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Table of contents:
Re: Home businesses
from mram...@mciunix.mciu.k12.pa.us (Marian Ramirez)
why homeschool?
from dee...@houston.email.net
Re: Wheee...Bob Jones, again (fwd)
from Mme...@aol.com
Re: Curriculum-Alpha Omega
from r.r...@ix.netcom.com (L. Diesing )
Usborne Book Catalog
from Gary Hunt <gh...@gold.mv.net>
unschooling-list
from no...@nilenet.com (Diane M. Solbach)
Re: Wheee...Bob Jones, again (fwd)
from Mme...@aol.com
Re: Famous homeschoolers
from r...@woozle.Emp.Unify.Com (Ruthann Biel)
Re: Famous homeschoolers
from ske...@Direct.CA (Sandy Keane)
what we've been doing for swimming
from david mankins <d...@k12-nis-2.bbn.com>
Sunday column...change of pace
from Russell Smith <rss...@tenet.edu>
Re: Famous homeschoolers
from sro...@mcc.com (Steve Rogers)
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From: mram...@mciunix.mciu.k12.pa.us (Marian Ramirez)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 95 19:54:46 EDT
Subject: Re: Home businesses
I am new to this area. I'd love to have someone give me a short guide.
Does everyone of the list get a copy of my note?
I am interested in starting a desktop published/design business. I'd
love some help with pricing. do other people price by the job or by the
hour?
I enjoyed the wedding cake history.
Thanks
In article
<8061619...@InforMNs.k12.MN.us> you wrote: : :
> : > I like the idea of starting a home business, would like to hear
: > from homeschoolers who have done so.
: During the 12 years since my first child was born I have done wedding cakes.
: These were very specialized cakes covered with hand molded sugar clay
: flowers and required many hours of time to complete. Since I was already
: doing it when we adopted our first child it was already part of my life
: style. Later it became almost a full-time business, requiring a great many
: hours of time. The advantage was that the children could sit at the table
: and do school while I sat there and hand formed each sugar flower. People
: came to my house for their consultation appointments, so the house had to be
: very clean and orderly.
: I loved the business but recently took a sabbatical from it because of the
: extreme stress I was always under. One of my son's favorite statements was
: "Oh no, today is Friday! Look out for Mom!" (The cakes have to be finished
: Friday night, no matter what else is going on.)
: Doing any type of cooking from your home for a business is usually not allowed.
: We have designed our home with a separate business kitchen, but it has never
: been completed. Usually if you are doing something on a fairly small scale
: and stay out of print (advertising, newspapers,etc.) the regulators ignore
: you, unless you get reported. Some of the best catering, and almost all the
: most beautiful wedding cakes come from peoples homes.
: Kathy Ferrell
: kfer...@gcn.scri.fsu.edu
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Marian Ramirez
Box 650
Conshohocken, PA 19428-0650
mram...@mciunix.mciu.k12.pa.us
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From: dee...@houston.email.net
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 19:03:16 CDT
Subject: why homeschool?
Cindy says
>> It is assumed that the below average 4 are the ones in the most need of
help.........
Be thankful Cindy that in your school system the BELOW average 4 get help.
The reason I'm homeschooling is because MY KIDS who are the "below average"
need help and can't seem to get it. It's sad!! because at least those
"middle" guys can understand it somewhat and those "4" are still lost as a
goose...:( I know I am having to fix and try to "catch up" two ten year olds
that are working on a 2nd and 3rd grade level..THANK YOU PUBLIC SCHOOL!
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From: Mme...@aol.com
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 15:55:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Wheee...Bob Jones, again (fwd)
In a message dated 95-08-03 15:39:18 EDT, dee...@houston.email.net writes:
>My children are adopted from Nicaragua...I'm white as a ghost...I'm almost
>expecting interacial marriages in our family. Would that be unacceptable at
>BJU?
No, because they were raised in *this* culture. The problem they have
is with the intermingling of *cultures*, because they believe it's a
step toward a one-world government, something the Bible soundly
condemns and that they don't want to take any steps toward
supporting.
And FWIW, I am getting a mite offended that people are blasting
Christians as hate-mongerers, and then turn around and blast
this sewage about Christian organizations. How about some
tolerance and attempts to understand even if you don't agree?
I don't agree with everybody who professes to be a Christian,
but I certainly don't slam them.
I try very hard to not say anything that will offend people, and
I'm even supposedly one of those "intolerant, closed-minded,
bigoted, etc.," "fundies" -- well, not what *I* would call a
"fundy," but you get the drift.
There is a Tibetan (I believe) proverb which I may have stated
before that I think everybody would do wise to implement:
Before any words come out of your mouth, they should pass
3 gates:
1. Is it true?
2. Is it kind? (I think this is where most people stumble)
3. Is it necessary?
I aim for that. Not that I succeed 100% of the time, but if you aim
at nothing, you'll hit it every time.
Regards, Melinda
mme...@aol.com
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From: r.r...@ix.netcom.com (L. Diesing )
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 18:28:22 -0700
Subject: Re: Curriculum-Alpha Omega
You wrote:
>
>Ok..here I go "changing midstream" ....and want to know if anyone has
used
>Alpha Omega and what they thought of it...
>
We have used the Alpha Omega Horizon's Kindergarten program when we
were first started home schooling. It is somewhat fast paced and takes
alot of time. My daughter found the readers very boring because they
use alot of "big" words to enhance vocabulary. She had a very hard
time following the stories and hated reading. We stuck with this for
almost a year pushing and prodding her to read because we had gone to a
hs seminar and the lady who spoke said no matter what curriculum you
buy, give it a chance, stick with it for at least a year. How wrong
she was! We now make up our own "curriculum" by taking Emily to the
library and asking her what she wants to learn about. We help her
locate the shelves in the children's section where she can find the
books that interest her most at the time. She is now a real book worm.
I just wish we would have done it sooner!!
Back to the subject of Alpha Omega. My second daughter wanted to do
kindergarten like her big sister, so since I already had the teacher's
manuals, I called for another set of kindergarten workbooks for Erica.
I ordered the second day FedEx delivery, and it took more than two
weeks! We tried the ordering something a few months ago and it was
never delivered. I finally called to see what had happened and they
said delivery had been refused at our address. I am here all day every
day (I do day care during the day for 9 kids and cannot leave!) and
there was never even a delivery attempt. To make it worse, they said I
had to pay the U.P.S. fees because I had "refused delivery"! I was
furious to say the least.
I'm sure not everyone has had such bad luck, but if you do decide to
order from them, ask them about they delivery proceedures and policies
so you don't get stung!
Laura
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From: Gary Hunt <gh...@gold.mv.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:27:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Usborne Book Catalog
There are still a few catalogs left! Any new subscribers to Home-Ed who
do not yet have a source for Usborne's 700+ titles, which are great for
homeschooling, can request a free catalog by sending your name and
address to: gh...@gold.mv.net
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From: no...@nilenet.com (Diane M. Solbach)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 19:10:04 -0700
Subject: unschooling-list
To those of you who have subscribed to the unschooling-list--I'm trying to
find out why the posts aren't going through. Please hang in there! :)
Diane
no...@nilenet.com
Denver, Colorado
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From: Mme...@aol.com
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 22:54:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Wheee...Bob Jones, again (fwd)
In a message dated 95-08-03 22:45:22 EDT, d...@k12-nis-2.bbn.com (david
mankins) writes:
>Does this mean that Americans of European descent and Americans of
>African descent can date at BJU, then, since both were raised in
>*this* culture?
Hmm, you have a point there. I'll have to go back and ask my pastor.
He spoke about it on an "ask the pastor" series of messages a
while back, and I remember him saying that it was the cultures....
>Not to be unkind, Melinda, but this ``mixing of cultures'' argument
>just sounds like a rationalization.
I don't think you're being unkind. I don't necessarily agree with
them personally, but I understand how they came to where they
are at and believe that they are not being racist. It's a matter
of where do you draw the line, and some people will think it's
okay to go a ways down a path, while others will feel that they
should just stay off of it altogether. The same way that some
Christians think it's okay to imbibe of alcohol as long as one
does not become drunk, and others think that you shouldn't
imbibe at all because if you don't, there's no chance of you
inadvertently getting drunk.
>The Bible is a big book, someone
>bent on rationalizing a policy is likely to be able to find
>*something* that will back them up (``The Devil can quote
>scripture'').
I guess I understand your point as well as theirs.
>I think Jim Muncy's statement the last time this came up: ``It's Bob
>Jones, Sr.'s wish. When he dies, the policy will probably end'', is a
>much better defense, frankly.
*This* I *did* ask my pastor about, and he said that although there
are some positions that Dr. Bob III disagrees with and will
probably change, that he feels Dr. Bob III is *not* going to change
this one. He goes back every year for some conference or
another, so he keeps in touch with where things are at back there.
However, only time will tell.
Nevertheless, BJU *does* recognize that this is their personal
conviction, and they don't force it on people because they
don't feel it's an essential. For that I have to give them credit.
If anyone disagrees with me, that's fine. This is only my
perspective, and not necessarily the complete truth.
Melinda
mme...@aol.com
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From: r...@woozle.Emp.Unify.Com (Ruthann Biel)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:02:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Famous homeschoolers
Part of the problem with the issue of famous homeschoolers...is...
what is famous....and .... how do you define a homeschooler?
Growing Without Schooling carries a 12page pamphlet by Malcolm and
Nacy Plent. It sells for $2.00. (1-617-864-3100)
It mentions people like Andrew Carnegie whose family kept him home for
3 years...then finally talked him into school at about age 8...he
stayed till age 13 and quit.
Benjamin Franklin...6 months of formal schooling at age eight..
started working at 10...published essays at 16
Winston Churchhill...stated Harrow at age 12...
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From: ske...@Direct.CA (Sandy Keane)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 15:18:17 -0700
Subject: Re: Famous homeschoolers
>
>I've never had much luck with the line of reasoning "Mr. Famous was
>homeschooled". People always say "well, that's fine for Mr. Famous,
>but we're not all geniuses". It seems to emphasize the perception
>that homeschooling is what exceptional/wierd/extreme/aloof/different/
>brilliant/etc. people do, rather than the ordinary thing.
>
>Steve
>
My reply to that is that I wonder how many *ordinary* people would have
been geniuses or famous if only they had had the time to find out where
their talents and interests were, and take those talents and interests to
levels not possible in school.
Sandy Keane <ske...@Direct.CA> .Vancouver B.C. Canada
><> <>< ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> <><
School (2): skool, n :
"a large number of fish of the same kind
swimming together in the same direction"
><> <>< ><> ><> ><> ><> <>< ><> ><> ><> ><>
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From: david mankins <d...@k12-nis-2.bbn.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 00:14:07 -0400
Subject: what we've been doing for swimming
Cambridge, Massachusetts
Patrick (6) asked for a snorkel for his birthday (in April). Every
evening he would take it up to the bath and spend his entire bathtime
under water. It was a bit disturbing, at first, to walk into the
bathroom and see him lying there in the tub, face down.
This summer, we're at a lake alot, and he's taken his snorkel with
him. It's made him *very* comfortable in the water, and he's doing a
fair amount of swimming with it, though he's still breathing through a
tube.
- david mankins (d...@bbn.com, d...@world.std.com, phone(US): 617-873-2873)
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From: Russell Smith <rss...@tenet.edu>
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 23:52:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Sunday column...change of pace
Lots of offtopic stuff lately...anybody want a chunk of my royalties
on my upcoming book _Flameout on the Superhighway_?... (just
kidding...about the royalty offer...(still kidding...about the book).
"And now for something completely different!" (It's a horse! No it's
a couple of coconut shells!....)
From my weekly newspaper column, "Perspective,"
...this is the August 6, 1995 article. (should have written on
Hiroshima I guess... oh well) (free reprints to all educators)
Bill Gates Holding Trump Cards in Windows 95 Litigation
By Russell Smith
Bill Gates had a little chat last week with Clinton and later with
Newt Gingrich. These meetings come as Microsoft is on the verge of getting
sued once again for antitrust violation. It seems that the big complaint
is that Microsoft will be getting an unfair advantage over the established
online computer services by including an option in the new Windows 95
software package to sign up with the fledgling Microsoft Network (also
known as MSN).
My private hunch is the fix will be in from Washington to have the
federal judge issue sanctions not too terribly restrictive against the big
software company (sample conversation: "Judge SoandSo... this is
Bill...Bill Clinton...and you know that little problem we're having with
Microsoft...well I want you to send a strong message, but not too strong
to that good tax-paying company. Oh and by the way... you know that when
the next Supreme Court opening comes up you will be high on my list of
candidates.")
Because Bill... Bill Gates...had this conversation previously with
Bill Clinton: "Uh..Bill... I mean Mr. President....have you seen Vancouver
Island when the leaves turn red in the fall? Just beautiful... and I hear
the business real estate up in Canada is also just beautiful to interested
American businessmen. Of course I would hate to have to move one of the
largest American corporations to Canada... especially with the 1996
elections coming up. We'd hate to miss all that fun. And Newt kind of
agrees it would be a terrible waste of taxpayer dollars."
Meanwhile Microsoft has been manufacturing the packages of Windows 95
like crazy for the past three weeks. Not only at the Redmond, Washington
facility, but also at five other software manufacturing companies who are
subcontracting from Microsoft. Their goal is to have 30 million copies
ready for sale when the new software officially goes on sale August 24,
1995.
This use of non-Microsoft labor throws a new wrinkle in any judge's
desire to punish Microsoft by ordering the software recalled. If a judge
issues such an order it could cause serious financial losses for those
companies. He could well issue an order stopping the further manufacture
of Windows 95 with the Microsoft Network option included, but my bet is he
won't stop the software already produced.
In other Windows 95 news.....I recently gave a Windows 95
demonstration at Ranger Junior College to a group of educators and public
librarians. Representative John Cook spoke first about telecommunications
regulation in Texas and Mark Ansboury from the Department of Information
Resources (DIR) spoke about the services provided by that state agency.
I showed how Windows 95 is a very stable operating system. Previously
I loaded huge computer files that caused a Pentium machine (a 90 megahertz
machine with 32 Megabytes of RAM) to fail using the older version of
Windows. Then I showed how the same files would easily load on a
low-powered 486 machine.
Next I showed clips of famous art I downloaded from the Internet. I
made the audience guess who were the authors of the famous works of art.
They got the Mona Lisa right (Da Vinci) and Van Gogh's self-portait was a
snap. Escher and Rembrandt were also fairly easy for this educated
bunch. But they struggled a little as I successively displayed famous
works of art by Botticelli, Matisse, Miro, Van Ecyk, Ernst, and Dorothea
Tanning (the American wife of surrealist Max Ernst).
The next set of graphics I showed the audience (on a large screen
using an LCD panel hooked to my computer and illuminated by a high-powered
overhead projector) was the Gem and Mineral collection from the
Smithsonian Museum. Included was the crown and earrings Napoleon gave his
wife, rare emeralds, opals, quartz jewels, and brilliant rare sapphires.
Of course the final slide was the famous Hope diamond in all its glory.
Then I showed them some other fabulous graphics I downloaded from the
Internet from a huge Swedish computer network. I had pictures of rare
animals, classic automobiles, the B1 bomber, and famous actors and
actresses. Included were science photos of meteorites, Halley's comet,
the largest petrified tree in Petrified Forest National Park, and a
picture of Buzz Aldrin standing on the moon.
I also had written the day before to my colleagues on the Internet on
the librarian mailing list LM_NET (4,000 librarian and technology support
people from around the world) asking if they would send greetings to the
Ranger workshop. About 70 responded, one from as far away as Guam. I
printed out many of the letters and gave them to the people at the Ranger
workshop. I believe they got a true feel of the power of the Internet
reading those wonderful letters from the great folks on list LM_NET.
There's a lot of brainpower out in cyberspace and I'm glad to be connected
to it.
-30-
Cheers,
Russell Smith
rss...@tenet.edu rssm...@delphi.com
Ed.Tech Consultant Newspaper and Magazine Columnist
Region 14 ESC Abilene, Tx Fax 915.675.8659 Voice 915.675.8647
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From: sro...@mcc.com (Steve Rogers)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 00:11:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Famous homeschoolers
In a previous message, Jon Shemitz said:
>
> Steve Rogers wrote
>
> > I've never had much luck with the line of reasoning "Mr. Famous was
> > homeschooled". People always say "well, that's fine for Mr. Famous, but
> > we're not all geniuses". It seems to emphasize the perception that
> > homeschooling is what exceptional/wierd/extreme/aloof/different/
> > brilliant/etc. people do, rather than the ordinary thing.
>
> But what if you're trying to raise an
> exceptional/wierd/extreme/aloof/different/brilliant/etc child? "A
> leader or a loner, but not a follower."
Well go for it, by all means (though I'm sure Sarah would have some cautions
as to trying to push for a specific *kind* of brilliance) but if that were
the case, then I'd just make a T-shirt that said "I'm raising an exceptional
child" rather than "Einstein was home-schooled".
Steve
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