Siding vs. painting the house
aesthete8
Won't it eliminate the need to paint the house forever?
The Henchman
"aesthete8" <art...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Over the long term, isn't siding a better investment?
>
> Won't it eliminate the need to paint the house forever?
On my street there is a mix of wood siding and vinyl siding homes. The wood
siding homes were fetching about $20 000 to $30 000 CDN more than the vinyl
siding in my town this fall when were were looking for a house to buy. It's
tough to come up with fair number because the wood siding houses seemed to
be owned by people who took better care of their homes and added upgrades to
their homes inside the house too. But the vinyl siding homes we saw lacked
modern upgrades indoors and I believe this was because the homeowners that
had vinyl were less likely to invest in their homes as a whole, or were not
handy
Yes wood takes time and work to maintain but when done right adds more value
in my town. All homes in my immediate subdivision were built in 1967 and
1968 and most are of a same design side-split 52' x 26' bungalow. All these
homes were built with wood siding on the second storey part. Any homes on
my street with vinyl have had that vinyl dising added on in the 80's or 90's
or now.
We deliberately purchased a house that needs more elbow grease because when
done right, elbow grease gives greater returns. Part of that elbow grease
will be maintaining wood siding but we believe it'll be a better investment.
The Henchman
"The Henchman" <y...@yup.org> wrote in message
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>
BTW I compare wood siding with vinyl siding cause in my part of Canada,
vinyl is the choice of siding about 75% of the time
Rod Speed
> Over the long term, isn't siding a better investment?
Nope, bricks are even better again.
> Won't it eliminate the need to paint the house forever?
Bricks in spades.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<7ue96d...@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
So when a person asks "is A better than
B" you are too pignorant to answer their
question?
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
> aesthete8 wrote:
Actually cementacious siding is cheaper,
easier to install and much easier to
maintain and repair, but who cares about
facts?
Hell, even cultured stone or stone
veneer would be better, cheaper, etc
than bricks.
Rod Speed
I answered their question, fuckwit child.
Rod Speed
> In article
> <7ue96d...@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> aesthete8 wrote:
>>
>>> Over the long term, isn't siding a better investment?
>>
>> Nope, bricks are even better again.
>>
>>> Won't it eliminate the need to paint the house forever?
>>
>> Bricks in spades.
> Actually cementacious siding is cheaper, easier to
> install and much easier to maintain and repair,
Pity about what it does to the value of the house, fuckwit child.
> Hell, even cultured stone or stone veneer would be better, cheaper, etc than bricks.
Pity about what it does to the value of the house, fuckwit child.
Vic Smith
wrote:
>Over the long term, isn't siding a better investment?
>
>Won't it eliminate the need to paint the house forever?
You can do the math by getting siding and painting estimates.
I've never had siding myself, but have dealt with painting wood
clapboard. Since I painted it myself, it was cheaper to keep it.
If I had a clapboard house long-term I would probably get it vinyl
sided.
Another post mentioned sided vs non-sided home values.
When I was house-hunting I rejected wood-sided houses out-of-hand,
because I know the hassle of maintaining them.
Besides needing painting, wood siding is prone to splitting and
rotting.
Aside from "esthetics," there are other issues to consider.
Aluminum siding can get dinging, requiring repair/replacement
Vinyl may fade - I don't know that, but I suspect you better get high
quality vinyl if you want it to work long-term.
Color. You can change paint color, but that's back to esthetics.
Some vinyl sidings offer insulation value.
It's really hard to talk about "long-term investment" value until you
run the numbers.
One other thing I might mention is "peace of mind."
As soon as your house looks like it will need painting, even if it can
hang on for 3 years. you'll be thinking your house needs painting -
for 3 years.
Went through that with my painted house, and with the wood windows in
my current brick house.
Their need of painting was nagging me for years. I didn't paint them.
Bothered me for a few years, then I decided to get thermal, vinyl
windows put in. The only time I think of window maintenance now is
when I think how those wood windows were always bothering me.
Should be somebody posting here with actual vinyl experience.
If not, try the DIY and home groups. Google.
--Vic
jeff
> Over the long term, isn't siding a better investment?
>
> Won't it eliminate the need to paint the house forever?
Maybe, maybe it will need replacing too, if it fades or you don't
like the color.
Whatever you do, use good products. Paint is so labor intensive, and
good paints these days can last for decades, putting on cheap paint is
not frugal. I know, I've done it. I'd say that if your siding is in good
shape, repaint it. If not, think over the alternatives.
The vinyl siding I see usually covers up something really bad!
Jeff
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<7uevok...@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> > In article
> > <7ue96d...@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> aesthete8 wrote:
> >>
> >>> Over the long term, isn't siding a better investment?
> >>
> >> Nope, bricks are even better again.
> >>
> >>> Won't it eliminate the need to paint the house forever?
> >>
> >> Bricks in spades.
>
> > Actually cementacious siding is cheaper, easier to
> > install and much easier to maintain and repair,
>
> Pity about what it does to the value of the house, fuckwit child.
Ah, I see. Because someone adds
something that is cheaper, easier to
install and much easier to maintain and
repair, that somehow in your mind lowers
(I assume you are implying a lowered
value) the value of the house.
So in the name of letting you hang
yourself even further old fella, why not
post some anecdotal evidence that this
is true.
>
> > Hell, even cultured stone or stone veneer would be better, cheaper, etc
> > than bricks.
>
> Pity about what it does to the value of the house, fuckwit child.
Ah, I see. Because someone adds
something that is cheaper, easier to
install and much easier to maintain and
repair, that somehow in your mind lowers
(I assume you are implying a lowered
value) the value of the house.
So in the name of letting you hang
yourself even further old fella, why not
post some anecdotal evidence that this
is true.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<7uevls...@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> > In article
> > <7ue96d...@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> aesthete8 wrote:
> >>
> >>> Over the long term, isn't siding a better investment?
> >>
> >> Nope, bricks are even better again.
> >>
> >>> Won't it eliminate the need to paint the house forever?
> >>
> >> Bricks in spades.
> >
> > So when a person asks "is A better than
> > B" you are too pignorant to answer their
> > question?
>
> I answered their question, fuckwit child.
As your answer didn't include anything
about siding or paint, no you didn't old
fella
James
I grew up in a house with wood siding. As one of 5 boys, we were up
there periodically to repaint a two story house.
What convinced my parents to switch was not the maintenance, but the
fact that when we replaced the wood with vinyl we could easily upgrade
the insulation and weather seal at the same time. It was less work to
put up the vinyl than to put the wood siding back after insulating.
James
Rod Speed
> In article
> <7uevok...@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <7ue96d...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> aesthete8 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Over the long term, isn't siding a better investment?
>>>>
>>>> Nope, bricks are even better again.
>>>>
>>>>> Won't it eliminate the need to paint the house forever?
>>>>
>>>> Bricks in spades.
>>
>>> Actually cementacious siding is cheaper, easier to
>>> install and much easier to maintain and repair,
>>
>> Pity about what it does to the value of the house, fuckwit child.
<reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
>>> Hell, even cultured stone or stone veneer would be better, cheaper,
>>> etc than bricks.
>>
>> Pity about what it does to the value of the house, fuckwit child.
<reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
Rod Speed
> In article
> <7uevls...@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <7ue96d...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> aesthete8 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Over the long term, isn't siding a better investment?
>>>>
>>>> Nope, bricks are even better again.
>>>>
>>>>> Won't it eliminate the need to paint the house forever?
>>>>
>>>> Bricks in spades.
>>>
>>> So when a person asks "is A better than
>>> B" you are too pignorant to answer their
>>> question?
>>
>> I answered their question, fuckwit child.
Bob F
Speed never contributes anything of use. Just block him like just about everyone
else here does.
Gene S. Berkowitz
thismaila...@comcast.net says...
In my real estate market, vinyl siding can negatively affect the
price, because the prospective buyer is (reasonably) concerned
about what's underneath.
Vinyl is often applied when the original siding has failed,
either due to age, or lack of maintenance. And often it is
covering shingles containing asbestos, which requires a very
expensive removal procedure.
--Gene
Vic Smith
<first...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>In my real estate market, vinyl siding can negatively affect the
>price, because the prospective buyer is (reasonably) concerned
>about what's underneath.
>
>Vinyl is often applied when the original siding has failed,
>either due to age, or lack of maintenance. And often it is
>covering shingles containing asbestos, which requires a very
>expensive removal procedure.
>
I never got to the point of having a vinyl clad home inspected, and
never thought of that.
Don't believe it would concern me much, as bound asbestos shingles
usually don't present a disposal problem.
But you do raise a point of concern.
I have seen badly sided homes - waviness, gapped fittings - but I
don't really know how the surface if prepped for vinyl cladding.
As with any expensive work, you have to get some basic knowledge.
Most vinyl siding I've seen looks better than the original wood, maybe
because my experience with wood sees the flaws of multi-layered paint
and splitting, popped nails, etc. I could just be prejudiced.
I really hate seeing anything that spells water/weather intrusion.
My last 2 homes have been brick, and both required tuckpointing, so
there is no panacea. But tuckpointing lasts decades.
The rough brick isn't much more work than a good prepping/painting of
wood is, but I've hired pros to do the face brick.
--Vic
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<hlulnp$9sj$1...@news.eternal-september.org
>,
"Bob F" <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:
Why? he dances so well
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<7ug3mi...@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Over the long term, isn't siding a better investment?
> >>>>
> >>>> Nope, bricks are even better again.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Won't it eliminate the need to paint the house forever?
> >>>>
> >>>> Bricks in spades.
> >>>
> >>> So when a person asks "is A better than
> >>> B" you are too pignorant to answer their
> >>> question?
> >>
> >> I answered their question, fuckwit child.
As your answer didn't include anything
about siding or paint, no you didn't old
fella
>
>
> <reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where
> it belongs>
I'm sorry old fella that you feel
compelled to surrender so easily, I was
just beginning to enjoy your discomfort
Bob F
Not really.
Rod Speed
> In article
> <hlulnp$9sj$1...@news.eternal-september.org
>> ,
> "Bob F" <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <7uevok...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hell, even cultured stone or stone veneer would be better,
>>>>> cheaper, etc than bricks.
>>>>
>>>> Pity about what it does to the value of the house, fuckwit child.
<reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
Rod Speed
> In article
> <7ug3mi...@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Over the long term, isn't siding a better investment?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, bricks are even better again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Won't it eliminate the need to paint the house forever?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bricks in spades.
>>>>>
>>>>> So when a person asks "is A better than
>>>>> B" you are too pignorant to answer their
>>>>> question?
>>>>
>>>> I answered their question, fuckwit child.
<reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<7ugqud...@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> > In article
> > <7ug3mi...@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Over the long term, isn't siding a better investment?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nope, bricks are even better again.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Won't it eliminate the need to paint the house forever?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bricks in spades.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So when a person asks "is A better than
> >>>>> B" you are too pignorant to answer their
> >>>>> question?
> >>>>
> >>>> I answered their question, fuckwit child.
As your answer didn't include anything
about siding or paint, no you didn't old
fella
>
>
> <reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where
> it belongs>
I'm sorry old fella that you feel
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<7ugqtf...@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> > In article
> > <hlulnp$9sj$1...@news.eternal-september.org
> >> ,
> > "Bob F" <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>> In article
> >>> <7uevok...@mid.individual.net>,
> >>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>> Hell, even cultured stone or stone veneer would be better,
> >>>>> cheaper, etc than bricks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Pity about what it does to the value of the house, fuckwit child.
Ah, I see. Because someone adds
something that is cheaper, easier to
install and much easier to maintain and
repair, that somehow in your mind lowers
(I assume you are implying a lowered
value) the value of the house.
So in the name of letting you hang
yourself even further old fella, why not
post some anecdotal evidence that this
is true.
>
> > Hell, even cultured stone or stone veneer would be better, cheaper, etc
> > than bricks.
>
> Pity about what it does to the value of the house, fuckwit child.
Ah, I see. Because someone adds
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<hlv7b9$ngj$1...@news.eternal-september.org
Okay, maybe I should have added "for
someone so mentally challenged"
Larry Caldwell
01097d...@f8g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, art...@gmail.com (aesthete8)
says...
> Over the long term, isn't siding a better investment?
>
Properly installed light colored vinyl will last a long time, but not
forever. I installed white premium vinyl on my parents' house in 1983.
They are now in their 90s, and haven't had to worry about painting the
house. I pressure wash it for them once every 2 or 3 years to get the
dust and mildew off of it. There are some water stains near the flower
beds, but mostly behind plants where you can't see it.
Other than new flooring in the kitchen and refinishing the kitchen
cabinets, the interior of the house has not been updated in 30 years.
It's comfortable for an elderly couple and looks good from the street.
It will last them as long as they need it. Any changes can wait for the
next owner. I expect the vinyl to eventually get brittle and start to
break.
White vinyl is much more sun resistant than darker vinyl. I have seen
chocolate brown vinyl go to pot in 5 years. It just gets too hot in
direct sun. Colored vinyls can also turn chalky.
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Kalmia
> Over the long term, isn't siding a better investment?
>
> Won't it eliminate the need to paint the house forever?
How long do you plan to live in that house? When was it last
painted? I need more facts before making a decision. What prices are
you talking about?
That asked, I have never met anyone who was sorry he sided instead of
painted.
aesthete8
> Over the long term, isn't siding a better investment?
>
> Won't it eliminate the need to paint the house forever?
Thanks to all for your quick and informative replies.
Bob F
The people that cared about the look of the house didn't do it. I suspect my
cedar siding will be good for another 80 years.
h
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down before I put vinyl on it. Shudder.
Les Cargill
Cindy Hamilton
> Agreed. I just re-sided my nearly 200 year old house with cedar. I'd burn it
> down before I put vinyl on it. Shudder.
On the other hand, vinyl on the postwar bungalow that was my first
house
would not have made anybody shudder. It was a completely unremarkable
crackerbox, and no exterior improvement would have markedly affected
the value.
My current house is a postwar ranch, veneered three sides with
granite
(and the other side with brick). Built by a stonemason. I wish he'd
popped for granite on the back--that's the side I see the most of.
Still,
I can add on to the back without weeping over hacking up the veneer.
Cindy Hamilton