this is more a difference of perspective than a real
argument. From the bb'ers perspective most of these guys went from having no
muscle and not being all that lean to having slightly more muscle and dropping
some bodyfat (obviously this doesn't apply to the Cage example).
>Especially because this NG is populated by bodybuilders, these
>transformations should be considered impressive. It seems that many in
>here don't believe that adding muscle and losing fat at the same time
>is possible (unless chemically aided) But these transformations seem to
>prove otherwise.(assuming the actors were drug-free)
The rule about not being able to lose fat and gain muscle generally only
applies to people that have been training for a while, not to beginners. And
it's also something that's primarily repeated because in the long-term you are
likely to see better results by focusing one one aspect at a time, ie cutting
or bulking, as opposed to attempting both at once, not because it can't be
done.
Robert Schuh
> Hey, for all the Stallone-bashing, you gotta admit he's done remarkable
> things with his physique - somewhere between Rocky II and Rocky III he
> went from being some beefy guy from the neighborhood to a real bona
> fide bodybuilder (he could definitely have placed in competition with
> the look he was sporting in Rocky III and IV). I'd love to know how he
> did that.
>
> As for his being more shredded in Rambo, he said he was going for a
> leaner jungle look. I'd say he succeeded.
>
> And look at the balls he had to pork up (at the age of 50) for copland,
> then rip up again.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
I don't think that anyone here is bashing Sly. The only thing said was that
he is not a big guy. That is not bashing.
Robert Schuh
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:49:39 GMT, wrl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >Hey, for all the Stallone-bashing, you gotta admit he's done remarkable
> >things with his physique - somewhere between Rocky II and Rocky III he
> >went from being some beefy guy from the neighborhood to a real bona
> >fide bodybuilder (he could definitely have placed in competition with
> >the look he was sporting in Rocky III and IV). I'd love to know how he
> >did that.
>
> What kind of contest are you talking about? Are we talking
> bodybuilding? He may have placed top 3- 4 in a poor novice line up,
> but that would be all.
>
> >As for his being more shredded in Rambo, he said he was going for a
> >leaner jungle look. I'd say he succeeded.
>
> It was only a film
>
> >And look at the balls he had to pork up (at the age of 50) for copland,
> >then rip up again.
> >
>
> It doesn't take balls to eat. It's actually good fun.
> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >Before you buy.
>
> :George UK
>
> -------------
> www.trainhard.co.uk
>
> www.weight-train.co.uk
>
>
>
George,
He would have been a lightweight too. If he tried to be a middle, he would
have been killed even in a novice show.
Robert Schuh
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:55:45 GMT, wrl...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >In article <8979fsc2un0e94kt2...@4ax.com>,
> > deanh...@csi.com wrote:
> >> On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:28:55 GMT, geo...@gymonthehill.freeserve.co.uk
> >> (George UK) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Can't remember the differences.
> >> >Rocky 1 was by far the best film though, and at least he looked like
> >> >an Italian boxer.
> >>
> >> Well, in 3 he had to get quicker as the plot went. So, he trimmed up.
> >> In 4 he had more mass...I think a pretty good bit more.
> >>
> >
> >Yeah, but look at those abs in IV when he disrobes....
> >
> >check out
> >http://www.pangea.ca/~grinner/info.htm
> >
> >
> A look at his picture next to Franco should dispell all doubt about Sly's
> height. They are almost eyeball to eyeball.
> Sly has a great physique when he needs to but he doesn't look too big if
> you look carefully.
> I would guess him to be about 5'7" tops and around 155 cut, 165-170
> normally.
> --
> Bob Mann
> Http://members.home.net/bobmann
>
Bob,
Did you see this fucking ludicrous quote from Franco?
"Sylvester gained just about 10 pounds in six and a half weeks," Franco says.
"He has great
structure, with a waist only about 29 inches. When we started, he has a
44-inch chest. At the
end, his chest was almost 50 inches. And his arms went from 16 ½ inches to 18
inches. He was
bigger, harder and much more muscular. Wait until you see him in the movie.
He's going to shock
a lot of people by how good he looks."
Why the fuck do people have to lie about this shit? There is no way that
Sly's arms were larger than 15 when he was in shape. There is no way that his
chest was 44 either. A TOP bodybuilder in contest shape as a light heavy,
176-198 99% of the time will not have 18" arms nor a 50" chest when ripped.
People who have not competed nor been around top bodybuilders have NO idea
about true measurements. If people knew how few guys stepped on stage with
true 20" arms, they would be shocked! The weights given for the pros in the
magazines are also ridiculously blown out of proportion. I would bet that
Flex is barely 220 when he hits the stage and I have heard silly things as
high as 250. He looked great for those movies, let's just not cmpare him to a
bodybuilder. That would be as silly as comparing a guy in a movie driing a
car to Michael Schumacher.
Robert Schuh
> In article <38EE3BD3...@royal.net>,
> Anonymous <nob...@newsfeeds.com> wrote:
> >
> >In some movies, they have made Stallone look to be maybe 6 feet one
> >or two (e.g., "Oscar.") But he actually is quite short (I don't know
> >how short.) I suppose they hired only short actors and actresses,
> >built slightly small sets, and kept the camera low at all times.
>
> I don't know if anyone's ever done an actual study on the matter,
> but my impression is that actors tend to be shorter than the
> general population (why? I'm sure one could make up lots of
> theories). The time that really got me was when the local SAG
> office was having a "housewarming" for their new offices and it
> was quite a large reception--and looking around, I felt like I
> must have been a foot taller than everybody else (1). I think
> it's common to have a "stage height" (sorta like a "stage name,"
> only numeric).
>
> (1) Um, individually, anyway; if you piled them all up in one
> big heap, they'd be taller, I'm sure of it.
>
> You can do a lot with sets, camera angles, and even how the
> other performers act and react. One fight sequence I was in
> started off with my screen-opponent (Mark Grove, who is a very
> good friend and whom I would never, ever kill off-camera)
> throwing a punch at me while jumping up. He doesn't actually
> get much height out of the move, and it creates the impression
> that I'm towering over him even more than I actually am.
>
> >they are not huge by any means. The camera can easily add 20 lb
> >or more.
>
> 20 lbs, six inches, etc. Of course, it depends a lot on the skill
> of the one behind the camera and the lighting people as to where
> those 20 lbs and six inches end up getting added....
> --
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The guy who I can ot take seriously at all is Tom Cruise. He is not only a midget,
but he has a body that looks like a pre pubescent boy.
wm...@my-deja.com
Anonymous <nob...@newsfeeds.com> wrote:
>
>
> Watson Davis wrote:
> > wm...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > > Samuel Jackson is no way only 5'9". Look at Pulp Fiction. I
think
> > >its confirmed Travolta is about 6'. Jackson was taller than him.
And I
> > >don't think they needed to make him look taller than Travolta for
the
> > >role. He's gotta be about 6'1'', at least.
> >
> > 5'9" max. He based that on seeing him standing next to guys who's
> > height he knows.
> >
> > I was shocked. I'd always assumed Samuel Jackson was minimum of 6'.
> >
he's
> > about 5'4" or so.
>
>
too. Travolta it alot taller than Stallone. And if Travolta is 5'8",
Horeshack must have been about 4'11". Seriously, I know someone who got
his autograph at a David Lettermn taping. The guy is at least 6'.
> If Samuel Jackson is 5'9" and Travolta is an inch shorter,
> that puts Travolta at about 5'8" which sounds about right
> and possibly an overestimation.
>
> Just think: Everyone on mfw who is 5' 7 1/2" could be 6 feet
> or taller in the movies!
>
> --
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wm...@my-deja.com
Anonymous <nob...@newsfeeds.com> wrote:
>
>
> Kevin Haggerty wrote:
> > Jon <jmh...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > Watson Davis <wat...@watsonmusic.com> wrote:
> > >
said
> > > >5'9" max. He based that on seeing him standing next to guys
who's
> > > >height he knows.
> > > >
> > > >I was shocked. I'd always assumed Samuel Jackson was minimum of
6'.
>
> > > Travolta at 6' 2", & Samuel L. Jackson tops out the pack at 6'
3".
>
> > I am 6'4", 325lbs, 5% BF, and run a 4.38 40.
>
> I guess Olivia Newton-John must be 5'11".
>
> Why? She was smaller than him in Grease. Even in the last scene where
she is wearing those 3" spike heels.
Eric Midkiff
Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:38F5DA91...@yahoo.com...
> wrl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > Hey, for all the Stallone-bashing, you gotta admit he's done remarkable
> > things with his physique - somewhere between Rocky II and Rocky III he
> > went from being some beefy guy from the neighborhood to a real bona
> > fide bodybuilder (he could definitely have placed in competition with
> > the look he was sporting in Rocky III and IV). I'd love to know how he
> > did that.
> >
> > leaner jungle look. I'd say he succeeded.
> >
> > then rip up again.
> >
that
> he is not a big guy. That is not bashing.
I could if you really wanted me to. A draft dodger playing a Congressional
Medal of Honor recipient more than kinda-sorta pisses me off.
Eric
George UK
>Bob,
>Did you see this fucking ludicrous quote from Franco?
>
>"Sylvester gained just about 10 pounds in six and a half weeks," Franco says.
>"He has great
>structure, with a waist only about 29 inches. When we started, he has a
>44-inch chest. At the
>end, his chest was almost 50 inches. And his arms went from 16 ½ inches to 18
>inches. He was
>bigger, harder and much more muscular. Wait until you see him in the movie.
>He's going to shock
>a lot of people by how good he looks."
>
good lat spread. He said he had "too many gaps". He also claimed to
have 20" arms! Franco had Sputnik arms....
George UK
>George,
>He would have been a lightweight too. If he tried to be a middle, he would
>have been killed even in a novice show.
>
>
of : )
If he passed the drug test...
rick++
changes in month, buying the right supplements. :-)
rick++
actor/actress looked flabby, to where most now look like they exercise.
Defined and lean, but not necessarily muscular.
(With the exception of the hero movies like Tarzan, Hercules, Ben Hur,
etc.)
rick++
Thats how they make someone slightly smaller than average like
Sylvestor Stallone (he sues anyone who says this) look like a
heavy weight champ (effectively IMHO).
Not that far off. Before the 1950s they use soft light and gauze
over the lenses to soften close-ups of female faces,
while stark lighting to chisel male closeups.
Watson Davis
wrote:
>On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:00:25 GMT, Watson Davis <wat...@watsonmusic.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Friend of mine met him at church. My friend, who's about 5'5", said
>>5'9" max. He based that on seeing him standing next to guys who's
>>height he knows.
>>
>>I was shocked. I'd always assumed Samuel Jackson was minimum of 6'.
>>
>>Of course, I'd always assumed that Axl Rose was at least 5' 10"; he's
>>about 5'4" or so.
>
>It's comforting to find others in the world like you, eh?
Very.
Watson (the towering pencil neck) Davis
Dean C. Harris
wrote:
>wrl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey, for all the Stallone-bashing, you gotta admit he's done remarkable
>> things with his physique - somewhere between Rocky II and Rocky III he
>> went from being some beefy guy from the neighborhood to a real bona
>> fide bodybuilder (he could definitely have placed in competition with
>> the look he was sporting in Rocky III and IV). I'd love to know how he
>> did that.
>>
>> As for his being more shredded in Rambo, he said he was going for a
>> leaner jungle look. I'd say he succeeded.
>>
>> And look at the balls he had to pork up (at the age of 50) for copland,
>> then rip up again.
>>
>> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> Before you buy.
>
>I don't think that anyone here is bashing Sly. The only thing said was that
>he is not a big guy. That is not bashing.
I am not bashing Sly either though he hasn't made any good movies in a
while...
But I recall an interview with him when Demolition Man was just about to
open. The interviewer said she heard he took a lot of 'vitamins' every
day.
He said he did take upwards of 50 pills per day because he did think
there was better living in science or something to that effect.
Make of it what you will...
Dean C. Harris
wrote:
>He would have been a lightweight too. If he tried to be a middle, he would
>have been killed even in a novice show.
I suppose I haven't looked at his symmetry or anything since getting
into lifting- but from memory he was pretty hard in Rocky 4.
I am not sure if he is a BBer or not, but there is a guy in Universal
Soldier 3 who plays the evil computer spawned to man...you don't see him
until later in the <ahem> film, but he had a body I wish my genetics
allowed.
Dean C. Harris
wrote:
>I could if you really wanted me to. A draft dodger playing a Congressional
>Medal of Honor recipient more than kinda-sorta pisses me off.
I'm sure he just wanted a quality education in Switzerland. ;)
Bob Mann
>Bob Mann wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:55:45 GMT, wrl...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>
>> >In article <8979fsc2un0e94kt2...@4ax.com>,
>> > deanh...@csi.com wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:28:55 GMT, geo...@gymonthehill.freeserve.co.uk
>> >> (George UK) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Can't remember the differences.
>> >> >Rocky 1 was by far the best film though, and at least he looked like
>> >> >an Italian boxer.
>> >>
>> >> Well, in 3 he had to get quicker as the plot went. So, he trimmed up.
>> >> In 4 he had more mass...I think a pretty good bit more.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Yeah, but look at those abs in IV when he disrobes....
>> >
>> >check out
>> >http://www.pangea.ca/~grinner/info.htm
>> >
>> >
>> A look at his picture next to Franco should dispell all doubt about Sly's
>> height. They are almost eyeball to eyeball.
>> Sly has a great physique when he needs to but he doesn't look too big if
>> you look carefully.
>> I would guess him to be about 5'7" tops and around 155 cut, 165-170
>> normally.
>> --
>> Bob Mann
>> Http://members.home.net/bobmann
>>
>
>Bob,
>Did you see this fucking ludicrous quote from Franco?
>
>"Sylvester gained just about 10 pounds in six and a half weeks," Franco says.
>"He has great
>structure, with a waist only about 29 inches. When we started, he has a
>44-inch chest. At the
>end, his chest was almost 50 inches. And his arms went from 16 ½ inches to 18
>inches. He was
>bigger, harder and much more muscular. Wait until you see him in the movie.
>He's going to shock
>a lot of people by how good he looks."
>
>Why the fuck do people have to lie about this shit? There is no way that
>Sly's arms were larger than 15 when he was in shape. There is no way that his
>chest was 44 either. A TOP bodybuilder in contest shape as a light heavy,
>176-198 99% of the time will not have 18" arms nor a 50" chest when ripped.
>People who have not competed nor been around top bodybuilders have NO idea
>about true measurements. If people knew how few guys stepped on stage with
>true 20" arms, they would be shocked! The weights given for the pros in the
>magazines are also ridiculously blown out of proportion. I would bet that
>Flex is barely 220 when he hits the stage and I have heard silly things as
>high as 250. He looked great for those movies, let's just not cmpare him to a
>bodybuilder. That would be as silly as comparing a guy in a movie driing a
>car to Michael Schumacher.
>
Just typical hyperbole.
--
Bob Mann
Http://members.home.net/bobmann
Robert Schuh
>
> >Bob,
> >Did you see this fucking ludicrous quote from Franco?
> >
> >"Sylvester gained just about 10 pounds in six and a half weeks," Franco says.
> >"He has great
> >structure, with a waist only about 29 inches. When we started, he has a
> >44-inch chest. At the
> >end, his chest was almost 50 inches. And his arms went from 16 ½ inches to 18
> >inches. He was
> >bigger, harder and much more muscular. Wait until you see him in the movie.
> >He's going to shock
> >a lot of people by how good he looks."
> >
> I remember him once saying that he thought that Dorian didn't have a
> good lat spread. He said he had "too many gaps". He also claimed to
> have 20" arms! Franco had Sputnik arms....
>
> :George UK
>
> -------------
> www.trainhard.co.uk
>
> www.weight-train.co.uk
>
>
>
Shit! If Franco even at his best stood next to Dorian, Dorian would have blocked
all light coming towards little Franco! :-) I really hate it when the old time
guys run smack about the new guys. They ought to just give them their props and
stop whining about the "good ole days." Everyone was great for their era, but
times move on and everything goes forward.
Robert Schuh
>
> >George,
> >He would have been a lightweight too. If he tried to be a middle, he would
> >have been killed even in a novice show.
> >
> >
> He could have won the Mr America in a certain federation that I know
> of : )
>
> If he passed the drug test...
>
> :George UK
>
> -------------
> www.trainhard.co.uk
>
> www.weight-train.co.uk
>
>
>
LOL!!!
Robert Schuh
> Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:38F5DA91...@yahoo.com...
> > wrl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Hey, for all the Stallone-bashing, you gotta admit he's done remarkable
> > > things with his physique - somewhere between Rocky II and Rocky III he
> > > went from being some beefy guy from the neighborhood to a real bona
> > > fide bodybuilder (he could definitely have placed in competition with
> > > the look he was sporting in Rocky III and IV). I'd love to know how he
> > > did that.
> > >
> > > As for his being more shredded in Rambo, he said he was going for a
> > > leaner jungle look. I'd say he succeeded.
> > >
> > > And look at the balls he had to pork up (at the age of 50) for copland,
> > > then rip up again.
> > >
> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > Before you buy.
> >
> > I don't think that anyone here is bashing Sly. The only thing said was
> that
> > he is not a big guy. That is not bashing.
>
> I could if you really wanted me to. A draft dodger playing a Congressional
> Medal of Honor recipient more than kinda-sorta pisses me off.
>
> Eric
Is Stallone even old enough to have gone to Nam? Yeah, I guess so.
Bob Mann
>Eric Midkiff wrote:
>
>> Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:38F5DA91...@yahoo.com...
>> > wrl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hey, for all the Stallone-bashing, you gotta admit he's done remarkable
>> > > things with his physique - somewhere between Rocky II and Rocky III he
>> > > went from being some beefy guy from the neighborhood to a real bona
>> > > fide bodybuilder (he could definitely have placed in competition with
>> > > the look he was sporting in Rocky III and IV). I'd love to know how he
>> > > did that.
>> > >
>> > > As for his being more shredded in Rambo, he said he was going for a
>> > > leaner jungle look. I'd say he succeeded.
>> > >
>> > > And look at the balls he had to pork up (at the age of 50) for copland,
>> > > then rip up again.
>> > >
>> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> > > Before you buy.
>> >
>> > I don't think that anyone here is bashing Sly. The only thing said was
>> that
>> > he is not a big guy. That is not bashing.
>>
>> I could if you really wanted me to. A draft dodger playing a Congressional
>> Medal of Honor recipient more than kinda-sorta pisses me off.
>>
>> Eric
>
>Is Stallone even old enough to have gone to Nam? Yeah, I guess so.
>
The Internet Movie Database says he was born in 1946 so he would have been
ripe for duty.
shu...@hotmail.com
> >> > > leaner jungle look. I'd say he succeeded.
> >> > >
> >> > > And look at the balls he had to pork up (at the age of 50) for copland,
> >> > > then rip up again.
Yeah, how did he do this without steroids?
Tony