Thanks, Lyle (copied from his forum)
David Cohen
what some of you may think of him personally, he is a real bright guy with
excellent advice on diet and exercise. His forum is easy to navigate (even
though some mfw regulars can't seem to manage it) and, as a membership only
forum, leaves the trolls out. And all of Jims inane music posts go into the
music forum and can be avoided. While not NEARLY as much fun as MFW, it IS
extremely useful.
BTW, PSMF stands for protein sparing modified fast. It is the absolutely
easiest, fastest, way to lose a lot of fat. Not a maintenence diet, but I
HIGHLY recommend it.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
One month on PSMF. Went from the 250's at about 30% BF to the 220's at about
20% BF. (Don't fret the math. Variations in water/glycogen and my rather
casual caliper technique. But they're close enough.) Probably continue until
the 200's and about 10% BF. I have no interest in trying to maintain single
digit body fat.
Diet's been a snap. High protein and ketosis just kill my appetite. Have to
struggle to get all the protein in. But no matter how much veges and fiber
supplements and stool softener I use, I STILL have to do a once a week
laxative dose, and the hard stools are making my hemorrhoid bleed! I know
you've been accused of BEING a bloody asshole, but, in this case, you've
GIVEN me a bloody asshole. Not in a prison way, luckily.
Only exercise has been a little weight lifting and mostly cardio...walking
the dog on work days, and mountain hiking with the dog on weekends. Which is
more than you might think, since I have four day weekends every week.
<insert mental image of Charles turning lime green with envy>
Only used one "cheat day" when my daughter and I drove up to the Best
Friends Animal Sanctuary in Southern Utah. Haven't felt the need for more ,
yet.
BTW, Best Friends, at 33,000 acres and 1400-1800 animals at any given time,
is the country's largest no-kill animal sanctuary, and ALL you animal lovers
should go to www.bestfriends.org and send them money. And maybe adopt
something. Everybody gets to live out their life there in comfort. They even
have one building just for cats with feline leukemia, who can't be adopted
and would be killed anywhere else. It's an amazing place.
And all you cheap bastards who use this free forum to avoid buying books:
BUY SOME OF LYLE'S BOOKS, FOR CHRISSAKES! I have three, and I'm a dirty,
filthy, cheap, atheist Jew.
So, despite you being a Towel Headed Camel Jockey waiting for orders from
Osama to strap on a bomb and blow up an Olympic skating rink, you're OK.
David
__________________
When I die, if there are no dogs in Heaven, I want to go where they went.
Dally
> One month on PSMF. Went from the 250's at about 30% BF to the 220's at about
> 20% BF.
Nice body recomposition!
I lurk there daily but rarely post.
> I know
> you've been accused of BEING a bloody asshole, but, in this case, you've
> GIVEN me a bloody asshole. Not in a prison way, luckily.
Apparently we not only have the same guru, but we have the same opinion
of him.
Keep up the good work. Good luck on your movements. :-)
Dally
David
"David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:bZRLe.6227$WD....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
So, isn't PSMF basically the first stage of the Atkins diet?
(P.S. don;t even *think* about joining Lyle's forum - if you ever do, you
will hear from both Ahmed and Dipwad!)
David Cohen
"David" <forg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote
>
> So, isn't PSMF basically the first stage of the Atkins diet?
No. Not even close.
Buy the book.
David
me, not you
JMW
>Below is a post I made on Lyle's forum www.bodyrecomposition.com . Despite
>what some of you may think of him personally, he is a real bright guy with
>excellent advice on diet and exercise. His forum is easy to navigate (even
>though some mfw regulars can't seem to manage it) and, as a membership only
>forum, leaves the trolls out.
Navigation is OK. Skipping crap from dummies who rarely ask
intelligent questions or give informed answers, but rather, just drop
one-liners, is more difficult than with a threaded newsreader. It
annoys me to have to scroll down a long page just to pick up a couple
of posts worth reading.
>And all of Jims inane music posts go into the
>music forum and can be avoided.
Yes, that is a good thing. I hope he continues to use it and avoid
MFW.
>While not NEARLY as much fun as MFW, it IS
>extremely useful.
>
>BTW, PSMF stands for protein sparing modified fast. It is the absolutely
>easiest, fastest, way to lose a lot of fat. Not a maintenence diet, but I
>HIGHLY recommend it.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>One month on PSMF. Went from the 250's at about 30% BF to the 220's at about
>20% BF. (Don't fret the math. Variations in water/glycogen and my rather
>casual caliper technique. But they're close enough.) Probably continue until
>the 200's and about 10% BF. I have no interest in trying to maintain single
>digit body fat.
IIRC, the PSMF is very similar to the Stillman Diet of the 70s. I
lost a similar amount during my senior year in high school. If the
PSMF is essentially the same, it should, indeed, be effective, but it
is not very revolutionary.
>Diet's been a snap. High protein and ketosis just kill my appetite. Have to
>struggle to get all the protein in. But no matter how much veges and fiber
>supplements and stool softener I use, I STILL have to do a once a week
>laxative dose, and the hard stools are making my hemorrhoid bleed! I know
>you've been accused of BEING a bloody asshole, but, in this case, you've
>GIVEN me a bloody asshole. Not in a prison way, luckily.
I once heard a comedian simplify the Stillman Diet as "Drink water,
eat meat, and shit like a shark."
>Only exercise has been a little weight lifting and mostly cardio...walking
>the dog on work days, and mountain hiking with the dog on weekends. Which is
>more than you might think, since I have four day weekends every week.
>
><insert mental image of Charles turning lime green with envy>
>
>Only used one "cheat day" when my daughter and I drove up to the Best
>Friends Animal Sanctuary in Southern Utah. Haven't felt the need for more ,
>yet.
>
>BTW, Best Friends, at 33,000 acres and 1400-1800 animals at any given time,
>is the country's largest no-kill animal sanctuary, and ALL you animal lovers
>should go to www.bestfriends.org and send them money. And maybe adopt
>something. Everybody gets to live out their life there in comfort. They even
>have one building just for cats with feline leukemia, who can't be adopted
>and would be killed anywhere else. It's an amazing place.
>
>And all you cheap bastards who use this free forum to avoid buying books:
>BUY SOME OF LYLE'S BOOKS, FOR CHRISSAKES! I have three, and I'm a dirty,
>filthy, cheap, atheist Jew.
I have no problem with that, but you need to realize that there are
still a few of us in MFW who actually read the research instead of
buying the books. It might be just Dmitri and me, but that's a few.
T
> BTW, PSMF stands for protein sparing modified fast. It is the absolutely
> easiest, fastest, way to lose a lot of fat. Not a maintenence diet, but I
> HIGHLY recommend it.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> One month on PSMF. Went from the 250's at about 30% BF to the 220's at about
> 20% BF. (Don't fret the math. Variations in water/glycogen and my rather
> casual caliper technique. But they're close enough.) Probably continue until
> the 200's and about 10% BF. I have no interest in trying to maintain single
> digit body fat.
>
> Diet's been a snap. High protein and ketosis just kill my appetite. Have to
> struggle to get all the protein in. But no matter how much veges and fiber
> supplements and stool softener I use, I STILL have to do a once a week
> laxative dose,
So, details? Gram of protein per pound of bodyweight per day plus veggies?
David
"He's creepy, mean hearted and a bully"
David
me, not the creepy mean hearted bully
David Cohen
"JMW" <j...@event.horizon> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>Below is a post I made on Lyle's forum www.bodyrecomposition.com . Despite
>>what some of you may think of him personally, he is a real bright guy with
>>excellent advice on diet and exercise. His forum is easy to navigate (even
>>though some mfw regulars can't seem to manage it) and, as a membership
>>only
>>forum, leaves the trolls out.
>
> Navigation is OK. Skipping crap from dummies who rarely ask
> intelligent questions or give informed answers, but rather, just drop
> one-liners, is more difficult than with a threaded newsreader. It
> annoys me to have to scroll down a long page just to pick up a couple
> of posts worth reading.
True, but having the topics grouped into individual forums eliminates much
of the clutter. I just read the new posts on the subjects I'm interested in.
And the pornography, of course.
>>And all of Jims inane music posts go into the
>>music forum and can be avoided.
>
> Yes, that is a good thing. I hope he continues to use it and avoid
> MFW.
>
>>While not NEARLY as much fun as MFW, it IS
>>extremely useful.
>>
>>BTW, PSMF stands for protein sparing modified fast. It is the absolutely
>>easiest, fastest, way to lose a lot of fat. Not a maintenence diet, but I
>>HIGHLY recommend it.
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>One month on PSMF. Went from the 250's at about 30% BF to the 220's at
>>about
>>20% BF. (Don't fret the math. Variations in water/glycogen and my rather
>>casual caliper technique. But they're close enough.) Probably continue
>>until
>>the 200's and about 10% BF. I have no interest in trying to maintain
>>single
>>digit body fat.
>
> IIRC, the PSMF is very similar to the Stillman Diet of the 70s. I
> lost a similar amount during my senior year in high school. If the
> PSMF is essentially the same, it should, indeed, be effective, but it
> is not very revolutionary.
It isn't the same, in many important aspects. I won't discuss the details
here, as that would be unfair to Lyle, whose forum IS free, and whose books
are for sale.
True, but for every two of you, there are dozens/hundreds/thousands like me
who just aren't interested in reading the original research, and would
prefer to have someone they trust read it for them, and summarize. You,
Dmitri without the third i, Lyle, Elzi...sometimes I think I sould be paying
you folks a fee for being my Research Reading And Summarizing Team.
David
dami...@oldman.org
<sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Below is a post I made on Lyle's forum www.bodyrecomposition.com . Despite
>what some of you may think of him personally, he is a real bright guy with
>excellent advice on diet and exercise. His forum is easy to navigate (even
>though some mfw regulars can't seem to manage it) and, as a membership only
>forum, leaves the trolls out. And all of Jims inane music posts go into the
>music forum and can be avoided. While not NEARLY as much fun as MFW, it IS
>extremely useful.
<snip>
>
>Only used one "cheat day" when my daughter and I drove up to the Best
>Friends Animal Sanctuary in Southern Utah. Haven't felt the need for more ,
>yet.
>
>BTW, Best Friends, at 33,000 acres and 1400-1800 animals at any given time,
>is the country's largest no-kill animal sanctuary, and ALL you animal lovers
>should go to www.bestfriends.org and send them money. And maybe adopt
>something. Everybody gets to live out their life there in comfort. They even
>have one building just for cats with feline leukemia, who can't be adopted
>and would be killed anywhere else. It's an amazing place.
I have no interest in joining Lyle's forum, but if it's OK for you to
repost helpful stuff from there to here - and if you're interested in
doing this - I'd welcome seeing it.
III hope to visit Best Friends one day. I get their booklets and have
sent money. Seems like a wonderful place.
>
>
Dally
> David Cohen <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>It isn't the same, in many important aspects. I won't discuss the details
>>here, as that would be unfair to Lyle, whose forum IS free, and whose books
>>are for sale.
>
> I found PSMF descriptions in articles that started in 70s with
> attribution to Blackburn. Looks Ok to describe it on Usenet.
But it's also okay for Lyle to make money off of his knowledge.
Dally
David Cohen
"DZ" <62...@921528896.308588870.2375.789.2905.com> wrote
> David Cohen <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> "JMW" <j...@event.horizon> wrote:
>>> IIRC, the PSMF is very similar to the Stillman Diet of the 70s. I
>>> lost a similar amount during my senior year in high school. If the
>>> PSMF is essentially the same, it should, indeed, be effective, but it
>>> is not very revolutionary.
>>
>> It isn't the same, in many important aspects. I won't discuss the details
>> here, as that would be unfair to Lyle, whose forum IS free, and whose
>> books
>> are for sale.
>
> attribution to Blackburn. Looks Ok to describe it on Usenet.
Lyle's is, frankly, a "modified" protein sparing modified fast. He is clear
in acknowledgeing the existence of PSMFs in the literature for decades, but
has, I believe, made some significant modifications which make the diet more
effective and, more importantly, safe. The original PSMFs managed to kill
some people.
David
Dally
Well, David said to go buy the book, and you said to just crib it from
the internet. One way allows Lyle to make money, the other doesn't.
Dally
David Cohen
<dami...@oldman.org> wrote
Amazon does carry his books. "The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook" deals with the
PSMF.
> III hope to visit Best Friends one day. I get their booklets and have
> sent money. Seems like a wonderful place.
It is. What was overwhelming was the size. I had remembered that they owned
3000 acres. I forgot that they lease an additional 30,000 acres from the
Government. Dogs, cats, horses, goats, sheep, pigs, birds, exotics from time
to time. Two full time vets, hundreds of paid staff, thousands of
volunteers. Really amazing place.
David
JMW
>David Cohen <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> "JMW" <j...@event.horizon> wrote:
>>> IIRC, the PSMF is very similar to the Stillman Diet of the 70s. I
>>> lost a similar amount during my senior year in high school. If the
>>> PSMF is essentially the same, it should, indeed, be effective, but it
>>> is not very revolutionary.
>>
>> It isn't the same, in many important aspects. I won't discuss the details
>> here, as that would be unfair to Lyle, whose forum IS free, and whose books
>> are for sale.
>
>I found PSMF descriptions in articles that started in 70s with
>attribution to Blackburn. Looks Ok to describe it on Usenet.
From what I could glean in the forum, it was similar to the Stillman
Diet (ketogenic, limited calorie, high water intake) with the addition
of some high-fiber vegetables to maintain digestive flow and reduce
LDL cholesterol, which I have been preaching to ketogenic dieters for
years. Is there some aspect I am missing?
Seth Breidbart
David Cohen <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>"David" <forg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote
>>
>> So, isn't PSMF basically the first stage of the Atkins diet?
>
>No. Not even close.
>
>Buy the book.
It's the only diet book I've ever seen that starts by saying -"This is
a bad idea, and you shouldn't do it."-
Seth
--
When I'm telling you to get a life, it's time to consider suicide very
seriously. -- Lyle McDonald
Seth Breidbart
JMW <j...@event.horizon> wrote:
>IIRC, the PSMF is very similar to the Stillman Diet of the 70s.
Similar, but the Stillman diet allowed more fat.
>I once heard a comedian simplify the Stillman Diet as "Drink water,
>eat meat, and shit like a shark."
"The reason you lose weight is that you're too busy running to the
bathroom to eat."
Seth
--
"There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate" -- Will Brink
Except sushi rice, seaweed, and wasabi.
Seth Breidbart
David Cohen <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Lyle's is, frankly, a "modified" protein sparing modified fast. He is clear
>in acknowledgeing the existence of PSMFs in the literature for decades, but
>has, I believe, made some significant modifications which make the diet more
>effective and, more importantly, safe. The original PSMFs managed to kill
>some people.
That's because it was sold as a formula with lousy protein and no
vitamin/mineral supplements.
JMW
>In article <bgtvf1t0071ddvcei...@4ax.com>,
>JMW <j...@event.horizon> wrote:
>
>>IIRC, the PSMF is very similar to the Stillman Diet of the 70s.
>
>Similar, but the Stillman diet allowed more fat.
Not by much. Remember, I'm talking Stillman, not Atkins induction
phase. Stillman permitted only poultry, eggs, lean meat, and low-fat
cheese (mostly dry curd cottage cheese).
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1608/is_6_19/ai_102140891
Plus, I think you were required to drink about a gallon of water per
day.
Charles
wrote:
>
>"David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:uNSLe.5317$Wi6....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "David" <forg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote
>> >
>> > So, isn't PSMF basically the first stage of the Atkins diet?
>>
>> No. Not even close.
>>
>> Buy the book.
>>
>> David
>> me, not you
>>
>This is what Dally said about Charles
>"He's creepy, mean hearted and a bully"
You be careful that you don't find yourself on the wrong side of my
alleged "killfiles" you... you.... you damn rotter you...!!
>
>David
>
>me, not the creepy mean hearted bully
Ah! Now I see who you mean!! ;o)
Ugh! It's Monday! ;o(
Charles
Surely if McD chooses to have his copyright available freely on the
www, when he really wants to make capital gains, he is completely
commercially naive.
Charles
By my reckoning that's only a couple John; surely a "few" is at least
four? ;o)
David
My personal opinion is that Lyle is an arrogant shit - he is in this group
for 15 years - develops a following and then next thing you know he dumps us
without so much as a howdoyoudo. I think if he wants some support here he
should come on and tout his wares for himself.
OmManiPadmeOmelet
"David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Diet's been a snap. High protein and ketosis just kill my appetite. Have to
> struggle to get all the protein in. But no matter how much veges and fiber
> supplements and stool softener I use, I STILL have to do a once a week
> laxative dose, and the hard stools are making my hemorrhoid bleed! I know
> you've been accused of BEING a bloody asshole, but, in this case, you've
> GIVEN me a bloody asshole. Not in a prison way, luckily.
You might want to really try to increase your veggies per meal.
Are you using fresh or canned?
If nothing else, just try increasing your daily magnesium intake in a
cal/mag/phos supplement. It works for me and I'm not always good about
veggie intake. I'm never constipated. ;-)
--
Om.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson
David
"Charles" <j...@mfw.com> wrote in message
news:u8l0g1l5c1b7lv12e...@4ax.com...
and 'few' could be a minimum of 3? I think we need Donovan here.
Peter
> intelligent questions or give informed answers, but rather, just
drop
> one-liners, is more difficult than with a threaded newsreader. It
> annoys me to have to scroll down a long page just to pick up a
couple
> of posts worth reading.
That's why you use the down chevron net to the thread title. it takes
you to the first new post in that thread.
JMW
Yep. You can go to the first post or the last post. If there are
numerous responses, you have to scroll through several long pages to
see if there's anything worthwhile in between. With a threaded
newsreader on Usenet, I can get an overview of the whole thread with
the names of all the authors and determine the likelihood that anyone
worth reading has posted something.
Also, there is no sub-threading in that forum. Someone may respond to
a post a page or two back, and there's no way to jump back to the post
that is the source of the response. It's mostly guesswork,
particularly if the earlier post is poorly quoted or not quoted at all.
David Cohen
"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <Ome...@brokenegz.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Diet's been a snap. High protein and ketosis just kill my appetite. Have
>> to
>> struggle to get all the protein in. But no matter how much veges and
>> fiber
>> supplements and stool softener I use, I STILL have to do a once a week
>> laxative dose, and the hard stools are making my hemorrhoid bleed! I know
>> you've been accused of BEING a bloody asshole, but, in this case, you've
>> GIVEN me a bloody asshole. Not in a prison way, luckily.
>
> You might want to really try to increase your veggies per meal.
OK, which part of "no matter how much veges and fiber supplements and stool
softener I use" was confusing? Are you related to that lab supervisor who
called me after I sent down a piece of bloody baby blanket in a red top
vacutainer with a request for a "bloody thread count", and seemed confused
as to what I wanted?
> Are you using fresh or canned?
Fresh. If I have to eat all this stuff herbivore fodder, it's gonna' at
least be fresh.
> If nothing else, just try increasing your daily magnesium intake in a
> cal/mag/phos supplement. It works for me and I'm not always good about
> veggie intake.
Oh, I do. Once a week, I GREATLY increase my magnesium intake. Magnesium
hydroxide 3200 mg, along with ducosate sodium 100 mg and bisacodyl 10 mg. A
few hours later, AAAAHHHHH...
> I'm never constipated. ;-)
Really? How come everybody told me you were full of shit?
:)~
David
WillBrink
JMW <j...@event.horizon> wrote:
> "David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Below is a post I made on Lyle's forum www.bodyrecomposition.com . Despite
> >what some of you may think of him personally, he is a real bright guy with
> >excellent advice on diet and exercise. His forum is easy to navigate (even
> >though some mfw regulars can't seem to manage it) and, as a membership only
> >forum, leaves the trolls out.
>
> Navigation is OK. Skipping crap from dummies who rarely ask
> intelligent questions or give informed answers, but rather, just drop
> one-liners, is more difficult than with a threaded newsreader. It
> annoys me to have to scroll down a long page just to pick up a couple
> of posts worth reading.
Par for the course on all the web forums no?
--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/
Hugh Beyer
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
What frosts my cookies is how after 15 minutes or so of no interaction, it
decides I've seen all I need to see and marks all the rest of the posts
read.
Hugh
--
Exercise is a dirty word. Whenever I hear it, I wash my mouth out with
chocolate. ("Ladi")
OmManiPadmeOmelet
"David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <Ome...@brokenegz.com> wrote
> > "David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Diet's been a snap. High protein and ketosis just kill my appetite. Have
> >> to
> >> struggle to get all the protein in. But no matter how much veges and
> >> fiber
> >> supplements and stool softener I use, I STILL have to do a once a week
> >> laxative dose, and the hard stools are making my hemorrhoid bleed! I know
> >> you've been accused of BEING a bloody asshole, but, in this case, you've
> >> GIVEN me a bloody asshole. Not in a prison way, luckily.
> >
> > You might want to really try to increase your veggies per meal.
>
> OK, which part of "no matter how much veges and fiber supplements and stool
> softener I use" was confusing? Are you related to that lab supervisor who
> called me after I sent down a piece of bloody baby blanket in a red top
> vacutainer with a request for a "bloody thread count", and seemed confused
> as to what I wanted?
ok. ;-)
Interesting practical joke.
Like the ICU nurses that sent the lab a urine container of lemonade one
night for a urinalysis. The night tech. was annoyed because he was busy
with ER stuff, but they were bored...
They baked him a cake in apology. <G>
>
> > Are you using fresh or canned?
>
> Fresh. If I have to eat all this stuff herbivore fodder, it's gonna' at
> least be fresh.
Is it leafy greens tho' or starchy veggies like carrots and spuds?
I'll bet if you eat a pile of steamed spinach every day you'd never have
a problem... It's also naturally high in mag.
>
> > If nothing else, just try increasing your daily magnesium intake in a
> > cal/mag/phos supplement. It works for me and I'm not always good about
> > veggie intake.
>
> Oh, I do. Once a week, I GREATLY increase my magnesium intake. Magnesium
> hydroxide 3200 mg, along with ducosate sodium 100 mg and bisacodyl 10 mg. A
> few hours later, AAAAHHHHH...
Tsk.
What I was suggesting was daily mag. supplements... ;-D
>
> > I'm never constipated. ;-)
>
> Really? How come everybody told me you were full of shit?
<bows>
Thankyouverymuch!
>
> :)~
>
> David
Cheers!
David Cohen
Leafy greens are useless without dressing, and I can't have dressing. No
starches allowed. Fibrous veges only. I use cauliflower, broccoli, green
peppers, tomatoes, radishes, zucchini, jalepenos, celery, dill pickes.
> I'll bet if you eat a pile of steamed spinach every day you'd never have
> a problem... It's also naturally high in mag.
YUK! BARF!!
>>
>> > If nothing else, just try increasing your daily magnesium intake in a
>> > cal/mag/phos supplement. It works for me and I'm not always good about
>> > veggie intake.
>>
>> Oh, I do. Once a week, I GREATLY increase my magnesium intake. Magnesium
>> hydroxide 3200 mg, along with ducosate sodium 100 mg and bisacodyl 10 mg.
>> A
>> few hours later, AAAAHHHHH...
>
> Tsk.
> What I was suggesting was daily mag. supplements... ;-D
And give up my anal retentive stimulation? Never!
David
OmManiPadmeOmelet
"David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
You need to hang out on the low carb list. :-)
Plenty of ideas for dressings without starches...
A nice spicy italian dressing can be made with either oil and vinegar or
oil and lemon juice with various herbal flavorings.
A packet of powdered ranch dressing mix can be added to a container of
sour cream for a creamy dressing. There are all kinds of ways around
that.
>
> > I'll bet if you eat a pile of steamed spinach every day you'd never have
> > a problem... It's also naturally high in mag.
>
> YUK! BARF!!
Ok. ;-) I love spinach but I concede that it's not for everyone.
Chard? Kale? Steamed cabbage?
> >>
> >> > If nothing else, just try increasing your daily magnesium intake in a
> >> > cal/mag/phos supplement. It works for me and I'm not always good about
> >> > veggie intake.
> >>
> >> Oh, I do. Once a week, I GREATLY increase my magnesium intake. Magnesium
> >> hydroxide 3200 mg, along with ducosate sodium 100 mg and bisacodyl 10 mg.
> >> A
> >> few hours later, AAAAHHHHH...
> >
> > Tsk.
> > What I was suggesting was daily mag. supplements... ;-D
>
> And give up my anal retentive stimulation? Never!
<snicker> To each their own foibles....
Cheers!
>
> David
W. Bacon
Stupid, too.
Lee Michaels
"W. Bacon" babbled
>>>My personal opinion is that Lyle is an arrogant shit<<
>
> Stupid, too.
>
Whatever Lyle is, he ain't stupid.
How many good books have you written?
And he attributes his replys. So we know who he is replying to.
Are you talking to yourself?
mrpc...@yahoo.com
starches allowed. Fibrous veges only. I use cauliflower, broccoli,
green
peppers, tomatoes, radishes, zucchini, jalepenos, celery, dill pickes.
<<
There's your problem David- no habaneros; jalapenos are for girls.
Geez. I can't believe I'm doing this again...you convinced me to try
the damn book and now I'm on the quest for single digit BF...again.
Shiite. Will be interesting to see if this makes it easier to get
there than last time (2000-2001).
David Cohen
"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <Ome...@brokenegz.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <Ome...@brokenegz.com> wrote
>> > "David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Leafy greens are useless without dressing, and I can't have dressing. No
>> starches allowed. Fibrous veges only. I use cauliflower, broccoli, green
>> peppers, tomatoes, radishes, zucchini, jalepenos, celery, dill pickes.
>
> You need to hang out on the low carb list. :-)
> Plenty of ideas for dressings without starches...
>
> A nice spicy italian dressing can be made with either oil and vinegar or
> oil and lemon juice with various herbal flavorings.
You need to learn the details of Lyle's modifed PSMF...NO OIL!
This is NOT a "low carb ketogenic diet".
But I am not going into the details here. Visit Lyle's forum or buy the
book.
David
W. Bacon
> Stupid, too.
Whatever Lyle is, he ain't stupid.
How many good books have you written? <<
The same number Lyle has written: 0
And he attributes his replys. So we know who he is replying to. <<
If you don't know who I am after 10 years of posting here...lol...
David Cohen
<mrpc...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>Leafy greens are useless without dressing, and I can't have dressing. No
> starches allowed. Fibrous veges only. I use cauliflower, broccoli,
> green
> peppers, tomatoes, radishes, zucchini, jalepenos, celery, dill pickes.
> <<
>
> There's your problem David- no habaneros; jalapenos are for girls.
That IS a good point. However, I find that extremely hot spicy foods, which
I love, make me want to eat more, especially carbs, which I can't do on this
diet. So, no habaneros.
> Geez. I can't believe I'm doing this again...you convinced me to try
> the damn book and now I'm on the quest for single digit BF...again.
> Shiite. Will be interesting to see if this makes it easier to get
> there than last time (2000-2001).
Actually, Lyle's UD 2.0 may be more suited to that. The modified PSMF seems
more suited to rapid short-term fat loss for fat fucks, who then transition
to maintenance or another kind of diet.
David
>
mrpc...@yahoo.com
as a kick start to my lazy 40something ass and then switch to UD2.
After a refeed. Involving margaritas. And here in DFW we have some
killer maggies. Really help with the ol' constipation.
I'm starting out at 188 @ 16%+/- BF. In 2001 I ended up at 6-8% and
159lbs (from 193 and 18%+)...and hungry as hell and cranky. My own
approach (lotsa biking and lifting) ended up taking waay to long at
(total time) 13 months. I'm hoping that doing it with a bit more
information will speed this up.
JMW
Knowing who you are is not the same as knowing to whom you are
responding, Dan. And after ten years, I think you would have learned
to manipulate the stupid AOL Usenet interface. Why do you still post
like you just fell off the turnip truck?
OmManiPadmeOmelet
"David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
I signed up for Lyle's forum, but have yet to get an e-mail from it.
Maybe I did not do it right? :-o
No oil? WTF?
You need a percentage of fat in your diet for a number of reasons...
Dally
> Leafy greens are useless without dressing, and I can't have dressing.
Can you spritz it with oil? I've got a oil spray pump and I spritz a
plate of greens with toasted sesame oil. It's enough to make it
palatable. That and the honking pile of meat on top.
> No
> starches allowed. Fibrous veges only. I use cauliflower, broccoli, green
> peppers, tomatoes, radishes, zucchini, jalepenos, celery, dill pickes.
Have you tried boiled edamame? It's good, too. Maybe too starchy, it's
soybeans.
Dally
T
>>
>>Stupid, too.
>>
> Whatever Lyle is, he ain't stupid.
True.
>
> How many *good* books have you written?
Same number as Lyle. ;-)
David Cohen
<mrpc...@yahoo.com> wrote
> Oh I've got UD2.0 too. I'm going to use the PSMF for 10-14days first
> as a kick start to my lazy 40something ass and then switch to UD2.
> After a refeed.
Excellent. Post the results. Maybe I'll try that later, after I'm not a fat
fuck.
> Involving margaritas. And here in DFW we have some
> killer maggies. Really help with the ol' constipation.
During that one "cheat day" in a month, I had a hard time getting myself to
eat all that stuff I hadn't been eating. I guess the PSMF was so successful,
I didn't really want to "cheat", so I kept reminding myself it good for the
metabolism.
David
David Cohen
"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <Ome...@brokenegz.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <Ome...@brokenegz.com> wrote
>> > "David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <Ome...@brokenegz.com> wrote
>> >> > "David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Leafy greens are useless without dressing, and I can't have dressing.
>> >> No
>> >> starches allowed. Fibrous veges only. I use cauliflower, broccoli,
>> >> green
>> >> peppers, tomatoes, radishes, zucchini, jalepenos, celery, dill pickes.
>> >
>> > You need to hang out on the low carb list. :-)
>> > Plenty of ideas for dressings without starches...
>> >
>> > A nice spicy italian dressing can be made with either oil and vinegar
>> > or
>> > oil and lemon juice with various herbal flavorings.
>>
>> You need to learn the details of Lyle's modifed PSMF...NO OIL!
>>
>> This is NOT a "low carb ketogenic diet".
>>
>> But I am not going into the details here. Visit Lyle's forum or buy the
>> book.
>
> Maybe I did not do it right? :-o
>
> No oil? WTF?
> You need a percentage of fat in your diet for a number of reasons...
No, duh. Six grams fish oil, or it's equivilant in flax.
GO BUY THE BOOK! And they call ME a cheap Jew!
Well, actually, they call me a dirty, filthy, cheap, atheist Jew.
David
JMW
> >> There's your problem David- no habaneros; jalapenos are for girls.
> >
> > That IS a good point. However, I find that extremely hot spicy
> > foods, which I love, make me want to eat more, especially carbs,
> > which I can't do on this diet. So, no habaneros.
>
> problem - unless I use spices I'd often not finish the food.
> But the everyday spice is Korean kimchi, something I grew up with.
Store-bought or homemade?
JMW
>>>>> IIRC, the PSMF is very similar to the Stillman Diet of the 70s. I
>>>>> lost a similar amount during my senior year in high school. If the
>>>>> PSMF is essentially the same, it should, indeed, be effective, but it
>>>>> is not very revolutionary.
>>>>
>>>> It isn't the same, in many important aspects. I won't discuss the
>>>> details here, as that would be unfair to Lyle, whose forum IS
>>>> free, and whose books are for sale.
>>>
>>>I found PSMF descriptions in articles that started in 70s with
>>>attribution to Blackburn. Looks Ok to describe it on Usenet.
>>
>> From what I could glean in the forum, it was similar to the Stillman
>> Diet (ketogenic, limited calorie, high water intake) with the addition
>> of some high-fiber vegetables to maintain digestive flow and reduce
>> LDL cholesterol, which I have been preaching to ketogenic dieters for
>> years. Is there some aspect I am missing?
>
>I don't know Lyle's variation. PMID 15016239 says that PSMF is a safe
>weight-loss diet provided it is closely monitored by a physician. It
>promotes rapid weight loss, minimizes hunger, preserves LBM, has no
>adverse psychologic consequences, and allows for normal growth and
>activity (in children). A typical PSMF diet consists of animal protein
>(1.5-2 g/kg protein), vegetables with low carbohydrates and added
>vitamins and minerals. It mentions adequate fluid intake.
>
>I'd read the forum if it allowed searching it in google like
>
> tone kickback awsom bicep mass site:bodyrecomposition.com
>
>without having to register and log in.
Lots of folks register and log in under nyms. *Someone* has Lyle and
the gang pissin' and moanin' about calorie restriction, intermittent
fasting, and protein pulsing.
T
Hugh Beyer
@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>>> Fresh. If I have to eat all this stuff herbivore fodder, it's gonna' at
>>> least be fresh.
>>
>> Is it leafy greens tho' or starchy veggies like carrots and spuds?
>
> Leafy greens are useless without dressing, and I can't have dressing. No
> starches allowed. Fibrous veges only. I use cauliflower, broccoli, green
> peppers, tomatoes, radishes, zucchini, jalepenos, celery, dill pickes.
>
The really good balsamic vinegar can redeem practically anything.
Hugh
--
Exercise is a dirty word. Whenever I hear it, I wash my mouth out with
chocolate. ("Ladi")
Dally
> Eh? I'm confused. You read about it in a book and now are not
> allowed to discuss it here? What is up with THAT?
What, you've never heard of spamming?
<g>
Dally
David Cohen
"Joe Humble" <joeh...@earthlink.net> wrote
>>
>>It isn't the same, in many important aspects. I won't discuss the details
>>here, as that would be unfair to Lyle, whose forum IS free, and whose
>>books
>>are for sale.
>
> allowed to discuss it here? What is up with THAT?
Allowed? Sure. Going to? No.
You're not the only one who seemed to be confused about this, so, let me try
to be clear.
I have used information I found on Lyle's free forum, and in a book which he
wrote and sells, to benefit me. It has been valuable to me to find a safe,
cheap, effective, easy (for me) way to lose a lot of fat in a short time.
For me to discuss the details here...thus reducing potential membership in
his forum or reducing his book sales..would be unethical.
YEMV
David
Seth Breidbart
JMW <j...@event.horizon> wrote:
>se...@panix.com (Seth Breidbart) wrote:
>>In article <bgtvf1t0071ddvcei...@4ax.com>,
>>JMW <j...@event.horizon> wrote:
>>
>>>IIRC, the PSMF is very similar to the Stillman Diet of the 70s.
>>
>
>Not by much. Remember, I'm talking Stillman, not Atkins induction
>phase. Stillman permitted only poultry, eggs, lean meat, and low-fat
>cheese (mostly dry curd cottage cheese).
>
>http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1608/is_6_19/ai_102140891
Right; but even "lean" meat and low-fat chees have more fat than Lyle
recommends.
>Plus, I think you were required to drink about a gallon of water per
>day.
That's the "too busy running to the bathroom to eat" part.
Seth
--
"There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate" -- Will Brink
Except sushi rice, seaweed, and wasabi.
Dally
>>Plus, I think you were required to drink about a gallon of water per
>>day.
>
>
> That's the "too busy running to the bathroom to eat" part.
Over in the part of the internet that worships Bill Phillips we called
that "potty for life".
Dally
T
> T <T...@nothingbut.net> wrote:
>>>Sounds like me but it's not. I tried to register once but got stuck at
>>>the page that mentioned "penalties of law" and the IP address I'm
>>>connecting from.
>>>
>>
>>http://davedraper.com/rapid-fat-loss-handbook.html
>
>
> Not sure what you're suggesting here, T. Is that a book on
> IP-address-travelling around the world? I've already got one
> autographed by someone called Beta.
It's an authorized chapter 1 excerpt of Lyle's Rapid Fat Loss book.
JMW
But it does make you a bit of a shill.
>YEMV
Circumstances may vary, too. I think you remember what I'm talking
about.
dami...@oldman.org
>>>>>My personal opinion is that Lyle is an arrogant shit<<
>>>
>>>Stupid, too.
>>>
>> Whatever Lyle is, he ain't stupid.
>
>True.
Agreed.
>>
>> How many *good* books have you written?
>
>Same number as Lyle. ;-)
I haven't read any of Lyle's books so I can't comment.
JMW
>miss kimchi style pickled carrots, and salads prepared with "sea
>cucumbers" (trepang or holothuria), ferns and laminaria.
I'll buy a jar every once in while. I even made my own once. It
doesn't make you a popular person to be around, though.
W. Bacon
responding, Dan. And after ten years, I think you would have learned
to manipulate the stupid AOL Usenet interface. Why do you still post
like you just fell off the turnip truck? <<
Time for another colonoscopy, John--your head is missing. AOL hasn't
had a "usenet interface" for what, a year?
David Cohen
"JMW" <j...@event.horizon> wrote
Yup. I have no problem with that. Somebody does good by me, I pay 'em back
with an unsolicited plug.
>>YEMV
> Circumstances may vary, too. I think you remember what I'm talking
> about.
Sure. But these circumstances are these, and mine. So, Lyle get a plug.
Not a butt plug. An advertisement plug. They're different.
David
Lee Michaels
"David Cohen" wrote
>
> Sure. But these circumstances are these, and mine. So, Lyle get a plug.
>
> Not a butt plug. An advertisement plug. They're different.
>
Unlike most marketing types, you can tell the difference David.
Good show.
JMW
How would I know that? I've never had an AOL account.
David Cohen
"Joe Humble" <joeh...@earthlink.net> wrote
> Unethical seems to be the wrong word but I think we'd have to consult
> Donovan for a determination.
Ethics are a personal, individual, matter and are purely subject...oh, wait,
you're right, we WILL need Donovan.
David
David
"JMW" <j...@event.horizon> wrote in message
news:1pi2g15fhg9tob4l5...@4ax.com...
Just a bit?
Charles
I think that has more to do with the fact that you know Lyle and have
met him socially on a number of occasions. That situation *would*
probably create "ethical" reservations about taking advantage of his
entrepreneurial naivety.
As for the rest of us, he is just another Internet source providing
free information, which may or may not be of use to us. Add to that
the fact that the face he presents to those he hasn't met socially is
not a particularly endearing one, and it will be seen that respecting
his "copyright" may well be not a very high priority!!
My own observation of Lyle's 'works' are that they are all ideas and
information readily available from other sources, which Lyle has
cobbled together in his own inimitable style, and presented the
results as if it was 'original thought' and all his own work.
Of course that is not much different to what many other people do in
an attempt to commercialise and make a living, none more so than our
own much less talented Will Brink!
Of course all research and subsequent publication has by its very
nature got to be a form of repetitive plagiarism, as has all forms of
learning where we pick others' brains to form our own 'original' ideas
and philosophies!!
In my experience bullshit often baffles brains, and proof of that is
seen in its teeming profundity all day and every day at Usenet!! ;o)
David
"David Cohen" <sammi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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David
appreciation
David
"Joe Humble" <joeh...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1qm2g11frs3k5ki4o...@4ax.com...
> Donovan for a determination.
>
his doorstep demanding a definition of 'athlete'.
David
"Charles" <ch...@getfit.com> wrote in message
news:1f23g1pnqackk97cg...@4ax.com...
To summarize, Lyle is an arrogant shit with zero original ideas and very few
people here really give a tinker's fart if he sells his books or not. (IMHO)
>
Charles
wrote:
That appears to sum it up very succinctly!! ;o)
WillBrink
Joe Humble <joeh...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> You have to really spend some time on slashdot to see how cool it
> really is. Not perfect, of course, but very nice.
I can't speak for the program, but going to forums and "Skipping crap
from dummies who rarely ask intelligent questions or give informed
answers, but rather, just drop one-liners" is par for the course on any
of the forums on bb.com, getbig.com, etc, etc.
--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/
Seth Breidbart
Unfortunately, google allows posting, so it's still September.
Seth
--
99% of the time, he is rude to the people who do in fact deserve
it. -- Will Brink