Snidely <snidely....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Brader submitted this idea :
> > Mark Brader:
> >>> And [concrete] tends to keep its flat shape, so you can clear the
> >>> snow off it easily year after year.
> > "Opus the Penguin":
> >> We have an asphalt driveway. I'd rather have concrete like everyone > >> else on the block. But one definite advantage is that we have a much > >> easier time keeping our driveway cleared of snow. Black absorbs and > >> then radiates the meager heat of the winter sun much more effectively.
> > Oh, sure, if it's mild enough for that to make a difference.
> The driveways in Orange County absorb the winter sun effectively. Most > people here never have to buy a snowblower.
Same for those in the other Orange County.
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> > Why is it that sidewalks are typically made of concrete, when the loads > > they carry are generally under 150 kg (each) and which have joints that > > don't like nonresilient surfaces, while roads are paved with a very > > pliable material to carry loads measured in the tons, said loads not > > requiring resilient surfaces?
> I don't know, but I know that a few places have been experimenting with > replacing concrete sidewalk with squares of rubber from recycled tires. I > believe they're more expensive per square foot, but have the advantage of > being something you can prefab offsite and install without any curing > period, and in places where there are trees they can be lifted out while > tree roots are trimmed and then dropped back into place, avoiding one of > the big problems of concrete sidewalks which is cracking caused by growing > trees.
> For runners, they're great because they're a lot nicer to run on.
They SUCK for outdoor barefoot use. See "Adventure Island, Tampa".
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> In article <mn.780d7dc943f6c1e3.127094@snitoo>,
> Snidely <snidely....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mark Brader submitted this idea :
>> > Mark Brader:
>> >>> And [concrete] tends to keep its flat shape, so you can clear the
>> >>> snow off it easily year after year.
>> > "Opus the Penguin":
>> >> We have an asphalt driveway. I'd rather have concrete like everyone >> >> else on the block. But one definite advantage is that we have a much >> >> easier time keeping our driveway cleared of snow. Black absorbs and >> >> then radiates the meager heat of the winter sun much more effectively.
>> > Oh, sure, if it's mild enough for that to make a difference.
>> The driveways in Orange County absorb the winter sun effectively. Most >> people here never have to buy a snowblower.
> Same for those in the other Orange County.
Probably different for the Orange Counties in Vermont and New York.
>> In article <mn.780d7dc943f6c1e3.127094@snitoo>,
>> Snidely <snidely....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Mark Brader submitted this idea :
>>> > Mark Brader:
>>> >>> And [concrete] tends to keep its flat shape, so you can clear the
>>> >>> snow off it easily year after year.
>>> > "Opus the Penguin":
>>> >> We have an asphalt driveway. I'd rather have concrete like everyone >>> >> else on the block. But one definite advantage is that we have a much >>> >> easier time keeping our driveway cleared of snow. Black absorbs and >>> >> then radiates the meager heat of the winter sun much more effectively.
>>> > Oh, sure, if it's mild enough for that to make a difference.
>>> The driveways in Orange County absorb the winter sun effectively. Most >>> people here never have to buy a snowblower.
>> Same for those in the other Orange County.
>Probably different for the Orange Counties in Vermont and New York.
Or the one in the Netherlands (I don't think they call it a county,
though).
--
"One thing happened after another, and before
we knew it, we were dead"
-- Michael O'Donoghue
> >> In article <mn.780d7dc943f6c1e3.127094@snitoo>,
> >> Snidely <snidely....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Mark Brader submitted this idea :
> >>> > Mark Brader:
> >>> >>> And [concrete] tends to keep its flat shape, so you can clear the
> >>> >>> snow off it easily year after year.
> >>> > "Opus the Penguin":
> >>> >> We have an asphalt driveway. I'd rather have concrete like everyone > >>> >> else on the block. But one definite advantage is that we have a much > >>> >> easier time keeping our driveway cleared of snow. Black absorbs and > >>> >> then radiates the meager heat of the winter sun much more effectively.
> >>> > Oh, sure, if it's mild enough for that to make a difference.
> >>> The driveways in Orange County absorb the winter sun effectively. Most > >>> people here never have to buy a snowblower.
> >> Same for those in the other Orange County.
> >Probably different for the Orange Counties in Vermont and New York.
> Or the one in the Netherlands (I don't think they call it a county,
> though).
There isn't one in the Netherlands. The Dutch royal family takes its name from a region in southern France by that name, which was at one time a principality owned by the Prince of Orange, later the first king of the Netherlands.
>> >> In article <mn.780d7dc943f6c1e3.127094@snitoo>,
>> >> Snidely <snidely....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Mark Brader submitted this idea :
>> >>> > Mark Brader:
>> >>> >>> And [concrete] tends to keep its flat shape, so you can clear the
>> >>> >>> snow off it easily year after year.
>> >>> > "Opus the Penguin":
>> >>> >> We have an asphalt driveway. I'd rather have concrete like everyone >> >>> >> else on the block. But one definite advantage is that we have a much >> >>> >> easier time keeping our driveway cleared of snow. Black absorbs and >> >>> >> then radiates the meager heat of the winter sun much more effectively.
>> >>> > Oh, sure, if it's mild enough for that to make a difference.
>> >>> The driveways in Orange County absorb the winter sun effectively. Most >> >>> people here never have to buy a snowblower.
>> >> Same for those in the other Orange County.
>> >Probably different for the Orange Counties in Vermont and New York.
>> Or the one in the Netherlands (I don't think they call it a county,
>> though).
>There isn't one in the Netherlands. The Dutch royal family takes its >name from a region in southern France by that name, which was at one >time a principality owned by the Prince of Orange, later the first king >of the Netherlands.
>bill
Well, what a disappointment!
--
"One thing happened after another, and before
we knew it, we were dead"
-- Michael O'Donoghue
>> >> In article <mn.780d7dc943f6c1e3.127094@snitoo>,
>> >> Snidely <snidely....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Mark Brader submitted this idea :
>> >>> > Mark Brader:
>> >>> >>> And [concrete] tends to keep its flat shape, so you can clear
>> the
>> >>> >>> snow off it easily year after year.
>> >>> > "Opus the Penguin":
>> >>> >> We have an asphalt driveway. I'd rather have concrete like
>> everyone
>> >>> >> else on the block. But one definite advantage is that we have a
>> much
>> >>> >> easier time keeping our driveway cleared of snow. Black absorbs
>> and
>> >>> >> then radiates the meager heat of the winter sun much more
>> effectively.
>> >>> > Oh, sure, if it's mild enough for that to make a difference.
>> >>> The driveways in Orange County absorb the winter sun effectively. >> Most
>> >>> people here never have to buy a snowblower.
>> >> Same for those in the other Orange County.
>> >Probably different for the Orange Counties in Vermont and New York.
>> Or the one in the Netherlands (I don't think they call it a county,
>> though).
> There isn't one in the Netherlands. The Dutch royal family takes its
> name from a region in southern France by that name, which was at one
> time a principality owned by the Prince of Orange, later the first king
> of the Netherlands.
> >> >> In article <mn.780d7dc943f6c1e3.127094@snitoo>,
> >> >> Snidely <snidely....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> Mark Brader submitted this idea :
> >> >>> > Mark Brader:
> >> >>> >>> And [concrete] tends to keep its flat shape, so you can clear
> >> the
> >> >>> >>> snow off it easily year after year.
> >> >>> > "Opus the Penguin":
> >> >>> >> We have an asphalt driveway. I'd rather have concrete like
> >> everyone
> >> >>> >> else on the block. But one definite advantage is that we have a
> >> much
> >> >>> >> easier time keeping our driveway cleared of snow. Black absorbs
> >> and
> >> >>> >> then radiates the meager heat of the winter sun much more
> >> effectively.
> >> >>> > Oh, sure, if it's mild enough for that to make a difference.
> >> >>> The driveways in Orange County absorb the winter sun effectively. > >> Most
> >> >>> people here never have to buy a snowblower.
> >> >> Same for those in the other Orange County.
> >> >Probably different for the Orange Counties in Vermont and New York.
> >> Or the one in the Netherlands (I don't think they call it a county,
> >> though).
> > There isn't one in the Netherlands. The Dutch royal family takes its
> > name from a region in southern France by that name, which was at one
> > time a principality owned by the Prince of Orange, later the first king
> > of the Netherlands.
> And did he import Oranges from Jaffa?
Not that I'm aware of. The Dutch historically imported their oranges from Spain, so they were more likely to be Valencias or Castellanas rather than Jaffas. Unfortunately, oranges are also associated with St. Nicholas, who the Dutch mistakenly have arriving from Spain every December, rather than Turkey, where he was the bishop of Myra in the fourth century. None of this has anything to do with the mandarin oranges sold by Japan to many parts of the world in the weeks leading up to Christmas. Capiche?
> In article > <fbe938a0-d1e6-41fb-b7eb-a04c4ada1...@i14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
> Mary <mrfeath...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 16, 11:57 pm, Veronique <veroniqueuni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sep 15, 7:56 am, Mary <mrfeath...@a0l.com> wrote:
> > > > On 9/14/2012 8:44 PM, Charles Bishop wrote:
> > > > > There used to be a "Concrete Highways are Best" campaign. Does
> > > > > anyone have a concrete highway (2 lanes) nearby? I think there
> > > > > was one through one of my hometowns, though I remember brick as
> > > > > well.
> > > > Yes, there's a state highway that I often use that's concrete, at
> > > > least in sections. There's also a road that should have been
> > > > concrete: they've put a couple of roundabouts in where there used
> > > > to be intersections, and the weight of the cars turning in a tight
> > > > circle have worn ridges where the tires go. I'm waiting to see
> > > > how the roundabout holds up once it snows and the plows have to
> > > > clear it.
> > > Maybe the plows will scrape it flat again?
> > More likely dig up the ridges and turn them into rubble and thus
> > create a pothole.
> Here in the zone where it sometimes gets cold, potholes occur when > asphalt gets cold enough to crack, water seeps in, it expands when it > freezes, further damaging the asphalt, and vibrations from subsequent > traffic, especially heavy trucks and such, cause the damaged material to > collapse.
> I don't think I've seen potholes in concrete hereabouts. Do they > actually occur? Same way? And what causes potholes where it doesn't > freeze?
I'm guessing the roadway surface gets damaged by falling equipment or
gets chunks dug out by accelerating/braking/turning vehicles, and the
development is furthered by other vehicles hitting the downstream edge or
rain washing away the layers beneath, making the edges unsupported. It
doesn't freeze here often (a handful of times per year, never very hard),
and I don't know the mechanics of pothole development. They do occur
though.
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>Not that I'm aware of. The Dutch historically imported their oranges >from Spain, so they were more likely to be Valencias or Castellanas >rather than Jaffas. Unfortunately, oranges are also associated with St. >Nicholas, who the Dutch mistakenly have arriving from Spain every >December, rather than Turkey, where he was the bishop of Myra in the >fourth century. None of this has anything to do with the mandarin >oranges sold by Japan to many parts of the world in the weeks leading up >to Christmas. Capiche?
One sentence prompts this query: Did anyone here also get oranges (or
tangerines maybe) in their Christmas stocking and think it was a treat?
> In article <billvan-742DB3.18343916092...@news.shawcable.net>, bill van
> <bill...@delete.shaw.ca> wrote:
> [snip-oranges, puns, Jaffra-nothing to see there]
>> Not that I'm aware of. The Dutch historically imported their oranges >> from Spain, so they were more likely to be Valencias or Castellanas >> rather than Jaffas. Unfortunately, oranges are also associated with St. >> Nicholas, who the Dutch mistakenly have arriving from Spain every >> December, rather than Turkey, where he was the bishop of Myra in the >> fourth century. None of this has anything to do with the mandarin >> oranges sold by Japan to many parts of the world in the weeks leading up >> to Christmas. Capiche?
> One sentence prompts this query: Did anyone here also get oranges (or
> tangerines maybe) in their Christmas stocking and think it was a treat?
> In article <billvan-742DB3.18343916092...@news.shawcable.net>, bill van
> <bill...@delete.shaw.ca> wrote:
> [snip-oranges, puns, Jaffra-nothing to see there]
> >Not that I'm aware of. The Dutch historically imported their oranges > >from Spain, so they were more likely to be Valencias or Castellanas > >rather than Jaffas. Unfortunately, oranges are also associated with St. > >Nicholas, who the Dutch mistakenly have arriving from Spain every > >December, rather than Turkey, where he was the bishop of Myra in the > >fourth century. None of this has anything to do with the mandarin > >oranges sold by Japan to many parts of the world in the weeks leading up > >to Christmas. Capiche?
> One sentence prompts this query: Did anyone here also get oranges (or
> tangerines maybe) in their Christmas stocking and think it was a treat?
Yes. In the early 1950s when I was a toddler and the Dutch/European economy lay in ruins, all tropical fruits were rare treats.
> In article <op.wkqqnsol8iiscb@dell3100>,
> "Stan Dandy Liver" <notagood...@invalid.org.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 02:01:06 +0100, bill van <bill...@delete.shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>> > In article <1pm958dl4gsmple2actbb52qim2da4h...@4ax.com>,
>> > Paul Madarasz <paul.madar...@gmail.com> wrote:
[]
>> > There isn't one in the Netherlands. The Dutch royal family takes its
>> > name from a region in southern France by that name, which was at one
>> > time a principality owned by the Prince of Orange, later the first
>> king
>> > of the Netherlands.
>> And did he import Oranges from Jaffa?
> Not that I'm aware of. The Dutch historically imported their oranges
> from Spain, so they were more likely to be Valencias or Castellanas
> rather than Jaffas. Unfortunately, oranges are also associated with St.
> Nicholas, who the Dutch mistakenly have arriving from Spain every
> December, rather than Turkey, where he was the bishop of Myra in the
> fourth century. None of this has anything to do with the mandarin
> oranges sold by Japan to many parts of the world in the weeks leading up
> to Christmas. Capiche?
Gosh.
I wondered if oranges (fruit) were so-called because they were grown
locally, or was the region named after the colour? Which came 1st?
> >> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 02:01:06 +0100, bill van <bill...@delete.shaw.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >> > In article <1pm958dl4gsmple2actbb52qim2da4h...@4ax.com>,
> >> > Paul Madarasz <paul.madar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> []
> >> > There isn't one in the Netherlands. The Dutch royal family takes its
> >> > name from a region in southern France by that name, which was at one
> >> > time a principality owned by the Prince of Orange, later the first
> >> king
> >> > of the Netherlands.
> >> And did he import Oranges from Jaffa?
> > Not that I'm aware of. The Dutch historically imported their oranges
> > from Spain, so they were more likely to be Valencias or Castellanas
> > rather than Jaffas. Unfortunately, oranges are also associated with St.
> > Nicholas, who the Dutch mistakenly have arriving from Spain every
> > December, rather than Turkey, where he was the bishop of Myra in the
> > fourth century. None of this has anything to do with the mandarin
> > oranges sold by Japan to many parts of the world in the weeks leading up
> > to Christmas. Capiche?
> Gosh.
> I wondered if oranges (fruit) were so-called because they were grown
> locally, or was the region named after the colour? Which came 1st?
The fruit came first. The color name is a reference to the fruit.
The placename of the Principality of Orange, however, has an entirely
different etymology, supposedly from a Latin borrowing of a Celtic god
name.
> >> >> In article <mn.780d7dc943f6c1e3.127094@snitoo>,
> >> >> Snidely <snidely....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> Mark Brader submitted this idea :
> >> >>> > Mark Brader:
> >> >>> >>> And [concrete] tends to keep its flat shape, so you can clear the
> >> >>> >>> snow off it easily year after year.
> >> >>> > "Opus the Penguin":
> >> >>> >> We have an asphalt driveway. I'd rather have concrete like everyone
> >> >>> >> else on the block. But one definite advantage is that we have a much
> >> >>> >> easier time keeping our driveway cleared of snow. Black absorbs and
> >> >>> >> then radiates the meager heat of the winter sun much more effectively.
> >> >>> > Oh, sure, if it's mild enough for that to make a difference.
> >> >>> The driveways in Orange County absorb the winter sun effectively. Most
> >> >>> people here never have to buy a snowblower.
> >> >> Same for those in the other Orange County.
> >> >Probably different for the Orange Counties in Vermont and New York.
> >> Or the one in the Netherlands (I don't think they call it a county,
> >> though).
> >There isn't one in the Netherlands. The Dutch royal family takes its
> >name from a region in southern France by that name, which was at one
> >time a principality owned by the Prince of Orange, later the first king
> >of the Netherlands.
> >bill
> Well, what a disappointment!
I suspect, however, that the climate is much nicer in southern France
than in the Netherlands.
> >> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 02:01:06 +0100, bill van <bill...@delete.shaw.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >> > In article <1pm958dl4gsmple2actbb52qim2da4h...@4ax.com>,
> >> > Paul Madarasz <paul.madar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> []
> >> > There isn't one in the Netherlands. The Dutch royal family takes its
> >> > name from a region in southern France by that name, which was at one
> >> > time a principality owned by the Prince of Orange, later the first
> >> king
> >> > of the Netherlands.
> >> And did he import Oranges from Jaffa?
> > Not that I'm aware of. The Dutch historically imported their oranges
> > from Spain, so they were more likely to be Valencias or Castellanas
> > rather than Jaffas. Unfortunately, oranges are also associated with St.
> > Nicholas, who the Dutch mistakenly have arriving from Spain every
> > December, rather than Turkey, where he was the bishop of Myra in the
> > fourth century. None of this has anything to do with the mandarin
> > oranges sold by Japan to many parts of the world in the weeks leading up
> > to Christmas. Capiche?
> Gosh.
> I wondered if oranges (fruit) were so-called because they were grown
> locally, or was the region named after the colour? Which came 1st?
Sounds like a job for Wikipedia. It says:
"The name [of the fruit] is thought to derive ultimately from the Sanskrit for the orange tree, with its final form developing after passing through numerous intermediate languages."
Elsewhere, it says the colour was named after the fruit.
Else-elsewhere, it hints but does not state directly that the town of Orange and later the feudal state of Orange derived their name from the Occitan Aurenja, which seems to have come from the Latin Arausio, which got its name from the Celtic water god Arausio.
"The name was originally unrelated to that of the orange fruit, but was later conflated with it."
> > >> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 02:01:06 +0100, bill van <bill...@delete.shaw.ca>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > In article <1pm958dl4gsmple2actbb52qim2da4h...@4ax.com>,
> > >> > Paul Madarasz <paul.madar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > []
> > >> > There isn't one in the Netherlands. The Dutch royal family takes its
> > >> > name from a region in southern France by that name, which was at one
> > >> > time a principality owned by the Prince of Orange, later the first
> > >> king
> > >> > of the Netherlands.
> > >> And did he import Oranges from Jaffa?
> > > Not that I'm aware of. The Dutch historically imported their oranges
> > > from Spain, so they were more likely to be Valencias or Castellanas
> > > rather than Jaffas. Unfortunately, oranges are also associated with St.
> > > Nicholas, who the Dutch mistakenly have arriving from Spain every
> > > December, rather than Turkey, where he was the bishop of Myra in the
> > > fourth century. None of this has anything to do with the mandarin
> > > oranges sold by Japan to many parts of the world in the weeks leading up
> > > to Christmas. Capiche?
> > Gosh.
> > I wondered if oranges (fruit) were so-called because they were grown
> > locally, or was the region named after the colour? Which came 1st?
> The fruit came first. The color name is a reference to the fruit.
> The placename of the Principality of Orange, however, has an entirely
> different etymology, supposedly from a Latin borrowing of a Celtic god
> name.
Shuddareadahead. I've just posted a longer version of this.
>> > >> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 02:01:06 +0100, bill van
>> <bill...@delete.shaw.ca>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> > In article <1pm958dl4gsmple2actbb52qim2da4h...@4ax.com>,
>> > >> > Paul Madarasz <paul.madar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > []
>> > >> > There isn't one in the Netherlands. The Dutch royal family takes
>> its
>> > >> > name from a region in southern France by that name, which was at
>> one
>> > >> > time a principality owned by the Prince of Orange, later the
>> first
>> > >> king
>> > >> > of the Netherlands.
>> > >> And did he import Oranges from Jaffa?
>> > > Not that I'm aware of. The Dutch historically imported their oranges
>> > > from Spain, so they were more likely to be Valencias or Castellanas
>> > > rather than Jaffas. Unfortunately, oranges are also associated with
>> St.
>> > > Nicholas, who the Dutch mistakenly have arriving from Spain every
>> > > December, rather than Turkey, where he was the bishop of Myra in the
>> > > fourth century. None of this has anything to do with the mandarin
>> > > oranges sold by Japan to many parts of the world in the weeks
>> leading up
>> > > to Christmas. Capiche?
>> > Gosh.
>> > I wondered if oranges (fruit) were so-called because they were grown
>> > locally, or was the region named after the colour? Which came 1st?
>> The fruit came first. The color name is a reference to the fruit.
>> The placename of the Principality of Orange, however, has an entirely
>> different etymology, supposedly from a Latin borrowing of a Celtic god
>> name.
> Shuddareadahead. I've just posted a longer version of this.
> bill
Thanks to both, esp. for not giving the WDYJFGI answer (that I did ought
to have done).
