While the Dutch are happily riding bikes, here people is talking BS
His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle
about whether or not you need separate facilities. It's simple: the
Dutch way or give the whole fucking lane to the cyclist. TAKE THE LANE
and end of story. No more, finito, ciao, hasta la vista!
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH...
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THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
"No bull, just sacrifice the Sacred Cows"
Edward Dolan
<comandan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cf1082c0-1755-4255...@e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> While the Dutch are happily riding bikes, here people is talking BS
> about whether or not you need separate facilities. It's simple: the
> Dutch way or give the whole fucking lane to the cyclist. TAKE THE LANE
> and end of story. No more, finito, ciao, hasta la vista!
>
> BLAH, BLAH, BLAH...
TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the roads.
His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to this
poor crazy bastard, then you are a poor crazy bastard too.
He likes to reference monkeys and other wild animals normally found only in
zoos because he is most likely a wild beast himself. I think he fornicates
with monkeys, but I can't prove it.
TM should confine himself to just one thread instead of proliferating them
like a poor crazy bastard. He is insane of course. I liken him to the
village idiot of olden times. The difference these days is that no one any
longer recognizes the village idiot because idiocy has become so widespread.
But I will be here to remind one and all of what a poor crazy bastard TM is.
It is mark of My Greatness that I can still recognize the village idiot even
if the rest of you can't.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle
Notice my advice requires little or no money, which would be swallowed
by the jungle)
On Sep 30, 5:13 am, "Charles Grozny" <n5...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "FatterDumber& Happier Moe" <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote in
> I would have suggested that the Unwise Tibetian Monkey Stretcher get a life
> first, then get a haircut and get a REAL job.
>
> Besides, his brother was out on the other side of the road, so there WAS
> another monkey out. And NOBODY was using the bike path that has been up
> for 6 months now and a scant 50 feet from the road. It's a nice wide
> smooth bike path and wide enough to be marked into lanes going both ways.
> And I'm seeing a lot of Monkey Stretchers relatives along that road instead
> of on the bike path.
>
> (Funny how if the County is broke, where'd they get the money for the bike
> path that wasn't there last year? And all the lit street signs that were
> installed this last year? Then they wonder why I refer to this as CROOK
> county. And IDOT's Operation Tiger is misspelled, as is IDOT. )
>
> Charles Grozny
Listen, bicycle infrastructure is the way to bring the people out. The
Dutch can remind you of that. But there's another way which is to TAKE
THE LANE and forget about traffic. This is based on my celebrated
Wisdom of the Jungle. Simply put, any money you throw at the jungle,
disappears when the lions eat it and leave the scraps for the monkey,
in this case a trail of poorly designed and UNCONNECTED bike
facilities.
So from now on, learn to call it by name: the Dutch Way of the
TibetanMonkey way.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle
not converts in the sense of religion, just a reality. One of my
famous quotes is given in capital letters)
On Sep 29, 8:58 pm, livvy <mmrward1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 29, 8:41 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of
> > The "rest of the world" is divided in many religions and sects in
> > which Jesus is just another character contending for recognition.
>
> > A kid from Congo would say, "Who's Jesus, and how is he helping me?"- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The "rest of the world" is divided in many religions and sects in
>
> > which Jesus is just another character contending for recognition
>
> everyone know this except, apparently, you. Jeez. A kid from
> Congo? As though you give a crap. All of this is well known....and
> neither Catholics, nor Christians, nor the entire world at large is to
> blame. Appears you have a problem with everything. Pick a
> lane.....and settle down. Everything isn't about one thing, and
> nothing is about you.
The subject here is NOT me, but the kid in Congo and whether he knows
about Jesus and even if he cares. There's a few charities working down
there, but they also gain converts. NOTHING IS FREE EXCEPT THE WISDOM
OF THE JUNGLE.
Forrest Hodge
Have you seen the kind of taxation the Dutch have? Just for fuel the tax
rate is $3.50 USD per U.S. gallon of petrol *plus* a 20% VAT on top of
that. I doubt all these people are cyclists by choice.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle
Exactly, that's exactly why we need to stop protecting the driver and
start punishing him for bad behavior. But don't worry, it won't happen
in America. ;)
Forrest Hodge
>> On 9/30/2010 12:30 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey& the Spirits of
>>
>>
>>
>> the Jungle wrote:
>>> While the Dutch are happily riding bikes, here people is talking BS
>>> about whether or not you need separate facilities. It's simple: the
>>> Dutch way or give the whole fucking lane to the cyclist. TAKE THE LANE
>>> and end of story. No more, finito, ciao, hasta la vista!
>>
>>> BLAH, BLAH, BLAH...
>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>>
>>> "No bull, just sacrifice the Sacred Cows"
>>
>>> http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE
>>
>> Have you seen the kind of taxation the Dutch have? Just for fuel the tax
>> rate is $3.50 USD per U.S. gallon of petrol *plus* a 20% VAT on top of
>> that. I doubt all these people are cyclists by choice.
>
> Exactly, that's exactly why we need to stop protecting the driver and
> start punishing him for bad behavior. But don't worry, it won't happen
> in America. ;)
Depends what you think constitutes "bad behavior." I hold more contempt
for the cyclist holding up traffic in morning rush hour than I do for
the guy driving 85+ MPH on a highway where the speed limit is 65 MPH.
Justin Lewis
wrote:
We have an incredible problem with traffic congestion in Holland.
There is little evidence that our high taxation on petrol and diesel
has done anything to reduce car use: the people who cycle here are not
using that form of transport for financial reasons otherwise the high
taxation would have reduced car use.
In the case of short journeys (upto 12 km) the bike is probablythe
fastest form of rush hour transport - certainly in the Randstad
(Utrecht, Den Haag, Amsterdam and Rotterdam). Couple this with the
good facilities for cyclists and a non-antagonistic attitude from
drivers (they all cycle too) and one sees why bike use is strong.
We have a proposl to change the car tax issue. There would be no road
tax (VED) and the purchase tax on cars would be vastly reduced. In its
place would come a system of kilometre pricing: each car would be
fitted with a receiverand this would be tracked by sattelite. If you
chose to use your car during the rush hour on one of the busier
sections of road you pay more
His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle
Maybe that cyclist doesn't need to drive a polluting car to get to
work rather than riding for sport.
If you hold contempt against someone riding a bike to work or
errand... you should be in contempt.
It's not that riding for the fun of it should be in contempt either.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle
wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 16:43:08 -0400, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com>
Thank you. At least you got a choice. You have the freedom to pollute
or not, to be fat or not, to be moral or not, to be stupid or not.
Pity is that Holland will be the first one flooded when the cooking of
the planet gets to the boiling point. :(
Justin Lewis
TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"
Yes: I often train through the lowest point of the whole country: 7
metres below sea level. If the planet reaches boiling point the sea
will begin (or end) in Utrecht.
Perhaps global warming and its causes should be taken seriously.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle
wrote:
Well see, they say Global Warming is a conspiracy put together by the
Liberals, the Communists, the Jews, the Union of Concerned Scientists,
the Third World, the Atheists and the Holy Seed to deviate America
from progress and SUVs.
We really need to find out who's behind Global Warming. ;)
Not that they care to do anything, but at least they know the truth...
"Protect God's creation: Vatican issues new green message for world's
Catholics"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/27/catholicism.religion
Doc O'Leary
Forrest Hodge <fo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Depends what you think constitutes "bad behavior." I hold more contempt
> for the cyclist holding up traffic in morning rush hour than I do for
> the guy driving 85+ MPH on a highway where the speed limit is 65 MPH.
Bicycles are rare, small, and take very little time or space to pass.
Bicycles are not the problem with rush hour traffic. If you removed
100% of the cyclists from the roads, average commute times would improve
by .00001% (if that). If you hate driving, hate the drivers.
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His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle
wrote:
> In article <i85h4b$hr...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Depends what you think constitutes "bad behavior." I hold more contempt
> > for the cyclist holding up traffic in morning rush hour than I do for
> > the guy driving 85+ MPH on a highway where the speed limit is 65 MPH.
>
> Bicycles are rare, small, and take very little time or space to pass.
> Bicycles are not the problem with rush hour traffic. If you removed
> 100% of the cyclists from the roads, average commute times would improve
> by .00001% (if that). If you hate driving, hate the drivers.
Actually there's a very simple formula to see the benefits of cycling
on the road:
ONE MORE CYCLIST = ONE FEWER CAR
I think drivers should be reminded when they see a cyclist TAKING THE
LANE...
http://www.zazzle.com/pub/done?pd=235685704141502875
Hey, I even tried to set my commission at zero, so that 10% is for
peanuts. ;)
His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle
> In message
> <2fe2fac1-8c79-435d-901b-39a5f711e...@h7g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, at
> 10:47:38 on Sat, 2 Oct 2010, His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the
> Spirits of the Jungle <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> remarked:
>
> >Actually there's a very simple formula to see the benefits of cycling
> >on the road:
>
> >ONE MORE CYCLIST = ONE FEWER CAR
>
> unrepresentative, but I reckon my own average is approximately two
> people.
> --
> Roland Perry
I can make other shirts:
TWO MORE CYCLISTS = ONE FEWER CAR
or
ONE BUS = 40 FEWER CARS
or
ONE TRAIN = 500 FEWER CARS
Forrest Hodge
>> On 10/1/2010 8:51 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey& the Spirits of
In certain situations where there's heavy low speed traffic, like in
city it's not a huge deal because traffic (car, bus, and bicycle) is all
moving at similar speeds. However for those of us that do not like in an
urban area, and commutes on roads with few intersections and lanes, a
single cyclist traveling at 25-30 MPH less than the prevailing speed is
a problem, especially if the road is two lane, no passing, an certainly
no sidewalks or bike lanes.
My commute to work takes about 10-13 minutes by car, (depending on if
the single traffic light is red or not when I get to it). There were two
occasions last year where a particularly obnoxious, cyclist decided to
go for a ride during morning rush hour. He was traveling about 15-20 MPH
on a road where traffic normally travels about 45-50 MPH. The line of
cars behind him was about 20 cars deep. My travel time for those days
was over 20 minutes on each occasion. The gentleman on the bike likely
wasn't going to work unless his place of employment's dress code
includes spandex with logos all over it. But he made it his business to
unnecessarily delay those who have to get to work. There are *many* back
roads around here that have little to no traffic that he could've ridden
on, still gotten some exercise and *not* caused undue delay to people
who were not out driving for enjoyment. Coincidentally these are the
same back roads I like to bike on. Of course he's perfectly in rights
to do so, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea, in the same sense that
it's legal to wear a ski mask into bank, but it's probably not a great
idea.
Basically it boils down to "Is it acceptable for the wants of the few to
trump the needs of the many?"
His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle
Well, I can sort of agree with you if the guy is just "having fun" and
not using it for real transportation. Like you say, he can always go
to a back road.
The real problem is people that wished to ride for utility and don't
have the chance to do so. You may also argue that an SUV is out of
place on the roads, and belongs in the jungle somewhere.
Forrest Hodge
>> On 10/2/2010 9:35 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey& the Spirits of
But the SUV doesn't have any trouble keeping up with traffic. But that's
not to say that all people who drive them actually need them though.
It's a matter of semantics though, who *needs* a bicycle when you can
also just walk.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle
It's very simple: It's a matter of distance. I don't need to ride a
bike for the most part as most of the shops are within a mile. Beyond
that, I drive where I could be riding a bike simply because of the
risk.
The bicycle doesn't need to keep with traffic because it's a different
vehicle. Do you expect a wheelchair to keep up with a bike, and if not
they are handicapped? ;)
His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle
Quote Originally Posted by miamidesigner
if the right lane is only for bikes, cars will turn into them on right
turns in the intersections. If you put bikes and cars together, in any
sort of way, there will always be danger. Bike paths would have to be
isolated completely. But they are too impractical to build separated
paths just for them.
It is the way it is now because there's not a big enough need to make
changes. But I do agree the bus routes are horrible in Miami. I hear
NY has better transportation. They also have a lot more people to
manage.
In the end, there will be changes in the future. Just not anytime
soon.
***
(MY ANSWER)
Cars won't cut you off if you hold them responsible for any accident,
with a bike unless they are proven innocent. That's the way it is in
Holland... Only in a Darwinist system the little guy on the bike has
as many right as a stray dog, perhaps less because they claim the
cyclists know NOT to be on the road. That's why people ride on
sidewalks around here, placing pedestrians at risk.
It's a real shame that we are cooking the planet and we don't have a
choice but to be part of the problem. The drivers in turn are "driven"
to be part of it, not to think outside the box. We should remind them
of this...
ONE MORE BIKE = ONE FEWER CAR
Forrest Hodge
>> On 10/3/2010 9:55 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey& the Spirits of
And that's the main, the difference is speed. Aside from urban areas
where there's a traffic light every 100 yards, cars travel at speeds
well above those of the bicycle, when both vehicles are on the same road
it's inherently dangerous, especially for the cyclist.
Also you generally don't see wheel chairs on the road. You see them
mainly in places where people walk, the speed differential between
someone walking and someone in a wheelchair is not nearly as dramatic as
it is between a bicycle and car.
The Real Bev
> Also you generally don't see wheel chairs on the road. You see them
> mainly in places where people walk, the speed differential between
> someone walking and someone in a wheelchair is not nearly as dramatic as
> it is between a bicycle and car.
Funny you should say that. On our grocery-run bike ride the other day
we were passed by a legless guy in a sports-model chair who was in
training for the upcoming Santa Monica marathon. He and his GF (on a
regular bike) were taking the lane. There was very little traffic and
the street had two lanes and a parking lane in each direction. I
clocked him at 14 mph.
When cities wish to appear "bike friendly" they paint bike lanes in the
streets which are absolutely worthless. Cars can drive and park in the
bike lanes, and they generally put them on streets where they aren't
actually needed even if they DID perform a useful function. If they
were REALLY bike-friendly they'd fix the potholes and pavement
irregularities in the streets and sidewalks and NOT build those stupid
roundouts which just impede all traffic and decrease parking space.
They'd also provide bike racks within view of businesses' main doors so
that potential thieves ( bolt-cutters are cheap and fast) will be unsure
that the adrenalin-charged bike owner is not only a few seconds away.
They'd make controlled signals switch when a bicycle rode over the
sensors. Lots of other things that would make life easier for
everybody, but NOOOOO!</rant>
--
Cheers, Bev
===================================================
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they make as they go by." -Douglas Adams
His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle
I agree we should ride on the road, but many people will NOT come out
on the road without those painted facilities, as a result THEY RIDE ON
SIDEWALKS or simply won't bother to ride a bike.
The first big step is to GIVE THE LANE TO THE CYCLISTS as a message of
their importance in the food chain. Everybody the same or... SOME
WHEELS ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle
When a bicycle is pushed onto the sidewalk due to "speed
differential," it also creates a speed differential between it and
pedestrians, unless the bicycle slows down to a crawl, which they
often do, in which case, WHAT'S THE POINT OF RIDING A BIKE AFTER ALL?
Funny we cyclists owe so much to the handicapped... What would be of
bicycling in America without those ramps on sidewalks??? ;)
JMS
<bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 10/03/10 18:31, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>
>> Also you generally don't see wheel chairs on the road. You see them
>> mainly in places where people walk, the speed differential between
>> someone walking and someone in a wheelchair is not nearly as dramatic as
>> it is between a bicycle and car.
>
>Funny you should say that. On our grocery-run bike ride the other day
>we were passed by a legless guy in a sports-model chair who was in
>training for the upcoming Santa Monica marathon. He and his GF (on a
>regular bike) were taking the lane.
"Taking the lane" - ffs - this (urc) is an English newsgroup.
(Oh dear - just spotted the cross-posting :
"misc.consumers.frugal-living")
--
"Primary position" the middle of a traffic lane. To take the "primary position" : to ride a bike in the middle of the lane in order to obstruct other road vehicles from overtaking.
A term invented by and used by psycholists and not recognised in the Highway Code.
Highway Code Rule 168 : "Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass."
His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle
> On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 20:13:50 -0700, The Real Bev
>
The question remains, "Would Jesus would have taken the lane?"
I asked him this way, "If you agree with taking the lane, don't say a
word," and he obliged.
bugbear
>
>
> "Taking the lane" - ffs - this (urc) is an English newsgroup.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/taking?view=uk
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/the?view=uk
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/lane?view=uk
Yep, all good English. Verb and subject present and correct.
>
> A term invented by and used by psycholists and not recognised in the Highway Code.
Couldn't find "psycholists" in any dictionary. FFS, this (urc) is an English newsgroup.
BugBear (keenly awaiting a response)
JMS
--
Hello Bugbear - I juts love the way that you have to comment on my every post.
I really do appreciate it.