Healthcare: We helped Germany rebuilt, now let them help us
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
but everything they do seems to please everything I hear from both the
Right and the Left in America!
"Germany has Europe's oldest universal health care system, with
origins dating back to Otto von Bismarck's Social legislation, which
included the Health Insurance Bill of 1883, Accident Insurance Bill of
1884, and Old Age and Disability Insurance Bill of 1889. As mandatory
health insurance, these bills originally applied only to low-income
workers and certain government employees; their coverage, and that of
subsequent legislation gradually expanded to cover virtually the
entire population.[2]
Currently 85% of the population is covered by a basic health insurance
plan provided by statute, which provides a standard level of coverage.
The remainder opt for private health insurance, which frequently
offers additional benefits. According to the World Health
Organization, Germany's health care system was 77% government-funded
and 23% privately funded as of 2004.[3]
The government partially reimburses the costs for low-wage workers,
whose premiums are capped at a predetermined value. Higher wage
workers pay a premium based on their salary. They may also opt for
private insurance, which is generally more expensive"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_Germany
***
And while at it, they can help us with the present state of anarchy on
our roads. I hear it's quite fun to drive there! Actually they have
pretty good bike lanes too, so let the "Germanification" begin. (Is
that a word?)
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THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
"Non illegitimus carborundum."
(Don't let the bastards grind you down.)
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu
> Shit in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one filles up faster.
Shit flies like boomerang, then wishes come back.
Rod Speed
> Well, I don't mean appointing Germans to run the healthcare system,
Just as well, we know what they got up to in their concentration camps etc.
> but everything they do seems to please everything
> I hear from both the Right and the Left in America!
Then you need to get your ears tested.
> "Germany has Europe's oldest universal health care system, with
> origins dating back to Otto von Bismarck's Social legislation, which
> included the Health Insurance Bill of 1883, Accident Insurance Bill
> of 1884, and Old Age and Disability Insurance Bill of 1889.
And then Adolf got a bit carried away with health care for Jews and sundry other untermensh.
> As mandatory health insurance, these bills originally applied
> only to low-income workers and certain government employees;
> their coverage, and that of subsequent legislation gradually
> expanded to cover virtually the entire population.[2]
And then Adolf pulled the plug on the Jews and sundry other untermensh.
> Currently 85% of the population is covered by a basic health insurance
> plan provided by statute, which provides a standard level of coverage.
Pity about the sundry other untermensh.
> The remainder opt for private health insurance, which frequently
> offers additional benefits. According to the World Health
> Organization, Germany's health care system was 77%
> government-funded and 23% privately funded as of 2004.[3]
> The government partially reimburses the costs for low-wage workers,
> whose premiums are capped at a predetermined value. Higher wage
> workers pay a premium based on their salary. They may also opt for
> private insurance, which is generally more expensive"...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_Germany
> ***
> And while at it, they can help us with the present state of
> anarchy on our roads. I hear it's quite fun to drive there!
Not in a Trabant or Warburg it aint.
> Actually they have pretty good bike lanes too,
Not on the autobahn there aint.
> so let the "Germanification" begin. (Is that a word?)
Nope, the word is krautification.
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu
Oh, you still can't forget the Jews, huh? How many documentaries,
movies and museums do we have dedicated to the Holocaust, so that it
doesn't happen again? Well, unless they attack Israel, of course. Then
WWIII will be here and the biggest Holocaust will begin.
By the way, who said they have bike lanes in the Autobahn? Who told
you they drive Trabants? Are they actually worst than little Toyotas?
Are you also going to deny that their beer is better?
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu
> On 2010-04-09, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > And while at it, they can help us with the present state of anarchy on
> > pretty good bike lanes too, so let the "Germanification" begin. (Is
> > that a word?)
>
> 1) We could have proper driving without fascism and socialism in other
> aspects of life.
> 2) While I only saw a small part of extreme northern Germany, the bike
> 'lanes' I saw sucked. They were lanes marked out on the sidewalk! Too
> easy for people on foot to just wander into. However, they had the bike
> sidewalk integrated into the traffic signals. This meant that some of
> the intersection problem with sidewalk riding was removed. Not all
> intersections and driveways had traffic signals which meant the problem
> was still present.
>
> German driving is really a form of courtsey developed for motorized
> transport that scales. Heavy handed enforcement is not required. In
> fact, with little enforcement and little in the way of ticky-tacky laws
> there's a lot less MFFYism.
>
> American driving courtsey is a stupid assbackwards system that is
> loosely based on things people do while walking that demands things
> nobody would do face to face, like allowing someone to cut to the front
> of the line. It encourages MFFY and passive-aggressive behavior.
> When coupled with selective enforcement of all sorts of ticky-tacky
> laws it gets even worse.
>
> The key difference between German driving courtsey and American driving
> courtsey is that in the German version the people behind you are to be
> considered. In American driving there are no people behind you or 'f&@$
> them', they are behind. In German driving courtsey, people wanting to
> turn on to a road wait for a gap to enter the road without interfering
> with the flow of traffic. In american driving courtsey someone
> on the road stops traffic (the other drivers behind don't count) and
> lets a driver on to the road. In German driving courtsey drivers keep
> right except to pass. In American driving nobody should be passing so
> it's ok to block the left lane. In German driving everyone goes when the
> stop light turns green so the drivers at the back of the queue have a
> chance at making the light. In american driving, the people at the back
> can just wait another cycle and drivers are tought to wait 2-3 seconds
> after the driver in front of them has gone before slowly accelerating
> themselves and to let people in from driveways, let people who are in
> the wrong lane cut across, etc and so forth. Essentially acting as if
> the people at the back of queue don't exist or have no value worthy of
> consideration.
>
> Basically, american driving courtsey is socialist, where the those who
> are psychopathic (MFFY), don't plan, lazy, and/or don't pay attention
> catered to and rewarded while those who are responsible pay the price.
> German driving on the other hand is rather libertarian. Often no speed
> limits and other restrictions where the key is not to interfere with
> other people and other people won't interfere with you.
I think if we just remove the 'selfish' ingredient in United Selfish
of America, we could go a long way. Actually people don't realize that
being selfish slows down the whole system, but who cares if you drive
a little Toyota or an SUV. (A little Toyota is never in a hurry, and
the SUV braves his way around.)
There's also other aspects that are also problematic in the USA:
a) drivers merging onto the road often ignore the 'yield' sign, so YOU
must be second guessing and you must do the yielding yourself.
b) drivers park over the pedestrian x-ing and just stay there, forcing
the pedestrians to go around (that sucks!) or climb over the car to
the other side.
c) the cell phone... the fucking cell phone that seems to be an
accessory included with all SUVs and many cars.
SMS
<snip>
> The government partially reimburses the costs for low-wage workers,
> whose premiums are capped at a predetermined value. Higher wage
> workers pay a premium based on their salary. They may also opt for
> private insurance, which is generally more expensive"...
It's not that the U.S. lacks the capability to do this, it's that it
lacks the will to do it.
What would make the most sense is to slowly expand Medicare to cover
younger adults, especially those in the 50-65 age range that are often
the most difficult to insure. The infrastructure is already set up, and
it's very efficient, much more so than any private insurance company.
Joe Lieberman actually suggested this approach, then when Democrats
agreed that it was a good idea, Lieberman immediately back-pedaled.
See: "http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5979254-503544.html" where
Lieberman makes a lot of sense.
Eventually, when a public option becomes available, it will likely be
based on an expansion of Medicare and Medicaid. It will require the
elimination of more Republicans from congress. That's not going to
happen in a mid-term election where the opposition party typically makes
gains in congress, and this election you have a lot of first term
Democrats from districts that almost never elect a Democrat, but where
Democrats were swept in because of the anti-Bush, anti-McCain/Palin
feelings of the electorate.
It's really just a question of when, not if, we'll have a system like
every other industrialized country in the world (all democracies BTW).
The present insurance system is unsustainable both for employers and
individuals. The private insurers are enjoying one last hurrah before
the system implodes.
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu
> On Apr 8, 9:05 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > And while at it, they can help us with the present state of anarchy on
> > our roads. I hear it's quite fun to drive there! Actually they have
> > pretty good bike lanes too, so let the "Germanification" begin. (Is
> > that a word?)
>
> motor vehicle accident death rates per vehicle mile.
>
> Traffic accidents cause over 2 million injuries in the US each year
> creating a large expense to the health care system.
Where you see a large expense to the system, many see a business
opportunity: LAWYERS, POLICE, JUNKYARDS, TOW TRUCKS, CLINICS,
EMERGENCY ROOMS AND EVEN THE UNDERTAKER.
>
> Part of the solution is too have safer vehicles. Figuring out which
> ones are safer is difficult because there are so many different models
> available.
>
Actually it should be the reverse of what we've being doing to make
vehicles "safer" (ie. bigger). Notice this book is not written in
German, but in plain English...
(Yeah, that Liberal called Ralph Nader has been wrong. The
Conservatives are not free from blame. They just moved into SUVs to
play it safe)
'IT'S NO ACCIDENT'
For more than 30 years, the government has been ramming cars into
walls in an effort to make car crashes safe. The public has been
conditioned to believe that seatbelts, airbags and more "crashworthy"
vehicles are the best ways to protect us from harm on the roads.
Meanwhile, the most basic strategies to deter dangerous driving and
prevent crashes have been ignored. "It's No Accident" provides a rare
glimpse into how the government got seduced by the promise of "safe
crashing." It then examines the major factors involved in crashes
today, including speeding, aggressive driving, distractions (e.g. cell
phones) and drowsy driving. The author reveals that many dangerous
behaviors are now promoted by businesses, and that drivers who kill
often walk away with just a small fine.
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu
I think the Medical Industry is like a sacred cow because many people
are milking it.
Medicare around here is rife with corruption, so at some point the cow
must be sacrificed.
SMS
> Medicare around here is rife with corruption, so at some point the cow
> must be sacrificed.
The changes to Medicare Advantage are going to root out a lot of the
corruption. This is an area rife with companies milking the system, and
it will be more difficult and less profitable for the for-profit
companies to continue doing what they're doing now. The big winners are
the non-profit HMOs that have been honest while the for-profits have not.
One other big plus in the legislation is that they're going to increase
the absurdly low Medicaid reimbursements to physicians up to the same
level as the Medicare reimbursements.
One step at a time. The legislation that passed, while no Republicans
voted for it, is really very conservative legislation, very similar to
what Mitt Romney did in MA. As the Republican party continues to
self-destruct because of the tea-baggers, and as corporate America gets
behind health care reform, there will be more changes.
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
Let's pray that the "gods of common sense" prevail. ;)
Rod Speed
>> Not in a Trabant or Wartburg it aint.
>>> Actually they have pretty good bike lanes too,
>> Not on the autobahn there aint.
>>> so let the "Germanification" begin. (Is that a word?)
>> Nope, the word is krautification.
> Oh, you still can't forget the Jews, huh?
Neither can they. Cant imagine why for the life of me.
> How many documentaries, movies and museums do we have dedicated to the Holocaust,
No idea.
> so that it doesn't happen again?
Thats not the reason for them. Same with Pol Pot etc too.
His approach to health care had some real downsides too.
> Well, unless they attack Israel, of course. Then WWIII will be here
Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasyland.
> and the biggest Holocaust will begin.
Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasyland.
The stupid arabs have tried it repeatedly and lost EVERY time.
> By the way, who said they have bike lanes in the Autobahn?
Who said anyone did ?
> Who told you they drive Trabants?
Wikipedia.
> Are they actually worst than little Toyotas?
Yep, you've clearly never driven one. They're much worse than Yugos too.
> Are you also going to deny that their beer is better?
Yes, mine leaves theirs for dead.
Rod Speed
That was just as true of every other modern first and second world country and
they ALL moved to a decent modern universal health care funding system anyway.
The main problem is that US political system is completely fucked.
> Medicare around here is rife with corruption,
Corse there isnt anything like that in the insurance system, eh ?
> so at some point the cow must be sacrificed.
Thats not the reason every other modern first and second world country
has eventually got a clue and has done what needs to be done.
Rod Speed
I dont bother to pray, it just fucks my knees.
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
> TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote
> >> Nope, the word is krautification.
> > Oh, you still can't forget the Jews, huh?
>
> Neither can they. Cant imagine why for the life of me.
Playing the victim is a good strategy for survival too. Not that they
weren't but the Germans now seem more open minded than the Israelis.
>
> > How many documentaries, movies and museums do we have dedicated to the Holocaust,
>
> No idea.
Everywhere. Many more than, say, those dedicated to the black
holocaust over the centuries.
>
> > so that it doesn't happen again?
>
> Thats not the reason for them. Same with Pol Pot etc too.
>
> His approach to health care had some real downsides too.
Isn't quick death more humane than long agonizing death without
healthcare?
>
> > Well, unless they attack Israel, of course. Then WWIII will be here
>
> Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasyland.
>
> > and the biggest Holocaust will begin.
>
> Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasyland.
Hey, plenty of you listen to Fox News, so don't try to be smarter.
>
> The stupid arabs have tried it repeatedly and lost EVERY time.
I now see you are a racist. If it weren't for the Arabs we may still
be in the Middle Ages.
>
> > By the way, who said they have bike lanes in the Autobahn?
>
> Who said anyone did ?
>
> > Who told you they drive Trabants?
>
> Wikipedia.
Hey, that was 20 years ago.
>
> > Are they actually worst than little Toyotas?
>
> Yep, you've clearly never driven one. They're much worse than Yugos too.
Well, Toyotas are depressing but reliable.
>
> > Are you also going to deny that their beer is better?
>
> Yes, mine leaves theirs for dead.
Are you into home brewing? It sounds very complicated.
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu
> TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 12:38 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> >> On 08/04/10 7:06 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
> >> wrote:
>
> >> <snip>
>
> >>> whose premiums are capped at a predetermined value. Higher wage
> >>> workers pay a premium based on their salary. They may also opt for
> >>> private insurance, which is generally more expensive"...
>
>
>
>
> has eventually got a clue and has done what needs to be done.
Figuring out what to do may be a strategy to delay any solution. Or
you though it was plain stupidity?
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
wrote:
> "AZ Nomad" <aznoma...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
> > However, that would require the return of the concept of personal
> > responsibility.
>
> It wouldn't hurt either to make the driving test almost impossible to pass.
> Suddenly, we'd have 100 million geniuses who didn't think light rail was
> such a gay idea after all.
Having bodies in close proximity of others, may sound like a gayish
idea to those who drive SUVs with tinted windows, but it's common
practice in Western Europe and Japan.
I think some sunglasses may help correct that perception.
Rod Speed
>>>> Nope, the word is krautification.
>>> Oh, you still can't forget the Jews, huh?
>> Neither can they. Cant imagine why for the life of me.
> Playing the victim is a good strategy for survival too.
They aint playing anything, they were the victim, stupid.
> Not that they weren't but the Germans now seem more open minded than the Israelis.
It would be a hell of a lot more surprising if they werent given
that they arent experiencing ongoing war from their neighbours.
>>> How many documentaries, movies and museums do we have dedicated to the Holocaust,
>> No idea.
> Everywhere. Many more than, say, those dedicated to the black holocaust over the centuries.
There never was any black holocaust.
The blacks that got sold as slaves by other blacks did a hell of a
lot better than those that didnt get sold as slaves by other blacks.
>>> so that it doesn't happen again?
>> Thats not the reason for them. Same with Pol Pot etc too.
>> His approach to health care had some real downsides too.
> Isn't quick death more humane than long agonizing death without healthcare?
Hardly any of those he had beaten to death with iron bars etc
had any possibility of long agonizing death without healthcare.
>>> Well, unless they attack Israel, of course. Then WWIII will be here
>> Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasyland.
>>> and the biggest Holocaust will begin.
>> Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasyland.
> Hey, plenty of you listen to Fox News,
None of me EVER listens to fox news.
> so don't try to be smarter.
Go and fuck yourself.
>> The stupid arabs have tried it repeatedly and lost EVERY time.
> I now see you are a racist.
Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasyland.
> If it weren't for the Arabs we may still be in the Middle Ages.
Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasyland.
>>> By the way, who said they have bike lanes in the Autobahn?
>> Who said anyone did ?
>>> Who told you they drive Trabants?
>> Wikipedia.
> Hey, that was 20 years ago.
Some still do.
>>> Are they actually worst than little Toyotas?
>> Yep, you've clearly never driven one. They're much worse than Yugos too.
> Well, Toyotas are depressing but reliable.
And Trabants and Wartburgs are much more depressing and very unreliable indeed.
>>> Are you also going to deny that their beer is better?
>> Yes, mine leaves theirs for dead.
> Are you into home brewing?
Yep.
> It sounds very complicated.
Nope, its surprisingly simple.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote
>>>> TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote
Mindless conspiracy theory.
> Or you though it was plain stupidity?
Corse its plain stupidity. They're so stupid that they cant even grasp
that the US pays TWICE the percentage of GDP that everyone else
does for health care and gets a worse result on every measure that
matters like longevity, years in good health and infant mortality too.
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
It's conspiracy on the part of the masters, and plain stupidity on the
part of the sheep.
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
> On 2010-04-09 14:45:34 -0700, "TibetanMonkey,
> the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> said:
>
>
>
> > This perception, though rarely openly spoken in public, may be
> > pervading society at large...
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7wnBoWOfAU
>
> > I'd try PROSECUTING those criminals.
>
> To borrow a spiel from George Carlin, I'm for throwing this morons
> screaming from a helicopter.
They sound like those intolerant Iranian ayatollahs who call for the
punishment of those who don't follow the established order.
I think stoning of cyclists could result from this.
Jeff Thies
> On 08/04/10 7:06 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> The government partially reimburses the costs for low-wage workers,
>> whose premiums are capped at a predetermined value. Higher wage
>> workers pay a premium based on their salary. They may also opt for
>> private insurance, which is generally more expensive"...
>
> It's not that the U.S. lacks the capability to do this, it's that it
> lacks the will to do it.
What blows my mind is how the repubs say that this is 1/6 of our
economy and we shouldn't harm it. As though 1/6 and growing is the right
size. What would be too large for them, 1/5, 1/4, 1/3?
That and how this will harm Medicare. As if Republicans weren't the
obstacle for creating Medicare, like they are now for health reform.
Jeff
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
They have unlimited and unconditional healthcare, why would they care
about the ones that don't?
Rod Speed
Because thats what matters to get elected.
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
Yeah, but they can still play all kinds of mind games with people
telling them that Universal Healthcare is socialist, etc, and the
people will buy that. But eventually the tide will change, with
minimal damage to the sacred cows. If they drop the sacred cows, they
won't get elected either.
Rod Speed
They wont get elected whatever they do. Those clowns just allowed
the complete implosion of the entire world financial system, AGAIN.
The voters wont be forgetting that any election soon.
Jeff Thies
It's all about fear of what might happen to them, rather than what has
happened to this country under their watch.
I see Repubs lathered up over 9.7% unemployment. Not considering for
a moment that under 8 years of W very few jobs were added (less 20K a
month, in a country that needs 100K+ to keep up with population growth).
Jeff
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
It's all a facade or a BIG SHOW, if you will...
(Don't you feel like a puppet, sometimes?) ;)
Popular rule as a facade
"The 20th Century Italian thinkers Pareto and Mosca (independently)
argued that democracy was illusory, and served only to mask the
reality of elite rule. Indeed, they argued that elite oligarchy is the
unbendable law of human nature, due largely to the apathy and division
of the masses (as opposed to the drive, initiative and unity of the
elites), and that democratic institutions would do no more than shift
the exercise of power from oppression to manipulation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy#Popular_rule_as_a_facade
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
> On 2010-04-10 08:46:39 -0700, "TibetanMonkey,
> the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> said:
>
> > Popular rule as a facade
>
> > "The 20th Century Italian thinkers Pareto and Mosca (independently)
> > argued that democracy was illusory, and served only to mask the
> > reality of elite rule. Indeed, they argued that elite oligarchy is the
> > unbendable law of human nature, due largely to the apathy and division
> > of the masses (as opposed to the drive, initiative and unity of the
> > elites), and that democratic institutions would do no more than shift
> > the exercise of power from oppression to manipulation."
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy#Popular_rule_as_a_facade
>
>
> Amusing when you hear the Talking Heads we call "congressmen" refer to
> the country they purport to represent as our "democracy".
Which, of course, must be exported to other tyrannical places such as
Iraq so they must part of the "game" too.
I was reading around about "elites," "democracy," etc, but basically
I'd round it up in these simple terms:
"The lions come in different colors and flavors, but they all rule the
jungle."
The sheep will always vote for the establishment (99% of them in the
former USSR), but liberal democracies allow for the monkeys (the Black
Sheep if you will) to MAKE NOISE, and they better make a lot of it so
the lions get the bad PR. Then the lions say, "Hey, we better listen
to these monkeys or else we risk our image." They do hate the image of
being a Hungry Lion, you know.
Any change needs BIG NOISE, COORDINATION AND SOLIDARITY, not unlike...
http://mybignoise.blogspot.com/2007/08/solidarity-law-of-jungle.htm
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
> What is it with the seppos. They're so caught up in their intransigent
> ideological hatred of 'woo woo', socialism. For shit's sake, get over
> it. The state pays for your mail services, your defence, your customs,
> your immigration authorities, education and a shite load of other
> services.
>
> Why not health services for all.
>
> Here in Oz, every tax payer pays a health service premium through
> their taxes. It works and no one (left or right) would have it any
> other way. Those that can pay for private health insurance do, those
> that can't have a health safety net.
>
> How can the yanks be so clever with so many things, yet be so backward
> in others.
>
> A mystery.
The "mystery" may be easily be solved if you follow the track of the
fox... I mean who has the most to lose from the predation game. Our
bloated, bureaucratic, monopolistic Medical Industry eats 15% of the
GDP and yet doesn't cover all or guarantee anything.
And the fox's game is to tell the sheep that any attempt to reform is
socialistic in nature. ;)
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
On Apr 10, 9:28 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Max <ass...@pcfin.net> wrote:
> > What is it with the seppos. They're so caught up in their intransigent
> > ideological hatred of 'woo woo', socialism. For shit's sake, get over
> > it. The state pays for your mail services, your defence, your customs,
> > your immigration authorities, education and a shite load of other
> > services.
>
> #1 -- the State has no money in its coffers except what it extracts from
> it's citizens in taxes. The State is broke without the will of it's
> citizens working to get something that they want. If you take all of the
> incentive away from the citizens to have a will to work - you will have
> nothing to give to the *dead beats* who want to take but not work.
> The Bible says that if you don't work, you don't eat. I think it's time to
> go back to the 1930's where we had work groups (EPA) - and you had to work
> to get your grub.
The Bible implies, "Hey, it's a jungle out there, so you are on your
own, baby!"
>
>
>
> > Why not health services for all.
>
> > We do have health services for all -- the problem is the hospitals are
>
> going out of business because there are *dead beats* who believe everything
> for them should be *free*. Someone has to pay!!
> Medicine isn't cheap -- it costs a lot of money.
> The government of the USofA supports the universities which develope the
> drugs. Then the drug companies put a patent on the drug and charge us back
> all kinds of money -- for what we paid for when we supported the government
> by paying our taxes - which gave some of our tax money to the universities
> to develope the drugs in the first place.
> Too many hands in the same pot is my way of thinking!
No, nothing is cheap except gasoline. Hey, perhaps we can tax the
stupid gasoline and pay for healthcare.
Tell me I'm not creative. ;)
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
On Apr 10, 2:14 pm, Conscience <nobama@göv.com> wrote:
> On 2010-04-10 10:58:13 -0700, "TibetanMonkey,
> the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> said:
>
>
>
> > Try it now...
>
> >http://mybignoise.blogspot.com/2007/08/solidarity-law-of-jungle.html
>
> An amusing read. Too bad the irony contained within escapes most readers.
>
> Today the antithetical statement would be "We can hire 30%
> leftist-elitist population to kill what made this country great,
> represented by the remainder."
I think we live in a post ideological world: YOU EITHER HAVE MONEY OR
YOU DON'T.
The problem is further complicated when those who don't, find their
freedom threatened in a fundamental way, like enjoying the community
on foot or bicycle, where those who can afford it live in gated
communities.
In other words, we are going slowly but surely back to feudalism. A
knight could come out of the blue and take away your life and your
horse.
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 12:26 PM, TibetanMonkey,
> > The Bible implies, "Hey, it's a jungle out there, so you are on your
> > own, baby!"
>
> I worked in that jungle 40 years. It was interesting and in a heartbeat you
> could lose everything you ever worked for.
> There are a whole lot of people still working in that jungle as you state.
> And, they are making a good living -- howbeit, it still stands -
> That Work for your grub and no one can take your food off your plate unless
> you personally give it to them.
There's people who thrive in that jungle, and there's people who die
in that jungle, and there's people who simply survive in that jungle.
Some fall due to bad luck (hey, globalization is tough), some due to
illness, and there's no nothing you can do but it but to expect the
"miracle" of medical care. Perhaps they die and get it over with,
while the vast majority barely survives fearing illness or lay off.
That's life in the jungle, but in the end we all die, even the
vultures that most benefit from it.
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu
> On 2010-04-10 14:44:14 -0700, "TibetanMonkey,
> the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> said:
>
> > I think we live in a post ideological world: YOU EITHER HAVE MONEY OR
> > YOU DON'T.
>
>
> The ideological world is over. We are rapidly running hell-bent back
> into a tribal mentality.
Tribal mentality with nuclear weapons and Internet.
>
> Just to be clear, this isn't a racist comment. I wanted that clear
> before some idiot claims racism, as he did in the past.
We are still very primitive, no one should take offense.
>
> Tribalism is not defined by race.
Oh no, it's defined by the car you drive, where the chieftains drive
SUVs and Mercedes.
>
> > The problem is further complicated when those who don't, find their
> > freedom threatened in a fundamental way, like enjoying the community
> > on foot or bicycle, where those who can afford it live in gated
> > communities.
>
> Or driving what you want, listening to the music you want, writing what
> you want, or even speaking your mind withouth someone falsely claiming
> they know your motives.
Well, despite those negative trends there's one and only hope: the
Internet. Same freedom allows to listen to the music we want without
screeching commercials, or listen to the news we trust, also allow us
to MAKE NOISE and be heard by someone out there.
That's why we are here, right?
>
> > In other words, we are going slowly but surely back to feudalism. A
> > knight could come out of the blue and take away your life and your
> > horse.
>
> Close enough.
So you either live within the walls or outside the walls. ;)
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu
<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 11, 12:18 am, Conscience <nobama@göv.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2010-04-10 18:09:43 -0700, "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana
> > Kung-Fu" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> said:
>
> > >>> In other words, we are going slowly but surely back to feudalism. A
> > >>> knight could come out of the blue and take away your life and your
> > >>> horse.
>
> > >> Close enough.
>
> > > So you either live within the walls or outside the walls. ;)
>
>
> Living inside or outside has both advantages and disadvantages. I'd
> feel like a prisoner inside the walls, seeing always the same people.
> But we sure have to tame the outside.
>
> I'm all for breaking the walls like the Berlin Wall.
Like I said, we should break all walls, but curiously the walls are
getting to Germany instead of going down elsewhere. I find it
disgusting and very communist...
(obviously this guy is a communist agent or an American developer)
Gated communities: the privatisation of residential areas should be
welcomed
'Arcadia Potsdam is Germany’s first gated community.
When Arcadia opened in 2006, it provoked sharp media criticism. The
Süddeutsche Zeitung daily, for example, spoke of “class-segregation”,
“residential disintegration” and the “privatisation of public living
space”. The critics argued that gated communities were a symptom of
increasing social polarisation and fragmentation.
These critics assumed that gated communities in Western countries
would be essentially the same as those in Rio de Janeiro or
Johannesburg. But had they examined the well-developed American market
for privately-owned residential areas, they might have noticed that
people’s motivations to choose this way of living are, in fact, very
diverse.'
http://www.cafebabel.co.uk/article/19593/fortress-bulgaria-gated-communities.html
Rod Speed
You wouldnt know what real feudalism was if it bit you on your lard arse.
> A knight could come out of the blue and take away your life and your horse.
Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu
Wasn't Feudalism all about protected citadels and power lords?
Place those lords in SUVs and Gated Communities and voila... you have
traveled in time!
The law of the jungle rules outside.
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu
On Apr 11, 1:02 am, Max <ass...@pcfin.net> wrote:
> thea,
>
> Your country remains in the grip of a financial crisis and economic
> downturn that is affecting many millions of US citizens who have lost
> jobs because of rapacious and unregulated corporates. There are
> swathes of suburbs in US cities, with communities devastated by
> unemployment thanks to the investment banking sector. Many of your
> modestly paid workers have effectively been a subclass of working poor
> for decades.
>
> Taxation is simply the method for the state to provide essential
> services to your lowest paid and poor. The less tax paid, the weaker
> the economic base. That's why the US is a net debtor in global capital
> terms and in the end, unless you can gee up your countries dying
> income producing industrial activity, your net sovereign debt
> (currently $12 trillion & counting see:http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
> will screw the lot of you.
>
> It's just like a household budget. You earn $1.00 but spend $2.00, so
> you borrow the extra dollar but spend it on non income producing
> activities. And you keep doing it.
>
> And this low taxation base is a result of the the overridng social
> sentiment of your country being, it's up to the individual and fuck
> everyone else.
>
> You know....I'm alright Jack!
>
> "A society is ultimately judged by how it treats its weakest and most
> vulnerable members"
Gee, Max, you seem more aware of what's going on in America than
Americans. But see, Americans like them --good Christian people
otherwise-- get their news from Fox and the Christian networks, which
are, should I say it, PREDATORY BY NATURE. In other words they live a
word of fantasy, in which bad things are not necessarily bad because
they announce Armageddon... and that's written in the Bible.
So here I'm in my cage --unable to ride a bike-- because that's the
will of God and because the Christians don't give a shit about it. ;)
Of course, many of them do live in Gated Communities, so they are
spared the worst of it.
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu
Gated Communities like in America. Well, I confess I didn't know
either until a minute ago. But, of course, my common sense tells they
are found now in every UNCIVILIZED place out there...
BANGALORE — Ragini, 14, and Malini, 11, are California girls — some
might even refer to them as ABCDs.
The acronym stands for American-Born, Confused Desi (Desi is slang for
people of Indian origin). But they hardly seem confused. Ever since
they were transplanted to their father’s native Bangalore, they've
found a balance between America and India.
(notice the picture of the guy riding his bike peacefully)
http://www.globalpost.com/gallery/general/090327/bangalores-gated-communities
***
But I have a great idea for the world: THE WHOLE WORLD SHOULD BE LIKE
A GATED COMMUNITY WITHOUT GATES AND BE CALLED 'NIRVANA WITH A
BANANA'...
Yes, the name is debatable. ;)
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
On Apr 11, 7:53 pm, Max <ass...@pcfin.net> wrote:
> Tibetan Monkey,
>
> Don't worry about gated communities! They're just scared little
> monkeys, who know that the great unwashed are getting fed up.
>
> Worry about how to get the disenfranchised out of the monkey shit in
> both social & economic terms.
>
> How about a national bike riding day, but with a very pointed message
> to the suits who run the national show .......!!
>
> You're as mad as hell & your'e not going to take it anymore!
>
> How long the average working class yank can put up with your system is
> beyond me.
>
> (Oh yeah, I just watched a another health insurance company story the
> other night from the good old US of A. This bloke had some horrible
> facial disease that required half of his face to be surgically, which
> was successfully done. The insurance company said, that's AOK. But the
> plastic surgey to reconstruct his face......no....afraid not....that
> is elective surgey, so the poor bastard had to walk around with a
> gaping hole for a face.
>
> Oh say can you see, by the ..............................!!!
Brother, you know what it's like. I've throwing shit at the Miami
Beach lions over their waste of Obama's money in landscaping for a
fancy mixed path for the beautiful people and they just closed the
thread where I posted. At the same time the main hospital is cutting
off all services to the poor.
I'm almost as mad as this guy... ;)
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
On Apr 11, 9:26 pm, Max <ass...@pcfin.net> wrote:
> Nice pick up! You're my vintage then.
>
> Monkey man, when will the current generation stop kissing arses and
> start arcing up.
>
> I get the feeling that the youngin's today are as happy as pigs in
> shit, so long as they have their I-phone, their hair looks good and
> they get a tattoo from Miami Ink for street cred!!!
>
> And the last fucker who said anything socially meaningful was John
> Lydon and that's just shithouse isn't it?
Funny, I'm kind of sick with the monkeys that behave "wisely" and
"hear no evil, see no evil, and speak no evil," and have decided to
pay attention to the microcosm of insects, which seem to be more
social than humanoids. I may complement Lydon's work in the field...
(Notice also that my riding a bicycle in traffic is equivalent to
swimming with sharks)
"After I'm a Celebrity..., he presented a documentary about insects
and spiders called John Lydon's Megabugs that was shown on the
Discovery Channel.[14] Radio Times described him as "more an
enthusiast than an expert". He went to present two further programmes:
John Lydon Goes Ape in which he searched for gorillas in Central
Africa, and John Lydon's Shark Attack in which he swam with sharks off
South Africa."
Rod Speed
>>>> TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> said
>>>>> Try it now...
>>>>> http://mybignoise.blogspot.com/2007/08/solidarity-law-of-jungle.html
>>>> An amusing read. Too bad the irony contained within escapes most readers.
>>>> Today the antithetical statement would be "We can hire 30%
>>>> leftist-elitist population to kill what made this country great,
>>>> represented by the remainder."
>>> I think we live in a post ideological world: YOU EITHER HAVE MONEY OR YOU DON'T.
>>> The problem is further complicated when those who don't, find their
>>> freedom threatened in a fundamental way, like enjoying the community
>>> on foot or bicycle, where those who can afford it live in gated communities.
>>> In other words, we are going slowly but surely back to feudalism.
>> You wouldnt know what real feudalism was if it bit you on your lard arse.
>>> A knight could come out of the blue and take away your life and your horse.
>> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
> Wasn't Feudalism all about protected citadels and power lords?
Only in your pathetic little comic book fantasyland.
> Place those lords in SUVs and Gated Communities and voila... you have traveled in time!
Only in your pathetic little comic book fantasyland.
> The law of the jungle rules outside.
There never was any jungles where there was real feudalism, fool.
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu
> TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote
> > Wasn't Feudalism all about protected citadels and power lords?
>
> Only in your pathetic little comic book fantasyland.
I really believe I can make a comic book out a monkey throwing shit at
society, which claims to live in democracy, but the monkey knows it's
more like hypocrisy.
>
> > Place those lords in SUVs and Gated Communities and voila... you have traveled in time!
>
> Only in your pathetic little comic book fantasyland.
Fantasy land sounds like Disney World, the world of never ending
happiness awaiting you --if you got money.
>
> > The law of the jungle rules outside.
>
> There never was any jungles where there was real feudalism, fool.
Oh you thought the knights really stuck to a code of honor? They used
the law of the jungle to grab whatever they could.
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu
> On Apr 11, 8:46 am, "
>
> If you live in a community afflicted with an significant number of
> Blacks or
> mestizoes you will eventually get "gated" or simply arm the entire
> family.
>
> MATT
Here's a neat solution, brother, that you can propose to the other
lions of the world. Instead of you putting walls around your own
fantasy world, put walls around the jungle, let the warlords fight it
out and ultimately drop a nuclear bomb on it.
That's the premise of this fast paced movie --much better than The
Matrix, I tell you-- in a world that turns increasingly VIOLENT &
POLARIZED. But I tell ya, bro, there's another easy solution to all
those walls: CUT OFF ALL THOSE PROFITS AT THE SOURCE AND LEGALIZE THE
DRUGS. The rats do their own big fucking business just like lions, but
take advantage of the indifference of the authorities and society at
large. They say in their own way: EAT YOUR OWN SHIT!
Enjoy the trailer...
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu
> "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ed61d640-1fda-4a60...@z6g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 11, 11:14 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
>
> >> "Ah, my favorite! Chilled monkey brains!"
>
> > I'm doing a profile of people who like Toyotas:
>
> > a) Conservative-selfish people who don't care about the other drivers
> > or anyone else
>
> > b) They threaten the natural environment with unnecessary driving
>
> > c) They engage in illegal trade and consume bush meat
>
> > d) They say American cars are a piece of junk, putting down the
> > American unions
>
> > e) They deny all of the above
>
> Conservative doesnt mean selfish. We have worked hard for our
> money and our possessions, and try to take care of them, try to
> make them last.
>
> I personally believe that the environment has been damaged by a
> species run wild. We are that species.
>
> I do not engage in illegal trade or bush meat.
>
> Some American cars have been, for some decades, pieces of junk.
> No arguing about that.
I don't know whether to call our road manners Conservative, Liberal or
ANARCHIST, but someone has let it become a big fucking nightmare where
only the big fish swim safely...
What's the conservative solution to that?
Rod Speed
Nope, just that they didnt have JUNGLES, stupid.
> They used the law of the jungle to grab whatever they could.
There was no JUNGLE, stupid.
Rod Speed
> On Apr 11, 4:01 pm, matt <meitchi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 11, 8:46 am, "
>>
>> If you live in a community afflicted with an significant number of
>> Blacks or
>> mestizoes you will eventually get "gated" or simply arm the entire
>> family.
>>
>> MATT
>
> Here's a neat solution, brother, that you can propose to the other
> lions of the world. Instead of you putting walls around your own
> fantasy world, put walls around the jungle, let the warlords fight it out
Thats what Israel is doing with Gaza.
> and ultimately drop a nuclear bomb on it.
Doubt they will go that far, they just use phosphorus bombs instead.
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
Yep, everything the name of democracy. Ultimately though, in a world
where everything's got a price and the "bad guys" make all the money
in the world with drugs, the nuclear bomb will be bought by someone...
Watch the movie if you got a chance. Yeah, the nuclear bomb is in
there too!