Hip Flexors
iain
thing. Why? Or is it just a girly thing?
iain
"that filthy effigy of fraud"
Kevin
Why would you want to workout your hip flexors?
Give me one benefit of strengthening hip flexors?
Girly thing????
Kev.
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Mistress Krista
> thing. Why? Or is it just a girly thing?
>
People are deluded into thinking that "isolating" the abs is desirable in
all cases. Sure, you don't want to work your hip flexors (I assume you mean
psoas) if you're trying to get at your abs and wind up only holding your abs
in isometric contraction (but then again, if your only goal is to do that
movement, then no big whoop). However, strong hip flexors are important for
any activity which draws the knee up towards the body, or (duh) flexes the
hip. Since hip flexion is involved in lots of preparatory movements for
running and jumping, it would seem sensible to work it.
Krista
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Scott D.
<mistres...@home.com.removethis> wrote:
>> I keep getting the vibe around here that working out hip-flexors is a bad
>> thing. Why? Or is it just a girly thing?
>
>People are deluded into thinking that "isolating" the abs is desirable in
>all cases. Sure, you don't want to work your hip flexors (I assume you mean
>psoas) if you're trying to get at your abs and wind up only holding your abs
>in isometric contraction (but then again, if your only goal is to do that
>movement, then no big whoop). However, strong hip flexors are important for
>any activity which draws the knee up towards the body, or (duh) flexes the
>hip. Since hip flexion is involved in lots of preparatory movements for
>running and jumping, it would seem sensible to work it.
>Krista
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gps
Thank you!
ps
Cool Moe
what work to bring your knee up when sprinting/running world class
sprinters all work them...im not saying they use that machine but they
do work them. not just by doing squats either. doing chute runs while
in perfect form works your lower abs and flexors its killer anyways im
done trying to be smart!
John Carlo
strong hip flexors
Kevin
The hip flexors (psoas) are not even used in these exercises!
Kev.
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Kevin
Yes they "work" to bring your knee up in the running action.
Sorry, they DON'T work when doing squats.
They are the antagonist in the squat, the glutes being the targeted
(agonist) muscle.
The running action requires good flexibility in the psoas and strength in
the gluteals.
How many runners "pull" their hamstrings because they don't / can't fire the
glutes?
The reason I asked "why" would you want to work them, is because I believe
the hip flexors are predominantly strong (and tight) in most people and the
cause of restricted, correct biomechanical hip movement in the running and
walking action.
I'm sorry, but you'll have to help me with the "chute runs" terminology.
What are they and what perfect form is required.
Thanks Cool Moe.
Kev.
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Mistress Krista
if muscles are not prime movers they are often still involved as
stabilizers. Additionally, there are something like 6-7 muscles which flex
the hip.
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Kevin
rectus abdominus, calves, quadriceps, hamstrings, erector spinae, etc. The
list could go on.
John said: "big squats and deadlifts can not be done without strong hip
flexors"
I was inferring that they do not play a major role the exercises mentioned.
They are not contracting in the 'concentric phase' to flex the hip!
They're going along for the ride as the other "6-7 muscles" you mentioned.
Cheers,
Kev'
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John Carlo
you would know . do heavy squats and the next morning when you go to
put your pants on, you will feel how hard it is to pick your leg up.
that my man is the ole mighty hip flexor
Bob Mann
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>Thank for your "politeness" cool Moe.
>Yes they "work" to bring your knee up in the running action.
>Sorry, they DON'T work when doing squats.
>They are the antagonist in the squat, the glutes being the targeted
>(agonist) muscle.
Antagonist muscles work hard during maximum lifts.
Ever do a max bench and find that the biceps hurt? I have.
Biceps tendonitis is a common side effect of doing heavy benching.
Similarly, you need strong hip flexors to do heavy squats and
deadlifts. logic tells you that they don't work hard but logic is
rong.
>
>The running action requires good flexibility in the psoas and strength in
>the gluteals.
>How many runners "pull" their hamstrings because they don't / can't fire the
>glutes?
They usually pull the hamstrings because they haven't strengthened
them enough and haven't worked on keeping them stretched.
All of the muscles from the hip to the feet are involved in sprinting.
>
>The reason I asked "why" would you want to work them, is because I believe
>the hip flexors are predominantly strong (and tight) in most people and the
>cause of restricted, correct biomechanical hip movement in the running and
>walking action.
Too many people have been taght to isolate the abs and have failed to
work the hip flexors. In a lot of people they are both weak and tight.
They end up pulling a flexor when they try to do a max squat or
deadlift.
>
>I'm sorry, but you'll have to help me with the "chute runs" terminology.
>What are they and what perfect form is required.
Chute runs are sprints with a parachute for resistance.
Flo Jo had huge hip flexors. They were visible at the tops of her
quads.
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Mistress Krista
> Ok, they are "involved" as stabilisers, so are the transverse abdominus,
> rectus abdominus, calves, quadriceps, hamstrings, erector spinae, etc. The
> list could go on.
Right, and improving the strength of these, esp. rectus abdominis, erector
spinae, and obliques, also tends to improve your squat.
>
> John said: "big squats and deadlifts can not be done without strong hip
> flexors"
> I was inferring that they do not play a major role the exercises
mentioned.
> They are not contracting in the 'concentric phase' to flex the hip!
> They're going along for the ride as the other "6-7 muscles" you mentioned.
The other 6-7 muscles (actually 7) involved in hip flexion:
iliopsoas
sartorius
rectus femoris
tensor fasciae latae
pectineus
hip adductor longis and brevis
Pretty sure we wouldn't have all these if they were useless. Just because
something is performing a stabilizing function does not mean it is "along
for the ride". Stabilization is a very dynamic process which involves a lot
of "interest" from the muscles doing it. They have to respond just as much
as prime movers to minute changes in position, so that they can correct the
movement accordingly. Psoas are also involved in spinal rotation, for
example, and in this case would be both working to control the hip flexion
as well as prevent the spine from twisting under loading. If you don't
think stabilizing muscles do much, try standing while holding a bar overhead
in a snatch grip, and have someone gently unbalance you. You will feel your
entire torso working to prevent you from tipping.
Bryce
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Top Sirloin
<mistres...@home.com.removethis> wrote:
>Right, and improving the strength of these, esp. rectus abdominis, erector
>spinae, and obliques, also tends to improve your squat.
So should I toss in some quick vertical leg raises and some other
supporting exercises on squat day?
All of my cardio consists of max effort 100m intervals so I figured I
was getting plenty of hip flexor work.
-Scott Johnson
I like meat.
gps
>
> Antagonists are Extremely important in the squat.
>
> As you go down, so shall you come up. anyone who squats heavy knows this.
How do you go down, Bryce?
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Bryce
You go down as tight as you can (hip flexors also) and "boing" the last two
or three inches. I tense up everything to the point of pain before I even
unlock my hips to go down. The antagonists are important because they are
what you use to keep yourself "in line", "in the groove", "on track".
You CAN"T separate the abs obliques and hip flexors and it is a mistake to
think you can. Even if you could it wouldn't be too productive to do so,
they work as a chain just like the Glute-ham-lumbar complex. If there is
enough tension in one of them, they all fire! If you have so little tension
that only one of them is working, you are wasting your time.
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> Flo Jo had huge hip flexors. They were visible at the tops of her
> quads.
Bruce Lee also had very pronounced hip flexors (as is to be expected).
-Adam
gps
>
> I'm assuming this is not a "going down" joke?
You must not know me very well.
> You go down as tight as you can (hip flexors also) and "boing" the last two
> or three inches. I tense up everything to the point of pain before I even
> unlock my hips to go down. The antagonists are important because they are
> what you use to keep yourself "in line", "in the groove", "on track".
Sounds good.
> You CAN"T separate the abs obliques and hip flexors and it is a mistake to
> think you can. Even if you could it wouldn't be too productive to do so,
> they work as a chain just like the Glute-ham-lumbar complex. If there is
> enough tension in one of them, they all fire! If you have so little tension
> that only one of them is working, you are wasting your time.
Yup.
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You don't really need specific hip flexor work. They're important but they
get plenty of work from regular compound movements. In most people hip
flexors are relatively strong, just because of habitual movement patterns,
and it's very unlikely that they'd be the weak link in your squat. If I was
training a runner or sprinter, I might throw in a little extra stuff.
Bob Tokyo
"Mistress Krista" <mistres...@home.com.removethis> wrote in message
> You don't really need specific hip flexor work. They're important but
they
> get plenty of work from regular compound movements. In most people hip
> flexors are relatively strong, just because of habitual movement patterns,
> and it's very unlikely that they'd be the weak link in your squat. If I
was
> training a runner or sprinter, I might throw in a little extra stuff.
>
complete isolation from every other muscle, on a separate piece of
equipment. Preferably something endorsed by a "has been" celebrity. I'm
working right now on a machine for training each individual muscle fiber in
isolation, using a series of very fine needles and thin chains. I'd like to
get Courtney Love to do the infomercial.
Bryce
Courtney?? ...really. I'm her biggest fan and I'm not being sarcastic.
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Bryce
If you are doing any abdominal work and squatting or pulling then you can
pretty much leave these things to themselves.
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> You don't really need specific hip flexor work. They're important but
Bob Tokyo
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> Courtney?? ...really. I'm her biggest fan and I'm not being sarcastic.
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pain, and some very sharp lyrics. Now that she's no longer quite as angry
and cynical, she's not nearly as interesting. ;-)
Kevin
I'd hate to post here asking for help for a headache. I'd finish up with a
heart transplant.
Some people just want to make mountains out of molehills.
Let's take a few steps back here folks.
If you want to 'target' the hip flexors, then you need to do knee raises
(Roman Chair) or the more difficult hanging straight leg raise. These are
exercises in which psoas acts as the prime mover.
AND, Mistress Krista, I never said that "stabilising muscles don't do much."
or "they were useless"
Talk about trying to read between the lines!
"going along for the ride" was my interpretation of the synergists and
fixators in an exercise. Not technically correct though, sorry 'bout that!
The original post from Iain was:
"I keep getting the vibe around here that working out hip-flexors is a bad
thing. Why? Or is it just a girly thing?"
"Give me one benefit of 'purposefully' strengthening hip flexors?
Some of you have, and consider your opinions received, though not
necessarily fully agreed. Everyone's entitled to their opinion eh?
I still say squats and dead lifts are not influenced by the hip flexors.
They do not concentrically or eccentrically contract against resistance in
these exercises. And if they are injured, it's because of poor form.
Ciao amigos.
Kev.
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Kevin
Well put. (Maybe I have a language problem from down here.)
Kevin.
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John Carlo
Top Sirloin
<mistres...@home.com.removethis> wrote:
>You don't really need specific hip flexor work. They're important but they
>get plenty of work from regular compound movements. In most people hip
>flexors are relatively strong, just because of habitual movement patterns,
>and it's very unlikely that they'd be the weak link in your squat. If I was
>training a runner or sprinter, I might throw in a little extra stuff.
That's what I wanted to hear. Thanks!
-Scott Johnson
Top Sirloin
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>"Mistress Krista" <mistres...@home.com.removethis> wrote in message
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>> You don't really need specific hip flexor work. They're important but
>they
>> get plenty of work from regular compound movements. In most people hip
>> flexors are relatively strong, just because of habitual movement patterns,
>> and it's very unlikely that they'd be the weak link in your squat. If I
>was
>> training a runner or sprinter, I might throw in a little extra stuff.
>>
>Every muscle has to be trained individually, for three sets of ten, in
>complete isolation from every other muscle, on a separate piece of
>equipment.
Hey now, you're not dogging on me are you Bob? :-)
-Scott Johnson
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> "Top Sirloin" <sjoh...@kcnet.com.> wrote in message
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> > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 16:34:05 GMT, "Mistress Krista"
> > <mistres...@home.com.removethis> wrote:
> >
> > >Right, and improving the strength of these, esp. rectus abdominis,
> erector
> > >spinae, and obliques, also tends to improve your squat.
> >
> > So should I toss in some quick vertical leg raises and some other
> > supporting exercises on squat day?
> >
> > All of my cardio consists of max effort 100m intervals so I figured I
> > was getting plenty of hip flexor work.
> >
>
> You don't really need specific hip flexor work. They're important but they
> get plenty of work from regular compound movements.
Although rare, it is possible for some people to have weak hip flexors
(usually associated with a flat back). Specific isolation work may be
indicated in that (relatively rare) case.
Lyle
Lyle McDonald
> Perhaps I should have responded with:
> "Give me one benefit of 'purposefully' strengthening hip flexors?
> Some of you have, and consider your opinions received, though not
> necessarily fully agreed. Everyone's entitled to their opinion eh?
> I still say squats and dead lifts are not influenced by the hip flexors.
You can be wrong just like others can be wrong.
YOu should study some biomechanics and anatomy as well.
Lyle
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It's not a stabiliser. It's a massive antagonist. In the down phase of squat
and deadlift, if it's heavy, you can be almost stationary. The hamstrings
and hip flexors control this. They get very worked by this, and get stronger
and maybe even sore. They also may get tight from all this. In order to
alleviate this tightness, you may chose to do better specific flexor drills,
glute medius and other drills and lunges in other planes, stretches,
massages, or leaving them alone, or combinations of all. For example, nearly
all stretches make me tighter and more prone to injury. The hip flexor seems
to be an exception, but that's just me. Also, I respond poorly to
compression and get tighter. Only very gentle myofascial release helps
generally. So anyway, my solution to tight hip flexors at the moment is
brief (10-20 seconds) stretches, rest, and activating other muscles like the
glute medius and maximus via multi directional lunges, bridges, and one
legged squats of many kinds. But anyway - a strong hip flexor and hamstring
is massively needed when, say you are trying to control about 80 - 200kg
(including your upper body weight) going downwards.
Reviving a thread from 2001?
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- an eccentric contraction and concentric contraction both produce strength in different ways, and are both very effective. So, the hip flexors really work here - they just don't get any eccentric work, and get concentric work that is assisted by gravity - but they are still doing some major tensing and control - unless you specifically mentally isolate the quads on the way down !
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thriving newsgroup. Mistress Krista was a regular contributor during that
period.
Existential Angst
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Do you have access to any animated anatomy sites, like Visible Body? These
can help resolve such issues.
Mebbe that's what's needed for mfw, to repost all the old good threads!!
Schuh excepted, of course -- but then those weren't "good" threads, those
were crazy threads. lol
Andreij or somesuch was an excellent poster back then, very up on these
kinds of details.
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Oh yeah, and pre-Crossfit....
Always have to deal with the ab-bullshit (was fat Tony Little at work back
then, with his bullshit Ab Isolator??), but some things will never ever go
away.
Is it true? Pavel stopped using kettlebells?? Mebbe he ran out of bandaids
for his hands/wrists??
What will the cult-bells do?? LOL
And speaking of the deluded, I guess these dopey frigging marathoners are
gonna haveta think twice now.....
The only thing dopey-er than running a marathon (or playing golf, for that
matter), is WATCHING it.... I guess these dopey spectators are thinking
twice, as well.
Not over whether what they are doing is dopey, of course, god forbid.
On hip flexors:
First, I wonder if everyone even knows or agrees what the hip flexors are,
or what they do.
The hip flexors are to the glutes as what the bicep is to the tricep.
Talking about hip flexors when trying to do a squat is like talking about
the biceps when trying to do a tricep extension -- not a real issue.
And, who has tight hip flexors?? If they were truly tight, it would hurt to
stand, walk. It's like, Who has tight biceps??
Stretching -- another dopey over-emphasized activity.
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