WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before the end of times
sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
share the lane.
If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
--------------------------------------------------
"May the sun shine upon you --or at least the moon"
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before the end of times
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, not your average backyard philosopher <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
> >sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
> >UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
>
> >Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
> >traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
> >lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
> >share the lane.
>
> >If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
> >lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
> >We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
> >you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
>
> these newsgroups? I'm curious if you spend as much time writing
> them and garnering local support as you do posting here.
I do, my friend, but they seem to be totally indifferent or totally
scared to speak, except for the moderator who's a chap from London.
Funny no, a chap from London in Miami...
http://forums.miamibeach411.com/off-topic-chit-chat/8170-london-sees-different-type-cyclist.html
Not only that, I've told them that their recent "grandiose project" (a
fancy mixed path by the beach) is a piece of shit, very dangerous
indeed, and they are speechless. ;)
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before the end of times
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, not your average backyard philosopher <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Dec 16, 9:54 am, ste...@panix.com (Steven M. O'Neill) wrote:
> >> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, not your average backyard philosopher <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
> >> >sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
> >> >UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
>
> >> >Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
> >> >traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
> >> >lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
> >> >share the lane.
>
> >> >If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
> >> >lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
> >> >We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
> >> >you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
>
> >> With all due respect, is anyone in your local government reading
> >> these newsgroups? I'm curious if you spend as much time writing
> >> them and garnering local support as you do posting here.
>
> >I do, my friend, but they seem to be totally indifferent or totally
> >scared to speak, except for the moderator who's a chap from London.
> >Funny no, a chap from London in Miami...
>
>
> >Not only that, I've told them that their recent "grandiose project" (a
> >fancy mixed path by the beach) is a piece of shit, very dangerous
> >indeed, and they are speechless. ;)
>
Wait, there's one last hope before Jesus or the Revolution coming
soon...
(they've been coming soon for a while)
They will unleash 1,000 bikes into the jungle... or they may decide to
pacify the beast (traffic)... or they may draw bike lanes along major
thoroughfares... or it may be a project for PR to take place in a
small area.
Forrest Hodge
How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.
Edward Dolan
news:iedom5$6g0$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 12/16/2010 9:37 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet
> of the last days before the end of times wrote:
>> I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
>> sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
>> UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
>>
>> Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
>> traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
>> lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
>> share the lane.
>>
>> If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
>> lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
>> We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
>> you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
>
> pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
> largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.
Forrest, do you know how to read a thread? If you did, you would see that it
is only TM talking to himself.
TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the roads.
His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to this
poor crazy bastard, then you are a poor crazy bastard too.
He likes to reference monkeys and other wild animals normally found only in
zoos because he is most likely a wild beast himself. I think he fornicates
with monkeys, but I can't prove it.
TM should confine himself to just one thread instead of proliferating them
like a poor crazy bastard. He is insane of course. I liken him to the
village idiot of olden times. The difference these days is that no one any
longer recognizes the village idiot because idiocy has become so widespread.
But I will be here to remind one and all of what a poor crazy bastard TM is.
It is a mark of My Greatness that I can still recognize the village idiot
even if the rest of you can't.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
Tºm Shermªn™ °_°
Fuel taxes do not pay for local roads. Furthermore, fuel taxes (in the
US) do not cover the expense of the military in the Middle East (and
there would be no US military presence in the Middle East except for oil
and natural gas).
--
T�m Sherm�n - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
Edward Dolan
message news:ieebgo$84m$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 12/16/2010 1:18 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>> How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
>> to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
>> largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.
>
> Fuel taxes do not pay for local roads. Furthermore, fuel taxes (in the
> US) do not cover the expense of the military in the Middle East (and there
> would be no US military presence in the Middle East except for oil and
> natural gas).
We might well be in the Middle East, oil or no oil. Only an anti-Semite
would leave Israel to defend itself against a sea of Arabs. The Islamist
Fascists object to the very idea of America, and it is not connected to our
presence in the Middle East. It is connected to our secularism and our
influence in the world which directly threatens their medieval religion.
The American Empire needs to maintain troops everywhere in the world. That
is what great empires have always done. When ass needs to be kicked, it
needs to be kicked right away (especially Muslim ass). The Soviets at least
knew how to keep the Muslims down.
Forrest Hodge
There are federal and *state* taxes on fuel. They do indeed help pay for
roads. I'll ignore the bit about wars in the middle east as it has
nothing to do with whether or not bicycles need a lane to themselves.
Tºm Shermªn™ °_°
> We might well be in the Middle East, oil or no oil. Only an anti-Semite
Arabs are Semites also.
Those U.S. citizens who would put the interests of another country ahead
of the U.S. are traitors.
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
Tºm Shermªn™ °_°
Bicycle lanes are a ghetto for cyclists. What is needed is vigorous
prosecution of motorists who do not respect the rights of others.
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
Edward Dolan
message news:ieehnh$3c9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 12/16/2010 8:13 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> We might well be in the Middle East, oil or no oil. Only an anti-Semite
>> would leave Israel to defend itself against a sea of Arabs.[...]
>
> Arabs are Semites also.
Everyone in the world knows what is meant by anti-Semite ... except you.
> Those U.S. citizens who would put the interests of another country ahead
> of the U.S. are traitors.
Our interests are in tandem with those of Israel. Everyone but anti-Semites
know that.
Edward Dolan
message news:ieehr3$3c9$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 12/16/2010 8:23 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>>>> How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
>>>> to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
>>>> largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.
>>>
>>> Fuel taxes do not pay for local roads. Furthermore, fuel taxes (in the
>>> US) do not cover the expense of the military in the Middle East (and
>>> there would be no US military presence in the Middle East except for oil
>>> and natural gas).
>>>
>>
>> There are federal and *state* taxes on fuel. They do indeed help pay for
>> roads. I'll ignore the bit about wars in the middle east as it has
>> nothing to do with whether or not bicycles need a lane to themselves.
He put that in there for my benefit.
> Bicycle lanes are a ghetto for cyclists. What is needed is vigorous
> prosecution of motorists who do not respect the rights of others.
The solution is bicycle paths (trails). I do not like lanes either. I cannot
understand why bike paths are so expensive to build. Why not put your
engineering talents to some good use and figure out a way to build bike
paths for pennies instead of dollars.
The Real Bev
> On 12/16/2010 8:23 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>> On 12/16/2010 7:39 PM, Tºm Shermªn™ °_°> wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2010 1:18 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>>>> How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
>>>> to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
>>>> largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.
I'd be willing to bet that most cyclists buy gas for one or more cars
and that the bikes don't destroy the roads anywhere near as fast as cars do.
> Bicycle lanes are a ghetto for cyclists. What is needed is vigorous
> prosecution of motorists who do not respect the rights of others.
What else is needed is for cities to NOT paint stupid 'bicycle lanes'
that carry no legal weight whatsoever -- you can drive in them, park in
them, whatever. Our city engineer said that their only real effect is
to slow traffic down, something the shitheads always seem to want to do.
If cities REALLY wanted to be nice to bicyclists they'd sweep the
streets more often so you don't have to decide among stopping, bashing
into the passing car or riding through glass. And they could fix the
potholes while they're at it. Did anybody ever actually ask for
cobblestone crosswalks?
--
Cheers, Bev
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why is it so hot and what am I doing in this handbasket?
dgk
wrote:
Not my interests Ed, and probably not yours unless you are quite
wealthy. My interests are not the same as those of the ruling class.
There is a great American hero, US Marine Corps Maj General Smedley
Butler, who knew this first hand. You probably haven't heard of him,
even though he was awarded the Medal of Honor in two different wars,
as well as the Brevet (highest award for a Marine). He said that the
wealthiest Americans know that they can make more investing overseas
than here, and the soldiers go abroad to protect those investments.
Not to keep us safe Ed.
Here's a direct quote:
"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and
during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for
Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a
racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and
especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped
make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to
collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central
American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify
Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in
1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American
sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American
fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that
Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might
have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate
his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
The reason that the US is hated around the world is because of things
that we have done, such as overthrowing elected governments that
impeded the flow of profits to the wealthy. Iran, Iraq, every country
in Central and South America, and the entire mideast. There is a
certain blowback from that kind of thing, and terrorism is one of
those.
Opus
>snip<
> There are federal and *state* taxes on fuel. They do indeed help pay for
> roads. I'll ignore the bit about wars in the middle east as it has
> nothing to do with whether or not bicycles need a lane to themselves.
Local roads are built with local tax dollars. In TX there are no local
taxes against cars (nor are any allowed). Cyclists and drivers pay the
exact same thing for roads, but the roads are all built for cars with
nothing for bicycles (or you could look at it as all the roads are
built for bicycles but the cars are allowed to take them over).
Edward Dolan
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> On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:01:40 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net>
> wrote:
>
>>"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
>>message news:ieehnh$3c9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 12/16/2010 8:13 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>> We might well be in the Middle East, oil or no oil. Only an anti-Semite
>>>> would leave Israel to defend itself against a sea of Arabs.[...]
>>>
>>> Arabs are Semites also.
>>
>>Everyone in the world knows what is meant by anti-Semite ... except you.
>>
>>> Those U.S. citizens who would put the interests of another country ahead
>>> of the U.S. are traitors.
>>
>>Our interests are in tandem with those of Israel. Everyone but
>>anti-Semites
>>know that.
> Not my interests Ed, and probably not yours unless you are quite
> wealthy. My interests are not the same as those of the ruling class.
Perhaps not identical, but you benefit by simply being an American.
> There is a great American hero, US Marine Corps Maj General Smedley
> Butler, who knew this first hand. You probably haven't heard of him,
> even though he was awarded the Medal of Honor in two different wars,
> as well as the Brevet (highest award for a Marine). He said that the
> wealthiest Americans know that they can make more investing overseas
> than here, and the soldiers go abroad to protect those investments.
> Not to keep us safe Ed.
It helps keep the entire nation more prosperous than it would otherwise be.
> Here's a direct quote:
>
> "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and
> during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for
> Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a
> racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and
> especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped
> make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to
> collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central
> American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify
> Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in
> 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American
> sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American
> fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that
> Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might
> have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate
> his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
We Americans all benefit from American capitalism. If you don't like it, why
not try a socialist-communist nation? Maybe North Korea is more your speed.
> The reason that the US is hated around the world is because of things
> that we have done, such as overthrowing elected governments that
> impeded the flow of profits to the wealthy. Iran, Iraq, every country
> in Central and South America, and the entire mideast. There is a
> certain blowback from that kind of thing, and terrorism is one of
> those.
It is better to be a have than a have-not. What else is new?
Terrorism is part and parcel of a religion, i.e., Islam. It probably does
have something to do with our wealth and the wealth of the West in general.
It is too bad Islam was not able to create wealth like the Christian nations
of the West. Why not visit Saudi Arabia at one extreme and Egypt at the
other extreme and see what I mean.
The US has now become an Empire. The sooner we start acting like
imperialists in good conscience, the better. What we need most is a Rudyard
Kipling, not a cry baby like you.
Peter Cole
I think that, in general, federal & state taxes fund principally
highways, and even then only a fraction (e.g. ~60% US federal interstate
funding).
Peter Cole
We can't have both?
Peter Cole
> On 12/16/10 18:27, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° > wrote:
>
>> On 12/16/2010 8:23 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2010 7:39 PM, Tºm Shermªn™ °_°> wrote:
>>>> On 12/16/2010 1:18 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>>>>> How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
>>>>> to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
>>>>> largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.
>
> I'd be willing to bet that most cyclists buy gas for one or more cars
> and that the bikes don't destroy the roads anywhere near as fast as cars
> do.
>
>> Bicycle lanes are a ghetto for cyclists. What is needed is vigorous
>> prosecution of motorists who do not respect the rights of others.
>
> What else is needed is for cities to NOT paint stupid 'bicycle lanes'
> that carry no legal weight whatsoever -- you can drive in them, park in
> them, whatever. Our city engineer said that their only real effect is to
> slow traffic down, something the shitheads always seem to want to do.
If only it were true.
> If cities REALLY wanted to be nice to bicyclists they'd sweep the
> streets more often so you don't have to decide among stopping, bashing
> into the passing car or riding through glass. And they could fix the
> potholes while they're at it.
Can't we have both? How about we just fix the potholes in the bike lanes?
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before the end of times
Maybe. That sounds like a bargain.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before the end of times
On Dec 18, 8:13 pm, Joe <jfg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 16, 1:53 pm, dali_70 <w_e_coyot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 16, 12:45 pm, Joe <jfg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > You are stupid, monkey. You need an infusion of human blood.
>
> > > For the record, I am a faithful Catholic, and global warming is an
> > > inevitable consequence of human activity on the Planet. Motion
> > > creates heat. Anyone who denies Global Warming is an idiot. The only
> > > question is, how serious of a problem is it at present? That is a
> > > question on which even the scientists are divided.
>
> > Among evangelicals, fundamentalist's, and other right wing
> > conservative christians, he's spot on. they tend to deny global
> > warming, evolution, the big bang and just about everything else that
> > contradicts their religion or the GOP & it's corporate propaganda of
> > the day.
>
> > I've noticed that among Catholics, even the one's who describe
> > themselves as republican or conservative, tend to go along with the
> > science on things like global warming, evolution and the big bang.
>
> > As for how serious a problem it is at the present, I'd say it's pretty
> > damn serious. It's an exponential problem, the longer we wait the
> > worse it's going to be, and the harder it's going to be to correct, if
> > thats even possible.
>
> So what's your plan?
We can choose to drive an SUV or ride a humble bicycle to the market.
One of the choices is wise.
I just got a new folding bike and went to Target on it. People were
wondering how we folded them and stuck it in the shopping cart. It was
in Orlando, wide sidewalks and no pedestrians. It just proves that
SMALLER IS BETTER, a key component of the Wisdom of the Jungle.
Thought of the day:
"FRUGALITY IS A NEW REALITY."
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before the end of times
Hey, if that is what it takes to be entitled to the TRAFFIC LANE so be
it.
Some training and certification may be required so the stupid monkeys
don't get on the road like that. I'm referring, of course, to the wild
riders on sidewalks endangering pedestrians.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before the end of times
Depends what you define as a "cyclist"...
I've given instructions to my chain of command to issue the following
licenses to cyclists:
A- Lycra-clad, above 20mph
B- Casual clothing, but in the range of 15-20mph, single speeds are
often found here
C- Practical cycling, 10-15mph and racks are common place
D- Folding bikes, at home on sidewalks
E- The casual ones or kids
F- Those failures riding on sidewalks and proud of it
A,B,C are entitled to the traffic lane.
D,E,F need sidewalks or bike lanes or paths.
In case it matters, I'm in the C,D category -and proud of it.
I do this in my capacity of "Comandante Banana, King of the Apes" and
not Wise TibetanMonkey.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before the end of times
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:01:40 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >messagenews:ieehnh$3c9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Yep, I'm afraid Ed is a CAPITALIST PIG.
"Oink, Oink"
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before the end of times
> On 12/16/2010 9:27 PM, T m Sherm n _ > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 12/16/2010 8:23 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
Good point. Yes, we can have both. There's no exclusion. We may also
have cyclists ride outside the bike lane if they wished.
Edward Dolan
news:008bec72-d9fa-4cad...@39g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
[...]
> Yep, I'm afraid Ed is a CAPITALIST PIG.
> "Oink, Oink"
The first thing I learned many years ago when I came to these cycling
newsgroups was that most members were liberals, if not socialists. This is
not true in the real world of cycling. It is only true on Usenet. In any
event, it has been my pleasure to kick their sorry asses ever since.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before the end of times
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before
> [...]
>
> > Yep, I'm afraid Ed is a CAPITALIST PIG.
> > "Oink, Oink"
>
> The first thing I learned many years ago when I came to these cycling
> newsgroups was that most members were liberals, if not socialists. This is
> not true in the real world of cycling. It is only true on Usenet. In any
> event, it has been my pleasure to kick their sorry asses ever since.
The real cycling world in America is made up of survivors riding junk
bikes on sidewalks. They make up the majority, but not the most
affluent. They don't even come here or are affiliated with a political
party.
They are the Proles on bikes.
dgk
wrote:
Terrorism is what people do when they don't have an army to kill for
them. If you're ok with killing people all over the world so that the
wealthy can profit and you can have some crumbs, then you are less of
a person than I thought you were.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before the end of times
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:55:06 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >"dgk" <d...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> >news:r7umg6ti3vou6ml3j...@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:01:40 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>messagenews:ieehnh$3c9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
He's lower than you think. He's la merde de la merde.
Edward Dolan
>>Terrorism is part and parcel of a religion, i.e., Islam. It probably does
>>have something to do with our wealth and the wealth of the West in
>>general.
>>It is too bad Islam was not able to create wealth like the Christian
>>nations
>>of the West. Why not visit Saudi Arabia at one extreme and Egypt at the
>>other extreme and see what I mean.
>>
>>The US has now become an Empire. The sooner we start acting like
>>imperialists in good conscience, the better. What we need most is a
>>Rudyard
>>Kipling, not a cry baby like you.
>
> them. If you're ok with killing people all over the world so that the
> wealthy can profit and you can have some crumbs, then you are less of
> a person than I thought you were.
Terrorism is what people do when they do not have a clue about what is wrong
with them. You bet I'm OK with killing those who would kill us.
By the way, no one needed an army in Ruanda to kill hundreds of thousands.
They did it with clubs and knives.
The poor of the world are poor not because of anything the West ever did to
them, but because they have either a fucked up religion which keeps them
poor (Muslims) or their general culture is fucked up (Africa south of the
Sahara). Sometimes it does seem racial, or do you have a better explanation
for why Haiti is such a basket case.
People who breed like rabbits will live like pigs and die like flies. Good
riddance! Damned if I ever want to do anything for them. But if you want to,
go right ahead, but do it on your own dime. What I can't stand are liberal
progressive saps like you who blame it all on the West. The world would be
infinitely worse off without the United States ... just as the European
barbarians would have been worse off without the Roman Empire.
Edward Dolan
news:538c9cb7-b085-4a2c...@o11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...[...]
> Terrorism is what people do when they don't have an army to kill for
> them. If you're ok with killing people all over the world so that the
> wealthy can profit and you can have some crumbs, then you are less of
> a person than I thought you were.
>> He's lower than you think. He's la merde de la merde.
What everybody knows is that you are one fucking idiot. A bullet though your
addled brain is an end devoutly to be wished for. Or pray god, some motorist
will take you out!
Fucking Regards,
Edward Dolan
[...]
> The real cycling world in America is made up of survivors riding junk
bikes on sidewalks. They make up the majority, but not the most
affluent. They don't even come here or are affiliated with a political
party.
> They are the Proles on bikes.
I would like a monkey to piss all over you. After that a monkey can shit in
your mouth. And then you can fornicate with same.
Yea, fuck you and all you represent on these newsgroups.
Fucking Regards,
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before the end of times
This is another way to put it. We make some filthy rich and others
pissed off while we happily burn gas. We are their best clients and
greatest source of malcontent.
Edward Dolan
We should never have paid a single cent to the Arabs for the oil. We
developed a need for it and should have made it ours. That is the whole
point of being an imperial power. The entire Middle East was backward even
under the Ottoman Turks. Why we deal with tribal peoples as though they were
nations is beyond me.
dgk
wrote:
>http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21144
But not before breakfast Ed. Read it later.
dgk
wrote:
>"dgk" <d...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>news:nvnug6p2qj6qt9bfd...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:55:06 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net>
>> wrote:
>[...]
>>>Terrorism is part and parcel of a religion, i.e., Islam. It probably does
>>>have something to do with our wealth and the wealth of the West in
>>>general.
>>>It is too bad Islam was not able to create wealth like the Christian
>>>nations
>>>of the West. Why not visit Saudi Arabia at one extreme and Egypt at the
>>>other extreme and see what I mean.
>>>
>>>The US has now become an Empire. The sooner we start acting like
>>>imperialists in good conscience, the better. What we need most is a
>>>Rudyard
>>>Kipling, not a cry baby like you.
>>
>> Terrorism is what people do when they don't have an army to kill for
>> them. If you're ok with killing people all over the world so that the
>> wealthy can profit and you can have some crumbs, then you are less of
>> a person than I thought you were.
>
>Terrorism is what people do when they do not have a clue about what is wrong
>with them. You bet I'm OK with killing those who would kill us.
>
>
Too much to write about at one time so I'll just choose this. You
missed the whole point. They want to kill us because of things that
we've done. If I were an Iraqi boy and my parents died because of what
we've done to Iraq, I would certainly try to kill Americans to make up
for it. What we've done makes us less safe, not more safe. And it
wasn't done for any altruistic reason, it was done for profit.
Tºm Shermªn™ °_°
The elephant in the room is the true motive behind torture - those
ordering torture and those performing torture enjoy doing so.
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
Tºm Shermªn™ °_°
"dgk" - you do know that presenting facts that contradict beliefs is
useless? People follow their "religion" (including "American
Exceptionalism") based on faith; facts be damned.
dgk
I know. White Man's Burden.
Edward Dolan
>>Terrorism is what people do when they do not have a clue about what is
>>wrong
>>with them. You bet I'm OK with killing those who would kill us.
>
> Too much to write about at one time so I'll just choose this. You
> missed the whole point. They want to kill us because of things that
> we've done. If I were an Iraqi boy and my parents died because of what
> we've done to Iraq, I would certainly try to kill Americans to make up
> for it. What we've done makes us less safe, not more safe. And it
> wasn't done for any altruistic reason, it was done for profit.
I categorically reject your entire line of thinking on this issue. The
Iraqis were treated worse than cattle under Saddam and his tribal group and
they took it for decades without a peep. We Americans must appear like Santa
Claus to them.
The main thing that is wrong with American foreign policy is our bent for
wanting to do good in the world. I would go for just doing what is good for
us and everyone else be damned. What I fear is that Iraq may want us to stay
in their god forsaken country forever and then clamor to become our 51st
State.
Liberals like you do not have a clue about how the world works.
Edward Dolan
message news:ieqq4m$m8h$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
[...]
> "dgk" - you do know that presenting facts that contradict beliefs is
> useless? People follow their "religion" (including "American
> Exceptionalism") based on faith; facts be damned.
Facts never say anything by themselves. They have to be interpreted. That is
what I am here for.
Hey, better American Exceptionalism than Muslim Exceptionalism!
Edward Dolan
message news:ieqq0h$m8h$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
[...]
> The elephant in the room is the true motive behind torture - those
> ordering torture and those performing torture enjoy doing so.
The above is spoken like a true liberal sap!
Every group has its sadists. I wish Americans were more comfortable with
kicking ass like I am. When you get out in the world you soon find that the
only language that many peoples understand is one of brute physical force.
Not everyone prefers sweet reason like us Americans.
Regards.
Edward Dolan
[...]
>>http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21144
>
> But not before breakfast Ed. Read it later.
I never look at crap like this. It is clearly propaganda. Poor DGK not only
wishes to be anonymous, but also to be a fool - and liberal fools are the
worst kind of fools because they cannot even recognize propaganda when they
see it. That is ever the fate of the brain washed.
Tºm Shermªn™ °_°
> "T�m Sherm�n� �_�"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
> message news:ieqq4m$m8h$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
> [...]
>> "dgk" - you do know that presenting facts that contradict beliefs is
>> useless? People follow their "religion" (including "American
>> Exceptionalism") based on faith; facts be damned.
>
> Facts never say anything by themselves. They have to be interpreted. That is
> what I am here for.
>
> Hey, better American Exceptionalism than Muslim Exceptionalism!
>
Edward Dolan
"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
message news:ierf1q$8ar$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 12/21/2010 3:37 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> message news:ieqq4m$m8h$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> [...]
>>> "dgk" - you do know that presenting facts that contradict beliefs is
>>> useless? People follow their "religion" (including "American
>>> Exceptionalism") based on faith; facts be damned.
>>
>> Facts never say anything by themselves. They have to be interpreted. That
>> is
>> what I am here for.
>>
>> Hey, better American Exceptionalism than Muslim Exceptionalism!
>>
> Mr. Ed Dolan proves my point.
No more than Mr. Tom Sherman proves my point!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
PS: It amuses me greatly that Tom Sherman would want to duel with someone
who has read the complete works of Edward Gibbon and Arnold Toynbee. His
view of world history is small, mine is large. Never forget that all
librarians are extremely well read. It is a burden that we carry like
Sisyphus.
dgk
wrote:
Of course they suffered under Saddam, that's why we worked with the
British to install him in the first place. But it helped our oil
companies and that's why we did it. In fact, for all the lying about
why we needed to go to war with Iraq, the only real reason was one we
didn't use, that we put him in and had the right to take him out.
Do you have any cites for believing that the Iraqis think we are Santa
Claus or that they want us to stay? Do you actually even believe that?
>
Edward Dolan
>>I categorically reject your entire line of thinking on this issue. The
>>Iraqis were treated worse than cattle under Saddam and his tribal group
>>and
>>they took it for decades without a peep. We Americans must appear like
>>Santa
>>Claus to them.
>>
>>The main thing that is wrong with American foreign policy is our bent for
>>wanting to do good in the world. I would go for just doing what is good
>>for
>>us and everyone else be damned. What I fear is that Iraq may want us to
>>stay
>>in their god forsaken country forever and then clamor to become our 51st
>>State.
>>
>>Liberals like you do not have a clue about how the world works.
>
> British to install him in the first place. But it helped our oil
> companies and that's why we did it. In fact, for all the lying about
> why we needed to go to war with Iraq, the only real reason was one we
> didn't use, that we put him in and had the right to take him out.
You obviously are an idiot.
> Do you have any cites for believing that the Iraqis think we are Santa
> Claus or that they want us to stay? Do you actually even believe that?
In the good old days when a regime was replaced by force of an invasion, all
the principals were slaughtered. Instead, we give them vacations in places
like Guantanamo. The fact of the matter is that we Americans do not have a
clue about how to treat our enemies. Ideally we should just kill them,
something that all previous peoples have known how to do.
Regards.