Safe to paint picky people's homes with air sprayer?
ississauga
builder asked if I want to paint the house he is building but was
surprised I paint with an airless sprayer. He thought painting is
always done with rollers.
Will the airless not paint as good as rollers do? These custom homes
are purchased by picky rich people from what I heard, so will the
paint job not be of a high quality when I am done? Are there things I
can do to improve the quality while using an airless?
lightbulb
prime the drywall; you can do the whole house in a day. Spray the trim
package with oil if it's painted...you'll get a factory-like finish if your
prep was good. Make sure your prep is impeccable as a spray finish will
make any imperfections stand out, esp. extra and/or crappy looking caulk and
nail holes that aren't filled properly. Keep in mind that the amount of
masking is incredible when spraying anything. SW sells flake resistant
plastic that you should use when spraying. Nothing ruins a good spray job
like paint flakes from your plastic. Spraying trim is standard protocol on
all the high end custom homes around here. Cut and roll the walls when its
time to paint them. When you mask your trim, leave the caulk showing. That
way your lines will be straight and you will have the solid wood to tape to,
as taping to caulk will result in much more paint getting under your tape
and horrible lines...which leads to a very aggravating cleaning and touching
up process. The neat thing with oil paint being used for the trim is that
you can very easily remove latex paint with denatured alcohol. On the plus
side, for all your attention to detail, you can charge $2.50-$3 more per sq.
ft. than on some 1500 sq. ft. ranch. If your builder has never seen sprayed
trim, he needs to start looking around a bit more at what other people are
doing. High-end builders around here insist on it.
Mike
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xrongor
if you are concerned at all about 'picky rich people' i would simply pass on
the job. no matter what you do they may not be satisfied....
randy
lightbulb
In The Best Possible Way That Could Keep You From Eating Many Thousands Of
Dollars: If you don't have the experience to already have a game plan
before starting a high end custom home then you shouldn't try painting one
on your own. Guaranteed, you'll underbid, take too long, and end up
frustrated if you don't have the background and crew. You won't pull it off
with the 2nd cousin you haven't seen in 10 years and the two guys he met in
the drunk tank over the weekend. Around here, reputation is everything.
The painting market is oversaturated. Builders don't give second chances to
new companies very often. There is a world of differenct between a house
belonging to a "picky rich person" and a 1300 Sq.Ft. repaint. My advice to
you is to explain your experience very clearly to this builder (who sounds
like he could use a good "explaining to" with regard to painting) and do a
couple easy things for him first. Never let a good builder go if you think
you can meet his demands. Work your way to the top, don't try jumping
there. At the very least, hire a foreman who has run a crew on high end new
construction jobs. Get advice from as many local sources as possible before
bidding. This can be as true for exteriors as well as interiors.
Mike <-----doesn't want to offend, just to warn
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RickyE
got more money now" people who think the world should kneel at their feet.
Just like when I go to the carwash. It's so funny. The owners of BMW 7
series, Mercedes S series, and other $65,000+ cars just get their cars and
go. The owners of "mid-luxury" cars do a walkaround and start pointing out
every nit and nat they can find and demand that the carhop quickly redo
their cars. Go figure--must seem like they have a sense of entitlement,
doesn't it?
Ricky
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D. Gerasimatos
RickyE <nos...@earthlink.nospam> wrote:
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>Oh, those "picky rich people". I wonder if it's really those newly "I've
>got more money now" people who think the world should kneel at their feet.
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>Just like when I go to the carwash. It's so funny. The owners of BMW 7
>series, Mercedes S series, and other $65,000+ cars just get their cars and
>go. The owners of "mid-luxury" cars do a walkaround and start pointing out
>every nit and nat they can find and demand that the carhop quickly redo
>their cars. Go figure--must seem like they have a sense of entitlement,
>doesn't it?
Those other people are leasing and will be in a new car in a year or two.
Some of us actually plan on keeping our cars. *REALLY* picky people wash
their cars themselves.
Dimitri
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G. Morgan wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:33:01 -0700 "David"
> used 16 lines of text to write in newsgroup: alt.home.repair
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> -Graham
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> Remove the 'snails' from my email
Jeff Cochran
wrote:
First, if you're asking these questions you're really not qualified
for the job.
Most painters will backroll a sprayed finish on a standard drywall.
Quality materials, quality prep and exacting technique are what
improve the quality of the job, and most tools can be used
interchangably if you have perfected the use of the tool you choose.
Locally, high end homes will be sprayed for both primer and finish
coats, and backrolled. Some woodwork will be sprayed with an airless
or HVLP setup, especially lacquered finishes that are locally popular
in fine cabinetry areas, but much of it is still brushwork.
Of course locally, after your masterful work the faux artist comes in
and covers it up anyway.. :)
Jeff
v
>Those other people are leasing and will be in a new car in a year or two.
>
No always. There is indeed something else going on here, also. An
acquaintance had the valet parking concession at a REALLY high end
event every year. The really rich folks, even those with classic cars
that were not likely leased, didn't have a qualm about having their
cars parked.
OTOH the few hoi polloi driving old bombs were the most irate, snotty
and suspicious, and didn't want anyone else touching their cars. I've
seen it myself - my teen stepson refused to go to events at a certain
club (not ours, a relative's) with his crappy Hyundai, when he heard
that there was valet parking there. I do not lease cars, yet I have
been to events there several times.
Well, this is getting OT.
-v.
D. Gerasimatos
>
>No always. There is indeed something else going on here, also. An
>acquaintance had the valet parking concession at a REALLY high end
>event every year. The really rich folks, even those with classic cars
>that were not likely leased, didn't have a qualm about having their
>cars parked.
>
>OTOH the few hoi polloi driving old bombs were the most irate, snotty
>and suspicious, and didn't want anyone else touching their cars. I've
>seen it myself - my teen stepson refused to go to events at a certain
>club (not ours, a relative's) with his crappy Hyundai, when he heard
>that there was valet parking there. I do not lease cars, yet I have
>been to events there several times.
How did this get from car washing to valet parking? The point I was trying
to make is that supremely wealthy people don't *have* to care. A
coworker's friend drives a $300K Bentley and some uninsured idiot hit him
causing $10K in damage. He didn't even attempt to litigate. ("Can't
squeeze blood from a turnip.") He just paid to fix the car. $10K is no
big deal to *him*. It's not that the wealthy people trust valets more or
trust car washes more. It's that they can handle whatever problems may
result, including (if it comes to it) litigation. You can bet your
bottom dollar that the guy who has to save for a few years to even
*finance* the Corvette he intends to drive for the next 15 years is going to
be much more irate when a valet/car wash scratches the hell out of it
in his first year of ownership.
There are lots of reasons people in expensive cars don't care as much
in addition to being wealthy enough to afford problems:
1. They want to be seen getting out of the car. Likewise, people in
beaters often *do not* want to be seen getting out of the car.
2. They don't want to look cheap by driving a $300K car and avoiding
a valet fee.
3. They want someone to watch over the car rather than park it on the
street. People in beaters don't really care if the car is on the
street.
4. They can afford it. Yes, sometimes poor people freak out when they have
to pay $20 + tip to park. That doesn't make them bad people.
5. Convenience. Walking through downtown in a fur coat and dripping in
diamonds isn't their idea of fun. The guy in khakis and loafers with a
plastic watch doesn't care as much.
There are probably more reasons.
Dimitri
vjp...@at.biostrategist.dot.dot.com
I had a classmate in prep school whose German-born dad painted rich
folks homes - and got premium bucks for being meticulous - even got
written up in the NY Times for it. For most of my life, my godfather
(who spent half his ten navy years painting - that's what navy folks
do when bored) did a spotless job painting our house. Now he's old and
since he wouldn't let me learn, I make a mess. What I do recall tho,
is he used to drain the brush excessively. Of course, I use a sponge
spreader and finish ten times faster than he did.
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Gwen...@gmail.com
but it seems that there are some here who are knowledgable regarding
airless sprayers.
I recently bought the house next door for rental income. It has two
units that both need painting. I also hope to purchase more property
in the next couple of years. The tenents will not be super picky rich
people, nor will they be very low end. Pretty smack dab middle, about
$600 a month for a two bedroom. Here in Albany, there a lot of up and
coming young professionals, who come and go with the current
administration or sooner. I expext that average turnover would be
arournd two years.
So, is it practicle for me to buy a sprayer, and how much do I need to
spend. I've seen them from $20 to close to a thousand. I've got no
problem spending the lower end, but would hesitate before spending much
more.
Does it take a lot of practice? And if I am only going to do two units
once every couple of years is it worth it? Any suggestions on brands
or models, etc?
Regarding valet parking, I'd never let anyone park my car because I'd
be too embaressed at the smell of the spoiled milk soaked car seat and
my fast food wrappers on the floor. Plus I'm way too cheap to pay for
it.
Gwen