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A VFW
Maybe adding some double pane windows?
Make the ones facing South larger. Maybe eliminate windows in the North
or reduce their size?
Adding insulation is always a good idea. Lots of foam is free for the
hauling.
Good Luck and...
Let the Sun Shine In.
Vic Smith
wrote:
Good advice.
Keep it coming
Here's something that saved us money.
We drink a lot of coffee and were buying liquid Cremora.
I don't want any arguments about that.
That's what we like.
You want to argue, go argue about omelettes.
Price kept going up and soon we were spending 10 bucks a week on the
stuff.
Wife is cook, so she bought a case of the powder mix they use in the
corp cafeteria for the non-dairy creamer. Almost the same taste as
the liquid Cremora.
You mix in hot water, then cold, then refrigerate.
She was skeptical about it lasting, but a 1/2 gallon pitcher has never
gone bad on us. 1/2 gallon liquid is the result size of the
individual packets.
Cost is now maybe 2 bucks a week for coffee creamer.
That's a +400 a year savings. +$16,000 for 40 years.
You might have to ask around to find a source, but it's doable.
For 16 grand, it's worth it.
Gordon is her cafeteria supplier.
I suspect most cafeteria managers will do this for their customers if
you sweet talk them and have the cash to keep their books balanced.
Just a tick on the order sheet for them.
--Vic
jeff
> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:25:56 -0800, A VFW <georg...@toast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> If you are making improvements in your home consider the Sun.
>> Maybe adding some double pane windows?
Bubble wrap is cheap and effective if you don't need transparency.
Otherwise heat shrink film or mylar. I'm experimenting with home made
double panes, I'll probably stack them. At any rate, regular windows
lose a lot of heat.
>> Make the ones facing South larger.
Until you get into higher R value windows, heat loss almost always
exceeds heat gain. 10 SF of single pane (~R1) will lose 7200 BTU/day if
it 30 degrees colder outside but gain only ~ 2400 BTUs. Break even is
probably about R3. Low e glass can cut heat gain though. There is a lot
to be said for sunshine though.
Maybe eliminate windows in the North
>> or reduce their size?
>> Adding insulation is always a good idea. Lots of foam is free for the
>> hauling.
Areas that have little insulation benefit dramatically with quick
payback. Adding to existing insulation is much less dramatic.
Jeff
Rod Speed
> Here's something that saved us money.
> Price kept going up and soon we were spending 10 bucks a week on the stuff.
> Wife is cook, so she bought a case of the powder mix they use in the
> corp cafeteria for the non-dairy creamer. Almost the same taste as
> the liquid Cremora.
> You mix in hot water, then cold, then refrigerate.
> She was skeptical about it lasting, but a 1/2 gallon pitcher has never
> gone bad on us. 1/2 gallon liquid is the result size of the
> individual packets.
> Cost is now maybe 2 bucks a week for coffee creamer.
> That's a +400 a year savings. +$16,000 for 40 years.
> You might have to ask around to find a source, but it's doable.
> For 16 grand, it's worth it.
> Gordon is her cafeteria supplier.
> I suspect most cafeteria managers will do this for their customers if
> you sweet talk them and have the cash to keep their books balanced.
> Just a tick on the order sheet for them.
MUCH more frugal to give up on that crap completely and drink water out of the tap instead.
Bill
You also need to be able to add...
For example I bought a new refrigerator 5 years ago which cost $800 and
reduced my electric bill by $15 a month (more energy efficient). That works
out to $180 a year. So the refrigerator has paid for itself And now I am
saving $180 a year. But actually more than that because the electric rates
have gone up 3 times since I purchased it.
And my old refrigerator was working just fine. No need to replace it except
to save on energy costs in the long run. Now I am quite glad I made this
decision...
And this would only work for replacing *old* appliances like a refrigerator,
window air conditioner, central air conditioner, furnace, or washing machine
(with a front loading energy saving type).
If the appliances are fairly new, there probably would not be much savings?
And things like an electric dryer or electric heater will not give you any
energy savings by buying a new one. So do your research!
"A VFW" wrote in message
Sasha Brian
Who gives a shit how MUCH more fugal water is, that's not the point.
It's MUCH more frugal to drink water from a hand dug well instead of
having an indoor tap. It's MUCH more frugal to not have a computer but
that hasn't stopped you for some reason. Take your own fucking advice
and do EVERYTHING the MUCH more frugal way.
Rod Speed
>>> Here's something that saved us money.
>>> Price kept going up and soon we were spending 10 bucks a week on
>>> the stuff. Wife is cook, so she bought a case of the powder mix
>>> they use in the
>>> corp cafeteria for the non-dairy creamer. Almost the same taste as
>>> the liquid Cremora.
>>> You mix in hot water, then cold, then refrigerate.
>>> She was skeptical about it lasting, but a 1/2 gallon pitcher has
>>> never gone bad on us. 1/2 gallon liquid is the result size of the
>>> individual packets.
>>> Cost is now maybe 2 bucks a week for coffee creamer.
>>> That's a +400 a year savings. +$16,000 for 40 years.
>>> You might have to ask around to find a source, but it's doable.
>>> For 16 grand, it's worth it.
>>> Gordon is her cafeteria supplier.
>>> I suspect most cafeteria managers will do this for their customers if
>>> you sweet talk them and have the cash to keep their books balanced.
>>> Just a tick on the order sheet for them.
>> MUCH more frugal to give up on that crap completely
>> and drink water out of the tap instead.
> Who gives a shit how MUCH more fugal water is, that's not the point.
Have a look at which newsgroup this is, stupid.
> It's MUCH more frugal to drink water from a hand dug well instead of having an indoor tap.
Wrong, as always. You can dig all you like on my house block, you wont find any water.
Its MUCH more frugal to use the water mains that goes down the street
and you pay for that water even if you never use a drop anyway, stupid.
> It's MUCH more frugal to not have a computer
Wrong again. All the alternative forms of communication are MUCH more expensive, stupid.
> but that hasn't stopped you for some reason.
See above.
> Take your own fucking advice and do EVERYTHING the MUCH more frugal way.
I do thanks. Doesnt cost me a cent to tell fools like you to go and fuck yourselves either.
Sasha Brian
On Jan 29, 5:33 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Who gives a shit how MUCH more fugal water is, that's not the point.
>
> Have a look at which newsgroup this is, stupid.
Yes, It's the "frugal" newsgroup, not the "MUCH" more frugal
newsgroup, fuckwit.
Reams of puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed
where it belongs.
Rod Speed
or anything else at all either, desperately cowering behind
Sasha Brian desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its
predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
Sasha Brian
Regardless, it's the "frugal" newsgroup, not the "MUCH" more frugal
newsgroup, you senile old wanker.
Rod Speed
clams_casino
And here I thought it was the China spam group.
Michael Black
Yet virtually every time someone suggests something, there are other
alternatives. It's up to each to decide how much effort they are willing
to expand (or how much they are willing to "sacrifice") versus how much
they are willing to spend.
How many times have people asked here how to get something cheaper, yet
because they've asked how to get the latest bestseller cheap (or whatever)
they get literal answers that overlook buying used or going to the
library?
Frugality is about making decisions, and you can only make good decisions
by having a variety of choices.
Michael
Vic Smith
wrote:
Sure. But when I mentioned the coffee creamer, I said we liked it,
and I didn't want any arguments about that.
Nobody here is going to stop us from drinking coffee with creamer.
Also mentioned you could always argue omelettes if you want to argue.
Speed cut that out, and started arguing to not drink coffee.
The omelette argument was over, so he found another one.
That's the facts. Wanna argue about it?
--Vic
Bob F
> Sure. But when I mentioned the coffee creamer, I said we liked it,
> and I didn't want any arguments about that.
> Nobody here is going to stop us from drinking coffee with creamer.
> Also mentioned you could always argue omelettes if you want to argue.
> Speed cut that out, and started arguing to not drink coffee.
> The omelette argument was over, so he found another one.
> That's the facts. Wanna argue about it?
Just block him like most others do. He never has anything useful to offer.