Self Suficient?
Vandy Terre
food could survive with out electricity? Or how would you cook it if the
electric and gas were cut?
Do you have alternative lighting solutions? Candles, oil lanterns, flash
lights? How many day's worth do you hold? Could you last a week?
How would you survive heat or cold without electric or gas? Do you know how to
build a fire in a fireplace or even have a fireplace? Do you know that a damp
rag worn on the back of the neck helps the body loose heat?
Patricia Martin Steward
<va...@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote:
>
>How would you survive heat or cold without electric or gas? Do you know how to
>build a fire in a fireplace or even have a fireplace? Do you know that a damp
>rag worn on the back of the neck helps the body loose heat?
Do you know that "lose" only has one O?
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Rod Speed
> How long can you survive in your home with the food on hand?
Likely the best part of a year.
> How much of that food could survive with out electricity?
Maybe 20% of it.
> Or how would you cook it if the electric and gas were cut?
Light a fire using the wood from my trees.
> Do you have alternative lighting solutions?
No, I dont bother with those. When camping etc I just go to bed when it gets dark etc.
> Candles, oil lanterns,
Nope.
> flash lights?
Yes, rechargable and they come on auto so you can find then when the power fails.
> How many day's worth do you hold?
An infite number of days because I would go to bed once it got dark.
I used to do that when camping.
> Could you last a week?
Years.
> How would you survive heat or cold without electric or gas?
I use a 9 blanket 100% down doona/quilt in winter and dont need
any electricity or gas. I dont heat the house with either in the winter.
I'd just put up with the heat in summer, like I did 40 years ago.
> Do you know how to build a fire in a fireplace
Yep.
> or even have a fireplace?
Nope, but I could build one if I decided I wanted to have one.
I built the entire house after all.
> Do you know that a damp rag worn on the back of the neck helps the body loose heat?
Yep, but I never bothered with that when I had no swamp cooler. LIved like that for years.
Waldo
Derald <der...@invalid.net> wrote:
> Vandy Terre <va...@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote:
>
> >How long can you survive in your home with the food on hand?
> Indefinite. Have a productive year 'round garden predominately of OP
> "heirlooms" with viable seed stored for future use -- I rotate and use the
> "old"
> seed stock first. Also have off-grid water source. I'm a original "mother's
> children" and married a kindred spirit. Still have the first 14 years of
> TMEN.
> >
> > How much of that food could survive with out electricity?
> Lots.
> >
> >Or how would you cook it if the electric and gas were cut?
> On the same LP "bottled" gas stove we use daily. Again, have a reasonable
> stockpile of fuel for future use. When that runs out, then we'll cook on the
> same wood-burning heater that provides wintertime heat.
> >
> >Do you have alternative lighting solutions? Candles, oil lanterns, flash
> >lights?
> All of the above. Conventional and LED flash lights; candles; oil lanterns
> with spare wicks; LP lanterns with spare mantles. Direct solar-powerd
> lighting
> is next as soon as I can get reasonable light output/dollar.
> >
> > How many day's worth do you hold?
> Lots
> >
> >Could you last a week?
> Easily
> >
> >How would you survive heat or cold without electric or gas? Do you know how
> >to
> >build a fire in a fireplace or even have a fireplace?
> Same way I do now. I'm in Florida. Never had and don't like air
> conditioning. Heating requirements are light and are met 100% with wood but
> not
> in a fireplace. Fireplaces are great for the movies and for home decorator
> magazine photos but are far too inefficient for practical use. I use an
> airtight
> wood-fired heater that draws its combustion air from outside. I have a large
> stockpile of split hardwood on hand. Although I use a chainsaw to harvest and
> buck the trees but I have and can use the human-powered tools to replace the
> chainsaw. I split all of the firewood with an axe. I split a little bit every
> morning while listening to NPR's "morning edition" (keeps me from talking
> back
> to the idjits) before beginning gardening. Helps keep me "in shape". The
> people
> I hear complaining about the heat always seem to be sedentary, overweight,
> under-excercised and, IMO, deserving of their self-inflicted misery.
> >
> > Do you know that a damp rag worn on the back of the neck helps the body
> > loose heat?
> Yeah, but it interferes with gettin' stuff done. Losing heat is what sweat
> is for. I always wear a hat when outside and sometimes saturate it with
> water. I
> believe the cooling effect to be mostly psychological.
> Why the quiz? Been listening to Glenn Beck again? LOL!
MOre power to ya.
Hint; . split wood with a splitting maul.
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> Do you know that "lose" only has one O?
>
so does grammar nozi.
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Vandy Terre <va...@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote:
Why? I cannot imagine a situation where I would need to do that. I can
see where people who might live in a remote area might have that
concern, but if a hurricane struck my area, I would simply leave. I live
in New Jersey just outside of Philadelphia so not in a backwater area
and not prone to natural or manmade disasters.
There are tons of restaurants, grocery stores, etc. in my area, some
well within walking distance. Even when my area was hit by a blizzard
last year, I just put on my shoes and winter clothes and trudged through
the snow to a 24 hour convenience store about a mile away. The store was
open, business as usual, although the stock of the whites (milk, bread,
and eggs) was low.
If my area lost power for an extended period of time, I would simply
pack a few things up and drive across the Delaware River and stay with a
friend or a relative until things were back to normal.
Patricia Martin Steward
<saha...@invalid.com> wrote:
>Patricia Martin Steward <pat...@noteranews.com> wrote in
>news:ah2p37l5u2qldcfg8...@4ax.com:
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>> Do you know that "lose" only has one O?
>
>so does grammar nozi.
It's a marker for a poor education, along with the belief that "a lot"
is actually one word.
Rod Speed
>>> Do you know that "lose" only has one O?
>> so does grammar nozi.
> It's a marker for a poor education,
Nope, its just a market for a mind that doesn't remember shit like that well.
> along with the belief that "a lot" is actually one word.
Anyone ever point out to you that if your vacuum cleaner fails, you can
just take your pants off and scoot around the floor on your lard arse ?
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone ever point out to you that if your vacuum cleaner fails, you can
> just take your pants off and scoot around the floor on your lard arse ?
how does that work for you?
Vandy Terre
>
>Why? I cannot imagine a situation where I would need to do that. I can
>see where people who might live in a remote area might have that
>concern, but if a hurricane struck my area, I would simply leave. I live
>in New Jersey just outside of Philadelphia so not in a backwater area
>and not prone to natural or manmade disasters.
>
>There are tons of restaurants, grocery stores, etc. in my area, some
>well within walking distance. Even when my area was hit by a blizzard
>last year, I just put on my shoes and winter clothes and trudged through
>the snow to a 24 hour convenience store about a mile away. The store was
>open, business as usual, although the stock of the whites (milk, bread,
>and eggs) was low.
>
>If my area lost power for an extended period of time, I would simply
>pack a few things up and drive across the Delaware River and stay with a
>friend or a relative until things were back to normal.
what color and type of flowers do you prefer?
Rod Speed
> The quiz was an attempt to get people to think a little.
The trouble is that its thinking about what very few will ever have to bother with.
Even in the very dramatic floods we had, you never have to go long without power
etc and when you do, you can just do something simple like go to bed when it gets
dark etc.
Rod Speed
Artys
Well, I have been through Katrina and near tornadoes, and my area has
many power outages. Summer heat does not bother me much, but winter
cold does(I wrap up a lot). I went days without light and power
during Katrina okay, and was able to find water eventually. I have a
constant supply of dead tree branches in my yard, if necessary.
Naturally I keep lots of canned goods on hand for food. Beyond a
week, water would be the main problem.
Gordon
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> How long can you survive in your home with the food on hand?
About two or three weeks.
> How much of that food could survive with out electricity?
About half.
> Or how would you cook it if the electric and gas were cut?
Coleman camp stove.
>
> Do you have alternative lighting solutions? Candles, oil lanterns,
> flash lights?
Yes.
> How many day's worth do you hold? Could you last a week?
LED flashlights last a long time on one set of batteries. Yes,
I keep extra batteries on hand.
>
> How would you survive heat or cold without electric or gas?
Cold: build a fire.
Heat: suffer through it. Like I do now.
> Do you know how to build a fire in a fireplace or even have a
> fireplace?
Yes and yes.
> Do you know that a damp rag worn on the back of the neck helps the
> body loose heat?
Um, yes. What's the point to that one?
Rod Speed
>>> The quiz was an attempt to get people to think a little.
>> The trouble is that its thinking about what very few will ever have to bother with.
>> Even in the very dramatic floods we had, you never have to go long
>> without power etc and when you do, you can just do something simple
>> like go to bed when it gets dark etc.
> Well, I have been through Katrina and near tornadoes, and my area has
> many power outages.
Sure, but not for long enough to be more than a nuisance and its
completely trivial to allow for that if they do last a week or more.
I did that all the time when camping etc.
> Summer heat does not bother me much, but winter cold does(I wrap up a lot).
You can always get into bed with a decent down quilt etc.
Again, just a nuisance while it lasts.
> I went days without light and power during Katrina okay,
I go for weeks like that when camping.
> and was able to find water eventually.
Its completely trivial to boil what you can find.
> I have a constant supply of dead tree branches in my yard, if necessary.
Me too
> Naturally I keep lots of canned goods on hand for food.
I dont bother. I do keep quite a bit on hand because I put stuff
on the shopping list when the stock is getting down a bit, thats all.
> Beyond a week, water would be the main problem.
Nope, you can always boil what you can find.
Gordon
> How long can you survive in your home with the food on hand? How much
What would you drink if the water supply became tainted or unavailable?
How would you flush your toilets or dispose of your "waste".
Rod Speed
> Vandy Terre <va...@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote
>> How long can you survive in your home with the food on hand?
>> How much of that food could survive with out electricity?
>> Or how would you cook it if the electric and gas were cut?
>> Do you have alternative lighting solutions? Candles, oil lanterns, flash lights?
>> How many day's worth do you hold? Could you last a week?
>> How would you survive heat or cold without electric or gas?
>> Do you know how to build a fire in a fireplace or even have a fireplace?
>> Do you know that a damp rag worn on the back of the neck helps the body loose heat?
> What would you drink if the water supply became tainted
I'd boil it.
> or unavailable?
Isnt going to happen.
> How would you flush your toilets or dispose of your "waste".
I'd just piss on the trees and shit on the ground and bury it if the worst came to the worst.
I do that when camping anyway.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> you can just do something simple like go to bed when it gets dark etc.
> Or, God forbid, actually talk; LOL!
Yeah, plenty of kids still do that when sleeping over etc.
Vandy Terre
Rain water after boiling if the creek is dry. We are blessed with a small
spring fed creek that runs most of the year, except now. Right now we have
water stored and catch rain water to help water livestock/ gardens.
Rod Speed
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 09:09:11 -0500, Derald <der...@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Vandy Terre <va...@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The quiz was an attempt to get people to think a little.
>> measurable success. Good luck.
>>>
>>> Who is Glenn Beck?
>> In the U.S.A. he is a notorious "conservative" reactionary (and
>> rather
>> silly, IMO) radio/television blowhard who repetitively and
>> consistently warns of impending societal and fiscal Armegeddon.
>> In my view, unless one is located in an _extremely_ remote location,
>> in
>> such event, short-term survivabilty is more likely to be determined
>> by timeliness of exit as well as the amount of motor fuel (and,
>> perhaps, bullets) one can transport. Food stores, fuel stores, trade
>> goods, daughters, and a weapons cache simply will make a more
>> tempting target.
>
> Thank you for the information. I do live in a remote location and
> tend to think in terms of surviving a week minimum with out leaving
> the property. This is a very small sub-division so we are last or
> near last on the list to have electric or telephone lines repaired.
>
> While I am not fond of the blow hards ever announcing the end of the
> world, I truly believe that we are in for a few hard years.
Wont be that hard with 90% employed.
Gordon
Just thought I'd ask.
Around here we are blessed with a long rainy season. One mild rain storm
and I have 120 gals of rain water. Plus, there is about 40 to 50 gals
of potable water in the water heater. I'm actually giving some thought
to using the rain water to flush the toilets by hooking up a Flojet
pump and a 12 volt battery.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
which country has 90% employment?
Bob F
Whatever pump you use, make sure it can supply enough pressure. I have found
that toilets fill very slowly if the pressure drops too low. A pond pump, or
maybe even a sump pump might not do the job. I'd probably choose one with at
least 10-20 psi output pressure.
Gordon
>> Around here we are blessed with a long rainy season. One mild rain
>> storm and I have 120 gals of rain water. Plus, there is about 40 to
>> 50 gals of potable water in the water heater. I'm actually giving
>> some thought to using the rain water to flush the toilets by hooking
>> up a Flojet pump and a 12 volt battery.
>
> Whatever pump you use, make sure it can supply enough pressure. I have
> found that toilets fill very slowly if the pressure drops too low. A
> pond pump, or maybe even a sump pump might not do the job. I'd
> probably choose one with at least 10-20 psi output pressure.
FloJet pumps are used in marine and RV aplications. Most can
produce 40psi or better.
Gordon
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>>I truly believe that we are in for a few hard years.
> How hard can they be with a nearly 90% employment rate?
Sure. But what kind of employment? Even thought there may be
90% employment, that doesn't count the discouraged workers
who have stopped looking. Nor does it acount for the under-
employed workers who are in survival jobs earning half of
what they did a few years ago.
90% employment for sure. But half of those jobs are
at minimum wage or only a little better.
Rod Speed
> Derald <der...@invalid.net> wrote
>>> I truly believe that we are in for a few hard years.
>> How hard can they be with a nearly 90% employment rate?
> Sure. But what kind of employment? Even thought there may be
> 90% employment, that doesn't count the discouraged workers
> who have stopped looking. Nor does it acount for the under-
> employed workers who are in survival jobs earning half of
> what they did a few years ago.
The number only changes by about 1 digit when those are included.
> 90% employment for sure. But half of those
> jobs are at minimum wage or only a little better.
That is just plain wrong.
Gordon
@mid.individual.net:
No, it's true.
47% of American families paid no income tax in 2009 (the last year
that I have figures for). To be in the zero tax bracket you have
to be making less than $35,000 a year (it depends on your fileing
status). Also the number of food stamp reciepients is way up. You
have to make $12.00 per hour or less to recieve food stamps.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
And your proof of this is?
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> I truly believe that we are in for a few hard years.
>>>> How hard can they be with a nearly 90% employment rate?
>>> Sure. But what kind of employment? Even thought there may be
>>> 90% employment, that doesn't count the discouraged workers
>>> who have stopped looking. Nor does it acount for the under-
>>> employed workers who are in survival jobs earning half of
>>> what they did a few years ago.
>> The number only changes by about 1 digit when those are included.
>>> 90% employment for sure. But half of those
>>> jobs are at minimum wage or only a little better.
>> That is just plain wrong.
> No, it's true.
Like hell it is.
> 47% of American families paid no income tax
> in 2009 (the last year that I have figures for).
Yes, but thats a separate matter entirely to that lie of your just above.
> To be in the zero tax bracket you have to be making less
> than $35,000 a year (it depends on your fileing status).
And thats nothing like your lie just above.
> Also the number of food stamp reciepients is way up.
But is nothing even remotely resembling about half of those employed.
It isnt anything like half of the total population either.
Try 45M in May 2011.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supplemental_Nutrition_Assistance_Program
Its hardly surprising that its increase substantially
given that the unemployment rate has almost doubled.
> You have to make $12.00 per hour or less to recieve food stamps.
Its more complicated than that too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deduction_(food_stamps)
CanopyCo
Food stamps for a person with a monthly income of $600 from being
retired of disabled, rent or $300, and utilities of $50 will get $139
in food stamps.
Food stamps for a person with a monthly income of $750 from being
retired or disabled, rent of $175, and utilities of $50 will get $19
in food stamps.
And as far as unemployment is concerned, the construction trade is
gone and all the people that is supported are out of work.
People that normally never did anything less than construction
superintendant over new builds and remodels is now forced to work as a
working foreman or be unemployed.
Contracts that once paid 50% over cost is now being turned down when
offering to do a job at 5% over cost.
Jobs like fork lift operator that once paid $12 a hour with benefits
now pays $8 a hour with no benefits at all.
You can stick your head up your ass all you want, but it just makes
you look like a dumb ass.
Unemployment is up, and those that are employed are often employed far
below their normal earning potential.
Often due to lack of jobs, but just as often due to the job now paying
half of what it did just a few years ago.
You want proof?
Pull your head out of your ass and call a temp service and ask them if
the jobs now pay less than they did 10 years ago.
Rod Speed
> Gordon <go...@alltomyself.com> wrote
>> ...that doesn't count the discouraged workers who have stopped looking.
> Then, by definition, there is no confirmation that such people exist
> much less how many might exist.
Thats not right. They count those with surveys.
>> Nor does it acount for the under-employed workers who are
>> in survival jobs earning half of what they did a few years ago.
> Baloney. The whole notion of "under-employment" is economists' and
> propagandists' fiction. There are only "over extended" and "over leveraged".
Nope, someone who only works say 20 hours a week because their employer
doesnt choose to pay them for more work than that is underemployed.
Just how many are in that situation is a separate question.
>> 90% employment for sure. But half of those jobs
>> are at minimum wage or only a little better.
> Although, that assertion often is parroted by popular "news" sources,
> I have seen no data from axe-free sources to support it. AFAIK, no
> means exists to collect and confirm such information.
Corse there is, most obviously with the tax system that has that info.
> As far as I can determine, It only comes from folks
> with an iron in the fire and an election to win.
And his claim that its the majority is a bare faced lie.
Rod Speed
> Here is a little real world for you guys.
Nothing like the real world for most.
> Food stamps for a person with a monthly income of $600 from being
> retired of disabled, rent or $300, and utilities of $50 will get $139
> in food stamps.
> Food stamps for a person with a monthly income of $750 from being
> retired or disabled, rent of $175, and utilities of $50 will get $19
> in food stamps.
> And as far as unemployment is concerned, the construction trade is
> gone and all the people that is supported are out of work.
Thats a gross exaggeration of the real world.
> People that normally never did anything less than construction
> superintendant over new builds and remodels is now forced to
> work as a working foreman or be unemployed.
Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it.
> Contracts that once paid 50% over cost is now being
> turned down when offering to do a job at 5% over cost.
Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it.
> Jobs like fork lift operator that once paid $12 a hour
> with benefits now pays $8 a hour with no benefits at all.
Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it.
> You can stick your head up your ass all you want, but it just makes
> you look like a dumb ass.
Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there child.
> Unemployment is up,
Corse it is, its close to doubled, but there are STILL 90% who are no unemployed.
> and those that are employed are often employed far below their normal earning potential.
The bubble in the construction industry is nothing even remotely resembling anything like normal.
You're stupid enough to not even notice that there was a bubble ?
You get to wear the downsides of choosing to work in a bubble industry.
> Often due to lack of jobs, but just as often due to the job now paying
> half of what it did just a few years ago.
Only in a few bubble industrys.
> You want proof?
> Pull your head out of your ass and call a temp service and
> ask them if the jobs now pay less than they did 10 years ago.
That the inevitable result of the clowns being allowed to
completely implode the entire world financial system, again.
You dont like that ? Dont let it happen again, stupid.