Can anyone recommend a bread machine that makes good whole wheat?
freeisbest
both in excellent condition when I got them (one was a surplus wedding
present and taken out of the box). I passed one along to a friend
next door and still occasionally use the other. They both work,
sorta, if you make only white bread, or if you don't mind taking the
w.w. dough out of the machine after the first rise and baking the loaf
in the oven.
Good bread is ridiculously expensive here in central NC.$5 and $6
a loaf and I'm not going to pay that. Does anyone know if there's a
reasonably-priced machine that makes *good* 12-grain or whole wheat
bread from start to finish?
I really hope someone has information or suggestions for a small-
town gardener who would like tomato sandwiches make with our own our
tomatoes and homemade bread.
If I can't find a decent breadmaker, my nice crop of plum
tomatoes will have to be to vac-frozen soon. Thanks in advance, I
hope.
Lou
"freeisbest" <demeter...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Having never used, let alone owned, a bread machine, I can't directly
respond to your question. But making bread using a food processor, or even
by hand, isn't that difficult, though I'll grant it isn't automatic.
h
"Lou" <lpo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Give up bread. Grain, particularly wheat, is poison.
The Real Bev
We've used several with excellent results -- so good, in fact, that we gobble
the whole loaf (whole wheat, mostly, but we used other exotic flours too)
before it has a chance to cool. I think they'll all turn out good bread, you
just have to adjust your recipe. The one that comes with the breadmaker is a
good place to start, but various things affect it and you just have to
experiment until you're happy. And if you get a different breadmaker you'll
have to start the process over again.
I like the R2D2-shaped ones that DAK sold under its own name, but it's
identical to others with a different brand.
You make bread out of tomatoes?
--
Cheers, Bev
h
"The Real Bev" <bashle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 07/15/2010 03:55 PM, freeisbest wrote:
Don't eat wheat/grain because it's poison. That's my best recommendation.
Bret_Halford
What characteristics in the resulting bread are you looking for?
In what ways are the current loafs falling short?
bart.c
"h" <tmc...@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
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It must be a slow-acting one then, considering the number of people who eat
bread their whole lives then die at an advanced age of natural causes.
--
Bartc
The Real Bev
There it is -- everybody who eats grain eventually dies from it. It just takes
longer for some to die than others.
--
Cheers, Bev
Cindy Hamilton
> "Lou" <lpog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Give up bread. Grain, particularly wheat, is poison.
Funny, I've been eating grain for more than 52 years,
and I'm still alive.
h
"bart.c" <ba...@freeuk.com> wrote in message
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It doesn't injure everyone, of course, but asthma, acne, and nearly all
other auto-immune diseases are caused by consumption of wheat. I was
diagnosed with asthma in college, but it turned out to be wheat. Wheat was
never consumed in my home when I was growing up, and I never ate it until I
left home. Two slices of bread and I start to wheeze. The doctors wanted to
treat me with steroids. Umm, no, I'll just not eat wheat, thank you very
much.
It just kills me to see all those toxic drugs (some of which can cause
lymphoma!) being sold to "cure" what is simply an allergic reaction to wheat
gluten. Typical medical mentality - treat the symptoms without looking for
the cause.
Rod Speed
MUCH easier in a proper bread machine and you dont even need to clean anything either.
Bob F
You only think that. That's one of the symptoms.
tmclone
Heh. At nearly 60, I still find it hard to fathom that people still
eat wheat!
SMS
Zojirushi.
h
"SMS" <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> On 15/07/10 3:55 PM, freeisbest wrote:
>> I really hope someone has information or suggestions for a small-
>> town gardener who would like tomato sandwiches make with our own our
>> tomatoes and homemade bread.
Stop eating wheat because it's not something most humanoids can digest? Yup,
that's the sensible thing. Doubt you'll do that, though. Most people are
epically stupid. Especially those who think human being should eat wheat.
SMS
As professor Tom Sanders, head of nutrition and dietetics at King's
College, London, states: "Unless you suffer from coeliac disease, a very
rare condition, cutting wheat out of your diet is extremely unwise."
h
Huh? Most people find wheat difficult to digest, it causes intestinal
problems, acne, and a host of auto-immune reactions.Grain is what food eats.
As my vet says, "A cat gets all the grain it needs from the stomach of a
mouse". People don't need it either.
SMS
> "SMS"<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote in message
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>> On 16/07/10 8:44 AM, bart.c wrote:
>>>
>>> "h"<tmc...@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
>>> news:i1ojii$i4c$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>
>>>> "The Real Bev"<bashle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:i1oi7b$a03$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> On 07/15/2010 03:55 PM, freeisbest wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Don't eat wheat/grain because it's poison. That's my best
>>>> recommendation.
>>>
>>> It must be a slow-acting one then, considering the number of people who
>>> eat bread their whole lives then die at an advanced age of natural
>>> causes.
>>>
>>
>> As professor Tom Sanders, head of nutrition and dietetics at King's
>> College, London, states: "Unless you suffer from coeliac disease, a very
>> rare condition, cutting wheat out of your diet is extremely unwise."
>
> Huh? Most people find wheat difficult to digest, it causes intestinal
> problems, acne, and a host of auto-immune reactions.
Not true. You've been misled and conned by who knows who. You really
need to buckle down and do some research, and not listen to quacks.
Cindy Hamilton
It's tasty. That pretty much speaks for itself.
Cindy Hamilton
h
"Cindy Hamilton" <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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But does it really not make you feel lousy about 30 minutes after eating it?
All sluggish and bloated?
Bob F
No, it doesn't.
Bob F
A friend of mine worked for a manufacturer of baking mixes, and that was the
winner of their tests many years ago.
George
you so you illogically extrapolate that it must be good for everyone.
There is a local guy who is orgasmic about the "water cure". He had
issues that were cured by drinking so many glasses of water with sea
salt everyday. Are there a few people who maybe are dehydrated etc?
Sure, but now he takes out full page adds in the paper, goes on radio
shows and puts up billboards about how the "water cure" can cure
everything including cancer.
h
"George" <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> You have fallen into the same hole that others have. Something works for
> you so you illogically extrapolate that it must be good for everyone.
>
(no blood relationship to me) AS WELL AS over 60% of my friends have all
discovered that they feel much better when they don't eat any grain,
particularly wheat, I have to LOGICALLY extrapolate that MOST people would
feel better if they stopped eating wheat. All (100%) of my friends' kids
(different families) who were suffering from acne and taking all sorts of
toxic crap to combat it discovered that by simply not eating wheat their
skin cleared up. Nearly immediately, and without taking the drugs. When I
first started eating wheat (in my 20s) I developed asthma. Instead of
telling me to stop eating wheat, the "doctor" suggested that I take
steroids. Yeah, right, that was going to happen. I'm in my late 50s, haven't
seen a doctor for 25 years (except for stitches, once), am VERY healthy,
work out 6 hours a week, and take no medications of any kind other than the
occasional ibuprofen for menstrual cramps. It has been my personal,
.lifelong experience that most people feel better and are healthier if they
don't eat wheat. For many years people have asked me, "How do you stay/look
so young?" The real answer is I didn't have children, but I also tell them
to cut out wheat (all grain is better), and all processed sugars. Keep all
other carbs (veg/fruit/dairy) to 50-80 grams a day. All (100%) of the people
who have done so, have told me how much better they feel and how much
healthier they are (according to medical reports). Most of them lost a lot
of weight, as well. How is any of that "illogical"? Oh, and I was a ballet
teacher then a personal trainer for a very long time, so I've done my
homework. I'm sure you can't say the same.
Don Klipstein
So, how were you able to make the ridiculous claim on April 26 2008 in
article <48133cb9$0$9551$4c36...@roadrunner.com> that most people will
gain weight, even if exercising, on a 1,000 calorie per day diet if the
diet is a high carb one?
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
tmclone
> gain weight, even if exercising, on a 1,000 calorie per day diet if the
> diet is a high carb one?
>
Because they will. What a douche. Plonk! Again. How did you climb out
of the bozo bin?
tmclone
> gain weight, even if exercising, on a 1,000 calorie per day diet if the
> diet is a high carb one?
>
Ah yes, forgot you were only killfiled on outlook, so when I use
google. I have to deal with troll smeg. Yuck.Buh bye,
Cindy Hamilton
> "Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
No, it doesn't.
Cindy Hamilton
234
Nope, hardly anyone gets that effect.
h
"234" <2...@45.com> wrote in message news:8am70p...@mid.individual.net...
Hmm, very wrong, since about 1 in 100 gets Celiac, and 1 in 5 gets IBS, and
1 in 5 gets acid reflux, I beg to differ. That's a hell of a lot more than
"hardly anyone". All of those problems are completely resolved by eating a
wheat-free diet.
Cindy Hamilton
> "234" <2...@45.com> wrote in messagenews:8am70p...@mid.individual.net...
> >h wrote:
> >> "Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
So 99% of the population does not have celiac. That sounds like
"hardly
anyone" to me.
Wheat is only one of a number foods that cause IBS symptoms.
Someone can have IBS and still have no trouble with wheat.
Can you really say that reflux can be resolved by eating a wheat-
free diet? What about reflux that is caused simply by the mechanical
effects of obesity on the lower esophageal sphincter?
If you have problems with wheat, don't eat it, and don't read
Usenet threads that ask about bread machines. Meanwhile,
those of us who have no problem with wheat are going to continue
to enjoy foods made with it.
Cindy Hamilton
tmclone
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Sorry, epic fail. PLONK
Vic Smith
I love wheat.
Bread, biscuits, pancakes, waffles, cake, Wheaties, etc, etc.
I usually prefer a rye bread, but with wheat in it.
But fresh Italian or French bread are absolutely delicious.
Don't even need butter or anything with fresh wheat bread.
Wheat. Oh yeah.
Yum yum.
No bad effects at all.
Yum yum.
I feel sorry for h being allergic to wheat.
Very sad to live a life without wheat.
Very sad.
Makes me feel lucky indeed.
Sometimes you only stop to count your blessings when you see how much
less fortunate others are.
Too many people take for granted the joy they get from wheat.
h is a reminder to most of us that we are blessed.
Thank you h, for the reminder.
In my fairly long life, you're the first person I've encountered who
couldn't partake of wheat.
Good luck to you with your struggle.
--Vic
Lou
>
>
> Hmm, very wrong, since about 1 in 100 gets Celiac, and 1 in 5 gets IBS,
and
> 1 in 5 gets acid reflux, I beg to differ. That's a hell of a lot more than
> "hardly anyone". All of those problems are completely resolved by eating a
> wheat-free diet.
>
go away when eating a grain free diet. At least it didn't for me.
234
> "234" <2...@45.com> wrote in message
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>> h wrote:
>>> "Cindy Hamilton" <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Jul 18, 5:59 pm, tmclone <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jul 17, 9:53 am, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 15, 9:41 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Lou" <lpog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>>>> news:i1o959$2hu$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>>>>> Give up bread. Grain, particularly wheat, is poison.
>>>>
>>>>>> Funny, I've been eating grain for more than 52 years,
>>>>>> and I'm still alive.
>>>>
>>>>> You only think that. That's one of the symptoms.
>>>>
>>>> Heh. At nearly 60, I still find it hard to fathom that people still
>>>> eat wheat!
>>>
>>>>> It's tasty. That pretty much speaks for itself.
>>>
>>> But does it really not make you feel lousy about 30 minutes after
>>> eating it? All sluggish and bloated?
>>
>> Nope, hardly anyone gets that effect.
>
> Hmm, very wrong,
Nope.
> since about 1 in 100 gets Celiac,
That is hardly anyone.
> and 1 in 5 gets IBS,
Nothing like "all sluggish and bloated" and nothing like
that many are affected and it isnt due to wheat either.
> and 1 in 5 gets acid reflux,
Nothing like "all sluggish and bloated" and nothing like
that many are affected and it isnt due to wheat either.
> I beg to differ. That's a hell of a lot more than "hardly anyone".
It is hardly anyone who gets that effect 30 mins after eating any wheat.
> All of those problems are completely resolved by eating a wheat-free diet.
Another lie.
tmclone
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OMG, what a douche!!
tmclone
>
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Oh, and if you really think you haven't met anyone else who doesn;t
eat wheat, you're either the biggest douche out there (well, yeah, you
are) or you don't get out much. I don't eat wheat because it's BAD FOR
HUMAN BEINGS, and it doesn't taste particularly wonderful. It's not
like I miss it. Didn't "discover" it until I was in college. Don't
really understand all the fuss about it. Totally missable. Sorry
you're such a douche. Oh wait, I'm not. Re-Plonk!
tmclone
> h wrote:
> > "234" <2...@45.com> wrote in message
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> >> h wrote:
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Oh yes, because you've never experienced it, it happens to no one.
MORON. plonk
Vic Smith
Never been anywhere folks eat where they aren't gobbling down burgers
and hot dogs in wheat buns, pizza, bagels, sandwiches, or munching on
bread, bread sticks, etc, etc. Wheat all over the place.
Of course maybe you weren't there.
I've never had a single person I know indicate they couldn't tolerate
wheat. Milk, yes. Peanuts, yes. Peaches, yes.
And I felt sorry for them, as I do for you.
It's a terrible way to live a life. Just plain awful.
Now I won't be impolite and call you a crazy wacko or anything.
I'll just say it's time for me to have a big bowl of Wheaties with
whole milk and blueberries.
Yumyum.
--Vic
Lou
"tmclone" <tmc...@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
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And because you cannot tolerate it, you think no one can.
Don Klipstein
I have gotten acid reflux mostly from wheat-free meals.
--
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
Vic Smith
Maybe a pure wheat diet could help?
--Vic
Bob F
>> I have gotten acid reflux mostly from wheat-free meals.
>
>
> Maybe a pure wheat diet could help?
>
That'd be hard. What good is wheat only beer? Gotta have some barley.
John Savage
>Good bread is ridiculously expensive here in central NC.$5 and $6
>a loaf and I'm not going to pay that. Does anyone know if there's a
>reasonably-priced machine that makes *good* 12-grain or whole wheat
>bread from start to finish?
I know precisely what you mean. I believe it's not the machine that you
need to change, it's your recipe and method. In short, the best way to
improve the bread-maker cycle is to 24 hours before you intend baking,
mix together in a plastic bowl about half your flour, just half tspn of
yeast, and sufficient water to produce a stiff dough consistency. (Just
use a spoon to mix, no need to work it with your hands.) Let it stand
covered on a bench for up to 36 hours, observing that it bubbles and
becomes spongy. Then add this to your breadmaker along with the rest of
the flour and yeast, other ingredients, a measure of sugar, and water.
You have to decide whether you will go with a commercial grain bread mix
using proper baker's flour, or compromise with the economy route using
ordinary kitchen cake-making flour supplemented with added gluten or
bread improver. The difference in cost works out to be a factor of 2 to
3 for me, but YMMV if you can find a bulk supplier of bread-making flour.
In any case, the group to follow is alt.bread.recipes
>I really hope someone has information or suggestions for a small-
>town gardener who would like tomato sandwiches make with our own our
>tomatoes and homemade bread.
Homebaked bread, homegrown tomato, sharp cheese, salt & pepper = Heaven!
My directions above omit one key step: *lots* of experimentation!!
I suggest that you temper your ambition at first by using 1/3 white
flour until you have prefected the loaf, then gradually go over to
trying all whole wheat if that's desired. I doubt that most commercial
loaves would be 100% whole grain, would they? The cracked grains in
grain bread will benefit from the 24 hour ferment, by being softened.
HTH
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)