Difference between Clean and Power Clean?
Steve Freides
between Power or not?
Thanks.
-S-
Mistress Krista
"Steve Freides" <st...@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
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> Clean means to bring the barbell to your chest - what's the difference
> between Power or not?
>
>
The starting position and first pull is the same, but power is "caught" with
a moderate to slight bend in the knees. Full clean means drop under the bar
into a full squat. Full clean requires more work from legs, while power
clean requires more pull from upper body.
Power clean:
http://www.biofitness.com/demo34.html
http://www.wsu.edu/athletics/strength/pwrclean.htm
Full clean: http://www.biofitness.com/demo32.html (first five figures)
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Steve Freides wrote:
>
> Clean means to bring the barbell to your chest - what's the difference
> between Power or not?
The difference is how deep you drop your hips, as I understand it.
A clean has the lifter going to rock bottom and a power clean has the lifter
going to about parallel. There may be some details I'm leaving out.
> Thanks.
>
> -S-
Jeff out ...
Keith Hobman
<st...@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
> Clean means to bring the barbell to your chest - what's the difference
> between Power or not?
In a clean the bar is both lifted and the body is dropped under it. A good
olympic lifter get the bar to somewhere around belt height and then drops
under it. Actually David Rigert claimed he used the bar to 'push' himself
under it! And he was so quick under the bar I don't doubt he actually did
that. The speed of a good olympic lifter in dropping under the bar and
catching is simply stunning. To me one of the most gracefull movements in
all sport.
In the power clean there is little or no body drop. The bar has to be
lifted much higher. It is a simpler technique. I can power clean more than
I can really clean - which is indicative of my crappy technique in the
clean.
--
Keith Hobman
You can put your boots in the oven, but that doesn't make them biscuits.
Lee Michaels
Steve Freides wrote:
> >
> > Clean means to bring the barbell to your chest - what's the difference
> > between Power or not?
>
A regular clean is done "clean". This involves a lot of technique,
quickness, flexibilty, etc. This is what the olympic weightlifters do.
A power clean is just "powered" to the chest. Little technique or style is
needed.
lee embe
kho...@sasktelNOSPAM.net says...
>
snip... David Rigert claimed he used the bar to 'push' himself
>under it! And he was so quick under the bar I don't doubt he actually did
>that. The speed of a good olympic lifter in dropping under the bar and
>catching is simply stunning. To me one of the most gracefull movements in
Keith Hobman
Yes, I've always thought it was one of most graceful movements in sport. ..I
read somewhere recently and I think I still have it my notes ...about a study
IIRC done at the last Olympics held in Germany... these researchers
discovered that the lifters in the clean had a faster reflex action in getting under
the weight than the 100 metre sprinters had in getting off the starting blocks --
which is quite an interesting comparison.
Lee Embe
There are no rules
gps
I disagree. Good technique should be employed in both. A power clean
won't involve the full squat or drop under that a true clean uses
though. IOW, you stay fairly upright in a power clean.
ps
gps
Yeah, just ask Whit. OL are the quickest athletes in the world,
according to some measures, not sprinters.
ps
Lee Michaels
"gps" <gst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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I know. I am just pointing out a little device to define the difference
between the two. This is what I was taught many years ago. Unlike now, when
a movement was taught back then, an actual person worked with you. And this
was long before the day of the "personal trainer".
Obviously there is some technique involved in the power clean. Just not the
amount and degree that is used in the regular olympic style clean.
I remeber an oldtimer who was a stickler for proper form. He always used to
ask, "How clean was your clean?"
stef
Keith Hobman <kho...@sasktelNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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> In article <3D09F56A...@fridayscomputer.com>, Steve Freides
> <st...@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>
> > Clean means to bring the barbell to your chest - what's the difference
> > between Power or not?
>
> In a clean the bar is both lifted and the body is dropped under it. A good
> olympic lifter get the bar to somewhere around belt height and then drops
> under it.
More like pulls under it using the shrug and as the elbows are brought
around. As the elbows are brought under you can push yourself down.
s
gps
That's not what I'm saying. To imply that the power clean is done
without technique or that the weight is just yanked up any old way is
misleading, which is what it sounds like you are saying to me (and maybe
I'm misunderstanding you). IMO, the only difference between the two is
that you don't drop under into a full squat when performing the power
clean. The pull and rack should be exactly the same for each lift. I
could be wrong about this as I don't have much OL knowledge, but I don't
think I am.
ps
Lee Michaels
I am NOT disagreeing with you. I was merely pointing out a semantic device
taught to me in my youth to distinguish power cleans from thieir olympic
cousins. As I pointed out in my post, when it was showed to me, it was
taught by folks sho knew what they were doing.
Almost everyone I knew when young had some kind of Olympic weightlifting
background. What they always tod me was that the poser clean was worked
specifically to work on the "pull" at the top half of the movement. I was
also told that the "power" term appplied to folks training for football.
n
Watson Davis
<mistresskrista*spam*@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>"Steve Freides" <st...@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>news:3D09F56A...@fridayscomputer.com...
>> Clean means to bring the barbell to your chest - what's the difference
>> between Power or not?
>>
>>
>
>The starting position and first pull is the same, but power is "caught" with
>a moderate to slight bend in the knees. Full clean means drop under the bar
>into a full squat. Full clean requires more work from legs, while power
>clean requires more pull from upper body.
>
>Power clean:
>http://www.biofitness.com/demo34.html
In this example, he drops further than I do.
Watson (the ninja of nice) Davis
Mistress Krista
"Watson Davis" <wat...@watsonmusic.com> wrote in message
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>
> In this example, he drops further than I do.
>
It's always about you, isn't it? :)
There is a lot of variation in how the bar is caught. There is also
variation in the pull WRT how much one comes up on to the toes. In fact,
once you get past the basic similarities there are often quite distinct
differences in lifting style from lifter to lifter. But anyway, generally
speaking, the distinguishing feature between power and full clean is the
knee bend, and the full clean is such a relatively deep squat that it's not
hard to tell them apart.
gps
> > without technique or that the weight is just yanked up any old way is
> > misleading, which is what it sounds like you are saying to me (and maybe
> > I'm misunderstanding you). IMO, the only difference between the two is
> > that you don't drop under into a full squat when performing the power
> > clean. The pull and rack should be exactly the same for each lift. I
> > could be wrong about this as I don't have much OL knowledge, but I don't
> > think I am.
> > ps
>
> I am NOT disagreeing with you. I was merely pointing out a semantic device
> taught to me in my youth to distinguish power cleans from thieir olympic
> cousins. As I pointed out in my post, when it was showed to me, it was
> taught by folks sho knew what they were doing.
>
> Almost everyone I knew when young had some kind of Olympic weightlifting
> background. What they always tod me was that the poser clean was worked
> specifically to work on the "pull" at the top half of the movement. I was
> also told that the "power" term appplied to folks training for football.
>
> n
OK gotcha now. I'm often a bit slow on the uptake, just ask cl.
ps
Paul J. Robertson
I'm sure you mean well, but stop giving advice, ok?
Thanks bunches,
PJR
CJF.
"Paul J. Robertson" wrote:
> "Lee Michaels" <leemc...@attbi.com> wrote
> > > >
> > > > Clean means to bring the barbell to your chest - what's the difference
> > > > between Power or not?
> > >
> > The way it was explained to me was this.
> >
> > A regular clean is done "clean". This involves a lot of technique,
> > quickness, flexibilty, etc. This is what the olympic weightlifters do.
> >
> > A power clean is just "powered" to the chest. Little technique or style is
> > needed.
>
> I'm sure you mean well,
Lee explained this further down in the thread.
> but stop giving advice, ok?
That's just some comments. No advice was given. :|
> Thanks bunches,
> PJR
Jeff out ...
whit
> lee embe wrote:
> >
> > In article <khobman-1406...@192.168.0.2>,
> > kho...@sasktelNOSPAM.net says...
> > >
> > snip... David Rigert claimed he used the bar to 'push' himself
> > >under it! And he was so quick under the bar I don't doubt he actually
did
> > >that. The speed of a good olympic lifter in dropping under the bar and
> > >catching is simply stunning. To me one of the most gracefull movements
in
> > >all sport....snip...
> > Keith Hobman
> >
> > Yes, I've always thought it was one of most graceful movements in sport.
..I
> > read somewhere recently and I think I still have it my notes ...about a
study
> > IIRC done at the last Olympics held in Germany... these researchers
> > discovered that the lifters in the clean had a faster reflex action in
getting under
> > the weight than the 100 metre sprinters had in getting off the starting
blocks --
Something which makes sense because the "reflex" action getting under the
bar is not a reflex action but a trained response. And it is in response to
specific proprioreceptive indicators, whereas the push off the blocks is in
relation to an audible cue, so there is a decision/reaction time gap. The
latter has no indicators apart from the audible cue. Therefore, it is not
really a fair comparison. You wouldn't expect the reaction time to an
audible cue to be faster than the reaction to proprioreceptive indication.
> > which is quite an interesting comparison.
> > Lee Embe
> > There are no rules
>
> Yeah, just ask Whit. OL are the quickest athletes in the world,
> according to some measures, not sprinters.
> ps
The "pull under" in the snatch is the fastest full body movement ever
measured in sports.
Also, elite OLers can generally beat elite sprinters over a short distance
iirc, e.g. 30 meters.
Whit
>
whit
>
> "gps" <gst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:3D0A1262...@ix.netcom.com...
> > Lee Michaels wrote:
> > >
> > > Steve Freides wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Clean means to bring the barbell to your chest - what's the
> difference
> > > > > between Power or not?
> > > >
> > > The way it was explained to me was this.
> > >
> > > A regular clean is done "clean". This involves a lot of technique,
> > > quickness, flexibilty, etc. This is what the olympic weightlifters
do.
> > >
> > > A power clean is just "powered" to the chest. Little technique or
style
> is
> > > needed.
This is complete bollocks.
The "clean" is called the clean because in the OLD DAYS, the bar was not
ALLOWED to contact any part of the body before it reached the shoulders. It
had to be lifted "clean" of the body vs. the continental or anyhow lifts
which could touch the body. Sometime, I don't recall when, the rules were
changed to allow the bar to contact the thighs, shins, etc. which brought in
modern technique. It also de-emphasized the relative importance of upper
body as compared to lower body strength.
The only "definitional difference" if you know what I mean, between the
clean and the power clean is the following.
In the clean, more properly called the SQUAT or SPLIT clean (depending on
version), the bar is caught on the shoulders and the lifter can amortize the
force by riding the weight down, as far as he wants to go (w/o the ass
touching the ground which is illegal).
In a power clean, the bar is caught high enough, and/or the amortization is
short enough, such that the femurs don't get below parallel in relation to
the ground (or they have to stay a bit higher depending on how loosely one
defines the power clean). This is the "power" position of the body, knees
bent in a pre-jumping position, and that is where the lift got it's name.
Now, technically a lifter can CATCH the bar in the power position, but ride
the bar down below the power position, and this would be a squat clean, not
a power clean. But, it means the lifter could have power cleaned the weight
IF he wanted to use that technique.
Neither "technique or style" to use your words is NEEDED in either the power
clean, or the squat clean. However, it is OPTIMAL to have, since it means
you can lift more weight with the same effort, or the same weight with less
effort.
The squat clean is not as neurologically complex and demanding as the squat
clean, however GOOD technique for either lift means more weight will be
lifted. Period.
Poor form in the power clean means less weight lifted (and higher chance of
injury). Poor form in the squat clean means the same thing.
> >
> > I disagree. Good technique should be employed in both. A power clean
> > won't involve the full squat or drop under that a true clean uses
> > though. IOW, you stay fairly upright in a power clean.
> > ps
>
> I know. I am just pointing out a little device to define the difference
> between the two. This is what I was taught many years ago.
You were taught "wrong".
Unlike now, when
> a movement was taught back then, an actual person worked with you. And
this
> was long before the day of the "personal trainer".
>
> Obviously there is some technique involved in the power clean. Just not
the
> amount and degree that is used in the regular olympic style clean.
>
The primary difference between the two as far as technique is that the power
clean does not require a full fledged squat under. However, the movement UP
UNTIL the squat under is equally complex, and is MORE explosive.
At best, your wording and descriptions are misleading. At worst, they are
just bogus.
Whit
whit
Watson Davis <wat...@watsonmusic.com> wrote in message
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And the definition of power clean is "fuzzy" in the same way that parallel
squat is.
Whit
>
Watson Davis
<mistresskrista*spam*@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>"Watson Davis" <wat...@watsonmusic.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> In this example, he drops further than I do.
>>
>
>
>It's always about you, isn't it? :)
Who else could it possibly be about?
Watson Davis
And wasn't it at the '68 Olympics that the Olympic Lifters outsprinted
everyone BUT the elite sprinters?
Or something like that.
whit
If that was the Mexico City one (which I think it was), yes. Actually, iirc
(and I may not), the lifters beat the sprinters for a very short sprint
(30m) but I could be wrong and I don't have the time to check right now.
They were second to gymnast in flexibility, and 2nd to high jumpers in
jumping ability - iirc
Whit
Keith Hobman
I'd heard several Russian weightlifters could beat the sprinters out of the block - for the first fifteen metres or so.
I haven't been able to verify that.
--
Keith Hobman
We who are about to squat salute you! (Lyle McDonald)
Alex Brands
> Also, elite OLers can generally beat elite sprinters over a short distance
> iirc, e.g. 30 meters.
Same with football players.
In one of Fred Hatfield's publications, he had a graph of the famous Ben
Johnson/Carl Lewis olympic race (the one the Johnsosn won, but was later
DQ'd). In the graph, you could see their times at the 40 yard point. I
don't remember the numbers, but they were significantly slower than fast
college football players. The interpretation was that the 100 meter
sprinters have a longer acceleration phase and are able to maintain their
speed longer than football players.
Alex Brands
> The squat clean is not as neurologically complex and demanding as the squat
> clean,
But how do those lifts compare to the squat clean?
Wayne S. Hill
Or, alternatively, the squat clean?
-Wayne
whit
Wayne S. Hill <wsh...@nospam.world.std.com> wrote in message
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Bastids!
It SHOULD have read "the power clean is not as neurologically complex and
demanding as the squat clean"...
But you knew that...
Whit
... bastids...
>
whit
Alex Brands <abbr...@artsci.wustl.edu> wrote in message
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Yes. I have that book. "Power: A Scientific Approach".
Good one.
Whit
>
>
>
Wayne S. Hill
> Wayne S. Hill wrote...
>> Alex Brands wrote:
>> > On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, whit wrote:
>> >
>> >> The squat clean is not as neurologically complex and
>> >> demanding as the squat clean,
>> >
>> > But how do those lifts compare to the squat clean?
>>
>> Or, alternatively, the squat clean?
>
> Bastids!
>
> It SHOULD have read "the power clean is not as
> neurologically complex and demanding as the squat clean"...
>
> But you knew that...
Why, yes, Whit, now that you mention it, yes we did...
-Wayne
Keith Hobman
Bogus. Charlie Francis had a football coach clock Ben Johnson using their method, which means hitting the stopwatch after the player starts. By football standards Ben ran a 3.77 40.
gps
Yeah, I'd have to say 40 times for football players are imaginative at
best.
ps