muscle gain and weight loss - why is it not possible
scott_...@johnlewis.co.uk
muslce gain)...
1. If I eat a lot of protein this helps build muscle (as long as I lift
as well).
2. Protein AFAIK does not really turn to fat
3. So if I do cardio at a low pace, ie the fat burning zone, where a
high percenatge of weight loss is fat and not muscle (although overall
I know the fat loss is still smaller than if doing really hard cardio
work - I think this is pretty much accepted) and take protein and lift,
wont I gain muscle and lose fat, or at least manage to keep my fat as
it is.
4. I understand carbs are required as well to fuel muscles and these
carbs if not used can turn to fat, but surely if I eat enough to fuel
my muscles and burn the rest off with cardio (in the fat loss zone)
there wont be any left to turn to fat.
Also people say to eat loads to gain muscle, but dont I just need to
eat a lot of protein and enough carbs to fuel my muscles during a
workout. I cant see eating a lot of fat will help gain muscle.
Im not saying the above is correct (and I know it isnt as if it was
then it'd make life a lot easier) but I cant understand why it isnt
correct.
I hope I can understand it a bit better once I have read your comments.
Regards,
Scott
Steve Freides
news:1126700239.4...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I know this has been done to death before but... (weight loss and
> muslce gain)...
-snip-
One of my favorite Pavel-isms is "Understanding is just a delaying
tactic." (He doesn't claim authorship of this gem, just cites it as a
Russian-ism.)
> 1. If I eat a lot of protein this helps build muscle (as long as I
> lift
> as well).
Maybe.
> 2. Protein AFAIK does not really turn to fat
Right.
> 3. So if I do cardio at a low pace, ie the fat burning zone, where a
> high percenatge of weight loss is fat and not muscle (although overall
> I know the fat loss is still smaller than if doing really hard cardio
> work - I think this is pretty much accepted) and take protein and
> lift,
> wont I gain muscle and lose fat, or at least manage to keep my fat as
> it is.
Maybe but probably not. There are a lot of assumptions in the above
paragraph which aren't necessarily true for most people most of the
time - the whole "fat burning zone" is basically a myth - how it works
is more complicated than simply finding a target heart rate and not
worrying about anything else.
> 4. I understand carbs are required as well to fuel muscles and these
> carbs if not used can turn to fat, but surely if I eat enough to fuel
> my muscles and burn the rest off with cardio (in the fat loss zone)
> there wont be any left to turn to fat.
What causes your body to store fat and what it uses for fuel when
exercising are two different, albeit related, questions.
> Also people say to eat loads to gain muscle, but dont I just need to
> eat a lot of protein and enough carbs to fuel my muscles during a
> workout. I cant see eating a lot of fat will help gain muscle.
That's why you're not writing diet and exercise books. :)
> Im not saying the above is correct (and I know it isnt as if it was
> then it'd make life a lot easier) but I cant understand why it isnt
> correct.
>
> I hope I can understand it a bit better once I have read your
> comments.
Post your age, height, weight, sex, current eating and exercise habits,
along with where you'd like to go in terms of body composition,
strength, etc., and ask for advice about what to do next. Understanding
is just a delaying tactic - formulate a plan and follow it if you wish
to improve.
> Regards,
> Scott
>
OmManiPadmeOmelet
scott_...@johnlewis.co.uk wrote:
Well, from what I can feel in my shoulders, arms and quads, I'm losing
fat and gaining muscle... ;-) It's difficult and all a matter of
balance, and patience!
Granted, it's not efficient, but slow and sure wins the race.
Cheers!
--
Om.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson
Dally
> I know this has been done to death before but... (weight loss and
> muslce gain)...
>
> 1. If I eat a lot of protein this helps build muscle (as long as I lift
> as well).
>
> 2. Protein AFAIK does not really turn to fat
Fat is created when you eat excess calories. The excess calories can
also go to restore glycogen reserves, to repair damaged muscle fiber,
etc. Eating lots and needling lots of calories to fuel/repair exercise
means you're less likely to store the excess calories as fat, but there
really isn't any way that you can claim you won't add to your fat stores
by only eating protein if you eat too much protein for your calorie
requirements.
> 3. So if I do cardio at a low pace, ie the fat burning zone, where a
> high percenatge of weight loss is fat and not muscle (although overall
> I know the fat loss is still smaller than if doing really hard cardio
> work - I think this is pretty much accepted) and take protein and lift,
> won't I gain muscle and lose fat, or at least manage to keep my fat as
> it is.
If you eat less calories than you burn you will lose weight. To
partition the weight loss more towards fat and less towards LBM you
should lift weights. Personally, I think the long-slow-cardio is
bullshit for fat loss. All it does is teach me that I may need to dip
into those fat stores so hold onto them for the future. I prefer high
intensity interval training that teaches me how to get fuel rapidly into
my muscles and random moments. Yes, it comes more from glycogen
reserves, but then calories are burned restoring the glycogen reserves,
so who cares when the exact calories are burned? I think it's
metabolically better to do high intensity. I credit it with helping
cure my Syndrome X a few years ago.
> 4. I understand carbs are required as well to fuel muscles and these
> carbs if not used can turn to fat, but surely if I eat enough to fuel
> my muscles and burn the rest off with cardio (in the fat loss zone)
> there wont be any left to turn to fat.
You mean if your exercise burns more calories than the calories you
consumed you won't gain fat? I'd agree with that. But I think you're
making Carbs have magical powers they don't have. In my (untutored)
opinion you need carbs for fiber and phytonutrients. You can fuel most
activities just fine without carbs, but your bowels won't thank you for
it and you need to get anti-oxidants and oxylates and all sorts of
micronutrients from fruits & vegetables so you don't get cancer and your
eyes won't rot, etc. etc.
> Also people say to eat loads to gain muscle, but dont I just need to
> eat a lot of protein and enough carbs to fuel my muscles during a
> workout. I cant see eating a lot of fat will help gain muscle.
Fat does two things. It makes you sated on fewer calories, and it
provides some essential fatty acids that your body needs to operate
properly. It's also pretty hard to get lots of protein without getting
fats. Aim to get most of your fats from seeds or nuts or fish oils,
rather than saturated fats or trans-fatty acids like shortening.
> Im not saying the above is correct (and I know it isnt as if it was
> then it'd make life a lot easier) but I cant understand why it isnt
> correct.
You're not looking at your body holistically. You're also missing the
basic equation of catabolic and anabolic diets: if you're eating fewer
calories than you're burning then you will lose weight. You can aim to
preserve LBM, but you can't expect to get big muscles while burning fat.
And conversely, you can't just gain muscle when you're bulking, you
also gain fat. After the newbie phase you have to swing between cutting
and bulking.
Newbies get a grace period where they get to build muscles while losing
fat for maybe six months or so. These newbie gains are a gift from the
Gods and not to be squandered or taken for granted. You get them once.
> I hope I can understand it a bit better once I have read your comments.
Don't count on it. We're all a bunch of fools.
Have you read Mistress Krista's stuff on Eating 101? Find her site at
http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html
Dally
Hobbes
DZ <81...@1065021122.3050022100.16277.23617.12232> wrote:
> Dally <Da...@myself.com> wrote:
> > scott_...@johnlewis.co.uk wrote:
> [ ... ]
> > if you're eating fewer calories than you're burning then you will
> > lose weight. You can aim to preserve LBM, but you can't expect to
> > get big muscles while burning fat. And conversely, you can't just
> > gain muscle when you're bulking, you also gain fat. After the
> > newbie phase you have to swing between cutting and bulking.
>
> I've never done any bulking. I progressed from very scrawny (believe
> me on this) to reasonably muscular (home.nc.rr.com/netsink) always
> having very low body fat. My hypothesis is that for at least some
> segment of population "bulking" is simply an excuse to pig out and so
> they readily buy any arguments that support it.
Another sizable segment of the male population is pretty good at lying
to themselves about the shape they are in. I see a lot of people
estimate themselves as being 'around 10%' bodyfat where there is no
discernable defintion at all in the abs or anywhere else. I normally
figure the actual number is almost double.
In western culture, anyhow, in-shape females tend to think they are
fatter than they really are and males tend to think they are leaner than
they really are.
Plus the pigging out thing...
I'm another person who has never bulked up.
--
Keith
John Black
says...
> > 1. If I eat a lot of protein this helps build muscle (as long as I
> > lift
> > as well).
>
> Maybe.
>
> > 2. Protein AFAIK does not really turn to fat
>
> Right.
Wrong.
John Black
Neil Gendzwill
> In article <21...@978224014.22969465.18529.19980.23735>,
> DZ <81...@1065021122.3050022100.16277.23617.12232> wrote:
>
>
>>Dally <Da...@myself.com> wrote:
>>
>>>scott_...@johnlewis.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>[ ... ]
>>
>>me on this) to reasonably muscular (home.nc.rr.com/netsink) always
>>having very low body fat. My hypothesis is that for at least some
>>segment of population "bulking" is simply an excuse to pig out and so
>>they readily buy any arguments that support it.
>
>
> Another sizable segment of the male population is pretty good at lying
> to themselves about the shape they are in. I see a lot of people
> estimate themselves as being 'around 10%' bodyfat where there is no
> discernable defintion at all in the abs or anywhere else. I normally
> figure the actual number is almost double.
I know that I gained muscle while losing weight overall, but it wasn't a
big gain or loss either way. I went from 205 to 187 at 6' tall and
bounced back to around 192 where I am now. But due to the muscle gain
people thought I lost a lot more weight. I don't think my bodyfat has
ever been much below 15%. Never had it measured but it sure as hell
wasn't anywhere near 10.
Neil
Curt James
> I know this has been done to death before
> but... (weight loss and
SNIP
You are your own science project. Please follow the instructions/ideas
you've posted (and which I've snipped) and report back with your
results. Thanks!
Eat, sleep, train, repeat.
--
Curt
JC Der Koenig
"Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126748470.7...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> scott_...@johnlewis.co.uk wrote:
>
>
> Eat, sleep, train, repeat.
>
How well did that work out for you?
Curt James
re Eat, sleep, train, repeat.
> How well did that work out for you?
Damn fine. :-)
My bodyweight went from 150 lbs. to 180 lbs. Benching, what, sixty
pounds (one of those plastic/concrete Sears sets) to 170 for a triple
(yes, I'm a giant!), 250 lbs. ass-to-the-grass squat for a double, and
a 365 lbs. deadlift. Clean and push press of 150 lbs. As well as
whistles from the ladies and a girlfriend who would often exclaim "You
have the cutest butt!"
I'll never be Mr. Podunk much less Olympia and, with my eight-foot long
arms, I suspect I'll never bench double bodyweight, but all in all I'd
say /weighttraining bin berry berry good to me/.
And you?
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
JC Der Koenig
> JC Der Koenig wrote:
>
> re Eat, sleep, train, repeat.
>
>> How well did that work out for you?
>
> Damn fine. :-)
>
> My bodyweight went from 150 lbs. to 180 lbs.
Are you sure?
Curt James
> "Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote
> > My bodyweight went from 150 lbs. to 180 lbs.
>
> Are you sure?
JC, are you stalking me or hitting on me. Because that whole
gaycurt.com thing is TBR's schtick. It's fiction. I like women, okay?
And, yes, I'm sure. But /went/ is the key word there. I weigh 170 now
as I'm no longer force feeding nor hitting the weights with my
20-something self's enthusiasm.
Please, please, no more questions. Wait for the book. How would you
like it autographed?
/To my pal, JC. Keep lifting!/
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
The Bill Rodgers
wrote:
>You are your own science project
A "gay pet rock" calling someone else a science preoject? You're bald,
middle-aged, a school teacher, ride motorcycles? You could NOT be more
gay unless you still lived with your mommy, which I suspect you are,
but aren't about to admit it.
www.gaycurtjames.org
TBR
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
JC Der Koenig
> JC Der Koenig wrote:
>> "Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> > My bodyweight went from 150 lbs. to 180 lbs.
>>
>> Are you sure?
>
>
Uh huh.
Curt James
> You're bald,
I CUT MY HAIR THIS WAY! <g>
Uh, okay, I'm bald but that beats the hell out of bald/ing/. I always
hated that expression. "Oh, he's balding." Shaving what's left has
fixed that, though. I AM *BALD!* I even have a forum called iam.bald
(which, yeah, has had several hot bald *chics* participate).
> middle-aged,
Grandparents passed on at 60, 87, 90 and 90. Take 327/4 = 81.75/2 =
40.875 as my *Midpoint to Death!*, so at age 43 I'm /beyond/
middle-aged, right?
> a school teacher,
Yup. Art as the subject, too. And it's the best job I've ever had.
> ride motorcycles?
http://www.geocities.com/curt_james/sportster.html
Absolutely.
> You could NOT be more gay unless you still
> lived with your mommy, which I suspect you are,
> but aren't about to admit it.
I'm living with ~*YOUR*~ mommy. She hasn't called? Hnh. She's been
busy. ;-D
Keep telling yourself that, but I think you're wasting your time
hitting on me. Still, I won't hold it against you. People are what they
are.
> TBR
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
> Uh huh.
Is that Uh huh as in concise and complete agreement? Uh huh as in
/Duuuuuh, information overload/? Or Uh huh as in sarcastic disbelief.
Because if it's the latter then I really gotta applaud your ferocious
wit. You've cut me to the quick with your amazing comeback. I won't
cross YOUR path again! Mercy.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
The Bill Rodgers
<gaycur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>The greatest frikin' guy alive wrote:
>
>> You're bald,
>
>I CUT MY HAIR THIS WAY! <g>
>
Um yeah, sure...
>Uh, okay, I'm bald but that beats the hell out of bald/ing/. I always
>hated that expression. "Oh, he's balding." Shaving what's left has
>fixed that, though. I AM *BALD!* I even have a forum called iam.bald
>(which, yeah, has had several hot bald *chics* participate).
>
No stupid, you're still bald.
>Grandparents passed on at 60, 87, 90 and 90. Take 327/4 = 81.75/2 =
>40.875 as my *Midpoint to Death!*, so at age 43 I'm /beyond/
>middle-aged, right?
>
Double loser.
>> a school teacher,
>
>Yup. Art as the subject, too. And it's the best job I've ever had.
>
Can it get worse???
>> ride motorcycles?
>
>http://www.geocities.com/curtgay_james/sportster.html
>
>Absolutely.
>
Absolutely.
>I'm living with ~*YOUR*~ mommy. She hasn't called? Hnh. She's been
>busy. ;-D
>
Um no, YOU'VE been busy, she's ben dead for years, and you're dry
humping a corpse. You're sick too.
s
>> www.gaycurtjames.buttburglar.org
Curt James
> she's been dead for years
> TBR
That's the story you were told. It's time you knew the truth. Her
cleverly staged /death/ was arranged to help her escape from your
annoying and socially-inhibiting presence in her life. Didn't you
wonder why you weren't the beneficiary on her life insurance policy?
Can't blame her for this criminal act, however. You just have no
concept of the hell her life was with YOU around.
I'm sure she forgives you, but I'm not surprised that she would wish no
actual contact with you.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
The Bill Rodgers
<gaycur...@buttburglar.com> wrote:
>
>
>That's the story you were told. It's time you knew the truth. Her
>cleverly staged /death/ was arranged to help her escape from your
>annoying and socially-inhibiting presence in her life. Didn't you
>wonder why you weren't the beneficiary on her life insurance policy?
>
Well then I guess when I was holding her hand as she died, it was all
fake too? Lets face it weasel, you got caught dry humping a corpse,
and now you are DESPERATELY trying to get out of it. No use, you are a
necropheliac, and now we all know it.
>Can't blame her for this criminal act, however. You just have no
>concept of the hell her life was with YOU around.
>
Well actually you are about to find out what life is like with me
around. You see your rooime 'mom' just contacted me from beyond, and
invited me and my wife, my 5 kids, three cats, and two dogs, to move
in with you guys, and live rent free on you! She said as a bonus I can
"hit dat thing" on some bald, gay school teacher guy whose letting us
live there. Butt I may have to stand in line, because he's a very big
slut.
>I'm sure she forgives you, but I'm not surprised that she would wish no
>actual contact with you.
I hear voices, they are hers, and they tell me to "KILL KILL KILL"
some gay guy whose imprisoned her rotting corpse, and is dry humping
her daily.
Curt James
> Well then I guess when I was holding her hand as
SNIP
heh
Did I touch a nerve? And it seems you CAN be creative. Just might have
to change your nickname from The Broken Record to something else.
Doubtful, but you never know.
> I hear voices
SNIP
I'm not surprised.
Curt James
> Well then I guess when I was holding her hand as
SNIP
heh
Did I touch a nerve? And it seems you CAN be creative. Just might have
to change your nickname from The Broken Record to something else.
Doubtful, but you never know.
> I hear voices
SNIP
I'm not surprised.
> TBR
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
The Bill Rodgers
wrote:
>Did I touch a nerve?
That was my weiner, not a nerve.
>And it seems you CAN be creative. Just might have
>to change your nickname from The Broken Record to something else.
>Doubtful, but you never know.
>
No.
>> I hear voices
>SNIP
>
>I'm not surprised.
>
They tell me to drive a long way, and kill gay, bald, stupid, art
teachers, who ride harleys.
Curt James
> <curt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Did I touch a nerve?
>
> That was my weiner, not a nerve.
As much as you comment on homosexuality I'd suspect it'd make you damn
happy for a man to touch your weiner. I can't oblige, however.
> >And it seems you CAN be creative.
>
> No.
Yeah, I realize that. I was just being polite.
> >> I hear voices
> >SNIP
> >
> >I'm not surprised.
>
> They tell me to drive a long way,
Go ~*WEST*~, young (well...) man (allegedly).
> and kill
Time? Don't you think you've killed enough of that precious commodity?
> gay,
Your favorite word, apparently. 's cool, though.
> bald,
http://www.geocities.com/curt_james/hair.html
> stupid,
That's a relative term, but I don't believe it applies to me too often.
I saw a banner at the local gas 'n go. MARLBOROS $39! *THERE*'s stupid
for ya.
> art teachers,
Art, music, and gym are the subjects most students enjoy most of all. I
wonder if children have even heard of your occupation? Are you a
fireman, a police officer, nurse, doctor, mailman? Uh, you do work,
don't you?
> who ride harleys.
:-) Harleys are hella fun. Motorcycles, in general, are just a great
source of adventure and - with the current gas prices - an economical
alternative to four wheels.
> gaycur...@gayboi.org
>
> TBR
What's your deal with homosexuals? You have issues. Oh, damn, I guess I
answered my own question.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Gollum
per week due to my metabolism and limited time to do cardio. I lost
40 lbs this year and decided Im ready to bulk up and add muscle...
Im really concerned that after 2-3 months of bulking and eating lots
of food that I will gain a lot of fat which will takes months or even
a year to get rid of. Therefore I am considering doing 1 or 2 weeks
of bulking at a time, followed by cutting. This way I will never get
too large like a linebacker.
1) Will my method work, or is it too inefficient? Do you have better
advice for me?
2) how will I know what percentage of my weight increase is muscle and
not fat during my bulking phase?
thanks!
my specs:
age: 33
weight: 164 lbs
height: 6 ft
The Bill Rodgers
wrote:
>As much as you comment on homosexuality I'd suspect it'd make you damn
>happy for a man to touch your weiner. I can't oblige, however.
>
Got one in each hand already? You sly dawg you...
>Yeah, I realize that. I was just being polite.
>
Most gay men are, they're afraid I'll kick their arse, like you.
>> >I'm not surprised.
>>
Most gay men are pretty thick-skinned.
>Go ~*WEST*~, young (well...) man (allegedly).
>
Which way is that?
>
>Time? Don't you think you've killed enough of that precious commodity?
>
>> gay,
>
>Your favorite word, apparently. 's cool, though.
>
Gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay etc etc
>> bald,
>
>http://www.geocities.com/curt_james/hair.html
>
HOLY S**T! Someone shaved Dallys ass, and taught her to walk
backwards???? I complained to the webmaster, that obscene pic needs to
removed.
>
>That's a relative term, but I don't believe it applies to me too often.
You've been wrong before, frequently, no all the f***ing time! So you
are wrong again.
>I saw a banner at the local gas 'n go. MARLBOROS $39! *THERE*'s stupid
>for ya.
>
I bet you were one of those "I'm quitting when they hit a buck a pack"
crowd, and years later you still got a pack of Malboros wrapped in the
sleeve of you T shirt, and are puffing two packs a day in your bedroom
with the shades drawn.
>
>Art, music, and gym >
It's no surprise you like Jim. Music TOO??? How the F more gay can you
be? And yet you subject yourself to open ridicule. Ah well, I guess
you're used to it after a lifetime of beatings and humiliation.
>are the subjects most students enjoy most of all. I
>wonder if children have even heard of your occupation? Are you a
>fireman, a police officer, nurse, doctor, mailman? Uh, you do work,
>don't you?
>
I'm an entrepenuer. A rich one.
>:-) Harleys are hella fun. Motorcycles, in general, are just a great
>source of adventure and - with the current gas prices - an economical
>alternative to four wheels.
>
Harleys are CRAP! They are the Fords of motorcycles. Made to be
repaired or tuned up every weekend. My Yamaha RD350 eats those
turdbuckets for breakfast.
>
>What's your deal with homosexuals? You have issues. Oh, damn, I guess I
>answered my own question.
Nothing pisses off straight men more, than homos. Perhaps this is why
you took such awful beatings (judging by your face and deformed body)
at the hands of bullys so often.
Dally
> It takes me about a month to lose 4 lbs...I can only lose at most 1 lb
> per week due to my metabolism and limited time to do cardio. I lost
> 40 lbs this year and decided Im ready to bulk up and add muscle...
>
> Im really concerned that after 2-3 months of bulking and eating lots
> of food that I will gain a lot of fat which will takes months or even
> a year to get rid of. Therefore I am considering doing 1 or 2 weeks
> of bulking at a time, followed by cutting. This way I will never get
> too large like a linebacker.
>
> 1) Will my method work, or is it too inefficient? Do you have better
> advice for me?
Try it. See how it works for you. Everyone is different. You were
going to eat for those two weeks anyway, just do an experiment on yourself.
> 2) how will I know what percentage of my weight increase is muscle and
> not fat during my bulking phase?
Well, you ought to be able to notice if you're packing on pounds of fat.
Your belt will be tighter, for example. I've heard good things about
slimline (?) calipers. A DEXA scan is a handy way to get body
composition. Personally, I use several measurements (with a cloth tape
measure) and a website calculator.
Google is your friend.
We are not.
Dally
Curt James
> Gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay etc etc
Have I asked what your wife thinks about your apparent obsession?
> I bet you were one of those "I'm quitting when
> they hit a buck a pack" crowd, and years later
SNIP
You'd lose that bet. I've never been a smoker. I've never bought a
carton and I'd NEVER spend next to forty bux on a carton of cigarettes.
> I'm an entrepenuer.
An entre what? Don't tell me, you own a Sylvan Learning Center
franchise!
> A rich one.
*And* you spelled /poor/ incorrectly, too.
Plus, here I've been saying you haven't a creative bone in yer bawdy.
Obviously, I'm wrong again!
> Harleys are CRAP! They are the Fords of
> motorcycles. Made to be repaired or tuned
> up every weekend.
Another example of your stunning creativity. When's the last time
you've seen a Harley or a Ford? I think you need to tune up your
fact-finding skills.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
The Bill Rodgers
wrote:
>Have I asked what your wife thinks about your apparent obsession?
>
She's gay.
>
>You'd lose that bet. I've never been a smoker. I've never bought a
>carton and I'd NEVER spend next to forty bux on a carton of cigarettes.
>
I heard you blew smoke rings with your butt lips, and I've been
promised "mpg proof", so bide your time until you're exposed.
>An entre what? Don't tell me, you own a Sylvan Learning Center
>franchise!
>
A rich guy who can hire someone to spell for him, if he deemed it a
requirement for posting to neandrethals (cave men like Fred
Flintstone, so you don't have to go look it up).
>
>*And* you spelled /poor/ incorrectly, too.
>
Your incompetence spilleth over from your classroom to usenet.
>Plus, here I've been saying you haven't a creative bone in yer bawdy.
>Obviously, I'm wrong again!
>
Yes.
>Another example of your stunning creativity. When's the last time
>you've seen a Harley or a Ford? I think you need to tune up your
>fact-finding skills.
AMF Harley Davidson BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!
The Bill Rodgers
<TheBill...@comcst.net> wrote:
>you haven't a creative bone in yer bawdy.
You think of bawdy everytime you think of me, don't you Gaycurt?
Gollum
>Google is your friend.
>
>We are not.
>
>Dally
I agree, nobody here does anything except fight and call each other
gay names...
Dally
>>Google is your friend.
>>
>>We are not.
>
> I agree, nobody here does anything except fight and call each other
> gay names...
That's not actually true. We've got a guy named The Broken Record who
fills the place with some sort of white noise in a constant mantra
revolving around anal sex. Consider him a sort of camaflage. There's
real info here. You were, in fact, answered.
Besides, google the question in the group. This topic has been done,
including in a separate current thread. Maybe that's why you aren't
getting people falling all over themselves to immediately offer assistance.
Dally
Curt James
What's a gay name? Because moonbat is unisex or maybe asexual is the
word.
Welcome to misc.fitness.weights, Gollum.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
> It takes me about a month to lose 4 lbs...
I can lose 4 lbs taking a decent dump. Or an hour on the treadmill.
That'll knock off four pounds of sweat.
> I can only lose at most 1 lb per week due
> to my metabolism and limited time to do
> cardio.
I've often read about food diaries, but have you done a time diary?
Budgeting your time must be somewhere near as important as budgeting
your food intake, doesn't it?
I don't do cardio daily although I'm sure my heart would benefit and my
blood pressure would thank me. Where does my time go? I can't believe
that it's impossible for me to fit at least twenty minutes of cardio of
some kind into each 24-hour period. Ridiculous.
The gym's hours aren't cooperating, but I'm also not cooperating with
regard to making a serious effort at daily fitness. What's YOUR story
so far as /limited time to do cardio/ goes? Do you have a legitimate
excuse or are you wasting time elsewhere that could be used for a
workout? I'm certain I could be better at time management.
I mean, just look at the time I spend replying to The Broken Record!
Wasteful. Pointless. /Sto0piT/. There's just no excuse.
> I lost 40 lbs this year
Congratulations.
SNIP
I cut your idea, but I recommend that you give it a solid effort for
six to eight weeks and report back with your results. MFW serves as an
archive of anecdotal yadayada. Contribute!
> Do you have better advice for me?
Perhaps not better, but have you visitied Dave Draper's Web site?
You may be interested in his book, Your Body Revival
<http://www.davedraper.com/your-body-revival.html>.
> my specs:
>
> age: 33
> weight: 164 lbs
> height: 6 ft
Those numbers really don't tell much. I'm about the same height and
weight, but things like shoulder width, wrist measurement, inseam, even
hat size, can make one person with those specs look completely
different from another person with those exact specs. Not a criticism
of your posting the info. Just an observation.
Best of luck with your exercise and fitness goals, Gol.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Dally
> Gollum wrote:
>
>>my specs:
>>
>>age: 33
>>weight: 164 lbs
>>height: 6 ft
>
>
> Those numbers really don't tell much. I'm about the same height and
> weight, but things like shoulder width, wrist measurement, inseam, even
> hat size, can make one person with those specs look completely
> different from another person with those exact specs. Not a criticism
> of your posting the info. Just an observation.
Are you implying that knowing your body composition might be helpful for
body recomposition?
Dally
Mr-Natural-Health
OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> Well, from what I can feel in my shoulders, arms and quads, I'm losing
> fat and gaining muscle... ;-) It's difficult and all a matter of
> balance, and patience!
Try reading the subject line sometime.
It is not possible to turn fat into muscle.
Just thought that you might want to pay attention to the details
sometime.
Curt James
> Try reading the subject line sometime.
Try shutting the fuck up sometime.
> It is not possible to turn fat into muscle.
Just as it's not possible to turn your skull's contents into brain
tissue? Yeah.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Mr-Natural-Health
Curt James wrote:
> Mr-Natural-Moonbat wrote:
>
> > Try reading the subject line sometime.
>
> Try shutting the fuck up sometime.
Okay, Cunt James, what ever the ass-hole says.
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
What a rube.
You cannot turn fat into muscle. Just thought that you might want to
know, Cunt.
Curt James
> Curt James wrote:
> > Mr-Natural-Moonbat wrote:
> >
> > > Try reading the subject line sometime.
> >
> > Try shutting the fuck up sometime.
>
> Okay,
> Cunt James, what ever the ass-hole says.
^^^^^^^^
And this is the extent of your creativity. Pathetic. Not to mention
*late* and with a less humorous presentation:
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.fitness.weights/msg/5dba1a3db443e914
JMW beat you to it. Yes, you've, once AGAIN, proven yourself late on
the draw.
> Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
Ho, ho, ho!
> What a rube.
And what is this rube stuff? Are you from 1950? Just arrived in your
time machine? Still, I'll see your rube and raise you a nincompoop,
Mr-Nincompoop-Moonbat.
> You cannot turn fat into muscle.
No shit. They're different tissues. THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR
CONTRIBUTION! You can, however, exchange one for the other. Reducing
your body fat and replacing it with lean body mass.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Mr-Natural-Health
Cunt James wrote:
> > > Try shutting the fuck up sometime.
> >
> > Okay,
> > Cunt James, what ever the ass-hole says.
> ^^^^^^^^
>
> And this is the extent of your creativity. Pathetic. Not to mention
> *late* and with a less humorous presentation:
There, Cunt, I fixed the problem.
Just thought that the Cunt might want to know.
Curt James
> I fixed the problem.
I don't think so. Your posts are still showing up. Try again!
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Mr-Natural-Health
Curt James wrote:
> Mr-Nincompoop-Moonbat wrote:
>
> > I fixed the problem.
>
> I don't think so. Your posts are still showing up. Try again!
James, 'the Cunt', babbles on.
Nobody like you, Cunt.
Just thought that you might want to know.
Curt James
SNIP
> Just thought that you might want to know.
Yo mama dresses you funny. You is OOGLY. And no one here likes you.
JUST THOUGHT THAT ~*YOU*~ MIGHT WANT TO KNOW!
--
aca...@hotkey.net.au
http://gr8healthrus.com
Curt James
> neandrethals
No surprise, however, that you'd be able to spell incompetence
correctly. I mean, you must be so familiar with that word. ;-)
> incompetence
Curt James
I'd say that makes a lot of sense, Dally, but that's not why I offered
that observation. I was only typing /out loud/ over the inadequacy of
offering numbers without a picture. Numbers or stats such as height and
weight don't tell the whole story at all.
And DAMN! Nearing 4 a.m. I just can't get a regular sleep schedule down
to anything even remotely resembling a science. Unless we're talking
Dr. Frankenstein's lab.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Mr-Natural-Health
> And DAMN! Nearing 4 a.m. I just can't get a regular sleep schedule down
> to anything even remotely resembling a science. Unless we're talking
> Dr. Frankenstein's lab.
Hello, Mr. No-Sleep, who offers weightlifting advice.
You need sleep to gain muscle.
Just thought that you might start with yourself. Somebody might
actually believe the crap that you write and be harmed by it.
Ha, ... Hah, Ha! What a fool the Cunt is!
Curt James
Mr-Natural-Health
> http://curtjames.com/
Bald :(
Graying beard :(
Abuser of children :(
And, suffers from insomnia.
You have absolutely no qualifications to pontificate on these ngs.
Dear God, please save humanity from James 'the Sleep deprived.
The Bill Rodgers
<john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
>Bald :(
>Graying beard :(
>Abuser of children :(
>And, suffers from insomnia.
>
>You have absolutely no qualifications to pontificate on these ngs.
>
>Dear God, please save humanity from James 'the Sleep deprived.
That's him, even worse he's likes GAY sheep!
JMW
>> Cunt
>> http://curtjames.com/
>
>Bald :(
>Graying beard :(
>Abuser of children :(
As opposed to John Gohde, who is toothless, weak, and mentally ill.
Mr-Natural-Health
Like I told you before, I look like a Greek god with a full head of
naturally dark brown hair.
Now where is your defective picture, JMW? I want to see just how funny
you look. Too wimpy to wear sleeveless shirts no doubt.
You have my condolences.
Curt James
> "Mr-Na
SNIP
Bald is all good. I'm much happier with the mousse, hairspray, barber
or /salon/ bills, and time spent on hair. The goatee eliminates some of
the shaving time necessary to present what I call a professional
appearance. And I don't mind the gray one bit.
Abuser of children? Well, many of my students aren't crazy about
sitting quietly during instruction time, but I doubt that's the kind of
abuse ol' Nincompoop-Moonbat is yammering on about.
> As opposed to John Gohde, who is toothless,
> weak, and mentally ill.
Lemme give this my best Rain Man:
Yeah, definitely. Definitely take the bald and the graying beard over
toothless and weak. Definitely.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
> I'm much happier
WITHOUT!
> the mousse, hairspray, barber or /salon/
> bills, and time spent on hair.
Had said *with* (elsewhere in this thread), but am glad to have left
that all behind years ago.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
JMW
>JMW wrote:
>> "Mr-Natural-Health" <john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Cunt
>> >> http://curtjames.com/
>> >
>> >Bald :(
>> >Graying beard :(
>> >Abuser of children :(
>>
>> As opposed to John Gohde, who is toothless, weak, and mentally ill.
>
>Like I told you before, I look like a Greek god with a full head of
>naturally dark brown hair.
Then post in alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.fetish.hair. This is
misc.fitness.weights. Post your pics or post your competition lifts.
We don't give a shit about your hair, you weak, toothless pussy.
>Now where is your defective picture, JMW? I want to see just how funny
>you look. Too wimpy to wear sleeveless shirts no doubt.
Most folks know where my images are.
You are a pussy, John Gohde. You have a web site and your own domain
name. Post your pics, pussy.
JMW
>JMW wrote:
>> "Mr-Na
>SNIP
>> >> http://curtjames.com/
>> >
>> >Bald :(
>> >Graying beard :(
>> >Abuser of children :(
>
>Bald is all good. I'm much happier with the mousse, hairspray, barber
>or /salon/ bills, and time spent on hair.
Well, it saves maintenance throughout the day. However, it takes me
as long to shave my head in the morning as blow-drying did when I had
blond hair down to my shoulders 30 years ago. I use a Braun electric;
otherwise, I would go through blades like crazy. Even with the
electric, I need a new foil and cutter block every six months.
The Bill Rodgers
wrote:
>Bald is all good.
The "Hair club for men's failure group" says that, everyone says
"LOSER".
>I'm much happier with the mousse, hairspray, barber
>or /salon/ bills, and time spent on hair.
More time for kiddie porn.
>The goatee eliminates
Most gay men have goatees, it's their "testicular padding" to keep
their chin from getting bruised.
>some of
>the shaving time necessary to present what I call a professional
>appearance.
Yes, do look like a streetwalker, so it is effective.
>And I don't mind the gray one bit.
>
When you have no choice, accept the inevitable.
>Abuser of children? Well, many of my students aren't crazy about
>sitting quietly during instruction time, but I doubt that's the kind of
>abuse ol' Nincompoop-Moonbat is yammering on about.
>
Unfortuneately your idea of "sitting quietly" requires them to sit on
your lap, and that no doubt stirs up your 1.5" of boyhood.
>
>Lemme give this my best Rain Man:
>
>Yeah, definitely. Definitely take the bald and the graying beard over
>toothless and weak. Definitely.
Six of one, hald dozen of the other.
The Bill Rodgers
wrote:
>> I'm much happier
>
>WITHOUT!
...lube?
The Bill Rodgers
>Most folks know where my images are.
alt.pedophilia?
Mr-Natural-Health
First of all, teaching art to a bunch of kiddies makes you a sissy-man.
You definitely do NOT live in the real world. Probably explains why
you are always on these ngs.
Just thought that you might want to know, Sissy!
> Had said *with* (elsewhere in this thread), but am glad to have left
> that all behind years ago.
Typical ass-hole response.
Don't know what to with hair, so just shave it off. And, too lazy to
shave in the mornings. It probably takes you a month for your beard to
grow at all. No male hormones, I guess, Girlie-Man? :(
You have my condolences.
The Bill Rodgers
<john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
>First of all, teaching art to a bunch of kiddies makes you a sissy-man.
> You definitely do NOT live in the real world. Probably explains why
>you are always on these ngs.
>
>Just thought that you might want to know, Sissy!
>
Oh he knows, and I, and apparently you, are here to remind him when he
forgets to look in the mirror.
>
>Typical ass-hole response.
>
Not really, it's a typical "loser response", but he qualifies for both
titles.
>Don't know what to with hair, so just shave it off. And, too lazy to
>shave in the mornings. It probably takes you a month for your beard to
>grow at all. No male hormones, I guess, Girlie-Man? :(
>
>You have my condolences.
But on the positive side, he does have large breasts.
Mr-Natural-Health
The Bill Rodgers wrote:
Bill Rogers 'the Putz!'
Need I say more? Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
You have my condolences.
Dally
> Curt James wrote:
>
> First of all, teaching art to a bunch of kiddies makes you a sissy-man.
> You definitely do NOT live in the real world. Probably explains why
> you are always on these ngs.
Since we're weighing in with opinions on your life, let me add that I
think it takes incredible stamina, patience and good humor to teach art
to a bunch of kiddies. Way to go, man. What's your training regimen?
Dally
Mr-Natural-Health
Dally wrote:
> think it takes incredible stamina, patience and good humor to teach art
> to a bunch of kiddies.
Who is Dally?
Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Must be another Sissy-Man?
The Bill Rodgers
<john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
>Must be another Sissy-Man?
Yes, that's her, er him, er it...
Curt James
> I think it takes incredible stamina, patience
> and good humor to teach art to a bunch of kiddies.
> Way to go, man. What's your training regimen?
Patience and a sense of humor are absolute requirements of the job, in
my opinion. I like to think I have a lot of both.
Thank you for the attaboy. ;-)
My training regimen is bigtime cardio or that's my focus, but I also
follow a routine based on one I found in a MuscleTech advertisement:
Day 1, chest, biceps:
db bench, incline db press, flyes, db curls, bar curls
Day 2, thighs, calves:
squats, leg press, machine calf raise
*Day 3, rest
Day 4, shoulders, traps, tris:
seated db press, lateral db raises, bentover db laterals, db shrugs or
cleans, tri pushdowns, overhead db extension (single db using both
hands)
Day 5, back, hamstrings:
deadlifts
pulldowns
bentover rows
leg curls
*Day 6, rest
Most exercises are 3-5 sets of 6-12 reps. I like to pyramid on the
compound exercises, but please don't ask about weight used. I'm a weak
son of a b!tch. SOMEONE has to make those Hercules guys look strong,
right?
I do abs just about every workout. My favorite is the knee-raise while
supported on the dip bars. And cardio at least four days a week. The
treadmill is my friend as I continue the battle against the blood
pressure.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
> it takes me as long to shave my head in
> the morning as blow-drying did when I had
> blond hair down to my shoulders 30 years ago.
I haven't had hair to my shoulders since fifth grade. And that was...
(counts on fingers and toes) 1972. Ouch.
> I use a Braun electric; otherwise, I would go
> through blades like crazy. Even with the
> electric, I need a new foil and cutter block
> every six months.
I'm not a daily head shaver. When I was dating my last girlfriend it
was about two or three days a week. She loved the shaved head! Now I'm
every two weeks or so. And I can use blades multiple times as what
hasn't been removed by male pattern baldness is quickly diminishing and
so the blade has an increasingly lower work requirement, seemingly,
each time called to duty. ;-)
Braun? They're supposed to be fantastic. I have an Oster adjustable
hair clipper that I purchased nearly ten years ago and have never
replaced anything on it. I zap my scalp to zero and then run a blade
over it.
Sometimes I'll use my Norelco 3805XL (yeah, I looked) electric razor
and let it go at that, but - typically - I'll shave first with the
Oster (or the Norelco depending on length) and follow-up with the a
blade - Trac II, Mach3, or Schick's Quattro. I really don't notice much
difference between all those.
And I really do have a forum called iam.bald over on
http://iam.bmezine.com/ which is a closed or pay-per community, but
hella fun. My /good friend/ mica may have some feedback on IAM, but I'm
not sure she's ever been a member. She does frequent the newsgroup
rec.arts.bodyart and there is some cross-over between that ng and IAM.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
The Bill Rodgers
wrote:
>I haven't had hair to my shoulders since fifth grade. And that was...
>(counts on fingers and toes) 1972. Ouch.
That blond wig you wear to the gay bars on fri and sat nights doesn't
count?
Mr-Natural-Health
> I also
> follow a routine based on one I found in a MuscleTech advertisement:
>
> I'm a weak
> son of a b!tch. SOMEONE has to make those Hercules guys look strong,
> right?
You have my condolences, you definitely qualified as a stupid cunt
totally unqualified to comment on these ngs.
You have my condolences.
Curt James
> James
Nicely attributed, dumbass. No email, no first/last name combo, /no
nuthin' cuz *you're* weak. I'm offering this reply as a /virtual spot/
for you, Moonbat. Seems you need as much help as you can muster.
> > I'm a weak son of a b!tch.
Still, I'm not embarrassed to admit I'm not strong. With my long arms
and slim build, I don't see myself ever benching 315 - that much-admire
3-plates-on-each-side Olympic bar nirvana for many a lifter.
> > SOMEONE has to make those Hercules guys
> > look strong, right?
But who will EVER make you look smart, Gohde? You seem to be weak, too.
I'm not sure that progressive resistance training can help a person's
IQ. Best of luck.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
The Bill Rodgers
wrote:
>But who will EVER make you look smart, Gohde?
You make him look smart, AND straight.
Mr-Natural-Health
Curt James wrote:
> > > I'm a weak son of a b!tch.
>
> Still, I'm not embarrassed to admit I'm not strong. With my long arms
> and slim build, I don't see myself ever benching 315 - that much-admire
> 3-plates-on-each-side Olympic bar nirvana for many a lifter.
>
> > > SOMEONE has to make those Hercules guys
> > > look strong, right?
>
> But who will EVER make you look smart, Gohde? You seem to be weak, too.
> I'm not sure that progressive resistance training can help a person's
> IQ.
Speaking of IQ, for the benefit of the mentally challenged on MFW:
I'm a weak son of a b!tch = I don't know what I am doing :(
We of course, already know this, but it is about time that you figured
it out before you pollute the minds of our youth. Our country always
need some young boys to die for our country because us older guys
already were subjected to the draft. It is time for the next
generation, to die for nothing for our country and George Bush.
Just thought that Bright-Boy, might want to know.
The Bill Rodgers
<john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
>Speaking of IQ, for the benefit of the mentally challenged on MFW:
>
>I'm a weak son of a b!tch = I don't know what I am doing :(
>
>We of course, already know this, but it is about time that you figured
>it out before you pollute the minds of our youth. Our country always
>need some young boys to die for our country because us older guys
>already were subjected to the draft. It is time for the next
>generation, to die for nothing for our country and George Bush.
>
>
He should run this as his sig file...I know I will.