What our NASA needs is Carbonado Bling
BradGuth
have to figure out how to pay for it.
BHO and Norm Augustine damage-control is simply too little too late.
For now it’s back to square one, and yet another wait and see as to
whatever other nations accomplish. Meanwhile, we need to regroup and
count our lucky stars that some of our expertise and talent will
remain in sufficient demand, as we second chair to whatever others are
accomplishing.
How about instead of our mostly LEO fooling around and pretend
missions to/from our Great Electrostatic Collector (GEC) as
representing what our naked and physically dark Selene/moon is all
about, we instead create an honest profit and reinvest, at least that
is what our DARPA and NASA should have been and most certainly could
have been doing, starting as of 4 decades ago.
As a first step in the right direction, as long as going a little
further bankrupt isn't a problem (as so many including the likes of
William Mook seem to think we can always afford to do anything we set
out to accomplish, even if it’s on a line of spendy credit that’s in
the toilet doesn’t seem to matter), how about instead we devise an
actual investment payback (aka SEC approved Ponzi Madoff scheme)
that'll essentially pay for everything, and then some. Just kidding,
as no such SEC approved Ponzi scheme is necessary.
To start with, I’m all for the challenge of establishing those lunar
deep underground habitats of commercial/industrial facilities that’ll
help extract the He3 and any number of other valuable elements.
However, many of you folks apparently never did get the big total
picture, of sending whatever commercially produced stuff from the moon
to its L1, whereas far better yet is to make those spacecraft
constructions and to efficiently launch whatever away from our Selene
L1, whereas unlimited volume and mass of whatever can be efficiently
constructed at near zero gravity and then rather easily sent on it's
way towards destinations such as Mars, with hardly any applied force
(as little 10 watts of applied energy per 1000 tonnes of payload
should do the trick, or at most 1 watt/tonne, because within a km of
the payload/spacecraft release is when either moon or Earth gravity is
going to be doing 99.9999% of the work). In other words, 1e6 kg could
be managed as to interactively station-keep within this Selene L1 by
way of using less than 1 kg of force.
You folks do know at least this much about utilizing Selene L1, don't
you? If not, you need to at least read up on Clarke Station.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications/reports/CB-1106/maryland01b.pdf
Black diamonds are going to save us, in more ways than bling:
Otherwise, instead of going further and further into debt over mostly
LEO stuff and robotic/remote obtained science of other planets and
their moons that can’t possibly benefit out quality of life, why not
first make commercial volumes of pure black carbonado diamond from
within the near perfect vacuum and energy saturated environment of our
Earth-moon L1 (aka Selene L1)?
Industrial quality of most any raw form or off-color natural diamond,
such as an industrial course abrasive/grinding or tool edge cutting
grit is worth at least $10/carat = $50K/kg, and purely synthetic
diamond grit being worth as little as $5K/kg, and otherwise synthetic
bulk lapidary diamond powder retails @$1/carat or $5K/kg, however the
terrestrial volume or annual bulk of such commercial/industrial
diamond grit is still rather minimal and otherwise spendy as hell per
carat of any larger sized specks of diamond, whereas anything of real
size (starting at 100 grit/inch [.25 mm] or larger) is going to start
costing you big time. Therefore, an industrial resource of unlimited
size and mass per given carbonado diamond would likely be nearly
unfathomable to most of us, and worth far more than it’s mass in gold,
perhaps at first worth ten fold that of gold. Eventually as we get
volumes of those kg (5000 carat) carbonado black diamonds rolling in,
the price per such an individual kg crystal of carbonado might drop
well below the value of gold, whereas an actual terrestrial raw
diamond of 5000 carats would have been worth at least $100+ millions,
if not as great a $1B.
Use that kind of commercially valuable return on investment from
making such commercial/industrial tonnes of black carbonado diamond
(hardness <490 GPa), as our means towards funding the trillions it'll
cost for accomplishing any significant base of operations within our
Selene/moon, as well as that of a tethered LSE-CM/ISS, as well as
subsequently paying for all of those spendy to/from Mars missions plus
whatever else makes us happy campers?
~ BG
Uncle Al
>
> If we�re ever going to be in charge of colonizing space, we�ll first
> have to figure out how to pay for it.
TARP
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
BradGuth
> BradGuth wrote:
>
> > If we’re ever going to be in charge of colonizing space, we’ll first
> > have to figure out how to pay for it.
>
> [snip crap]
>
> TARP
TARP is total crap that can't be snipped. Are you suggesting the
Zionist Nazis are going to keep TARP alive forever?
How does TARP ever return a profit on our investment?
How exactly does having 10 state and federal employees for every
private tax paying citizen pay off?
~ BG
BradGuth
Artificial CVD making of diamond to any volumetric scale or mass only
needs a good clean vacuum and lots of electrostatic energy, plus a
supply of raw carbon. Our Selene/moon L1 offers both vacuum and loads
of easily accessible energy, plus an extremely nearby cache of raw
carbon and heavy metals like nowhere else.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
Jonathan
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> If we�re ever going to be in charge of colonizing space, we�ll first
> have to figure out how to pay for it.
You have to think about money for a minute.
We have to find a good solid reason to be in space, a reason
that reads like a good business plan. With credible and well
defined results for the investment. Once you have something
the market can embrace, the money will take care of itself.
Believe in the power of combining opposite extremes.
Funding pure science is hard, due to the difficulty of predicting
the benefits. But what if the oh say...the super collider
was meant to cure the common cold? Would it get funds then?
Pure science should be meant to solve the greatest problems
of ....society. Not the greatest problems of science.
If you want it to get funded properly.
So NASA, an agency dedicated to exploration, pure science
....the glimmering frontiere, should have as it's primary goal
solving the greatest global problems it can.
Not colonizing. (running away from our problems)
What are the greatest global threats for our foreseeable future?
Which of these problems coincide within the reach of NASA
.....low earth orbit?
Let's see, we have a couple of elephants called climate change
and fossil fuel shortages, which could have a common solution
in a clean and abundant new energy source.
And there's plenty of solar power in low earth orbit.
Those things are made for marriage.
Connect our purest of all science, with the broadest of all
societal needs. Maximize the opposites in a single project.
That's the ticket to success.
Jonathan
Wayne Throop
: Funding pure science is hard, due to the difficulty of predicting
: the benefits. But what if the oh say...the super collider
: was meant to cure the common cold? Would it get funds then?
: Pure science should be meant to solve the greatest problems
: of ....society. Not the greatest problems of science.
: If you want it to get funded properly.
:
: So NASA, an agency dedicated to exploration, pure science
: solving the greatest global problems it can.
:
: Not colonizing. (running away from our problems)
:
: What are the greatest global threats for our foreseeable future?
: Which of these problems coincide within the reach of NASA
:
: Let's see, we have a couple of elephants called climate change
: and fossil fuel shortages, which could have a common solution
: in a clean and abundant new energy source.
: And there's plenty of solar power in low earth orbit.
: Those things are made for marriage.
Well, I grant you, it makes slightly more sense than trying to sell
the supercollider as a cure for the common cold. But only slightly.
I wouldn't expect to get many fish on that hook.
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
Rod Speed
We've had that for half a century, nukes.
> And there's plenty of solar power in low earth orbit.
> Those things are made for marriage.
Nope, much more expensive than nukes.
> Connect our purest of all science, with the broadest of all
> societal needs. Maximize the opposites in a single project.
> That's the ticket to success.
Yes, thats what produced nukes.
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d62387a1-5f34-4da1...@c18g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > If we’re ever going to be in charge of colonizing space, we’ll first
> > have to figure out how to pay for it.
>
> You have to think about money for a minute.
> We have to find a good solid reason to be in space, a reason
> that reads like a good business plan. With credible and well
> defined results for the investment. Once you have something
> the market can embrace, the money will take care of itself.
The money you speak of is only there for whatever the insider
mainstream sees fit to embrace (the public interest be damned).
>
> Believe in the power of combining opposite extremes.
>
> Funding pure science is hard, due to the difficulty of predicting
> the benefits. But what if the oh say...the super collider
> was meant to cure the common cold? Would it get funds then?
> Pure science should be meant to solve the greatest problems
> of ....society. Not the greatest problems of science.
> If you want it to get funded properly.
Our connecting up with ETs or even locally evolved folks on Venus
might not sound like much, but it's a whole lot better than anything
else off-world that our hard earned public loot is getting spent on.
Creating a few hundred tonnes of carbonado diamond per year may also
seem useless to some perpetual naysayers and denial mindset folks.
>
> So NASA, an agency dedicated to exploration, pure science
> ....the glimmering frontiere, should have as it's primary goal
> solving the greatest global problems it can.
>
> Not colonizing. (running away from our problems)
I agree, and for that accomplishment we need clean resources of energy
and some kind of globally valuable product that'll return our
investment plus offer loads of profits to boot.
>
> What are the greatest global threats for our foreseeable future?
> Which of these problems coincide within the reach of NASA
> .....low earth orbit?
The Selene/moon L1 platform of science, astronomy instruments and
commercial/industrial utilization might be a good place to start, and
the even better place to work out and outfit large scale missions,
including those intended to directly benefit humanity and our
environment.
>
> Let's see, we have a couple of elephants called climate change
> and fossil fuel shortages, which could have a common solution
> in a clean and abundant new energy source.
> And there's plenty of solar power in low earth orbit.
> Those things are made for marriage.
As is the tethered L1 platform (aka depot/gateway), and of its dipole
element reaching to within 2r of Earth, a marriage made in Eden to
further enhance the quality of life in Eden, and that's no pie in the
sky because it's doable.
>
> Connect our purest of all science, with the broadest of all
> societal needs. Maximize the opposites in a single project.
>
> That's the ticket to success.
>
> Jonathan
I agree. So, does that mean you are going to help?
~ BG
BradGuth
> Jonathan wrote:
> > "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Affordability clean burning thorium? (didn't think so)
btw, we need 100 TW of clean energy by 2050 (zero via coal as of
2012).
~ BG
BradGuth
I'd be afraid to ask William Mook about any of this carbonado diamond
making (for one thing his email doesn't seem to work for me), as I'm
certain he'd insist that each and everything I'm suggesting is
entirely dead wrong and/or impossible for any number of reasons,
similar to my use of radium for ion thrusters or the makings of h2o2
as apparently having next to no possible worth for any sort of
internal combustion applications. However, in between the far too
many lines of Mook feedback, there's nearly always a few gems to
behold.
~ BG
BradGuth
Apparently your help is far from reality, as you have no actual
intentions of ever helping to modify or construct a proper NASA
policy, and much less for paying its own way.
The making of artificial carbonado diamond within the near zero
gravity, extreme vacuum and highly electrostatic charged environment
of Selene L1 (Earth-moon L1) is obviously not going to happen under
your watch.
So, to start off we get replacements for the likes of old status quo
farts like yourself, and in spite of the fuss that yourself and others
of your kind are going to make, we proceed anyway, before Russia,
China, Japan or India takes command of the Selene L1 zone.
~ BG
BradGuth
Why is any topic of creating artificial black diamond (aka carbonado)
suddenly taboo/nondisclosure rated?
Is any such end product of 490 GPa forbidden fruit, that which can be
made into terrific tethers and otherwise into extremely nifty
industrial composites, a bad thing?
~ BG
BradGuth
At 0.1% of the tidal radius holding force converted into electrical
energy is 55.5 TW, and should that be taken at one amp load is worth
55.5 TV. If we could only accomplish using 10% of that potential,
we're looking at 5.5 TV to make carbonado bling (aka black diamond) by
the tonnes upon tonnes per year.
At 1% efficiency is using 555 GV to make those carbonado black
diamonds. (seems perfectly overkill even at that level)
~ BG
~ BG
BradGuth
Interesting, that a valid means by which to afford the future has no
meaning whatsoever within Usenet/newsgroups.
It must have something to do with the taboo/nondisclosure nature of
our Earth-moon-L1 (aka Selene L1). Perhaps it's because humans can't
survive this orbital location without extra cooling and loads of
shielding.
~ BG