Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
blythe b
RickMerrill
> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/honda.recall/index.html
Maybe you should Shut your eyes upon impact? ;-)
Also, remember to put your hands at 9:00 and 3:00.
If you put your hands at the old 10-2 and the airbag
fires off it has happened that the driver's thumbs were broken!
Hands now go at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock if you drive with airbags.
Vandy Terre
Thumbs should never be inside the steering wheel according the big rig trucker
that helped teach me to drive. The reason is that in fighting for control of a
vehicle a thumb can be broken by the torching wheel. In an emergency you don't
need to add to your problems by having a broken thumb. Line the thumb up on the
steering wheel and fold fingers around it.
RickMerrill
Many people do make that recommendation: for 4-wheel driving or
otherwise rough terrain you should use the "monkey grip"!
Rod Speed
>>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/honda.recall/index.html
>> Maybe you should Shut your eyes upon impact? ;-)
>> Also, remember to put your hands at 9:00 and 3:00.
>> If you put your hands at the old 10-2 and the airbag
>> fires off it has happened that the driver's thumbs were broken!
>> Hands now go at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock if you drive with airbags.
> Thumbs should never be inside the steering wheel according the big
> rig trucker that helped teach me to drive. The reason is that in fighting
> for control of a vehicle a thumb can be broken by the torching wheel.
Doesnt happen with modern cars.
> In an emergency you don't need to add to your problems by having a broken
> thumb. Line the thumb up on the steering wheel and fold fingers around it.
Or have enough of a clue to work out whether you are driving a car or a truck.
Gary Heston
Vandy Terre <va...@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
>Thumbs should never be inside the steering wheel according the big rig trucker
>that helped teach me to drive. The reason is that in fighting for control of a
>vehicle a thumb can be broken by the torching wheel. In an emergency you don't
>need to add to your problems by having a broken thumb. Line the thumb up on the
>steering wheel and fold fingers around it.
That risk is much lower with power steering. Any impacts have to fight
the hydraulics as well as the driver.
Gary
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Tegger
24e929...@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/honda.recall/index.html
The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky legal
requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior, aimed directly at
the occupants. Then they require that big yellow labels be stuck
everywhere, warning you that the bombs will kill your kids so make sure you
put the little dears where the bombs can't reach them. Sheesh.
For those of you in Canada, bomb disablement is quite legal, and is
available at any garage for about $40 (don't know if that's per bomb or an
all-in price).
Do you know what detonates the bombs? Sodium azide, the same stuff they use
to light off high-explosives. Auto dealership technicians have fun
detonating surplus airbags in the parking lot. Sometimes they try to see
how high the bags will go when ignited, which can be up to forty feet. Fun,
wow!
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Tegger
Leftie
And yet only Honda seems to have decided to make them *shrapnel*
bombs...
sci.space
from Honda designers.
Dave
Tegger
90f5-ed2...@11g2000yqp.googlegroups.com:
> Crunchy frog, anyone? Have to keep those Monty Python episodes away
> from Honda designers.
>
> Dave
You could take the bones out... ;^)
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Tegger
JRStern
wrote:
>blythe b <mbowm...@gmail.com> wrote in news:8e13a836-cfb6-4fb4-a6c0-
>24e929...@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/honda.recall/index.html
>
>
>The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky legal
>requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior, aimed directly at
>the occupants. Then they require that big yellow labels be stuck
>everywhere, warning you that the bombs will kill your kids so make sure you
>put the little dears where the bombs can't reach them. Sheesh.
what he said
>For those of you in Canada, bomb disablement is quite legal, and is
>available at any garage for about $40 (don't know if that's per bomb or an
>all-in price).
must be all those conscientious objectors we sent them! :)
J.
Tegger
news:lemjd5d2fcg1o3gbd...@4ax.com:
I was told that insurance companies up here have mixed feelings about
airbags. Bags are very expensive to replace after a collision, and there's
often collateral damage when the bags break windshields and damage
interiors, plus they cause a lot of minor (and sometimes not so minor)
injuries when they deploy. All that's very expensive for the insurance
companies.
Up here there are neither rewards for having airbags nor penalties for
disabling them.
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Tegger
zzznot
have the bombs removed, even get a few
bucks for them, and drive the car legally
for registration in California?
Or are prices higher in Canada for whatever reason,
or other complication?
J.
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Nick Naim
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Vandy Terre wrote
>> RickMerrill <Rick0....@gmail.lessspam.com> wrote
>>> blythe b wrote
>
>>>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/honda.recall/index.html
>
>>> Maybe you should Shut your eyes upon impact? ;-)
>
>>> Also, remember to put your hands at 9:00 and 3:00.
>>> If you put your hands at the old 10-2 and the airbag
>>> fires off it has happened that the driver's thumbs were broken!
>
>>> Hands now go at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock if you drive with airbags.
Dave D
"zzznot" <zzz...@invalid.net> wrote in message
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> Can I buy a new Honda in Canada,
> have the bombs removed, even get a few
> bucks for them, and drive the car legally
> for registration in California?
>
> Or are prices higher in Canada for whatever reason,
> or other complication?
>
> J.
In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada, it is
in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on that state's
past record, will not register such a modified car....I would check the laws
in Ca and the Feds before doing such.
DaveD
Tegger
news:4add...@news.acsalaska.net:
A new vehicle cannot be imported into the US without a present and
functioning SRS system.
California's rules don't come into play until Federal NHTSA regs are
satisfied.
<http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/>
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Tegger
Rod Speed
> "Dave D" <dtdo...@acsalaska.net> wrote in
> news:4add...@news.acsalaska.net:
>
>>
>> "zzznot" <zzz...@invalid.net> wrote in message
>> news:hbi6af$pcr$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Can I buy a new Honda in Canada,
>>> have the bombs removed, even get a few
>>> bucks for them, and drive the car legally
>>> for registration in California?
>>>
>>> Or are prices higher in Canada for whatever reason,
>>> or other complication?
>>>
>>> J.
>> ///snipped///
>>
>> In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada,
>> it is in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on
>> that state's past record, will not register such a modified car....I
>> would check the laws in Ca and the Feds before doing such.
> A new vehicle cannot be imported into the US without a present and
> functioning SRS system.
It isnt technically a new vehicle if it was bought in Canada.
John David Galt
> In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada, it is
> in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on that state's
> past record, will not register such a modified car....I would check the laws
> in Ca and the Feds before doing such.
In the US you can get federal permission to disable airbags; I'm not sure
what the requirements are or whether they've even been formalized.
A car that came equipped with airbags cannot legally be driven in the US
if they've been removed. However, disabling them (or getting an 'off'
switch wired in) does not make the car illegal to drive. Go ahead and
drive to Canada to have the operation performed; California doesn't even
have to know you did it.
Tegger
> Tegger wrote:
>
>> A new vehicle cannot be imported into the US without a present and
>> functioning SRS system.
>
> It isnt technically a new vehicle if it was bought in Canada.
OK, then let me be more precise: A vehicle manufactured after about 1988
(not certain of exact year) for the non-US market may not be imported into
the US for the purpose of US registration without a complete and
functioning SRS system.
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Tegger
Tegger
news:hbl9t3$ic7$1...@blue.rahul.net:
> Dave D wrote:
>> In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada,
>> it is in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on
>> that state's past record, will not register such a modified car....I
>> would check the laws in Ca and the Feds before doing such.
>
> In the US you can get federal permission to disable airbags; I'm not
> sure what the requirements are or whether they've even been
> formalized.
This is technically correct. The last I read, permission must be obtained
in writing from the NHTSA.
Permission is predicated upon the presence of some definite and specific
factor that would, in the opinion of the NHTSA's bureacrats, place the
applicant in some special danger from airbags that ordinary people would
not face. These factors would include advanced age, unusually small adult
body size, or some sort of physical infirmity, such as advanced
osteoporosis.
I imagine the number of officially-permitted SRS disablements must be
vanishingly tiny.
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Tegger
Larrybud
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> blythe b <mbowm...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:8e13a836-cfb6-4fb4-a6c0-
> 24e929...@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/honda.recall/index.html
>
>
> The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky
> legal requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior,
> aimed directly at the occupants.
A bit dramatic, don't you think?
They also require a highly flammable liquid to be put in a tank in
the back... gallons of it!! Oh the humanity!