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wis...@yahoo.com

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Jan 29, 2009, 1:55:53 PM1/29/09
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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D960U4HG0&show_article=1

Anything to secure votes. Email or call your senator via this site:

htttp://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

ted

GLOBALIST

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Jan 29, 2009, 2:16:47 PM1/29/09
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Undocumented workers pay $7 Billion into Social Security and Medicare
each year and have paid as much as a half a $Trillion since '84.
Undocumented workers spend their money just like you do.

ricok987

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Jan 29, 2009, 2:51:50 PM1/29/09
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By undocumented you mean illegal right? You know people that higher the
"undocumented" are also breaking the law and if found guilty should be
punished to the maimum allowable.
"GLOBALIST" <free....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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ro...@ihearthussien.org

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Jan 29, 2009, 3:03:07 PM1/29/09
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Spend their money just like you do? So can the guy who double-charged
my debit card last week. He can spend it just like I would have.

Major Debacle

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Jan 29, 2009, 3:15:23 PM1/29/09
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ricok987 wrote:
> By undocumented you mean illegal right? You know people that higher the
> "undocumented" are also breaking the law and if found guilty should be
> punished to the maimum allowable.

By undocumented you mean illegal *comma* right? You know *comma* people
that higher *hire* the "undocumented" are also breaking the law and if
found guilty should be punished to the maimum *maximum* allowable.

Woody

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Jan 29, 2009, 3:34:52 PM1/29/09
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"Major Debacle" <Major_Debacle@the_pentagon.mil> wrote in message
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> ricok987 wrote:
>> By undocumented you mean illegal right? You know people that higher the
>> "undocumented" are also breaking the law and if found guilty should be
>> punished to the maimum allowable.
>
> By undocumented you mean illegal *comma* right? You know *comma* people
> that higher *hire* the "undocumented" are also breaking the law and if
> found guilty should be punished to the maimum *maximum* allowable.

Actually, I think he meant "maimum." What "maimum" means is another
question.

Woody

axiom

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Jan 29, 2009, 3:52:27 PM1/29/09
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How much of that would American workers have paid into Social Security
and Medicare anyway, if illegals hadn't taken their jobs while driving
wages down?

GeekBoy

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Jan 29, 2009, 4:02:26 PM1/29/09
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So what you are saying is that people should be able to profit from their
crimes?


"GLOBALIST" <free....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Rod Speed

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Jan 29, 2009, 5:32:59 PM1/29/09
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None given that the unemployment rate bottomed at 4.x%


Frog Britches

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Jan 29, 2009, 7:46:50 PM1/29/09
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Congress recommended a much needed increase of 25% in disabled Veterans
Compensation in 2007. Where is it?
Surely Disable Veterans are as deserving as Illegal Aliens?

WBY...@ireland.com

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Jan 30, 2009, 1:21:30 PM1/30/09
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:34:52 -0500, "Woody" <em...@munged.com> wrote:

>
>"Major Debacle" <Major_Debacle@the_pentagon.mil> wrote in message
>news:u7ogl.12577$as4....@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> ricok987 wrote:
>>> By undocumented you mean illegal right? You know people that higher the
>>> "undocumented" are also breaking the law and if found guilty should be
>>> punished to the maimum allowable.
>>
>> By undocumented you mean illegal *comma* right? You know *comma* people
>> that higher *hire* the "undocumented" are also breaking the law and if
>> found guilty should be punished to the maimum *maximum* allowable.
>
>Actually, I think he meant "maimum." What "maimum" means is another
>question.

It's from a little known admonition in Prince Hal's speech just before
Agincourt. "If you can't killum then maimum."

WB Yeats

Woody

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Jan 30, 2009, 2:13:42 PM1/30/09
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<WBY...@Ireland.com> wrote in message
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Holy shit, we have a famous deceased poet in our midst! Kin I have yer
autograph?

Woody


f. barnes

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Feb 4, 2009, 11:24:46 AM2/4/09
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One $22/hr American worker pays more in social security than does two
$10/hr illegal aliens, and the American does not send his pay out of
country, his wages circulate through OUR economy. Save social
security deport all illegals.

tril...@att.net

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Feb 7, 2009, 1:13:51 PM2/7/09
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On Jan 29, 2:02 pm, "GeekBoy" <nerd_reve...@nerdyten.net> wrote:
> So what you are saying is that people should be able to profit from their
> crimes?
>
> "GLOBALIST" <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:c461e91b-5153-43ac...@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 29, 12:55 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D960U4HG0&show_article=1
>
> > Anything to secure votes. Email or call your senator via this site:
>
> > htttp://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>
> > ted
>
> Undocumented workers pay $7 Billion into Social Security and Medicare
> each year and have paid as much as a half a $Trillion since '84.
> Undocumented workers spend their money just like you do.

Illegal aliens cost our country over $250 billion in just social
services a year double that when you add in Free State & county funded
services that do not ask about legal standing double that when you add
in job and crimes (lower wages, identity theft, uninsured drivers, etc…

clams_casino

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Feb 7, 2009, 2:40:16 PM2/7/09
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tril...@att.net wrote:

>
>
>Illegal aliens cost our country over $250 billion in just social
>services a year double that when you add in Free State & county funded
>services that do not ask about legal standing double that when you add
>in job and crimes (lower wages, identity theft, uninsured drivers, etc…
>
>

Is that a Rush statistic? Sounds like his type babble considering the
entire 2007 federal outlay for social programs was $500B where the
biggest costs were for Medicaid, unemployment compensation & food stamps.

Are you saying only illegals get federal assistance?

tril...@att.net

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Feb 7, 2009, 2:53:00 PM2/7/09
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On Feb 7, 12:40 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:

Yes, there are ways around the rules. Below is the cost just for
California.


California's nearly 3 million illegal immigrants cost taxpayers nearly
$9 billion each year, according to a new report released last week by
the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a Washington, D.C.-
based group that promotes stricter immigration policies

tril...@att.net

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Feb 7, 2009, 2:56:37 PM2/7/09
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No not only Illegals

clams_casino

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Feb 7, 2009, 3:43:10 PM2/7/09
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tril...@att.net wrote:

So at an average of $3k for each illegal in CA, assuming CA is typical,
$250B nationally works out to 83M illegals in the US.

Considering the US population is 303M, that means 27% of the US
population is here illegally?

tril...@att.net

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Feb 7, 2009, 4:30:39 PM2/7/09
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> population is here illegally?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

YES! Hello maybe not that number but close to it, if you add in anchor
babies (I know who are not illegal under our current law) but their
parents are who then benifit thru the the child for benifits housing
etc.. where have you been? Lets not make the mistake of pointing the
finger only at Mexican's although they are the highest % it's Russan,
Chinese, name a country

Try working at social services for a few months, I think every
American should you would be pissed ( but don't say anything or loss
your job, just work around the law "Shhh"

*us*

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Feb 7, 2009, 5:05:08 PM2/7/09
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On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 10:13:51 -0800 (PST), tril...@att.net wrote:

>Illegal aliens cost our country over $250 billion ...

"The study says the United States would eventually lose 2.8 million jobs and $551 billion
in annual spending without undocumented workers..."

http://www.americansforimmigrationreform.com/node/8

Can you compare 250 billion to 550 billion?

tril...@att.net

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Feb 7, 2009, 5:30:56 PM2/7/09
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On Feb 7, 3:05 pm, * US * wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 10:13:51 -0800 (PST), trile...@att.net wrote:
> >Illegal aliens cost our country over $250 billion ...
>
> "The study says the United States would eventually lose 2.8 million jobs and $551 billion
> in annual spending without undocumented workers..."
>
> http://www.americansforimmigrationreform.com/node/8
>
> Can you compare 250 billion  to 550 billion?

Oh your god, this is income that would be lost regarless of who held
the job because of the housing market down turn and believe me if the
illegal workers did not have the job americans would have the chance
to go to NV from all over the country and WOULD. I hope they all took
their wives and childen with them saving the state of NV millions in
welfare because the scam is to always claim the father is not in the
home or country, "wink, wink"

clams_casino

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Feb 7, 2009, 5:33:45 PM2/7/09
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tril...@att.net wrote:

Yea, right - Go back to listening to Rush & Foxnews..

tril...@att.net

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Feb 7, 2009, 5:36:32 PM2/7/09
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> Yea, right - Go back to listening to Rush & Foxnews..- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

I am a Dem who's bleeding heart has dried up, I have awaken and seen
the light

f. barnes

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Feb 7, 2009, 9:45:37 PM2/7/09
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On Feb 7, 4:05 pm, * US * wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 10:13:51 -0800 (PST), trile...@att.net wrote:
> >Illegal aliens cost our country over $250 billion ...
>
> "The study says the United States would eventually lose 2.8 million jobs and $551 billion
> in annual spending without undocumented workers..."

That is total bullshit, just more lies put out by greedy scumbag
businesses that hire illegals, and other illegal advocates. Ho hum,
nothing new here. They are lying again, as ususal.

f. barnes

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Feb 7, 2009, 9:46:31 PM2/7/09
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> population is here illegally?- Hide quoted text -

That's sounds about right, maybe plus or minus a couple of million.

*us*

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Feb 8, 2009, 9:30:29 AM2/8/09
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On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 10:13:51 -0800 (PST), tril...@att.net wrote:

>Illegal aliens cost our country over $250 billion ...

"The study says the United States would eventually lose 2.8 million jobs and $551 billion
in annual spending without undocumented workers..."

http://www.americansforimmigrationreform.com/node/8

Can you compare 250 billion to 550 billion?

On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 18:45:37 -0800 (PST), "f. barnes" <fre...@centurytel.net> wrote:

>... total bullshit ...

Too bad for you that's all you have.

*us*

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Feb 8, 2009, 9:30:29 AM2/8/09
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On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 10:13:51 -0800 (PST), tril...@att.net wrote:

>Illegal aliens cost our country over $250 billion ...

"The study says the United States would eventually lose 2.8 million jobs and $551 billion
in annual spending without undocumented workers..."

http://www.americansforimmigrationreform.com/node/8

Can you compare 250 billion to 550 billion?

On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 14:30:56 -0800 (PST), tril...@att.net wrote:

>...regarless ...

You're incoherent, and you can't do the math.


jimj1...@yahoo.com

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Feb 8, 2009, 11:16:27 AM2/8/09
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On Jan 29, 11:16 am, GLOBALIST <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 29, 12:55 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D960U4HG0&show_article=1
>
> > Anything to secure votes. Email or call your senator via this site:
>
> > htttp://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>
> > ted
>
> Undocumented workers pay $7 Billion into Social Security and Medicare
> each year and have paid as much as a half a $Trillion since '84.
> Undocumented workers spend their money just like you do.

That number comes from the Pew Hispanic Center. It's a fraud.

lorad

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Feb 8, 2009, 12:41:35 PM2/8/09
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On Jan 29, 12:15 pm, Major Debacle <Major_Debacle@the_pentagon.mil>
wrote:

> ricok987 wrote:
> > By undocumented you mean illegal right?  You know people that higher the
> > "undocumented" are also breaking the law and if found guilty should be
> > punished to the maimum allowable.
>
> By undocumented you mean illegal *comma* right?  You know *comma* people
> that higher *hire* the "undocumented" are also breaking the law and if
> found guilty should be punished to the maimum *maximum* allowable.

You tell 'em, Debacle..
Take care of the mispellings, and I'll take care of the facts..

> > "GLOBALIST" <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote in message


> >news:c461e91b-5153-43ac...@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jan 29, 12:55 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D960U4HG0&show_article=1
>
> >> Anything to secure votes. Email or call your senator via this site:
>
> >> htttp://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>
> >> ted
>
> > Undocumented workers pay $7 Billion into Social Security and Medicare
> > each year and have paid as much as a half a $Trillion since '84.
> > Undocumented workers spend their money just like you do.

BS with capital B and S..
Illegals cannot have paid into the SS and Medicare systems... because
*THEY DO NOT HAVE VALID SS NUMBERS*.
Verstandenzee?

They be ILLEGALS...
Get it?
Globalist is a liar.

Now, if you have a moment... tell me why you want to flood the US with
illegal immigrants to steal US jobs and to suck down US taxpayer
money..
As well as to bankrupt US hospitals.
There must be some reason why you would want this.
Are you canadian, russkie, or what?

Sanders Kaufman

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Feb 8, 2009, 5:00:45 PM2/8/09
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"* US *" wrote in message news:arvro4l2ikmk4trj3...@4ax.com...

> "The study says the United States would eventually lose 2.8 million jobs
> and $551 billion
> in annual spending without undocumented workers..."
>
> http://www.americansforimmigrationreform.com/node/8

That's not a "study", it's just a lobbying strategy paper.

*us*

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Feb 9, 2009, 10:50:12 AM2/9/09
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"illegal immigrants contribute far more to the U.S. economy than they take"

http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article.cfm?articleid=1754

On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 10:13:51 -0800 (PST), tril...@att.net wrote:

>Illegal aliens cost our country over $250 billion ...

"The study says the United States would eventually lose 2.8 million jobs and $551 billion


in annual spending without undocumented workers..."

http://www.americansforimmigrationreform.com/node/8

Can you compare 250 billion to 550 billion?

On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 16:00:45 -0600, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:

>That's not a "study" ...

How would you know?

Prove it.

"Beto Cardenas, counsel to the Houston-based group and spokesman for the report, says its
conclusions are based on facts, and that he welcomes similar studies with different
conclusions..."

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/may/23/report-illegal-immigrants-contribute-billions-stat/

So go for it.

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