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j

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Oct 16, 2011, 10:34:38 AM10/16/11
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I'd like to watch, actually my girlfriend would, some of the multitude
of online video on the TV instead of the laptop.

Any experience or recommendations?

Jeff

Bob F

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Oct 16, 2011, 11:30:28 AM10/16/11
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Some laptops have Svideo outputs, or, you can get converter boxes for VGA
outputs, or cables for digital video outputs.


Rod Speed

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Oct 16, 2011, 2:39:42 PM10/16/11
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j wrote:

> I'd like to watch, actually my girlfriend would, some of the multitude of online video on the TV instead of the
> laptop.

> Any experience

Yes.

> or recommendations?

The simplest approach is with a video card which has
HDMI out and a TV that can accept an HDMI input.

Some TVs can do the net by themselves too now.




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Gordon

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Oct 16, 2011, 9:14:15 PM10/16/11
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j <mun...@att.net> wrote in news:j7eq20$8mh$1...@news.albasani.net:
Yeah, lots.
I've been experimenting with this a lot.

Lots of different ways you can approch this.

1) You can just try to hook the laptop to the TV. How this works out
for you will depend on how well matched the TV and laptop are.
You will find that there are both analog (composite, component,
S-video, VGA) and digital (DVI and HDMI) video connections. Obviously,
if you can connect to the same connector on both ends (HDMI -> HDMI,
VGA ->VGA, composit -> composit, etc) that would be best. But there
are also ways to convert from one to another (S-video -> composite,
DVI -> HDMI, for instance).
Once you have made the conection, then the laptop has to create
the proper resolution video for a TV.
It can be done, but it can involve a lot of trial and error.

2) Buy a STB like the VUDU, Boxee, Netgear, Apple TV, Google TV.
My favorite of these is the BOXee. It is open and allows you to get
to any video on the internet. The others are not.

3) Buy a BlueRay player. But most of these are closed systems that
only allow you to watch only what the manufactuer allows (Netflix,
Vudu, Hulu, etc).

4) Buy a smart TV. Some TVs have internet capability.

If you buy something, shop carefully. Many of the STB solutions only
have HDMI outputs. If you still have an older analoge TV, you won't
be able to make the hook up. Also, verify what you have access to
(the whole net, or just the part that they let you see.)

There are a few other things you might want to look into. I here
TIVO is trying out some internet features on their newer models.

j

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Oct 17, 2011, 8:58:30 PM10/17/11
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On 10/16/2011 9:14 PM, Gordon wrote:
> j<mun...@att.net> wrote in news:j7eq20$8mh$1...@news.albasani.net:
>
>> I'd like to watch, actually my girlfriend would, some of the multitude
>> of online video on the TV instead of the laptop.
>>
>> Any experience or recommendations?
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Yeah, lots.
> I've been experimenting with this a lot.
>
> Lots of different ways you can approch this.
>
> 1) You can just try to hook the laptop to the TV. How this works out
> for you will depend on how well matched the TV and laptop are.
> You will find that there are both analog (composite, component,
> S-video, VGA) and digital (DVI and HDMI) video connections. Obviously,
> if you can connect to the same connector on both ends (HDMI -> HDMI,
> VGA ->VGA, composit -> composit, etc) that would be best. But there
> are also ways to convert from one to another (S-video -> composite,
> DVI -> HDMI, for instance).
> Once you have made the conection, then the laptop has to create
> the proper resolution video for a TV.
> It can be done, but it can involve a lot of trial and error.

I thought that there would be more available in USB to TV out (maybe
bandwidth issues), but I've been disappointed. And I see that syncing
the resolution of the laptop to an external monitor is no joy either. No
S Video out on my T61.

>
> 2) Buy a STB like the VUDU, Boxee, Netgear, Apple TV, Google TV.
> My favorite of these is the BOXee. It is open and allows you to get
> to any video on the internet. The others are not.

Thanks, I'm working my way through that list.

I hadn't heard of the Google TV. I've been looking at Roku. What
hardware are you running BOXee on? I'd been doing video capture/playback
back in '96, I would have thought the video playback to TV would have
been very good and cheap by now, maybe I'm missing it.
>
> 3) Buy a BlueRay player. But most of these are closed systems that
> only allow you to watch only what the manufactuer allows (Netflix,
> Vudu, Hulu, etc).

I see that now. Since I only have low def TV, I haven't had a use for
the Blue Ray. It's an odd but interesting feature and I can see what you
say about the hardware following the marketing, so to speak.
>
> 4) Buy a smart TV. Some TVs have internet capability.

How about that!
>
> If you buy something, shop carefully. Many of the STB solutions only
> have HDMI outputs. If you still have an older analoge TV, you won't
> be able to make the hook up. Also, verify what you have access to
> (the whole net, or just the part that they let you see.)

Yeah, that's the case here. I think I'll give the Roku a try for my
girlfriend.
>
> There are a few other things you might want to look into. I here
> TIVO is trying out some internet features on their newer models.

Jeff

Gordon

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Oct 18, 2011, 12:37:39 AM10/18/11
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j <mun...@att.net> wrote in news:j7ij05$6s1$1...@news.albasani.net:
USB to TV out technology was developed by a company called Display Link.
They hold all the patents. If they do have an adaptor that works, that
may be the way to go.

>
>>
>> 2) Buy a STB like the VUDU, Boxee, Netgear, Apple TV, Google TV.
>> My favorite of these is the BOXee. It is open and allows you to get
>> to any video on the internet. The others are not.
>
> Thanks, I'm working my way through that list.
>
> I hadn't heard of the Google TV. I've been looking at Roku. What
> hardware are you running BOXee on? I'd been doing video
> capture/playback back in '96, I would have thought the video playback
> to TV would have been very good and cheap by now, maybe I'm missing
> it.

I saw one at Best Buy. Kind of expensive. All it amounts to is
a web browser that can be connected to a TV. (talking about Google TV)

As for Boxee. I have been running it on both an Athlon and Celeron
system with WinXP and 512GB of memory. Pretty light weight system.
The connection is Via an old ATI graphics card with an S-Video
connector. I wanted to buy the Boxee Box, but, like you, I have an
older TV with only analog inputs. I would have the added expense of
a HDMI to Analog converter. It would be just as cheap to buy a
used Pentium D system and go from there.

>>
>> 3) Buy a BlueRay player. But most of these are closed systems that
>> only allow you to watch only what the manufactuer allows (Netflix,
>> Vudu, Hulu, etc).
>
> I see that now. Since I only have low def TV, I haven't had a use for
> the Blue Ray. It's an odd but interesting feature and I can see what
> you say about the hardware following the marketing, so to speak.

Same here. But I don't think you can buy DVD players. It's like
when DVDs came out and all the CD players disapeared. Now all you can
buy are BlueRay players. The cool thing
about BlueRay players is that they will also play DVDs and CDs. And
they have that internet thing. Many players that I have seen have
analog outputs. I saw one that had everything from composite to
HDMI. So, easy to hook up. But, limited access to internet video
content.


>>
>> 4) Buy a smart TV. Some TVs have internet capability.
>
> How about that!

But not really an option?

Rod Speed

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Oct 18, 2011, 5:08:58 AM10/18/11
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j wrote
> Gordon wrote
>> j<mun...@att.net> wrote

>>> I'd like to watch, actually my girlfriend would, some of the
>>> multitude of online video on the TV instead of the laptop.

>>> Any experience or recommendations?

>> Yeah, lots.
>> I've been experimenting with this a lot.

>> Lots of different ways you can approch this.

>> 1) You can just try to hook the laptop to the TV. How this works out
>> for you will depend on how well matched the TV and laptop are.
>> You will find that there are both analog (composite, component,
>> S-video, VGA) and digital (DVI and HDMI) video connections.
>> Obviously, if you can connect to the same connector on both ends
>> (HDMI -> HDMI, VGA ->VGA, composit -> composit, etc) that would be
>> best. But there are also ways to convert from one to another
>> (S-video -> composite, DVI -> HDMI, for instance).
>> Once you have made the conection, then the laptop has to create
>> the proper resolution video for a TV.
>> It can be done, but it can involve a lot of trial and error.

> I thought that there would be more available in USB to TV out (maybe bandwidth issues), but I've been disappointed.

There are plenty of alternatives, but if you dont
say what your TV can do, its hard to be specific.

> And I see that syncing the resolution of the laptop to an external monitor is no joy either.

It doesnt have to be synched if the TV is capable.

> No S Video out on my T61.

But it will have some form of video out.

>> 2) Buy a STB like the VUDU, Boxee, Netgear, Apple TV, Google TV.
>> My favorite of these is the BOXee. It is open and allows you to get
>> to any video on the internet. The others are not.

> Thanks, I'm working my way through that list.

> I hadn't heard of the Google TV. I've been looking at Roku. What hardware are you running BOXee on?

> I'd been doing video capture/playback back in '96, I would have thought the video playback to TV would have been very
> good and cheap by now,

It is, hordes of video cards can do HDMI out now, even very cheap video cards can.

> maybe I'm missing it.

Yes.

>> 3) Buy a BlueRay player. But most of these are closed systems that only allow you to watch only what the manufactuer
>> allows (Netflix, Vudu, Hulu, etc).

> I see that now. Since I only have low def TV, I haven't had a use for
> the Blue Ray. It's an odd but interesting feature and I can see what
> you say about the hardware following the marketing, so to speak.

>> 4) Buy a smart TV. Some TVs have internet capability.

> How about that!

Thats one obvious approach, doesnt cost much unless you want a very large TV.

Gordon

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Oct 18, 2011, 7:00:56 PM10/18/11
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"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:9g4u1c...@mid.individual.net:

> j wrote
>> Gordon wrote
>>> j<mun...@att.net> wrote
>
>>>> I'd like to watch, actually my girlfriend would, some of the
>>>> multitude of online video on the TV instead of the laptop.
>
>>>> Any experience or recommendations?
>
>>> Yeah, lots.
>>> I've been experimenting with this a lot.
>
>>> Lots of different ways you can approch this.
>
>>> 1) You can just try to hook the laptop to the TV. How this works
>>> out for you will depend on how well matched the TV and laptop are.
>>> You will find that there are both analog (composite, component,
>>> S-video, VGA) and digital (DVI and HDMI) video connections.
>>> Obviously, if you can connect to the same connector on both ends
>>> (HDMI -> HDMI, VGA ->VGA, composit -> composit, etc) that would be
>>> best. But there are also ways to convert from one to another
>>> (S-video -> composite, DVI -> HDMI, for instance).
>>> Once you have made the conection, then the laptop has to create
>>> the proper resolution video for a TV.
>>> It can be done, but it can involve a lot of trial and error.
>
>> I thought that there would be more available in USB to TV out (maybe
>> bandwidth issues), but I've been disappointed.
>
> There are plenty of alternatives, but if you dont
> say what your TV can do, its hard to be specific.

Agreed. But see the part below where he says he has
an older analoge TV.

>
>> And I see that syncing the resolution of the laptop to an external
>> monitor is no joy either.
>
> It doesnt have to be synched if the TV is capable.

Most of the old analoge TVs are not capable.

>
>> No S Video out on my T61.
>
> But it will have some form of video out.
>
But if it is digital, it is unusable without a video converter.


>>> 2) Buy a STB like the VUDU, Boxee, Netgear, Apple TV, Google TV.
>>> My favorite of these is the BOXee. It is open and allows you to get
>>> to any video on the internet. The others are not.
>
>> Thanks, I'm working my way through that list.
>
>> I hadn't heard of the Google TV. I've been looking at Roku. What
>> hardware are you running BOXee on?
>
>> I'd been doing video capture/playback back in '96, I would have
>> thought the video playback to TV would have been very good and cheap
>> by now,
>
> It is, hordes of video cards can do HDMI out now, even very cheap
> video cards can.

HDMI is only useful for digital TVs. For owners of older analog TVs
it is pointless.

>
>> maybe I'm missing it.
>
> Yes.
>
More likely just trying to deal with equiptment that was designed
with the expectation that everyone has a new flat panel digital TV.

Rod Speed

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Oct 19, 2011, 4:37:39 AM10/19/11
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Gordon wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
It wasnt that clear that that is actually what he was actually saying about it.

Which is why I said that there.

>>> And I see that syncing the resolution of the laptop to an external monitor is no joy either.

>> It doesnt have to be synched if the TV is capable.

> Most of the old analoge TVs are not capable.

But it wasnt that clear that that is actually what he was actually saying about it.

And its either analog or analogue, never analoge.

>>> No S Video out on my T61.

>> But it will have some form of video out.

> But if it is digital, it is unusable without a video converter.

I said that elswhere.

>>>> 2) Buy a STB like the VUDU, Boxee, Netgear, Apple TV, Google TV.
>>>> My favorite of these is the BOXee. It is open and allows you to get
>>>> to any video on the internet. The others are not.

>>> Thanks, I'm working my way through that list.

>>> I hadn't heard of the Google TV. I've been looking at Roku.
>>> What hardware are you running BOXee on?

>>> I'd been doing video capture/playback back in '96, I would have thought
>>> the video playback to TV would have been very good and cheap by now,

>> It is, hordes of video cards can do HDMI out now, even very cheap video cards can.

> HDMI is only useful for digital TVs.

Wrong with converters.

> For owners of older analog TVs it is pointless.

Wrong with converters.

>>> maybe I'm missing it.

>> Yes.

> More likely just trying to deal with equiptment that was designed
> with the expectation that everyone has a new flat panel digital TV.

Not true of converters.

>>>> 3) Buy a BlueRay player. But most of these are closed systems that only
>>>> allow you to watch only what the manufactuer allows (Netflix, Vudu, Hulu, etc).

>>> I see that now. Since I only have low def TV, I haven't had a use
>>> for the Blue Ray. It's an odd but interesting feature and I can see
>>> what you say about the hardware following the marketing, so to speak.

>>>> 4) Buy a smart TV. Some TVs have internet capability.

>>> How about that!

>> Thats one obvious approach, doesnt cost much unless you want a very large TV.

>>>> If you buy something, shop carefully. Many of the STB solutions
>>>> only have HDMI outputs. If you still have an older analoge TV, you
>>>> won't be able to make the hook up. Also, verify what you have
>>>> access to (the whole net, or just the part that they let you see.)

>>> Yeah, that's the case here. I think I'll give the Roku a try for my girlfriend.

>>>> There are a few other things you might want to look into. I here
>>>> TIVO is trying out some internet features on their newer models.

The other obvious approach is to pull the plug on the girlfriend and get one that comes with her own net capable TV etc.


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Rod Speed

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Oct 19, 2011, 1:35:43 PM10/19/11
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Derald wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote

>> The other obvious approach is to pull the plug on the girlfriend
>> and get one that comes with her own net capable TV etc.

> Then, I'm _not_ the only one, LOL. That was my first choice.

Just be careful her last name wasnt ever Bobbitt.


Stan Horwitz

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Oct 22, 2011, 10:59:11 PM10/22/11
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Get yourself a Roku box. They are available on Amazon.com for a modest
price. You also need home wifi service.

Gordon

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Oct 23, 2011, 8:19:03 PM10/23/11
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Stan Horwitz <st...@temple.edu> wrote in news:stan-9681F7.22591122102011@
[74.209.136.95.rev.gaoland.net]:
What can you watch on a Roku box? Are you limited to the programing
that they offer? Or can you go pretty much anywhere on the internet?

Shawn Hirn

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Nov 14, 2011, 10:12:27 PM11/14/11
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In article <Xns9F87B029EFCC...@94.75.214.90>,
Check out http://www.roku.com for an answer to that question.
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