STEROIDS DID THIS TO ME !!!!!!!
Bil & Tag
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So you got bigger by sticking needles in your ass, wow, that's a
revelation.
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Eric Friedmann <eric_fr...@gmx.net> wrote in article
<35396B9F...@gmx.net>...
> you know what - I'm sick of all that anti-steroid bullshit.
>
> I know steroids are no substitute for discipline and hard work but they
> make the latter much
> more rewarding.
>
> I know I'm not supposed to post pics in here but I could not resist to
> show off my drastic improvements
> I made since last summer.
>
> You will see two pictures: One that has been taken last sommer in August
> during my vacation in Florida
> and an absolutely actual one from last week.
>
> Yeah, that what steroids did to me in 8 months !!!! I did not use any
> legal supplement besides Protein of
> course and this is how I look know ! What do you all supplement fuckers
> out there think ?? !! Just keep paying for all your Phosphagen HMB crap
> !!
>
> there is people in mfw that know the real shit !!
>
> ERIC ++++ A PROUD ABUSER OF ILLEGAL ANABOLIC DRUGS ++++
>
> [Image]
>
BowlerT
Eric Friedmann <eric_fr...@gmx.net> wrote in article
<35396B9F...@gmx.net>...
> you know what - I'm sick of all that anti-steroid bullshit.
>
> I know steroids are no substitute for discipline and hard work but they
> make the latter much
> more rewarding.
>
> I know I'm not supposed to post pics in here but I could not resist to
> show off my drastic improvements
> I made since last summer.
>
> You will see two pictures: One that has been taken last sommer in August
> during my vacation in Florida
> and an absolutely actual one from last week.
>
> Yeah, that what steroids did to me in 8 months !!!! I did not use any
> legal supplement besides Protein of
> course and this is how I look know ! What do you all supplement fuckers
> out there think ?? !! Just keep paying for all your Phosphagen HMB crap
> !!
>
> there is people in mfw that know the real shit !!
>
> ERIC ++++ A PROUD ABUSER OF ILLEGAL ANABOLIC DRUGS ++++
>
>
AND FUTURE BRAIN CANCER VICTIM ala Lyle Alzado
Dan Finn
On 20 Apr 1998 10:57:39 GMT, bow...@aol.com (BowlerT) wrote:
>
>AND FUTURE BRAIN CANCER VICTIM ala Lyle Alzado
>
Me first
IOM!!!!
Who determined that Lyle got his tumer from steroids? Oh yeah, Lyle
Alzedo said that is where it came from. "Lyle who?" you might ask.
No, Not Lyle Alzedo the world renowned brain/tumer Dr. expert type.
Lyle Alzedo the football player. Dr.s latter discredited his
statements saying there was no sign that anabolics caused his tumer.
Naturally, this did not get the press coverage that Lyle's statements
recieved.
Dan "It's not a toomah" Finn
A.A.Odds
I second IOM nomination. Read the article on Lyle on elitefittnesses
website, he in all liklihood died of complications from AIDS.
Karl Core
BowlerT <bow...@aol.com> wrote in article
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> AND FUTURE BRAIN CANCER VICTIM ala Lyle Alzado
>
AAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
ITS THE INVASION OF THE AOLOSERS!!!!!
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> I second IOM nomination. Read the article on Lyle on elitefittnesses
> website, he in all liklihood died of complications from AIDS.
Lyle Alzado had HIV. The type of lymphoma he had is an opportunistic
infection that often occurs in late stage AIDS. In fact, the type he had
was extremely rare prior to the epidemic. Lyle Alzado's doctor stated in
a Los Angeles Times article shortly after his death that steroid use did
not cause the brain cancer. No lymphoma specialist would agree that
there is any connection between lymphoma and steroid use.
Lyle Alzado claimed that steroids caused his cancer only to hide his HIV.
Another important fact: One person coming down with a disease does not
prove anything he did caused that disease. Cancer occurs in the general
population. If the disease occurs in the general population at some
rate, lets say 1 in 200, and it occurs in a subpopulation (such as
steroid users) at the same rate, then there is no evidence that the
specific agent is causing the disease.
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Trace H. Eggers
Just a shot (so to speak), Lyle probably did die from steroids. In all
likelihood, he probably acquired HIV from shooting up with an infected
needle. As I'm sure you are aware, lymphoma affects AIDS patients at a
higher rate than the general population.
Trace H. Eggers
1) Gay does not = AIDS or HIV
2) HIV can lay dormant for years ( asymptotic)
3) Millionaires do share needles
Martin B. Pomije
the 70's told me that they used to share needles all the time
back then. He had plenty of money, but people just ignored
the risks, similar to the promiscuous sex that was so
prevalent at the time.
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Trace H. Eggers
An argument could be made that it was steroids. Really, do you think he
would have been shooting up if not for steroids. Thus, in essence, it was
the steroids as a contributing factor.
But ultimately, choice is what killed him. Whether it was the choice to
have unprotected sex or to shoot up.
Deeper, I have seen to many of my friends die of AIDS. It does no good to
place blame. The more energy we spend on finding a cure, the more lives
that will be saved.
Matt Staples
Tim Fogarty wrote:
>
> In <6hgmj1$7p6$1...@defiant.fuse.net> Trace H. Eggers (teg...@fuse.net) wrote:
> > Just a shot (so to speak), Lyle probably did die from steroids. In all
> > likelihood, he probably acquired HIV from shooting up with an infected
> > needle.
>
>
> 1) he was gay (ok, maybe bisexual. whats the requirement...once every 5
> years with a women makes you bisexual?)
>
> 2) millionares don't need to share needles
It really matters not whether he got it from homosexual sex,
heterosexual sex, or anything else. At any rate, if it was indeed AIDS
and not brain cancer which may or may not have been caused by the
steroids he took over his career, then that answers the question raised,
namely whether or not the steroids caused his death. Sharing needles is
foolish regardless of whether you are injecting steroids, insulin, or a
MMR vaccination. How would you rather be remembered, as a gay man who
died from AIDS or as a "crusader" who "tragically died from a brain
tumor caused by steroid use?" I hope this doesn't take long to decide.
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Tim Fogarty
In <6hgmj1$7p6$1...@defiant.fuse.net> Trace H. Eggers (teg...@fuse.net) wrote:
> Just a shot (so to speak), Lyle probably did die from steroids. In all
> likelihood, he probably acquired HIV from shooting up with an infected
> needle.
wanna bet
1) he was gay (ok, maybe bisexual. whats the requirement...once every 5
years with a women makes you bisexual?)
2) millionares don't need to share needles
Karl Core
Trace H. Eggers <teg...@fuse.net> wrote in article
<6hgmj1$7p6$1...@defiant.fuse.net>...
> Just a shot (so to speak), Lyle probably did die from steroids. In all
> likelihood, he probably acquired HIV from shooting up with an infected
> needle. As I'm sure you are aware, lymphoma affects AIDS patients at a
> higher rate than the general population.
>
>
Even then, it isn't the steroids that killed him, which is the issue here.
Tim Fogarty
In <6hgql2$b8o$1...@defiant.fuse.net> Trace H. Eggers (teg...@fuse.net) wrote:
> 1) Gay does not = AIDS or HIV
never said it did. your statement was about how he probably got HIV.
given that he was gay and that there is no evidence that he was a
recreational IV drug user, whats more likely, that he got HIV from sharing
needles, or from unprotected sex ?
> 2) HIV can lay dormant for years ( asymptotic)
HIV is never dormant. It is infecting cells throughout your body from
day one. It may take 10 years or more (without medications) for you to
go from infection to full blown AIDS.
> 3) Millionaires do share needles
millionaires who can afford to buy steroids can afford to buy needles.
its not like they need a quick fix and can't wait.
Karl Core
Trace H. Eggers <teg...@fuse.net> wrote in article
<6hgql2$b8o$1...@defiant.fuse.net>...
>
> 3) Millionaires do share needles
>
This has got to be the most moronic statement I have ever heard.
Moronic in that it is probably true for some people.
Karl Core
Trace H. Eggers <teg...@fuse.net> wrote in article
<6hh0ur$h39$1...@defiant.fuse.net>...
> An argument could be made that it was steroids. Really, do you think he
> would have been shooting up if not for steroids. Thus, in essence, it
was
> the steroids as a contributing factor.
>
You are seriously in need of a lesson in logic.
If Lyle Alzado was infected with AIDS because he shared needles, then its
the shared needle that infected him and caused the AIDS, not the steroids,
you fool. He could have been shooting spring water with the same damn
needle and still gotten infected!
I hereby nominate you for IOM.
John Wash
Trace H. Eggers wrote:
> Just a shot (so to speak), Lyle probably did die from steroids. In all
> likelihood, he probably acquired HIV from shooting up with an infected
> needle.
Just a shot (so to speak), Lyle was probably infected while injecting B-12.
B-12 kills, folks! Just say no!
john
(this post was sarcastic)
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John Wash
Trace H. Eggers wrote:
> 3) Millionaires do share needles
Give me a break, Trace.
john
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> >
> > AND FUTURE BRAIN CANCER VICTIM ala Lyle Alzado
It has been consistently shown in peer reviewed medical/scientific
journals that AAS are inhibatory to HUMAN pituitary tumors.
To get you started on the path of truth, you can start with the
following:
Caronti B; Palladini G; Calderaro C; et al.
Effects of gonadal steroids on the growth of human pituitary tumors in
vitro. Tumour Biology.1995; 16 (6): 353-364.
This is just a start. Use the MEDLINE link below to further your quest
of unbiased information.
While we don't reccommend the use of AAS, the biased "public service"
announcements by the various governing bodies only make the steroid
issue worse because of the lack of trust that is generated by there
biased scare tactics.
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On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:08:55 -0400, John Wash <j_w...@tico.com> wrote:
>Trace H. Eggers wrote:
>
>> 3) Millionaires do share needles
>
>Give me a break, Trace.
No shit! That was the frivolous(sp?) arguement of the year award
(FAYA) in Roberts' speak.
Alzado got aids by taking it up the bunghole from someone else with
aids, not from sharing needles.
>john
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SORRY-I am new to this newsgroup-I missed the beginning of all this--DID LYLE
ALZADO DIE OF AIDS?? I thought it was a brain tumor or something like that.
Someone please fill me in.
Daniel Finn
Trace H. Eggers <teg...@fuse.net> wrote in article
<6hh0ur$h39$1...@defiant.fuse.net>...
> An argument could be made that it was steroids. Really, do you think he
> would have been shooting up if not for steroids. Thus, in essence, it was
> the steroids as a contributing factor.
>
Uh Trace, can I try this faulty logic game?
An argument could be made that it was homosexual sex. Really, do you
think he would have been having butt sex if not for homosexuality.
Thus, in essence, it was the homosexuality as a contributing factor.
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Tim Fogarty
Lyle Alzado died of a specific kind of lymphoma that is an opportunistic
infection seen in late stages of AIDS. This type of lymphoma is very
very rare in people without AIDS. It was known that Alzado had HIV.
So yes he died of brain cancer, and the brain cancer was caused by his
late stage AIDS.
Karl Core
WED72388 <wed7...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199804211211...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
> SORRY-I am new to this newsgroup-I missed the beginning of all this--DID
LYLE
> ALZADO DIE OF AIDS?? I thought it was a brain tumor or something like
that.
> Someone please fill me in.
>
Please go to DejaNews and look it up. This dead horse has been beaten into
oblivion.
aaron
Steve Kidwell <skid...@ticz.com> wrote in article
<353c076...@news.newsguy.com>...
> On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:08:55 -0400, John Wash <j_w...@tico.com> wrote:
>
> >Trace H. Eggers wrote:
> >
> >> 3) Millionaires do share needles
> >
> >Give me a break, Trace.
>
> No shit! That was the frivolous(sp?) arguement of the year award
> (FAYA) in Roberts' speak.
>
> Alzado got aids by taking it up the bunghole from someone else with
> aids, not from sharing needles.
wow, kidwell and i agree on both opinions!!!
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Karl Core
Daniel Finn <musq...@SPAMbigfoot.com> wrote in article
<353c9c76.1177022406@news>...
> Trace H. Eggers <teg...@fuse.net> wrote in article
> <6hh0ur$h39$1...@defiant.fuse.net>...
> > An argument could be made that it was steroids. Really, do you think
he
> > would have been shooting up if not for steroids. Thus, in essence, it
was
> > the steroids as a contributing factor.
> >
>
> Uh Trace, can I try this faulty logic game?
>
>
> An argument could be made that it was homosexual sex. Really, do you
> think he would have been having butt sex if not for homosexuality.
> Thus, in essence, it was the homosexuality as a contributing factor.
>
THE QUEERS KILLED LYLE!!!!!
Daniel Finn
On 21 Apr 1998 18:12:45 GMT, in a gym far far away, "Karl Core"
<kgrove...@gte.net> wrote:
>Daniel Finn <musq...@SPAMbigfoot.com> wrote in article
><353c9c76.1177022406@news>...
>> Trace H. Eggers <teg...@fuse.net> wrote in article
>> <6hh0ur$h39$1...@defiant.fuse.net>...
>> > An argument could be made that it was steroids. Really, do you think he
>> > would have been shooting up if not for steroids. Thus, in essence, it was
>> > the steroids as a contributing factor.
>>
>> Uh Trace, can I try this faulty logic game?
>>
>> An argument could be made that it was homosexual sex. Really, do you
>> think he would have been having butt sex if not for homosexuality.
>> Thus, in essence, it was the homosexuality as a contributing factor.
>>
>THE QUEERS KILLED LYLE!!!!!
>
>
Those BASTARDS!!!!!!
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Ben Davis
Eric Friedmann wrote:
>
> you know what - I'm sick of all that anti-steroid bullshit.
>
> I know steroids are no substitute for discipline and hard work but
> they make the latter much
> more rewarding.
>
> I know I'm not supposed to post pics in here but I could not resist to
> show off my drastic improvements
> I made since last summer.
Well, that's nice, but think what you could have done if you'd spent
five years learning how to train first.
Ben.
Trace H. Eggers
Nope, unprotected sex could have been a contributing factor. Since it has
been discussed that he was gay (and I did not out him), with that frame of
logic - unprotected homosexual sex may have done him in. Just as if he were
str8 and contracted HIV, heterosexual sex would have been the cause.
Daniel Finn wrote in message <353c9c76.1177022406@news>...
>Trace H. Eggers <teg...@fuse.net> wrote in article
><6hh0ur$h39$1...@defiant.fuse.net>...
>> An argument could be made that it was steroids. Really, do you think he
>> would have been shooting up if not for steroids. Thus, in essence, it
was
>> the steroids as a contributing factor.
>>
>
>Uh Trace, can I try this faulty logic game?
>
>
> An argument could be made that it was homosexual sex. Really, do you
>think he would have been having butt sex if not for homosexuality.
>Thus, in essence, it was the homosexuality as a contributing factor.
>
>
>
>=============================================
>Daniel Finn musqlar at bigfoot dot com
>http://www.erols.com/musqlar
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bow...@aol.com (BowlerT) wrote:
>Eric Friedmann <eric_fr...@gmx.net> wrote in article
>> ERIC ++++ A PROUD ABUSER OF ILLEGAL ANABOLIC DRUGS ++++
>AND FUTURE BRAIN CANCER VICTIM ala Lyle Alzado
Not to mention roid rage, exploding kidneys, and sore toe....
-Cougar Allen :{)
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Rob
In article <353c076...@news.newsguy.com>, skid...@ticz.com (Steve Kidwell) wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:08:55 -0400, John Wash <j_w...@tico.com> wrote:
>
>>Trace H. Eggers wrote:
>>
>>> 3) Millionaires do share needles
>>
>>Give me a break, Trace.
>
>No shit! That was the frivolous(sp?) arguement of the year award
>(FAYA) in Roberts' speak.
>
>Alzado got aids by taking it up the bunghole from someone else with
>aids, not from sharing needles.
>
mmmmmm.......redneck
Dan Finn
>Nope, unprotected sex could have been a contributing factor. Since it has
>been discussed that he was gay (and I did not out him), with that frame of
>logic - unprotected homosexual sex may have done him in. Just as if he were
>str8 and contracted HIV, heterosexual sex would have been the cause.
>
First, this was your logic flow, not mmine, I only changed steroids to
homosexual. Now with your change we could say it wasn't the use
steroid needles, but of the dirty used unsafe kind of needles. Either
way, I don't think we can count steroids any more than homosexuality
as a contributing factor to his death. The contributing factor was
HIV. Really do we count owning a car as a contributing factor when
someone dies in an auto acident?
>
>Daniel Finn wrote in message <353c9c76.1177022406@news>...
>>Trace H. Eggers <teg...@fuse.net> wrote in article
>><6hh0ur$h39$1...@defiant.fuse.net>...
>>> An argument could be made that it was steroids. Really, do you think he
>>> would have been shooting up if not for steroids. Thus, in essence, it
>was
>>> the steroids as a contributing factor.
>>>
>>
>>Uh Trace, can I try this faulty logic game?
>>
>>
>> An argument could be made that it was homosexual sex. Really, do you
>>think he would have been having butt sex if not for homosexuality.
>>Thus, in essence, it was the homosexuality as a contributing factor.
>>
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>How would you rather be remembered, as a gay man who<BR>
>died from AIDS or as a "crusader" who "tragically died from a brain<BR>
>tumor caused by steroid use?" I hope this doesn't take long to decide.
This is exactly the reason for the phony steriod /brain tumor story done in
the press. People with some experience knew right away that it was a made up
story. Strange isn't it that the weightlifters of the 60's that used plenty of
steriods never got a brain tumor.
John Wash
S. wrote:
> One of the things that has kept me away from steroids is a friend of
> mine from high school. He used to be pretty slim until he juiced and
> achieved a good body, but then he stopped and now he's just fat. The
> same happened to another guy I knew. Is this typical when one stops
> steroids and working out? I mean you don't lose muscle and go back to
> the slim frame before doing 'roids?
You have to eat a lot to grow while you're on drugs. If you continue eating
that much after you come off, especially if you stop working out, you'll get
fat.
S.
On 20 Apr 1998 10:57:39 GMT, bow...@aol.com (BowlerT) wrote:
>
>Eric Friedmann <eric_fr...@gmx.net> wrote in article
><35396B9F...@gmx.net>...
>> you know what - I'm sick of all that anti-steroid bullshit.
>>
>> I know steroids are no substitute for discipline and hard work but they
>> make the latter much
>> more rewarding.
>>
>> I know I'm not supposed to post pics in here but I could not resist to
>> show off my drastic improvements
>> I made since last summer.
>>
>> You will see two pictures: One that has been taken last sommer in August
>> during my vacation in Florida
>> and an absolutely actual one from last week.
>>
>> Yeah, that what steroids did to me in 8 months !!!! I did not use any
>> legal supplement besides Protein of
>> course and this is how I look know ! What do you all supplement fuckers
>> out there think ?? !! Just keep paying for all your Phosphagen HMB crap
>> !!
>>
>> there is people in mfw that know the real shit !!
>>
>> ERIC ++++ A PROUD ABUSER OF ILLEGAL ANABOLIC DRUGS ++++
>>
One of the things that has kept me away from steroids is a friend of
mine from high school. He used to be pretty slim until he juiced and
achieved a good body, but then he stopped and now he's just fat. The
same happened to another guy I knew. Is this typical when one stops
steroids and working out? I mean you don't lose muscle and go back to
the slim frame before doing 'roids?
Kam
aaron
S. <kama...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<353ea6bc...@news.flash.net>...
thats what happens when you eat a fuck ton and train your ass off and get
huge, then stop training but eat the same, regardless of whether your on
drugs or not.
Krista Scott
aaron <tr...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<01bd6e64$28fd0f20$c13dffd0@default>...
>
>
> thats what happens when you eat a fuck ton and train your ass off and get
> huge, then stop training but eat the same, regardless of whether your on
> drugs or not.
It's like this... remember when you were 13, 14 or so? How you just
couldn't cram enough food into your mouth? You were always hungry and that
extra caloric consumption was actually doing you some good? You just ate
and ate and ate and grew and grew. And then when you hit 20 or so and kept
on eating like a teenager and suddenly noticed a little tummy roll where
there had been only flat belly before? Same thing.
Krista
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Erick Cid
In article <353ea6bc...@news.flash.net>, kama...@hotmail.com says...
>One of the things that has kept me away from steroids is a friend of
>mine from high school. He used to be pretty slim until he juiced and
>achieved a good body, but then he stopped and now he's just fat. The
>same happened to another guy I knew. Is this typical when one stops
>steroids and working out? I mean you don't lose muscle and go back to
>the slim frame before doing 'roids?
>
>Kam
You only get fat if you dont adjust your caloric intake for your current level
of activity and drug use.
Erick
Kenneth J Grindle
kama...@hotmail.com (S.) wrote:
>One of the things that has kept me away from steroids is a friend of
>mine from high school. He used to be pretty slim until he juiced and
>achieved a good body, but then he stopped and now he's just fat. The
>same happened to another guy I knew. Is this typical when one stops
>steroids and working out? I mean you don't lose muscle and go back to
>the slim frame before doing 'roids?
>
>Kam
This would be typical of someone who quit working out and kept
the same diet period you don't have to even add the roid factor.
Roids helps em put on the mass but they still have to work and eat
to keep the gains.
You could lose the muscle and go back to the same build before if
you took up long distance running and ate like a rabbit.
IMHO
Ken 23 Apr 1998, 1:12pm
Mike Cleven
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:29:08 GMT, kama...@hotmail.com (S.) wrote:
>On 20 Apr 1998 10:57:39 GMT, bow...@aol.com (BowlerT) wrote:
>
>>
>>Eric Friedmann <eric_fr...@gmx.net> wrote in article
>><35396B9F...@gmx.net>...
>>> you know what - I'm sick of all that anti-steroid bullshit.
>>>
>>> I know steroids are no substitute for discipline and hard work but they
>>> make the latter much
>>> more rewarding.
>>>
>>> I know I'm not supposed to post pics in here but I could not resist to
>>> show off my drastic improvements
>>> I made since last summer.
>>>
>>> You will see two pictures: One that has been taken last sommer in August
>>> during my vacation in Florida
>>> and an absolutely actual one from last week.
>>>
>>> Yeah, that what steroids did to me in 8 months !!!! I did not use any
>>> legal supplement besides Protein of
>>> course and this is how I look know ! What do you all supplement fuckers
>>> out there think ?? !! Just keep paying for all your Phosphagen HMB crap
>>> !!
>>>
>>> there is people in mfw that know the real shit !!
>>>
>>> ERIC ++++ A PROUD ABUSER OF ILLEGAL ANABOLIC DRUGS ++++
>>>
>
>One of the things that has kept me away from steroids is a friend of
>mine from high school. He used to be pretty slim until he juiced and
>achieved a good body, but then he stopped and now he's just fat. The
>same happened to another guy I knew. Is this typical when one stops
>steroids and working out? I mean you don't lose muscle and go back to
>the slim frame before doing 'roids?
Sounds like he kept on eating at the same volume without training as
hard. Of COURSE you have to start living differently when you go
"off", just like you have to start living differently when you go
"on". You can't gain any muscle by not eating, whether or not you're
talking 'roids, and similarly you can't expect to stay muscular and/or
lean if you stop training but keep on eating as if you still were, and
even moreso if you keep on eating as if you still were on 'roids (when
your metabolism was revved into high gear).
I know lots of guys who have "trained down" and don't have the
after-fat to show. As with anything to do with training or athletics,
you can't just go at things blindly; you have to think about what's
going on......
Mike Cleven
http://home.bc.rogers.wave.ca/ironmtn/
The thunderbolt steers all things.
- Herakleitos