Tribex-500
alf...@frontiernet.net
At the risk of provoking a range-war, I'm wondering if anyone has had
personal experience with Tribex-500 - I'm thinking about giving it a
try.
Thanks.
Al
Chris Shugart
>I used it and didnt feel a thing. I actually, ended up throwing
out just about
>a whole bottle. However, now I guess it is twelve times
stronger or something.
>
>-Matt McGloin
You've posted something like this before, Matt. I'm curious now.
What exactly did you expect to "feel"? How much did you take,
dosages etc.? If you threw out half a bottle, does that mean you
only took it for around 7 days and gave up? Also, why did you
throw it out when you could have gotten your money back? Just
curious.
As for "feeling" Tribex-500, here's what I've noticed. 6 pills a
day in two dosages, feel fine, noticable increase in sex drive. 8
a day I got a little edgy, short tempered. Went to 10 a day once
and people thought I was Pat Arnold. Started stalking Tim
Patterson and everything. Ok, seriously, I felt very aggressive,
pissed off all day for no reason. Great workouts though. I take
6-8 a day now, 5 days on, 2 days off. Good results without
driving my wife crazy.
-Chris Shugart
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Matthew McGloin
a whole bottle. However, now I guess it is twelve times stronger or something.
-Matt McGloin
The one and only.
(eliminate Q to e-mail me)
Lyle McDonald
>
> >I used it and didnt feel a thing. I actually, ended up throwing
> out just about
> >a whole bottle. However, now I guess it is twelve times
> stronger or something.
> >
> >-Matt McGloin
>
> What exactly did you expect to "feel"? How much did you take,
> dosages etc.? If you threw out half a bottle, does that mean you
> only took it for around 7 days and gave up? Also, why did you
> throw it out when you could have gotten your money back? Just
> curious.
>
> As for "feeling" Tribex-500, here's what I've noticed. 6 pills a
> day in two dosages, feel fine, noticable increase in sex drive. 8
> a day I got a little edgy, short tempered. Went to 10 a day once
> and people thought I was Pat Arnold. Started stalking Tim
> Patterson and everything. Ok, seriously, I felt very aggressive,
> pissed off all day for no reason. Great workouts though. I take
> 6-8 a day now, 5 days on, 2 days off. Good results without
> driving my wife crazy.
Chris,
Please, feel free to post changes in body composition since adding
tribex to your stack. It would be helpful to ahve a baseline to compare
to (i.e. what were your gains prior to adding the tribex). I won't hold
my breath on this one.
Lyle
Chris Shugart
>Chris,
>Please, feel free to post changes in body composition since
adding
>tribex to your stack. It would be helpful to ahve a baseline to
compare
>to (i.e. what were your gains prior to adding the tribex). I
won't hold
>my breath on this one.
>
>Lyle
Let me guess. I post good results and you'll say, "Sure, you
work for T-mag, you lying spammer!" Or "placebo effect!" And if
I post not so good results, I'll hear, "See, told you it doesn't
work."
It's a no win situation, Lyle, and you know it. I don't think
I'll fall on that particular double edged sword. Let's just say
that even if I didn't write for T-mag, I'll still buy it.
Lyle McDonald
>
> >Chris,
> >Please, feel free to post changes in body composition since
> adding
> >tribex to your stack. It would be helpful to ahve a baseline to
> compare
> >to (i.e. what were your gains prior to adding the tribex). I
> won't hold
> >my breath on this one.
> >
> >Lyle
>
> Let me guess. I post good results and you'll say, "Sure, you
> work for T-mag, you lying spammer!" Or "placebo effect!" And if
> I post not so good results, I'll hear, "See, told you it doesn't
> work."
You misjudge me sir, I was looking for data. As I expected, you copped out.
Incidentally, did you ever look back at the lies in TC's little 'study',
where he used hypogonadal men and then tried to hide the fact in
non-standard units. I sent him two feedback letters hoping he would
clarify his outright lies, neither of which he printed. All of this
after he said he would print ALL feedback letters.
I also notice that you never replied to my last post on this thread
(when you were trying to defend Test.nets continuous stream of lies and
outright bullshit).
I hope you know who/what you're working for, Chris. Because when the
shit goes down, you will go down with it. Of course, considering the
generally poor short-term memory span of the average bodybuilding
magazine reader, after everyone realizes that test-net is just a big
pile of steaming bullshit and lies, nobody will remember (except for me
and a few others) that you tried to defend their lies and bullshit
because you were working for them.
Lyle
Oh yeah, if you just want to be more agressive, try caffeine, it's a lot
cheaper than tribex will ever be.
ClintThompson
>You've posted something like this before, Matt. I'm curious now.
>What exactly did you expect to "feel"? How much did you take,
>dosages etc.? If you threw out half a bottle, does that mean you
>only took it for around 7 days and gave up? Also, why did you
>throw it out when you could have gotten your money back? Just
>curious.
>
>As for "feeling" Tribex-500, here's what I've noticed. 6 pills a
>day in two dosages, feel fine, noticable increase in sex drive. 8
>a day I got a little edgy, short tempered. Went to 10 a day once
>and people thought I was Pat Arnold. Started stalking Tim
>Patterson and everything. Ok, seriously, I felt very aggressive,
>pissed off all day for no reason. Great workouts though. I take
>6-8 a day now, 5 days on, 2 days off. Good results without
>driving my wife crazy.
>
>-Chris Shugart
>
Fatt McGloin needs to BUTCH THE FUCK UP! This asshole is a total CHOAD and a
TROLL. I took tribex 500 and WITHIN A WEEK was having such raging hard-ons
that my fiance Yfatte thought Captain Ahab was after her. BTW, Chris, please
ask TC when I get paid for my next article. The welfare check comes on the
first of every month and since Yfatte can no longer squeeze through the door to
turn tricks we have little money. :)
-----------------
Robert Schoauoasdfjpodkjtpahdtrpoiuuch
"the most anally raped woman on the internet!"
Vulva, Anus, Labia, Phallus, and Nutsack are gods!
There can be only one (kidney)
Proud endorser of Sniggers brand candy-bars "Yfatte just loves them!"
Lyle McDonald
the efficacy of Tribestan/Tribex would be cheap and easy to do.
Test.net could go a long way towards establishing a shred of credibility
by funding such a study.
Jsut get some normogonadal men, and get pre and post-tribex blood work
to see if it's really elevating LH and or testosterone. Of course, this
will never happen becuse then Test.net's cash cow would be shown to be a
total and utter scam. Fact is, nobody wants this study done, although
it would be fairly cheap and easy to do.
BTW, I shall make a prediction, one that I hope folks will remember:
In a year or so, when TC/test.net find a new scam to pull on
bodybuilders, they will come out and state that they knew Tribestan was
a scam all along and start reaming out all the companie still selling
it. This will occur after they have quietly stopped selling Tribex-500,
so that folks will forget that they ever hyped the holy hell out of it.
Alternately, TC will supposedly find some 'research' showing that Tribex
has all manners of horrible side effects, which is why test.net (since
they are honest and care about their readres) are going to stop selling
it. This will happen about the time that Tribestan sales are starting
to drop.
this will be no different than when TC wrote (for test.net) that he knew
EAS brand CLA was a scam, forgetting conveniently that he had readily
whored it for Muscle Media several years prior, claiming to have gained
3.7 lbs of LBM, while losing 2.3 lbs of fat (love those decimals).
Lyle
Man I love this field
Butch Smith
<lotekN...@camalott.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>You've posted something like this before, Matt. I'm curious now.
>What exactly did you expect to "feel"? How much did you take,
>dosages etc.? If you threw out half a bottle, does that mean you
>only took it for around 7 days and gave up? Also, why did you
>throw it out when you could have gotten your money back? Just
>curious.
>
>As for "feeling" Tribex-500, here's what I've noticed. 6 pills a
>day in two dosages, feel fine, noticable increase in sex drive. 8
>a day I got a little edgy, short tempered. Went to 10 a day once
>and people thought I was Pat Arnold. Started stalking Tim
>Patterson and everything. Ok, seriously, I felt very aggressive,
>pissed off all day for no reason. Great workouts though. I take
>6-8 a day now, 5 days on, 2 days off. Good results without
>driving my wife crazy.
>
Another typical Biotest shill. I have never personally tried Tribex.
However my brother and a close friend tried it and both had no results
to speak of. My brother was taking 6 in the am and 6 in the pm for a
total of 12 per day. These were the dosages recommended by Biotest
over the phone for his bodyweight of 280 pounds. My friend was taking
10 per day at a body weight of 220 and also got nothing from it. My
brother used 3 full bottles and the friend used all but one tablet
from his third bottle and did get a refund.
Of course the new topical Andro product is supposed to "Feel
like Sustanon" so I can't wait to get some. (NOT). I wonder why
all of a sudden the Andro products are no longer the evil estrogenic
waste Tmag said they were not so long ago? I guess TP had a change of
heart, or maybe he just thinks he can make some money from Andro now.
Have a great day,
Butch Smith
Lyle McDonald
>
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:36:10 -0800, Chris Shugart
> <lotekN...@camalott.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> >
> >You've posted something like this before, Matt. I'm curious now.
> >What exactly did you expect to "feel"? How much did you take,
> >dosages etc.? If you threw out half a bottle, does that mean you
> >only took it for around 7 days and gave up? Also, why did you
> >throw it out when you could have gotten your money back? Just
> >curious.
> >
> >As for "feeling" Tribex-500, here's what I've noticed. 6 pills a
> >day in two dosages, feel fine, noticable increase in sex drive. 8
> >a day I got a little edgy, short tempered. Went to 10 a day once
> >and people thought I was Pat Arnold. Started stalking Tim
> >Patterson and everything. Ok, seriously, I felt very aggressive,
> >pissed off all day for no reason. Great workouts though. I take
> >6-8 a day now, 5 days on, 2 days off. Good results without
> >driving my wife crazy.
> >
>
> Another typical Biotest shill.
But isn't Chris great? I mean, he actually seems to beleive his own
bullshit on the topic. He really seems to believe that Test.net is a
beacon of shining truth in a world of lies and scams (despite several of
us pointing out specific lies on the part of TC et. al. in the past of
test.net). Either hs is a true shill or just too oblivious to know any better.
It's like these who sell that stupid GroBust tit enlargment cream. I'm
sure they know it is a scam yet they will sit there and gleefully tell
you 'No, it really works'. There was a girl at the Arnold who was like
a negative-A cup who tried to convince some girls I was hanging out with
that the shit had worked for her. They are so determined to sell their
scam, that they will turn off that part of their brain that lets them
know any better. Or they are just taht stupid to begin with.
Lyle
Rob
><lotekN...@camalott.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>You've posted something like this before, Matt. I'm curious now.
>>What exactly did you expect to "feel"? How much did you take,
>>dosages etc.? If you threw out half a bottle, does that mean you
>>only took it for around 7 days and gave up? Also, why did you
>>throw it out when you could have gotten your money back? Just
>>curious.
>>
>>As for "feeling" Tribex-500, here's what I've noticed. 6 pills a
>>day in two dosages, feel fine, noticable increase in sex drive. 8
>>a day I got a little edgy, short tempered. Went to 10 a day once
>>and people thought I was Pat Arnold. Started stalking Tim
>>Patterson and everything. Ok, seriously, I felt very aggressive,
>>pissed off all day for no reason. Great workouts though. I take
>>6-8 a day now, 5 days on, 2 days off. Good results without
>>driving my wife crazy.
>>
>
For the record, I had tried Tribestan with ZERO results. Then I enquired about
Tribex-500 & was told that their's was the only brand of Trib that worked
since it was harvested from the correct part of the plant. I tried Tribex-500
& noticed ZERO effects as well. I guess Tribestan & Tribex-500 are harvested
from the same part of the plant. Too bad this plant doesn't work.
What's funny is that they almost hyped Tribex-500 as a jr clomid to me.
Another $100 down the drain. Biotest & test.net suck!!!!!
John M. Williams
>
>Oh yeah, if you just want to be more agressive, try caffeine,
>it's a lot cheaper than tribex will ever be.
Shit, Lyle, don't you have any idea what is going on in the supplement
industry? Biotest has already come out with a transdermal caffeine
supplement, CappucinoLube. The whole Test.net staff rubbed in onto
their scrotums and were suddenly compelled to gang rape Juan Valdez's
burro.
--
John M. Williams <><><><><><> theen...@delphi.com
<><><> http://people.delphi.com/theenforcer/ <><><>
Formertmag
>Let me guess. I post good results and you'll say, "Sure, you
>work for T-mag, you lying spammer!"
No one sees any increased muscle gains from Tribex. If people wanna buy it for
the supposed libido effects, fine, but that isn't what it's being marketed as.
BTW, you write like a shill...
> Or "placebo effect!" And if
>I post not so good results, I'll hear, "See, told you it doesn't work." It's a
no win situation, Lyle, and you know it. I don't think
>I'll fall on that particular double edged sword. Let's just say
>that even if I didn't write for T-mag, I'll still buy it.
--
Formertmag
Patrick Arnold
Chris Shugart wrote:
> >I used it and didnt feel a thing. I actually, ended up throwing
> out just about
> >a whole bottle. However, now I guess it is twelve times
> stronger or something.
> >
> >-Matt McGloin
>
> You've posted something like this before, Matt. I'm curious now.
> What exactly did you expect to "feel"?
Maybe he expected to feel something close to the outrageous, smack you right in
the face dramatic effects that Tim Patterson claims for the stuff.
Not necessarily making any connection here (yet), but do you guys remember HMB?
Bill Phillips comes out and says it feels like 400mg of deca. And then a year
later when people are not so sure it does anything, MM2K starts saying that the
effects of HMB are subtle and build up over time and you have to take it for
months to see the effect.
> How much did you take,
> dosages etc.? If you threw out half a bottle, does that mean you
> only took it for around 7 days and gave up? Also, why did you
> throw it out when you could have gotten your money back? Just
> curious.
>
> As for "feeling" Tribex-500, here's what I've noticed. 6 pills a
> day in two dosages, feel fine, noticable increase in sex drive. 8
> a day I got a little edgy, short tempered. Went to 10 a day once
> and people thought I was Pat Arnold.
I didn't realize it had anabolic AND nootropic properties. :-)
> Started stalking Tim
> Patterson and everything. Ok, seriously, I felt very aggressive,
> pissed off all day for no reason. Great workouts though. I take
> 6-8 a day now, 5 days on, 2 days off. Good results without
> driving my wife crazy.
>
I wish Tim Patterson, now that he knows that tribex doesn't raise testosterone,
could at least stop making that claim for the stuff. And stop throwing around
that misleading "free testosterone / cortisol ratio". People with Addison's
disease can have tremendous free testostrone to cortisol ratios yet they are
thin and weak
Patrick Arnold
Lyle McDonald wrote:
> Chris Shugart wrote:
> >
> > >Chris,
> > >Please, feel free to post changes in body composition since
> > adding
> > >tribex to your stack. It would be helpful to ahve a baseline to
> > compare
> > >to (i.e. what were your gains prior to adding the tribex). I
> > won't hold
> > >my breath on this one.
> > >
> > >Lyle
> >
> > Let me guess. I post good results and you'll say, "Sure, you
> > work for T-mag, you lying spammer!" Or "placebo effect!" And if
> > I post not so good results, I'll hear, "See, told you it doesn't
> > work."
>
> You misjudge me sir, I was looking for data. As I expected, you copped out.
As he said Lyle, any data he would have posted would have been suspect to us
anyway. So there was no point
> Incidentally, did you ever look back at the lies in TC's little 'study',
> where he used hypogonadal men and then tried to hide the fact in
> non-standard units. I sent him two feedback letters hoping he would
> clarify his outright lies, neither of which he printed. All of this
> after he said he would print ALL feedback letters.
>
> I also notice that you never replied to my last post on this thread
> (when you were trying to defend Test.nets continuous stream of lies and
> outright bullshit).
>
I feel very sorry for people who appear generally honest and are stuck between
the urge to be thruthful and open, and the need to defend a friend / co-worker
who lies and misleads.
> I hope you know who/what you're working for, Chris. Because when the
> shit goes down, you will go down with it. Of course, considering the
> generally poor short-term memory span of the average bodybuilding
> magazine reader, after everyone realizes that test-net is just a big
> pile of steaming bullshit and lies, nobody will remember (except for me
> and a few others) that you tried to defend their lies and bullshit
> because you were working for them.
>
> Lyle
> Oh yeah, if you just want to be more agressive, try caffeine, it's a lot
> cheaper than tribex will ever be.
--
Patrick Arnold
Lyle McDonald wrote:
> Incidentally, Chris, I'm sure you know as well as I that a study to test
> the efficacy of Tribestan/Tribex would be cheap and easy to do.
> Test.net could go a long way towards establishing a shred of credibility
> by funding such a study.
>
> Jsut get some normogonadal men, and get pre and post-tribex blood work
> to see if it's really elevating LH and or testosterone.
At least one study was done on tribestan that showed no elevation of
testosterone. A study was also done on Tribex that looked at levels of
various hormones. The only result that TP quotes from that study is that
Tribex raised the free testosterone / cortisol ratio. I think that pretty
much right there tells you that Tribex also failed to show any significant
testosterone elevatios (yet he still promotes it as such)
Patrick Arnold
Lyle McDonald wrote:
> Butch Smith wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:36:10 -0800, Chris Shugart
> > <lotekN...@camalott.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >You've posted something like this before, Matt. I'm curious now.
> > >What exactly did you expect to "feel"? How much did you take,
> > >dosages etc.? If you threw out half a bottle, does that mean you
> > >only took it for around 7 days and gave up? Also, why did you
> > >throw it out when you could have gotten your money back? Just
> > >curious.
> > >
> > >As for "feeling" Tribex-500, here's what I've noticed. 6 pills a
> > >day in two dosages, feel fine, noticable increase in sex drive. 8
> > >a day I got a little edgy, short tempered. Went to 10 a day once
> > >and people thought I was Pat Arnold. Started stalking Tim
> > >Patterson and everything. Ok, seriously, I felt very aggressive,
> > >pissed off all day for no reason. Great workouts though. I take
> > >6-8 a day now, 5 days on, 2 days off. Good results without
> > >driving my wife crazy.
> > >
> >
> > Another typical Biotest shill.
>
> But isn't Chris great? I mean, he actually seems to beleive his own
> bullshit on the topic. He really seems to believe that Test.net is a
> beacon of shining truth in a world of lies and scams (despite several of
> us pointing out specific lies on the part of TC et. al. in the past of
> test.net). Either hs is a true shill or just too oblivious to know any better.
>
> It's like these who sell that stupid GroBust tit enlargment cream. I'm
> sure they know it is a scam yet they will sit there and gleefully tell
> you 'No, it really works'. There was a girl at the Arnold who was like
> a negative-A cup who tried to convince some girls I was hanging out with
> that the shit had worked for her. They are so determined to sell their
> scam, that they will turn off that part of their brain that lets them
> know any better. Or they are just taht stupid to begin with.
>
> Lyle
The one great statement that our sales marketing guy Dave heard there was for this
electronic muscle stimulator. The sales man told someone that when using this
apparatus, it is "physiologically impossible NOT to stimulate muscle growth". Now
what the fuck does that mean?
Lyle McDonald
>
> Lyle McDonald <lyl...@onr.com> wrote:
> >
> >Oh yeah, if you just want to be more agressive, try caffeine,
> >it's a lot cheaper than tribex will ever be.
>
> industry? Biotest has already come out with a transdermal caffeine
> supplement, CappucinoLube. The whole Test.net staff rubbed in onto
> their scrotums and were suddenly compelled to gang rape Juan Valdez's
> burro.
I think they should all just use caffeine suppositories.
Lyle
Lyle McDonald
> The one great statement that our sales marketing guy Dave heard there was for this
> electronic muscle stimulator. The sales man told someone that when using this
> apparatus, it is "physiologically impossible NOT to stimulate muscle growth". Now
> what the fuck does that mean?
It means that the guys selling the EMS units is just as clueless as the
folks who buy them. That'd be my guess.
Lyle
Lyle McDonald
Was this actually published somewhere (like in a journal)? Because I
missed it totally. But I'd love to read it.
Lyle
Lyle McDonald
> I feel very sorry for people who appear generally honest and are stuck between
> the urge to be thruthful and open, and the need to defend a friend / co-worker
> who lies and misleads.
Pretty simple solution: don't work/be friends with such individuals.
And, if you do (which is a personal choice), deal with the consequences
(which is the outcome of making such a personal choice). Whether that's
having your name soiled, or having some bored asshole on mfw named Lyle
attack you, be prepared to deal: you made your omelette, now you have to
sleep in it.
That I can tell, nobody is holding a gun to Chris' head to make him
work/whore for test.net. For all I know, he is the nicest, most honest
guy in the world. Not having met him I can't say one way or the other.
But, all I've seen so far from him is feeble attempts to defend the
constant spewing of bullshit from test.net. So either he made the
conscious choice to do that (in which case he deserves no pity from you
or me), or he is truly too oblivious to know what's really going on over
there (ditto, although now I'm just being mean).
It's like when a couple of individuals I know of whined about being
taken advantage of by the boys over at Pump (one claimed that they had
used his name without his permission, I brought this up a while back in
a different context that doesn't bear repetition ; the other was
surprised when they altered his articles after submission to push their
snake oil. To which I ask 'What the fuck did you expect? These are
bodybuilding magazines we're talking about, they don't want to print the
truth, they want to print whatever will move the most product for
them.').
Fact is, they both chose to sign on with Cribbs and his particular pack
of thieves and they paid the consequences. They deserve no pity or
special considerations, because they were too dumb/naive to know not to
get involved with such types.
Lyle
Who doesn't work/get associated with anybody who he doesn't trust completely
I can think of at least two businesses who would like me to be
associated with what they are doing. But based on my opinion of the
kinds of things they do, I make the conscious choice not to have my name
associated in any way with them. Yeah, I could make a truckload of
money (or at least keep myself in protein powder) if I choose to work
with either of them. But I won't do it. That is my choice. Chris made
his choice, and now he gets to deal with the consequences.
Patrick Arnold
Lyle McDonald wrote:
the first tribestan study was published somewhere but i do not know where. the
second tribex study i believe has not been published and i would bet that TP is
praying it will not be
Patrick Arnold
Lyle McDonald wrote:
Some people are very easily taken in by pricks like that, after they talk to them in
person. They fall for sweet talk and enthusiastic big promises etc. I think this
may be the case with alot of Chris Shugarts. After they fall for the shit they keep
wanting to believe their "friends" that bullshitted them, and they turn blind eyes
to their misdeeds. A Chris Shugart can't stand the fact that this guy he put his
faith into is not all he propped himself up to be, and in fact, might actually be a
considerable weasel (eeeeekk.....eeeeeeekkk!!)
Me? I have been burned enough that I can spot someone who is giving me bullshit a
mile away. The big give away? When they feel they have to keep telling you how
honest and generous they are. Another give away? When they keep telling you how
rich you are going to get with them, and how they have access to this and that and
are so well connected and established etc. Run, don't walk, away from these
people!! Honest people do not have to tell you bullshit about their integrity and
intentions, and they will not avoid the bad when discussing the good.
Evan J Morris
: Chris Shugart wrote:
: > a day I got a little edgy, short tempered. Went to 10 a day once
: > and people thought I was Pat Arnold.
: I didn't realize it had anabolic AND nootropic properties. :-)
Nice...Pat 1, Chris 0...where'd he go, anyway?
Lyle McDonald
> Some people are very easily taken in by pricks like that, after they talk to them in
> person. They fall for sweet talk and enthusiastic big promises etc. I think this
> may be the case with alot of Chris Shugarts.
I guess I'm lucky that I'm just a jaded, bitter, cynical bastard.
> Me? I have been burned enough that I can spot someone who is giving me bullshit a
> mile away.
I guess I was 'lucky' enough to run into some real bastards early on (in
other aspects of life), which made me a bitter, untrusting, cynical
asshole. I don't trust anybody, not even me.
>The big give away? When they feel they have to keep telling you how
> honest and generous they are. Another give away? When they keep telling you how
> rich you are going to get with them, and how they have access to this and that and
> are so well connected and established etc. Run, don't walk, away from these
> people!! Honest people do not have to tell you bullshit about their integrity and
> intentions, and they will not avoid the bad when discussing the good.
Hey, Pat, have I told you lately how honest and generous I am? And that
I can make you rich? And that I have access to this and that and am so
well connected and established?
Lyle
Patrick Arnold
Lyle McDonald wrote:
ONe guy in this industry kept saying to me.."You ready to get rich?" and shit like that.
Man did i roll my eyes. Needless to say things did not end up so hot with that particular
company
Lyle McDonald
> ONe guy in this industry kept saying to me.."You ready to get rich?" and shit like that.
> Man did i roll my eyes. Needless to say things did not end up so hot with that particular
> company
A friend of mine made the mistake of getting involved with some real
scam artists (one of these stupid thigh-reduction creams, the ones that
don't do jack shit). Company is selling an $11 dollar product for
nearly 2 bills (that's one dose worth) and moving over 1000 bottles a
week (do the math on that net). But the coipmany bounced a rather large
check to my friend, and then accused him of robbing them when he went to
claim it.
Man I love this field.
So, Pat, you ready to get rich? Just slide me the formulation for your
miracle goop and we'll get to work....... Don't worry, you can trust me,
we'll just consider it a handshake agreement (well, an internet
handshake in any event).
Lyle
domi...@my-deja.com
say that Biotest and test.net suck and that they stole your money when
you can get a full refund if the shit doesn't work.
I mean, if you buy the stuff, and it doesn't work, send it back for a
full refund, and file it under "experience", you know?
the real morons in this argument are those who buy a product from a
company who offers a 100% money back guarantee, try it, find that it
does nothing for them, but DON'T send it back!
Take me for example. A few years back, I bought some EAS CLA, protein,
and BetaGen, found that they were garbage, and sent them back for a
full refund. Yeah, it took some effort on my part, but in the end, I
lost nothing! I didn't feel taken advantage of or anything, because my
wallet was just as fat as before I bought the shit.
Yeah it's unethical that test.net is taking advantage of clueless
newbies to bodybuilding, but it's the newbies who are the morons if
they choose not to return a product that doesn't work. I mean, you
might as well be throwing dollar bills into the garbage. It's like
throwing away a winning lottery ticket. And if you find that Biotest
stuff works for you, then keep it.
anyhow, if I haven't made my point by now, I don't know what else I can
say.
IMHO, it's unbelievable how stupid the average human being is.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
asherw...@my-deja.com
Patrick Arnold <parn...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> I wish Tim Patterson, now that he knows that tribex doesn't raise
testosterone,
> could at least stop making that claim for the stuff. And stop
throwing around
> that misleading "free testosterone / cortisol ratio". People with
Addison's
> disease can have tremendous free testostrone to cortisol ratios yet
they are
> thin and weak
Rob
>Before you buy.
Ummm, which one of the 4 personalities posting 70% are you? Isn't it odd that
the only test.net supporters are the ones with anonymous accounts?
Patrick Arnold
domi...@my-deja.com wrote:
> What I understand least about this argument is how people can whine and
> say that Biotest and test.net suck and that they stole your money when
> you can get a full refund if the shit doesn't work.
I agree. There should be no argument about losing money if someone has a
money back guarantee. Maybe you lose a little trust and a little time and
a little faith but there should be no money argument.
> I mean, if you buy the stuff, and it doesn't work, send it back for a
> full refund, and file it under "experience", you know?
And next time you see something hyped on Testosterone.net you will be a
little smarter, whether it be about supplements or toxicity of products or
of 70% internet postings etc. This guy is right actually, you really
aren't out that much considering the learning experience you got.
> the real morons in this argument are those who buy a product from a
> company who offers a 100% money back guarantee, try it, find that it
> does nothing for them, but DON'T send it back!
Stupid and lazy.
> Take me for example. A few years back, I bought some EAS CLA, protein,
> and BetaGen, found that they were garbage, and sent them back for a
> full refund. Yeah, it took some effort on my part, but in the end, I
> lost nothing! I didn't feel taken advantage of or anything, because my
> wallet was just as fat as before I bought the shit.
And you learned not to be quite so gullible
> Yeah it's unethical that test.net is taking advantage of clueless
> newbies to bodybuilding, but it's the newbies who are the morons if
> they choose not to return a product that doesn't work. I mean, you
> might as well be throwing dollar bills into the garbage. It's like
> throwing away a winning lottery ticket. And if you find that Biotest
> stuff works for you, then keep it.
> anyhow, if I haven't made my point by now, I don't know what else I can
> say.
> IMHO, it's unbelievable how stupid the average human being is.
Whole industries thrive on the stupidity of common man
Patrick Arnold
asherw...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <38D57426...@ix.netcom.com>,
> Patrick Arnold <parn...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > I wish Tim Patterson, now that he knows that tribex doesn't raise
> testosterone,
> > could at least stop making that claim for the stuff. And stop
> throwing around
> > that misleading "free testosterone / cortisol ratio". People with
> Addison's
> > disease can have tremendous free testostrone to cortisol ratios yet
> they are
> > thin and weak
> If it doesn't raise T, what does it do besides fill up a capsule?
>
It may have unique CNS stimulating properties that have yet not been
elucidated
Patrick Arnold
Rob wrote:
> In article <8b5vgb$r7q$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, domi...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >What I understand least about this argument is how people can whine and
> >say that Biotest and test.net suck and that they stole your money when
> >you can get a full refund if the shit doesn't work.
> >I mean, if you buy the stuff, and it doesn't work, send it back for a
> >full refund, and file it under "experience", you know?
> >the real morons in this argument are those who buy a product from a
> >company who offers a 100% money back guarantee, try it, find that it
> >does nothing for them, but DON'T send it back!
> >Take me for example. A few years back, I bought some EAS CLA, protein,
> >and BetaGen, found that they were garbage, and sent them back for a
> >full refund. Yeah, it took some effort on my part, but in the end, I
> >lost nothing! I didn't feel taken advantage of or anything, because my
> >wallet was just as fat as before I bought the shit.
> >Yeah it's unethical that test.net is taking advantage of clueless
> >newbies to bodybuilding, but it's the newbies who are the morons if
> >they choose not to return a product that doesn't work. I mean, you
> >might as well be throwing dollar bills into the garbage. It's like
> >throwing away a winning lottery ticket. And if you find that Biotest
> >stuff works for you, then keep it.
> >anyhow, if I haven't made my point by now, I don't know what else I can
> >say.
> >IMHO, it's unbelievable how stupid the average human being is.
> >
> >
> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >Before you buy.
>
> Ummm, which one of the 4 personalities posting 70% are you? Isn't it odd that
> the only test.net supporters are the ones with anonymous accounts?
this does not seem like a test.net supporter, just a guy with a thing about money
back guarantees
Lyle McDonald
>
> domi...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > What I understand least about this argument is how people can whine and
> > say that Biotest and test.net suck and that they stole your money when
> > you can get a full refund if the shit doesn't work.
>
> money back guarantee. Maybe you lose a little trust and a little time and
> a little faith but there should be no money argument.
So you're saying that it's ok to sell stuff that you KNOW is crap, that
you KNOW you have lied to push, as long as you offer a money-back
guarantee? Sorry, I can't agree with that.
Because companies ultimately know that only a small percentage (maybe
40% if that) will bother to return the stuff. Compound this with the
general hassle (yes, this is simply laziness on the part of the consumer
but the companies are banking on it) of doing so, paying shipping both
ways, calling to get a return validation number, etc and it's a copout
to say that it's ok to sell shitty products just because you offer the guarantee.
Case in point, the guys selling this bs thigh-reducing cream, insist
that you have to follow this vastly complicated set of guidelines (rub
it on, wait 3.5', do this, do that, do the other). If you don't follow
it to the letter, they won't refund your money.
I vaguely recall folks getting a major run-around hassle a few years
back when they tried to cancel their '100% guaranteed money back
guarantee' lifetime Muscle Media subscription as well. I don't know if
test.net pulls this or not.
Ultimately, if the company offered something that worked in the first
place, such a guarantee wouldn't really be necessary would it?
Lyle
Rob
>> >What I understand least about this argument is how people can whine and
>> >say that Biotest and test.net suck and that they stole your money when
>> >you can get a full refund if the shit doesn't work.
Is that like a Tom Woo no money down thing?
Patrick Arnold
Lyle McDonald wrote:
> Patrick Arnold wrote:
> >
> > domi...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > > What I understand least about this argument is how people can whine and
> > > say that Biotest and test.net suck and that they stole your money when
> > > you can get a full refund if the shit doesn't work.
> >
> > I agree. There should be no argument about losing money if someone has a
> > money back guarantee. Maybe you lose a little trust and a little time and
> > a little faith but there should be no money argument.
>
> So you're saying that it's ok to sell stuff that you KNOW is crap, that
> you KNOW you have lied to push, as long as you offer a money-back
> guarantee? Sorry, I can't agree with that.
YOu and Bill Roberts must have gone to the same reading comprehension class. I said,
when there exists a money back guarantee, there should be no argument in regards to
LOSING MONEY!
Having an argument in regards to being lied to and manipulated is another story
altogether
>
>
> Because companies ultimately know that only a small percentage (maybe
> 40% if that) will bother to return the stuff. Compound this with the
> general hassle (yes, this is simply laziness on the part of the consumer
> but the companies are banking on it) of doing so, paying shipping both
> ways, calling to get a return validation number, etc and it's a copout
> to say that it's ok to sell shitty products just because you offer the guarantee.
>
True that this is an effective marketing scheme but it does not make the guy a
dumbass for not getting his money back
> Case in point, the guys selling this bs thigh-reducing cream, insist
> that you have to follow this vastly complicated set of guidelines (rub
> it on, wait 3.5', do this, do that, do the other). If you don't follow
> it to the letter, they won't refund your money.
>
This is not the same thing as an UNCONDITIONAL money back guarantee. (Oh my god, am
I actually defending EAS and Biotest?)
> I vaguely recall folks getting a major run-around hassle a few years
> back when they tried to cancel their '100% guaranteed money back
> guarantee' lifetime Muscle Media subscription as well. I don't know if
> test.net pulls this or not.
MM2K would cancel the subscription, and stop charging, but keep sending the
magazine. I think I would have rather they keep charging and not send me the
magazine!
>
>
> Ultimately, if the company offered something that worked in the first
> place, such a guarantee wouldn't really be necessary would it?
>
Errrr...yeah I guess.
Patrick Arnold
Rob wrote:
Is that like a Tom Woo no money down thing?
YEAH! USA, rand of opp-ahhh-too-itt--eee!!
Patrick Arnold
afriKan wrote:
> asherw...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > If it doesn't raise T, what does it do besides fill up a capsule?
>
> What it has been proven to do is cause a condition known as geeldikkop,
> or blind staggers in sheep.
>
I get it. Patterson first fills the public with Tribex so they will
henceforth regularly blindly stagger to their wallets and order every new
supplement he comes out with.
> Bruce.
Robert Schuh
> Fact is, they both chose to sign on with Cribbs and his particular pack
> of thieves and they paid the consequences. They deserve no pity or
> special considerations, because they were too dumb/naive to know not to
> get involved with such types.
>
> Lyle
> Who doesn't work/get associated with anybody who he doesn't trust completely
>
> I can think of at least two businesses who would like me to be
> associated with what they are doing. But based on my opinion of the
> kinds of things they do, I make the conscious choice not to have my name
> associated in any way with them. Yeah, I could make a truckload of
> money (or at least keep myself in protein powder) if I choose to work
> with either of them. But I won't do it. That is my choice. Chris made
> his choice, and now he gets to deal with the consequences.
Who the fuck is Chris? :-)
--
Robert Schuh
"The Most Trolled Man On The Internet!"
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Robert Schuh
> What I understand least about this argument is how people can whine and
> say that Biotest and test.net suck and that they stole your money when
> you can get a full refund if the shit doesn't work.
> I mean, if you buy the stuff, and it doesn't work, send it back for a
> full refund, and file it under "experience", you know?
> the real morons in this argument are those who buy a product from a
> company who offers a 100% money back guarantee, try it, find that it
> does nothing for them, but DON'T send it back!
> Take me for example. A few years back, I bought some EAS CLA, protein,
> and BetaGen, found that they were garbage, and sent them back for a
> full refund. Yeah, it took some effort on my part, but in the end, I
> lost nothing! I didn't feel taken advantage of or anything, because my
> wallet was just as fat as before I bought the shit.
> Yeah it's unethical that test.net is taking advantage of clueless
> newbies to bodybuilding, but it's the newbies who are the morons if
> they choose not to return a product that doesn't work. I mean, you
> might as well be throwing dollar bills into the garbage. It's like
> throwing away a winning lottery ticket. And if you find that Biotest
> stuff works for you, then keep it.
> anyhow, if I haven't made my point by now, I don't know what else I can
> say.
> IMHO, it's unbelievable how stupid the average human being is.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
That is wonderful. Now tell us why you can't use your real name to say
this?
afriKan
asherw...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> If it doesn't raise T, what does it do besides fill up a capsule?
What it has been proven to do is cause a condition known as geeldikkop,
or blind staggers in sheep.
Bruce.
domi...@my-deja.com
> > > What I understand least about this argument is how people can
whine and
> > > say that Biotest and test.net suck and that they stole your money
when
> > > you can get a full refund if the shit doesn't work.
> >
has a
> > money back guarantee. Maybe you lose a little trust and a little
time and
> > a little faith but there should be no money argument.
>
> So you're saying that it's ok to sell stuff that you KNOW is crap,
that
> you KNOW you have lied to push, as long as you offer a money-back
> guarantee? Sorry, I can't agree with that.
Now Lyle, please don't go putting words in my mouth. I did not say
that (although I suppose it was an indirect conclusion you could
draw). I'm not supporting, nor deriding test.net. My original letter
was just claiming that people shouldn't bitch about having
been "robbed" or shit when they say that a product was garbage, and
then simply threw it in the garbage, when they COULD'VE gotten their
money back. And as far as the anonymity thing goes, my name is Mark
Daniels. I'm just a guy who likes to lift.
>
> Because companies ultimately know that only a small percentage (maybe
> 40% if that) will bother to return the stuff. Compound this with the
> general hassle (yes, this is simply laziness on the part of the
consumer
> but the companies are banking on it) of doing so, paying shipping both
> ways, calling to get a return validation number, etc and it's a copout
> to say that it's ok to sell shitty products just because you offer
the guarantee.
>
> Case in point, the guys selling this bs thigh-reducing cream, insist
> that you have to follow this vastly complicated set of guidelines (rub
> it on, wait 3.5', do this, do that, do the other). If you don't follow
> it to the letter, they won't refund your money.
>
> I vaguely recall folks getting a major run-around hassle a few years
> back when they tried to cancel their '100% guaranteed money back
> guarantee' lifetime Muscle Media subscription as well. I don't know if
> test.net pulls this or not.
>
> Ultimately, if the company offered something that worked in the first
> place, such a guarantee wouldn't really be necessary would it?
>
> Lyle
asherw...@my-deja.com
> > If it doesn't raise T, what does it do besides fill up a capsule?
> >
>
> elucidated
usually take effect shortly after ingestion, but Tribex does not. Why
would a CNS stimulant, regardless of mode of action, take 1-2 weeks
to "build-up" before you see an effect?!
I always thought Tribex or Tribulus worked to jack up LH production.-------------
Alex Sherwood
Patrick Arnold
asherw...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <38D69681...@ix.netcom.com>,
> > > If it doesn't raise T, what does it do besides fill up a capsule?
> > >
> >
> > It may have unique CNS stimulating properties that have yet not been
> > elucidated
> Is this is true, then the what are mechanisms of action? CNS stimulants
> usually take effect shortly after ingestion, but Tribex does not. Why
> would a CNS stimulant, regardless of mode of action, take 1-2 weeks
> to "build-up" before you see an effect?!
>
It is possible that the active components have long half lives and an
active steady state level takes time to acheive. There are possible
neuroexcitory compounds in the stuff that may interact with NMDA receptors
or something like that