If you are living in habitial sin, the truth is not in you. But Paul teaches we will stumble on occasion
gabriel
he at times stumbled into sin.
Romans 7:13-25 KJV
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God
forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by
that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become
exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal,
sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that
do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the
law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that
dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no
good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform
that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I
would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it,
but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is
present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the
law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin
which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the
body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with
the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the
law of sin.
We hate sin. We don't want to sin. We do all we can to avoid sin.
And yet, as the apostle Paul wrote, we will stumble and sin at
times anyway. What are we to do?
For starters, what we should *not* do is pretend we didn't sin,
making God a liar, and showing that the truth is not in us.
Instead we should confess it and move on - He is just to forgive
us, and fellowship is restored.
1 John 1:8-2:1 KJV
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and
the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive
us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar,
and his word is not in us.
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye
sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father,
Jesus Christ the righteous:
But you must be careful. If you are now living in sin hardly
different than you were before you believe you were saved, the
truth is you were never saved at all and the truth is not yet in
you. This is what the Greek words mean that talk about "he that
*committeth* [this means over and over just like before] ... "
just like "he that *doeth* righteousness.." is translated from
the same Greek word. You don't do one act of righteousness there
either - it's talking about over and over again.
1 John 3:7-10 KJV
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
"Doeth" - means over and over again here. " ... doeth
righteousness ... "
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil
sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was
manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
"Committeth" is from the same Greek word as "doeth" in the
previous verse. It's whoever continues in sin as before, over and
over again. "He that comitteth sin [over and over again] ... "
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed
remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Again, cannot willingly sin over and over again.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the
children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not
of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
At times God will not like when we sin, will know that we are
falling away from Him, and will chastise us to help gets us on
track of growing closer to Him. If Christians lived perfectly
sinless lives, obeying God all the time, no one would ever be
chastised. But the Bible promises that every believer will be
chastised. It's yet another sign that, when put together with
other signs, we can know we are children of God.
Hebrews 12:5-11 KJV
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto
you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of
the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth
every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with
sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are
partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which
corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much
rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their
own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers
of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous,
but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable
fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
If anyone teaches a false doctrine of sinless perfection after
being saved, of being sinless to earn or maintain salvation, one
has only to ask them if they're claiming they are perfectly
sinless. They will dance around the question, and in some cases
lash out against you and never answer it directly. You can point
out the above verses to them out of the bible, but chances are
they are not interested in how the Bible contradicts their false
claims, and will instead ignore them and again attack some more.
But all we can do is offer what God's Word says - it's up to them
if they're going to obey God on the issue or continue to lie and
claim to be perfectly sinless while sinning, making God a liar
and proving the truth is not in them. =(
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gabriel <gabriel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Correct! Good, solid, Scriptural refutation.
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from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
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Bob LeChevalier
>We hate sin. We don't want to sin. We do all we can to avoid sin.
>And yet, as the apostle Paul wrote, we will stumble and sin at
>times anyway. What are we to do?
Stop posting off-topic drivel to k12.chat.teacher, of course!
Go, and sin no more.
lojbab
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Wild Bill
" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Many biblical scholars point to the above verses as evidence that the
apostle Paul was a closet homosexual.
Dave Oldridge
news:a25si51pf065flcff...@4ax.com:
>Paul, one of the very disciples chosen by Christ, shows how even
>he at times stumbled into sin.
YOU, on the other hand rush to sin at every opportunity. The sin of
false witness is your pet sin. You excuse it by misinterpreting
scripture but the fact is you WILL NOT obey God.
[snip hypocritical scripture quotes]
>We hate sin. We don't want to sin. We do all we can to avoid sin.
>And yet, as the apostle Paul wrote, we will stumble and sin at
>times anyway. What are we to do?
You manifestly do NOT hate sin. You love your false witness and you love
the demons that inspire it. You cannot be separated from them by reason
and prayer will remain ineffectual as long as your CHOOSE to LIVE IN
SIN!!!
>For starters, what we should *not* do is pretend we didn't sin,
>making God a liar, and showing that the truth is not in us.
>Instead we should confess it and move on - He is just to forgive
>us, and fellowship is restored.
I try NOT to sin. But I do. For eample, people like you are often
successful in inciting anger in me when what I should be doing is praying
for your benighted souls!
>1 John 1:8-2:1 KJV
> 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and
>the truth is not in us.
> 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive
>us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
> 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar,
>and his word is not in us.
> 1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye
>sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father,
>Jesus Christ the righteous:
But YOU deny and repeat your sins--ad nauseum.
>But you must be careful. If you are now living in sin hardly
>different than you were before you believe you were saved, the
>truth is you were never saved at all and the truth is not yet in
>you. This is what the Greek words mean that talk about "he that
>*committeth* [this means over and over just like before] ... "
>just like "he that *doeth* righteousness.." is translated from
>the same Greek word. You don't do one act of righteousness there
>either - it's talking about over and over again.
And, if you adopt a semblance of belief without the real power thereof,
and merely change the types of sins you wallow in, you will still be
lost.
>
>1 John 3:7-10 KJV
> 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
>righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
>
>"Doeth" - means over and over again here. " ... doeth
>righteousness ... "
So why do you continually, even when admonished, continue to do evil?
>
> 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil
>sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was
>manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Well, He has not destroyed them in you, so I would suggest that you
hasten to let Him do His work instead of doing your utmost to preach
heresy and clutch your favorite sins to you breast!
>
>"Committeth" is from the same Greek word as "doeth" in the
>previous verse. It's whoever continues in sin as before, over and
>over again. "He that comitteth sin [over and over again] ... "
>
> 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed
>remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
>
>Again, cannot willingly sin over and over again.
Yet that is exactly what we see you doing!
>
> 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the
>children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not
>of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
>
>At times God will not like when we sin, will know that we are
>falling away from Him, and will chastise us to help gets us on
>track of growing closer to Him. If Christians lived perfectly
>sinless lives, obeying God all the time, no one would ever be
>chastised. But the Bible promises that every believer will be
>chastised. It's yet another sign that, when put together with
>other signs, we can know we are children of God.
You don't even TRY. In fact, you seem to be unhappy UNLESS you are
sinning.
This is why WE (not you heretics) have the sacrament of reconciliation
(confession).
But then your cult is actually a bibliolatrous agency of Satan, DESIGNED
to keep you sinning your entire life! They feed you the lies and you
regurgitate them, clearly caring not that they ARE LIES.
--
Dave Oldridge+
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Michael Christ
Oh well, we'll all just settle for 'occasional' sin then because it has
Gabriel and Randy approval.
You're both deluded, and absolutely mad to think God can be conned.
I keep telling you Gabriel, there is no justification for sin anywhere in
scripture, and no amount of humanistic scripture sculpturing is going to
change that.
Listen to me very carefully.
Your little flurry of scripture with personal comments is about one thing
and one thing only.................
.........................it is all about you trying
to...justify...your...sin.
Its make me sick to read it.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
>>We hate sin. We don't want to sin. We do all we can to avoid sin.
>>And yet, as the apostle Paul wrote, we will stumble and sin at
>>times anyway. What are we to do?
Bob wrote:
> Stop posting off-topic drivel to k12.chat.teacher, of course!
>
> Go, and sin no more.
Hahahahahahaha...
Jesus said that, but it has been since discounted in Gabriel/Randy sin
justification theology.
Michael Christ