OT Oh My Goodness!!!
NG Subber
the Pentagon? I just turned on the news and I just absolutely feel
sick! This is just awful!
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cozyhome
trying to think of my friends that live around the area and work around
there.
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cozyhome wrote:
> My husband just called me and I turned on the tv. My mind is racing
> trying to think of my friends that live around the area and work around
> there.
My heart just goes out to everyone in the US today. What a horrible,
awful day! A plane crashed in Pittsburgh, both trade centres collapsed,
part of the Pentagon and fighter planes still over Washington. Manhattan
is reported as being sealed, no one in, no one out. The RenCen in Detroit
has been evacuated along with other government buildings. Suspicious
activity reported at RenCen but I don't think it has been confirmed yet.
The tunnel from Detroit to Windsor is now closed. Flights from US diverted
to Windsor.
cozyhome
do much damage. I assume it is also a passenger plane that was hijacked
like all the rest. I am still screaming 'WHAT ABOUT AIRPORT SECURITY???
What weapons did they have that allowed them to hijack, why weren't they
found out before boarding the planes?
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Sewmaster
>
> I just got a call from DD about the US - both trade centres and
> the Pentagon? I just turned on the news and I just absolutely feel
> sick! This is just awful!
>
I live in the VA burbs fairly close by, it is a wild day
out there. The phones don't work (high volume of panicked
calls,) the power went off for a while, sirens are all over
the place. Military planes & choppers all over.
Horrifying.
Sewmaster
Jaime
Jaime
NG Subber
Sewmaster wrote:
> I live in the VA burbs fairly close by, it is a wild day
> out there. The phones don't work (high volume of panicked
> calls,) the power went off for a while, sirens are all over
> the place. Military planes & choppers all over.
> Horrifying.
{{{{{{{Sew}}}}}}} My heart just aches for you and everyone going this
horrible, horrible day!
For Canadians with relatives in New York, they just released released
a number to call to find out if your loved one is ok. The number is:
1-800-387-3124. I'll pass on any numbers as they appear. The Canadian
Red Cross has been mobilized to help stranded US citizens in Canada.
There have been 4 confirmed hijackings :(
Ps. Please forgive the OT posting on this issue. They did mention the
financial implications and the fall of the US dollar within minutes of the
collapse of the trade centres. Apparently the major operations for Morgan
Stanley is just gone! The frugal implications of this are yet to be seen.
Sewmaster
There are a large number of folks in my church congregation
who work at the Pentagon, I am really concerned about them.
Just have to wait & see how things are once phone service is
consistent again. I am working with the tv going. I did
manage to check on my DH & DD & they are fine.
DD's building in Alexandria has been closed & she is on her
way home. The traffic is a mess too with all those people
being sent home.
Sewmaster
cozyhome
situated
everywhere getting ready to take down the water supply. Don't assume
anything
impossible during wartimes.
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wrote:
> I'm busy filling jugs of water, in case whoever this is has people
>situated
>everywhere getting ready to take down the water supply. Don't assume
>anything
>impossible during wartimes.
Slow down please. Arafat and the government of Afghanistan have
denied any respnsibility and Arafat, at least, has been quoted as
willing to help find the perps. Iraq hasn't claimed any
responsibility. This appears to be an attack by a small group and not
by a country.
There simply wouldn't be sufficient numbers of terrorists to pose a
widespread attack. Both the WTC and Pentagon are icons, and the choice
of targets was obviously pre-planned, timed, and meant to be of
maximum shock value. Having a widespread group in place to wreak
nationwide havoc is highly unlikely. In any such large group there
would have to be people would would leak information, etc. etc.
Panic stockpiling now would play right into any terrorist plans of
disrupting the normal economy.
These were some sick sick puppies.
Chloe
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I'm with harry on the stockpiling. But I'm going to pass along some advice
from my friend who works for a police department, who suggests avoiding
places where people gather--regardless of your geographic location--for the
time being.
There are even more sick puppies out there who are celebrating.
NG Subber
hchi...@electricrailroad.com wrote:
>
> Panic stockpiling now would play right into any terrorist plans of
> disrupting the normal economy.
Chickpea, I have to agree with you. The premier of Ontario, Mike
Harris, has asked that all Canadians if possible donate blood and for
health care providers and hospitals to remain on alert in the event we are
needed. He has also said that on an individual basis, there is really very
little we can do until the need has been ascertained. The prime minister
has also put the word out for donating blood and has offered Canadian
support and help. The best course of action is to remain calm and not
promote panic. And please, if you can, donate blood. I'm sure it will be
of help. Until more is known about what is needed, all we can do is send
our prayers.
Once again Canadians, if you have loved ones in New York that you are
concerned about, the phone number to call is 1-800-387-3124. It was just
announced that some WTC victims will be flown to Ottawa and Toronto.
> These were some sick sick puppies.
These were highly co-ordinated and carefully planned attacks by those
with the means to do so :( I've been listening to the CBC (Canadian) tv
station. The coverage pictures are just sickening! At this point it is
unknown who exactly is behind the attacks. So, as with helping, it is a
waiting game. Such a horrendous and horrible waste of human life!
cozyhome
Actually, I was raised to believe that a person should ALWAYS keep a little
water in storage, your own water pipe could bust, it wouldn't take
terrorists to do it. Just doing what I was taught should have been done
to start with, not really 'stockpiling' which brings up images of backing a
truck into a store and wiping out the shelves...
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Neander Thal
WHAT ABOUT AIRPORT SECURITY???
Some heads are gonna roll. I recall at least a couple times, shows like
Dateline or 20-20 had exposes on the lack of airport security. One show
even got their people out onto a runway at a major airport. The lackys
at FAA are also responsible, Imo!
Jaime
highjacked. I've been wondering if someone in each case of airline
security was paid of to keep quiet.
Something wasn't right somewhere.
ing
>
> I would say someone is responsible to allow this amount of planes to be
> highjacked. I've been wondering if someone in each case of airline
> security was paid of to keep quiet.
>
> Something wasn't right somewhere.
>
There's been commentary on CBC radio here in Canada that
security on *internal* flights within the US has been
notoriously lax for a long time. Also -- it isn't police
who are responsible for security, it's security guards, some
of whom haven't been trained all that well. Mostly because
hijacking of planes with destinations within the US has been
relatively rare. No one seems to remember the last time it
happened. So perhaps a lot of holes in security weren't
being covered.
But you're right -- four within one hour hijacked seems a very
weird to me too.
ing
NG Subber
>
> relatively rare. No one seems to remember the last time it
> happened. So perhaps a lot of holes in security weren't
> being covered.
>
> But you're right -- four within one hour hijacked seems a very
> weird to me too.
May be a fifth :( Canadian air fighters are in the process of landing a
possible hijacked plane at Whitehorse as I type. The story is still
unfolding. I'm following CBC too.
cozyhome
husband emptied the change from his pockets to get thru. They x-rayed all
our carry ons to make sure there were no weatpons inside. I don't
understand how they did that.
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NG Subber
1-888-236-6283. I haven't seen the number for Red Cross in the US so
perhaps some kind soul could post it.
Rosenugga
>our carry ons to make sure there were no weatpons inside. I don't
>understand how they did that.
There are many weapons available that will not show up on airport metal
detectors. The other day I was watching a home show that was showing a lot of
new products coming out. One thing that they showcased was a set of knives
that the blades were ceramic. I looked at my husband and we both said hmmm
they could pass thorugh metal detectors.
Rose
Mamma to Caity Feb 13 1999 ( Daddy's best birthday present)
Peaches
stunned. Peachy
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NG Subber
cozyhome wrote:
> be sure to tell us everything that happens with this plane, ok?
Two planes were forced down by Canadian Forces fighter jets and are
now just on the ground in Whitehorse, Yukon. The one is a Korean cargo ;
the other is a passenger plane being treated as hijacked. Will keep you
posted as events unfold.
Sewmaster
>
> Sewmaster, our thoughts and prayers go out to you. Please stay safe. I am
> stunned. Peachy
Thanks for those kind thoughts!
DC is pretty much shut down; schools, colleges, etc etc,
all the museums are closed. People are just trying to get home.
I usually do not watch tv during the day at all & was
very surprised to get a panic-stricken call from a VVDF
in NYS asking if I was ok. After reassuring her, I was
shocked to hear the terrible news.
I've had the tv on ever since & have done my work listening
to it.
I hope they catch the evil beasts who did this & kill them
slowly. Life in prison is too good for these monsters.
Sewmaster, feeling very appalled & very grim
Dennis
wrote:
>I went on several flights last year and even had to take off my watch and my
>husband emptied the change from his pockets to get thru. They x-rayed all
>our carry ons to make sure there were no weatpons inside. I don't
>understand how they did that.
On two separate occasions, I have had experiences at airport
checkpoints (completely innocent) where, in retrospect had I been a
hijacker, I could have smuggled a weapon aboard a US domestic flight.
I won't go into the details here. Probably not anything that someone
hasn't already thought of, but no need to spread ideas. The security
is fairly lax at times, and the guards are spread too thin.
Dennis (evil)
--
The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.
Kemalidore
possible hijacked plane at Whitehorse as I type. The story is still
unfolding. I'm following CBC too.
Please keep us posted on this. I live in Alaska, just 8 hours driving time from
Whitehorse. Please email me directly with any information you may recieve
regarding this, Thanks Kelly
NG Subber
NG Subber wrote:
> cozyhome wrote:
>
> > be sure to tell us everything that happens with this plane, ok?
>
> Two planes were forced down by Canadian Forces fighter jets and are
> now just on the ground in Whitehorse, Yukon. The one is a Korean cargo ;
>
Good ending
cozyhome
said. He said that on the very first plane -the first to hit the trade
center, a woman went to the bathroom with her cell phone and called out and
said they had been hijacked and the hijackers had stabbed the piolet/s and
taken control.
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NG Subber
Dennis wrote:
> On two separate occasions, I have had experiences at airport
> checkpoints (completely innocent) where, in retrospect had I been a
> hijacker, I could have smuggled a weapon aboard a US domestic flight.
> I won't go into the details here. Probably not anything that someone
> hasn't already thought of, but no need to spread ideas. The security
> is fairly lax at times, and the guards are spread too thin.
When we flew from to Las Vegas this past May, the security made the female
of the couple we were with take off her sandles and put them through the metal
detector. It was cheaper for us to fly US domestic instead of international from
Canada. Wonder if it depends where you go through?
Polar
wrote:
>Another plane crashed into Camp David (presidential retreat) but failed to
>do much damage. I assume it is also a passenger plane that was hijacked
>like all the rest. I am still screaming 'WHAT ABOUT AIRPORT SECURITY???
>What weapons did they have that allowed them to hijack, why weren't they
>found out before boarding the planes?
Simple. The airlines always knew that their security was a joke.
They are too cheap to hire trained personnel to screen for terrorists.
Instead, they contract to outside firms who send low-level, usually
minority, employees, paid not much more than minim wage. Considering
their circumstances, these employees try to do their job, but it's
obviously not what is required. Journalists have reported over & over
that they were easily able to circumvent the laughable "security" at
airports, not only in luggage screening but in baggage handling.
Save a buck -- kill thousands -- bring the country to a standstill.
--
Polar
Polar
Thanks for that "lackeys". That's exactly what they are; flacks for
the airline industry, and screw the public. Now, students, who runs
the FAA; who appoints its chairman and members?
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Polar
wrote:
Not at all weird, if you consider the tight organization and generous
funding of the Muslim terrorist organizations that are targeting the
U.S. because we support the only democracy in the Middle East.
This was well-planned and organized. Planes headed for California
were targeted because they carried large fuel loads.
BTW - did you know we are sending millions of your tax dollars
annually to the Taliban to "not plant opium" (shades of the insane
"war against drugs"!!!). We have no control over whether the Taliban
funnel those bux to their "guest", Osama Bin Laden, bankroller and
chief anti-U.S. terrorist.
Is it Bin Laden? Arafat? The Hezbollah? Islamic Jihad? Hamas?
Does the money come only from Bin Laden? Or Iraq/Iran/Syria/Libya?
Faceless terror...
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Polar
su-t...@webtv.net
underground bunker.
my first thought is: here's hoping he stays there, & let's someone else
handle this tragedy, who is capable of doing so.
----------
from what i have now read, they were clearing out the buildings around
the damaged ones, when they realized that there was no way left out of
town, & they told people to stay put.
someone also wrote, that people were abandoning their cars on the roads,
& trying to just walk out.
it is a good thing that the weather is not freezing cold yet.
where can all these people go, to find some food & shelter?
hopefully, they will use the school-houses, the larger buildings &
stuff, to try to help them.
-------------------
this is such a tragedy.
all we can do for right now, is to pray, & to hope that someone is put
in charge, who knows what they are doing, & who is capable of doing the
right things.
susan, su_texas my opinions
Polar
wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:48:52 GMT, "cozyhome" <cozy...@prodigy.net>
>wrote:
>
>> I'm busy filling jugs of water, in case whoever this is has people
>>situated
>>everywhere getting ready to take down the water supply. Don't assume
>>anything
>>impossible during wartimes.
>
>Slow down please. Arafat and the government of Afghanistan have
>denied any respnsibility and Arafat, at least, has been quoted as
>willing to help find the perps.
That miserable scum habitually talks out of both sides of his mouth.
Iraq hasn't claimed any
>responsibility. This appears to be an attack by a small group and not
>by a country.
Yes, a "small group" of well-organized and well-funded terrorists.
Take your pick: The Taliban (Bin Laden); Hamas; Hezbollah;
Islamic Jihad; others of the same stripe.
Arafat has never made the slightest effort to control them.
He lies as he breathes.
The Palestinian charter is intact; it still calls for the destruction
of Israel "we will drive the Jews into the sea:.
And now they're teaching Israel's friend a lesson.
>
>There simply wouldn't be sufficient numbers of terrorists to pose a
>widespread attack. Both the WTC and Pentagon are icons, and the choice
>of targets was obviously pre-planned, timed, and meant to be of
>maximum shock value. Having a widespread group in place to wreak
>nationwide havoc is highly unlikely. In any such large group there
>would have to be people would would leak information, etc. etc.
>
>Panic stockpiling now would play right into any terrorist plans of
>disrupting the normal economy.
>
>These were some sick sick puppies.
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Polar
wrote:
On the contrary; the U.S. funds these "monsters".
Your tax dollars at work.
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Polar
NG Subber
su-t...@webtv.net wrote:
> people on the internet are saying, that Bush is now hiding in an
> underground bunker.
According the the news just now, he was in Omaha in a bunker and now
that the teleconference is completed, he now on his way back to Washington.
It was indicated that they are moving him and key members around to protect
them from attack on the leadership. FWIW, Clinton agreed with this
strategy in an interview just a short time ago.
> my first thought is: here's hoping he stays there, & let's someone else
> handle this tragedy, who is capable of doing so.
Given the situation, I doubt anyone is "capable" of handling this
tragedy. They need to confirm the enemy first. Once they do that, then I'm
sure they will have the capability of handling them. The key point now is
saving as many human lives as possible and letting those in the know do what
they have to do.
> from what i have now read, they were clearing out the buildings around
> the damaged ones, when they realized that there was no way left out of
> town, & they told people to stay put.
Building 7 that sat in between the 2 trade towers is now on fire and it
doesn't look good.
> all we can do for right now, is to pray, & to hope that someone is put
No, you can do one thing that just might help save a life, donate blood
if at all possible. I have posted the hot line for Canadian Blood
Services. Hopefully some kind soul will post the phone number for the
American Red Cross. Please?
Dennis
wrote:
>Yes, a "small group" of well-organized and well-funded terrorists.
>Take your pick: The Taliban (Bin Laden); Hamas; Hezbollah;
>Islamic Jihad; others of the same stripe.
>
>Arafat has never made the slightest effort to control them.
>He lies as he breathes.
>
>The Palestinian charter is intact; it still calls for the destruction
>of Israel "we will drive the Jews into the sea:.
>
>And now they're teaching Israel's friend a lesson.
Jesus Christ. The corpses aren't even cold yet, but here you are,
dancing in their blood, trying to get maximum mileage out of this
tragedy to promote your agenda.
Give it a rest, you fucking ghoul.
Dennis (evil)
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the voters are below average intelligence.
D Koester
hospitals or healthcare system
or to donate money 1-800- HELP NOW
As you can imagine it will be very hard to get through right now. I suggest
local community Red cross numbers in your phone books. Our area blood
collections will remain open late today and will be better prepared by
tomorrow to accept more blood.
John Bomberger
wrote:
>Jaime wrote:
>>
>> I would say someone is responsible to allow this amount of planes to be
>> highjacked. I've been wondering if someone in each case of airline
>> security was paid of to keep quiet.
>>
>> Something wasn't right somewhere.
>>
>
>
>There's been commentary on CBC radio here in Canada that
>security on *internal* flights within the US has been
>notoriously lax for a long time. Also -- it isn't police
>who are responsible for security, it's security guards, some
>of whom haven't been trained all that well. Mostly because
>hijacking of planes with destinations within the US has been
>relatively rare. No one seems to remember the last time it
>happened. So perhaps a lot of holes in security weren't
>being covered.
And as someone who is a world traveler, its also because many US folks
whine and moan and complain about showing IDs, having their stuff
searched, security delays and the like.
There are no guarantees (I was in London both at the time of the
iranian embassy situation and one of the herrod's bombings), but a
trip through, say Frankfurt Airport is an education.
Personally, I am always more than wiling to show extra ID, open my
bags, and be delayed in the name of security when necessary, but I
have seen to many vocal "consumers" who are either in too big a hurry
or scream "privacy, privacy"
Barb (who lives a mile or so from the Pentagon in a suburb that has
shut down.
dmeyer...@panix.com
> su-t...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > people on the internet are saying, that Bush is now hiding in an
> > underground bunker.
Which is exactly where the president and the top staff
are _supposed_ to be. Safe, hidden, in control and in
contact.
> According the the news just now, he was in Omaha in a bunker and now
> that the teleconference is completed, he now on his way back to Washington.
> It was indicated that they are moving him and key members around to protect
> them from attack on the leadership. FWIW, Clinton agreed with this
> strategy in an interview just a short time ago.
Yep. With respect to where he physically is, and even with
respect to the building of a staff of knowledgeable experts
around him, he's doing exactly what he should be doing - and
exactly the same thing that _any_ president - Clinton, Bush I,
etc. etc. would be doing.
Attempting to vilify the president (whoever he is) for doing
his job is the tactic of the weak-minded.
> > my first thought is: here's hoping he stays there, & let's someone else
> > handle this tragedy, who is capable of doing so.
>
> Given the situation, I doubt anyone is "capable" of handling this
> tragedy. They need to confirm the enemy first. Once they do that, then I'm
Exactly. Clinton, Gore, Bush II, Reagan - none of them were
experts in military tactics, technology, etc. Every one of
them is an _executive_ who has a staff of experts who help
him deal with things like this.
> Building 7 that sat in between the 2 trade towers is now on fire and it
> doesn't look good.
It's gone. I worked in that building for 4 years. It's gone now.
(Oh, and it was across the street, directly north of the northern
of the two towers, with building 5 between it and the tower).
> No, you can do one thing that just might help save a life, donate blood
> if at all possible. I have posted the hot line for Canadian Blood
> Services. Hopefully some kind soul will post the phone number for the
> American Red Cross. Please?
Folks at blood donation centers are working their asses off.
Folks lining up to donate are in lines waiting their turn.
In the meantime, though, don't tie up phone lines into the
emergency areas. If you know folks there and want to check
on them, do so quickly and get off the lines. Don't panic!
--d (gave blood about a month ago)
--
cozyhome
that it would be clear that I was filling my own jugs at home from my own
tap - not rushing a store.
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> No worries, I don't think anyone will miss my few jugs of water.
> Actually, I was raised to believe that a person should ALWAYS keep a
little
> water in storage, your own water pipe could bust, it wouldn't take
> terrorists to do it. Just doing what I was taught should have been done
> to start with, not really 'stockpiling' which brings up images of backing
a
> truck into a store and wiping out the shelves...
>
> --
> Cozy
> http://www.geocities.com/cozyhomelife
> <hchi...@electricrailroad.com> wrote in message
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> > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:48:52 GMT, "cozyhome" <cozy...@prodigy.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm busy filling jugs of water, in case whoever this is has people
> > >situated
> > >everywhere getting ready to take down the water supply. Don't assume
> > >anything
> > >impossible during wartimes.
> >
> > Slow down please. Arafat and the government of Afghanistan have
> > denied any respnsibility and Arafat, at least, has been quoted as
> > willing to help find the perps. Iraq hasn't claimed any
> > responsibility. This appears to be an attack by a small group and not
> > by a country.
> >
The Real Bev
>
> people on the internet are saying, that Bush is now hiding in an
> underground bunker.
>
> my first thought is: here's hoping he stays there, & let's someone else
> handle this tragedy, who is capable of doing so.
Jeez, put a sock in it.
--
Cheers,
Bev
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Whenever I type x I get x.
John Bomberger
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:19:25 -0700, sme...@mindspring.com (Polar)
>wrote:
>
>>Yes, a "small group" of well-organized and well-funded terrorists.
>>Take your pick: The Taliban (Bin Laden); Hamas; Hezbollah;
>>Islamic Jihad; others of the same stripe.
>>
>>Arafat has never made the slightest effort to control them.
>>He lies as he breathes.
>>
>>The Palestinian charter is intact; it still calls for the destruction
>>of Israel "we will drive the Jews into the sea:.
>>
>>And now they're teaching Israel's friend a lesson.
>
>Jesus Christ. The corpses aren't even cold yet, but here you are,
>dancing in their blood, trying to get maximum mileage out of this
>tragedy to promote your agenda.
And lets not forget, shall we, that the last tragedy of epic
proportions in the county was panned and carried out by a home grown,
all american boy.
Before we start burning people in effigy or in the streets (shades of
the seige), lets do some investigating and find out the facts). For
instance, fact one, this required at least four extremely experienced
commercial style pilots (after all, they had to be flying the planes
themselves to have the kind of aim and timing required)
Barb
>
>Give it a rest, you fucking ghoul.
Agreed
>
>Dennis (evil)
su-t...@webtv.net
dealing with the feelings this causes, can be very difficult.
it causes shock, feelings of disconnect, being in a daze, fear, worry,
difficulties thinking & functioning, ...
i have been told, that this is a form of PTSD (post traumatic stress
disorder).
i wanted to describe this, in case other people are feeling it (or
something similar), but dont understand what is happening.
it is normal to feel & to react this way, to horrible tragedies.
this reaction seems to be a protective mechanism, that is built into us.
sometimes, putting a name or label on something (on some strong feeling
or emotion), can make people feel more in control.
i am sure that many other people understand psychology better than i do,
but i am trying to offer some comfort, & i dont know what to say.
for right now, the way that i am handling this, is to try to keep busy,
to keep moving, to listen to music, & to try to get simple chores done.
the waiting for news & explanation of the attacks, is difficult.
if it is affecting the rest of us this much, i cant even begin to
imagine what it is like, for the people who are in the midst of it & are
injured, or for the rescue workers.
---------------
i can pray, & say i care.
beyond that, i am completely stunned & in shock, & i cant think of
anything i can physically do, that might help.
& i keep hoping/wishing that this is a bad dream, that i will wake up
soon, & that none of this will have happened, .. but it has.
susan, su_texas my opinions
hchi...@electricrailroad.com
>>And now they're teaching Israel's friend a lesson.
>
>Jesus Christ. The corpses aren't even cold yet, but here you are,
>dancing in their blood, trying to get maximum mileage out of this
>tragedy to promote your agenda.
>
>Give it a rest, you fucking ghoul.
>
>Dennis (evil)
Agreed.
Polar, you are being an ass.
Dave Bonar
> Another plane crashed into Camp David (presidential retreat) but failed to
> do much damage. I assume it is also a passenger plane that was hijacked
> like all the rest. I am still screaming 'WHAT ABOUT AIRPORT SECURITY???
> What weapons did they have that allowed them to hijack, why weren't they
> found out before boarding the planes?
As others have said many weapons will not show up on metal detectors.
NPR is reporting the the wife of a reasonably high government official
(I was in the car at the time and didn't catch the name) was on the
plane that struck the Pentagon. She described, via cellphone, the
hijackers as using knives.
Dave
PLATOALSO
Supposedly the highjackers had only knives and perhaps fake weapons.
Air traffic control needs oversight, also.
Barbara Olsen, the conservative commentator, passed the news out about the
knives before her plane crashed. Brave lady.
Mike
"NG Subber" <nonwork...@emailbroken.com> wrote in message
news:3B9E2518...@emailbroken.com...
> I just got a call from DD about the US - both trade centres and
> the Pentagon? I just turned on the news and I just absolutely feel
> sick! This is just awful!
Yes, it's very much sickening. It's also disturbing having to listen to
dim-witted, blood-thirsty reporters ask any official they can get their
hands on the same dumbass questions over and over again - "How many people
are dead? How many injured? How many people were in the buildings?
Numbers, numbers...give us numbers!".
Honestly, it's painfully obvious that numerous people died in today's
tragedy. Obtaining estimated death toll/injury statistics isn't exactly
"need to know" information, much less should anybody be expected to have
such knowledge at such an early stage. I was just listening to an interview
with Rumsfeld on TV. After already responding to a question relating to the
loss of life with "We don't know what the casualty numbers are at this
time", the brilliant reporter followed up with "Can you tell us if it's in
the dozens, hundreds, thousands...". Unbelievable. You just want to reach
inside the TV and slap the shit out of such morbid, blood-thirsty scumbags.
Karen Wheless
> tragedy. Obtaining estimated death toll/injury statistics isn't exactly
> "need to know" information, much less should anybody be expected to have
> such knowledge at such an early stage. I was just listening to an interview
> with Rumsfeld on TV. After already responding to a question relating to the
> loss of life with "We don't know what the casualty numbers are at this
> time", the brilliant reporter followed up with "Can you tell us if it's in
> the dozens, hundreds, thousands...". Unbelievable. You just want to reach
> inside the TV and slap the shit out of such morbid, blood-thirsty scumbags.
I agree that it's premature to get actual numbers at this point, but I
don't think it's just the media who want something concrete. Everywhere
I went today, people were asking "how many people were in the WTC" and
"what are the numbers looking like now". I don't think that's a media
creation, people want to have some idea of how many people. Even though
any number of deaths is tragic, there is a difference between 50,000 (as
was reported early in the day) and 100 deaths.x
Karen
JonquilJan
> if at all possible. I have posted the hot line for Canadian Blood
> Services. Hopefully some kind soul will post the phone number for the
> American Red Cross. Please?
For Blood Donations 1-888-840-1373
For volunteers 1-800-HELP-NOW
suzn
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> my first thought is: here's hoping he stays there, & let's someone else
> handle this tragedy, who is capable of doing so.
Theres a time and place for that.....but right now is definitely NOT a good
time.....
Put your dislike for the President aside and put that energy in thought and
prayer for the ones who lost their lives today and their families......
JonquilJan
> Before we start burning people in effigy or in the streets (shades of
> the seige), lets do some investigating and find out the facts). For
> instance, fact one, this required at least four extremely experienced
> commercial style pilots (after all, they had to be flying the planes
> themselves to have the kind of aim and timing required)
>
> Barb
Actually not. The tricky part of flying a plane is the take off and the
landing - particularly the landing. Actual flying doesn't take a lot of
experience - some but not a lot.
JonquilJan
Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying
Polar
wrote:
I've been calling for hours, but can't get through.
Will try again tomorrow morning.
Finally reached a local office; they said they were swamped and can't
tkae more donations until Thursday.
YMMV.
--
Polar
Polar
Correct. The Osama Bin Laden organization, which has carried out
several major anti-American terrorist attacks in various parts of the
world, is extremely well-organized, well-financed, and might well
count among its resources the pilots you describe.
I can hardly see an American pilot, even with a gun at his/her head,
committing the kind of acts we saw today.
--
Polar
Polar
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:19:25 -0700, sme...@mindspring.com (Polar)
>wrote:
>
>>Yes, a "small group" of well-organized and well-funded terrorists.
>>Take your pick: The Taliban (Bin Laden); Hamas; Hezbollah;
>>Islamic Jihad; others of the same stripe.
>>
>>Arafat has never made the slightest effort to control them.
>>He lies as he breathes.
>>
>>The Palestinian charter is intact; it still calls for the destruction
>>of Israel "we will drive the Jews into the sea:.
>>
>>And now they're teaching Israel's friend a lesson.
>
>Jesus Christ. The corpses aren't even cold yet, but here you are,
>dancing in their blood, trying to get maximum mileage out of this
>tragedy to promote your agenda.
Plonk.
--
Polar
Jeremye Tunnicliff
searching for some way to reach them, I have had no luck with calling (i
didn't really think I would have any luck),my brother works for Boston
Hospital as an EMS and has been placed on emergency standby, which means
if they say go, he goes. Do any of you know any sites that you can look
up E-mail or web pages from addresses and phone numbers? I don't think
they would contact me, but am really worried, and would at least like to
e-mail them, I know both of them have computers for thier home and
business, but don't have the internet addresses.
bluevelv
Polar is obviously a JAP, Harry. (Jewish American Princess).
Only a JAP could delight in the death of thousands literally 6 hours
after the event and before the bodies are even counted, on the
prospect of close US/Israel ties.
Also explains why she's one of the biggest Cunts in the group.
bluevelv
lee
him and wondering how long before we can determine how he's doing, if he's
doing.......
Debra-
Jeremye Tunnicliff <jere...@webtv.net> wrote in article
<20286-3B9...@storefull-232.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
John Bomberger
wrote:
>The wife of the US Solicitor General, I believe. I don't
>know exactly what the Solicitor General actually does.
And she worked for CNN
Barb
>
>Pat
John Bomberger
wrote:
>>>>And now they're teaching Israel's friend a lesson.
>>>
>>>Jesus Christ. The corpses aren't even cold yet, but here you are,
>>>dancing in their blood, trying to get maximum mileage out of this
>>>tragedy to promote your agenda.
>>
>>And lets not forget, shall we, that the last tragedy of epic
>>proportions in the county was panned and carried out by a home grown,
>>all american boy.
>>
>>Before we start burning people in effigy or in the streets (shades of
>>the seige), lets do some investigating and find out the facts). For
>>instance, fact one, this required at least four extremely experienced
>>commercial style pilots (after all, they had to be flying the planes
>>themselves to have the kind of aim and timing required)
>>
>
>Correct. The Osama Bin Laden organization, which has carried out
>several major anti-American terrorist attacks in various parts of the
>world, is extremely well-organized, well-financed, and might well
>count among its resources the pilots you describe.
>
>I can hardly see an American pilot, even with a gun at his/her head,
>committing the kind of acts we saw today.
And can you imagine an american blowing up a courthouse full of
americans including a day care center?
The point remains, that although it is possible, perhaps even likely,
that one organization caused this, to blame that organization and or a
group of people out of hand is inappropriate. Its that kind of
attitude that makes for witch hunting. It also loses you much
sympathy in the process.
When the investigation is finished and the results are in, if you
will, then its time to move forward. Even then, I for one am not
inclined to include all arabs, or all palestinians with the same
brush, nor than I am all israelis or jews.
Barb
su-t...@webtv.net
tragedy.
my thought was, that if we do not have a strong & capable leader, then
where will the leadership & direction be coming from, during this time
of crisis?
(i met Bush, & i was very unfavorably impressed, so i am super-worried!)
i was not saying it mean-spiritedly, .. i was saying that i am genuinely
concerned, worried, & frightened.
i am very hopeful, that someone in the government will step forward,
will show some good/strong leadership, & will give us some hope.
but this is just one issue, that i would rather not focus on it, because
i cant do anything about it.
---------------
in my initial post, i was regretting the further worry that can be
caused, by having a weak person at the helm, during a crisis.
& i was also remembering the royal family during the World War, .. about
how they had stayed in the country & walked among the people, trying to
give them hope & inspire them.
i am in shock, & these were my thoughts.
it's a blind emotional need/drive for some security & strength, i guess.
----------------
today, some of the people here were really scared, when they heard that
Bush had made a stop-over in Louisiana, on his way to his bunker.
they were afraid that the terrorists, would try to bomb here too, in
order to get him.
& they were very fearful for their family's safety, .. as well as their
seriously mourning the tragic loss of life elsewhere.
------------------
this morning at 8 AM, i was at the hospital having medical tests done,
. then, an appt at physical therapy, .. then, some shopping around
town, .. (then, phone calls trying to arrange medical care, & to deal
with legal matters), etc., .. so i was around a lot of people today, & i
saw a lot of reactions.
-------------------
a few people were verbally-attacking other people, & playing the game of
Outrage (usually for no reason).
it was their way of dumping their own bad emotions onto other people.
but most people here, have been very concerned & very caring, about what
has happened.
still, it has been a hard day.
-------------------
as for the internet & newsgroups, i would rather move off the Bush
subject for now, .. & focus on caring about the people who have been
hurt, which is what i already did, until confronted.
i did want to answer your post, because you are the second person to
seize on that one statement, & to comment on it.
at this time, everyone's emotions are pretty raw & frayed, including
mine.
& now that i have explained, let's please drop it.
-----------------------
today, some bad things have happened, that have nothing to do with the
tragedy, so i am hurting pretty badly on a lot of levels.
today has been completely overwhelming for many people, including
myself.
susan, su_texas my opinions
bluevelv
>suzn, that was just one of my thoughts (of many), concerning this
>tragedy.
>
>my thought was, that if we do not have a strong & capable leader, then
>where will the leadership & direction be coming from, during this time
>of crisis?
>
>(i met Bush, & i was very unfavorably impressed, so i am super-worried!)
>
>i was not saying it mean-spiritedly, .. i was saying that i am genuinely
>concerned, worried, & frightened.
Oh, yeah.
Too bad we don't have that Draft-dodging, womanizing, dope-smoking,
bribe-taking Rapist in charge right now.
HE WOULD SHOW THEM. WE COULD ALL FEEL A LOT BETTER WITH HIM IN
CHARGE.
bluevelv
suzn
<su-t...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>
> today has been completely overwhelming for many people, including
> myself.
Yes its been a sad day.....sickening.
I dont live far from DFW airport and normally the skies are crowded with
planes landing and taking off. I was sitting out side earlier this evening
and it was soooo quiet. Too quiet, almost creepy. As I was sitting in the
quiet an F-16 flew over and nearly scared the crap out of me. I wasnt
expecting to hear or see any aircraft in the air.....
Kasper
Had the passengers realized what the hijackers planned, there would
have been a furious fight with the passengers likely winning. In the
past, hijacked planes got landed somewhere ... this was quite a new
twist. I doubt this will work again unless the hijackers get machine
guns on board.
If the pilot of the crashed plane in Pennsylvania deliberately put the
plane into the ground, s/he was a hero. I wonder what that target
was supposed to be?
Kasper
Elaine Gallant
Yes indeed. This event is just one of the results of getting, as Chloe is
fond of saying, "All the government we pay for".
There are no innocent Americans in this situation.
"Polar" <sme...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:34:03 -0400, Sewmaster <sews...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Peaches wrote:
> >>
> >> Sewmaster, our thoughts and prayers go out to you. Please stay safe. I
am
> >> stunned. Peachy
> >
> >
> >
> >Thanks for those kind thoughts!
> >
> >DC is pretty much shut down; schools, colleges, etc etc,
> >all the museums are closed. People are just trying to get home.
> >
> >I usually do not watch tv during the day at all & was
> >very surprised to get a panic-stricken call from a VVDF
> >in NYS asking if I was ok. After reassuring her, I was
> >shocked to hear the terrible news.
> >
> >I've had the tv on ever since & have done my work listening
> >to it.
> >
> >I hope they catch the evil beasts who did this & kill them
> >slowly. Life in prison is too good for these monsters.
>
> On the contrary; the U.S. funds these "monsters".
> Your tax dollars at work.
>
>
> --
>
> Polar
Bob Ward
<elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>Yes indeed. This event is just one of the results of getting, as Chloe is
>fond of saying, "All the government we pay for".
>
>There are no innocent Americans in this situation.
>
Shut the fuck up, Elaine.
cozyhome
my tv set in the USA. But, I did hear something on the news this evening
and I wondered it it involved this same plane you heard about in Canada.
They said that they had uncovered info that terrorists from Canada were
trying to do something at the airport in LA. I wondered if there was a
connection to the news you gave us or not, still am not sure.
I'm so glad you told us, because otherwise, we would have not heard it
here!
--
Cozy
http://www.geocities.com/cozyhomelife
NG Subber <nonwork...@emailbroken.com> wrote in message
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> ing wrote:
>
> >
> > relatively rare. No one seems to remember the last time it
> > happened. So perhaps a lot of holes in security weren't
> > being covered.
> >
> > But you're right -- four within one hour hijacked seems a very
> > weird to me too.
>
> May be a fifth :( Canadian air fighters are in the process of
landing a
> possible hijacked plane at Whitehorse as I type. The story is still
> unfolding. I'm following CBC too.
>
> --
> **
> Business is other people's money. --Delphine de Gerardin
>
>
D Koester
>plane into the ground, s/he was a hero. I wonder what that target
>was supposed to be?
>Kasper
I had wondered that also. It would have fit into their scheme of things if
it had been headed for Philadelphia and the Liberty Bell. This is what is
printed on the bell.
Proclaim LIBERTY throughout all the Land unto all the inhabitants thereof"
(Leviticus 25:10). Just my 2 cents worth.
suzn
"Bob Ward" <bob....@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Shut the fuck up, Elaine.
Thank you Bob.
Tock
Polar wrote in message ...
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:21:06 -0400 (EDT), MrT...@webtv.net (Neander
>Thal) wrote:
>
>>Cozy wrote, in part:
>>WHAT ABOUT AIRPORT SECURITY???
>>Some heads are gonna roll. I recall at least a couple times, shows like
>>Dateline or 20-20 had exposes on the lack of airport security. One show
>>even got their people out onto a runway at a major airport. The lackys
>>at FAA are also responsible, Imo!
>
>Thanks for that "lackeys". That's exactly what they are; flacks for
>the airline industry, and screw the public. Now, students, who runs
>the FAA; who appoints its chairman and members?
>Polar
Hah . . . pretty good . . .
I called a friend who's other half is a flight attendant for American
Airlines . . . both of 'em were home all day today, but when they woke up
this morning and turned on the news, they both just cried. They're
thinking of selling their fancy suburban Dallas home and moving to the
sticks . . . ain't too enthusiastic about getting on a plane again . . .
On another note, I wouldn't be surprised if airport security gets so
tight that lots of people quit flying . . . maybe more business folks will
take to doing business with videoconferencing instead of travelling, and
more folks drive instead of fly . . . who knows . . .
But I pity the fool who the CIA discovers to be responsible for this
tragedy . . .
--Tock
Christina
> If the pilot of the crashed plane in Pennsylvania deliberately put the
> plane into the ground, s/he was a hero. I wonder what that target
> was supposed to be?
>
> Kasper
The theory is that it was heading for Camp David.
Christina
suzn
"Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> There are no innocent Americans in this situation.
Are you positive you are an American? A U.S. citizen?
I dont think you are human.....you are no better than the scum who did this
horrible act today. You are one f*cking ignorant bitch.
Polar
You are right about that. This terrible event is going to lead, I
very much fear, to a security crackdown in the U.S. that could easily
slip into a police state.
It also loses you much
>sympathy in the process.
Thanks. I wasn't aware that I needed your sympathy, so keep it.
>
>When the investigation is finished and the results are in, if you
>will, then its time to move forward. Even then, I for one am not
>inclined to include all arabs, or all palestinians with the same
>brush, nor than I am all israelis or jews.
Nor am I.
As I posted in another NG, one of the biggest tragedies of the
Fundamentalist Islamic world terror is that the educated, intelligent,
entrepreneurial Palestinians who would have wanted to dialog with the
Jews no longer dare do so. They are threatened, then murdered --
some by the charming South African importation, the "necklace"
(burning tire jammed over the victim's arms), or simply shot, as well
as their family suffering. After a while, even the most reasonable
person, who clearly sees that the way to peace is dialog, not
religious fanaticism, is going to give up -- why risk your and your
family's life.
--
Polar
Polar
He is Ted Olsen. The Solicitor General is the U.S. top lawyer.
From Web site: "Supervises and conducts federal litigation in the
United States Supreme Court". He got the appointment because he did
such a bang-up job for the Radical Right, in the Stealing of the
Election.
--
Polar
Polar
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You really think the CIA can find its way out of a paper bag?
The last 20 years, our "intelligence" capability has gone into the
toilet. We have ceased to train on-the-ground experts in languages
and cultures of the countries where they are to work. No more eyes
and ears. If we had had them, perhaps this tragedy could have been
prevented.
Instead, we have jocks patrolling safely at 35,000 feet, dropping
bombs which sometimes even hit their targets! Boys with their toys.
>
--
Polar
Elaine Gallant
"suzn" <suz...@home.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:FCzn7.16457$Uf1.1...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > There are no innocent Americans in this situation.
>
> Are you positive you are an American?
I'm not only an american, I also funded the war. At least I have the good
grace to accept responsibility for our foolishness.
bluevelv
You are such an ignorant Cunt, Polar.
Its "20 years" OF COURSE, and not "8 years".
Cuz then it would be "Clinton's fault".
Yeah - our "intelligence capability" went down the toilet because of
Reagan - YOU STUPID PIECE-OF-SHIT KNOW-NOTHING BITCH.
FUCK YOU.
bluevelv
tddytgr
Mike wrote:
> "NG Subber" <nonwork...@emailbroken.com> wrote in message
> news:3B9E2518...@emailbroken.com...
> > I just got a call from DD about the US - both trade centres and
> > the Pentagon? I just turned on the news and I just absolutely feel
> > sick! This is just awful!
>
> Yes, it's very much sickening. It's also disturbing having to listen to
> dim-witted, blood-thirsty reporters ask any official they can get their
> hands on the same dumbass questions over and over again - "How many people
> are dead? How many injured? How many people were in the buildings?
> Numbers, numbers...give us numbers!".
>
> Honestly, it's painfully obvious that numerous people died in today's
> tragedy. Obtaining estimated death toll/injury statistics isn't exactly
> "need to know" information, much less should anybody be expected to have
> such knowledge at such an early stage. I was just listening to an interview
> with Rumsfeld on TV. After already responding to a question relating to the
> loss of life with "We don't know what the casualty numbers are at this
> time", the brilliant reporter followed up with "Can you tell us if it's in
> the dozens, hundreds, thousands...". Unbelievable. You just want to reach
> inside the TV and slap the shit out of such morbid, blood-thirsty scumbags.
I hope they find out who the scumbags that did this heinous act and punish them
to the fullest extent of military might. If they think they can attack
civilian targets
adn get away with it. Someone ought to teach them a lesson.
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"Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> Yes indeed. This event is just one of the results of getting, as Chloe is
> fond of saying, "All the government we pay for".
>
> There are no innocent Americans in this situation.
Above is your ip address and I.T. provider so lets see if the FBI would
think that YOU are an innocent person?Since you are in a way committing
TREASON against the United States OF America even if this is your opinion.
If you yourself are not innocent then you must be part of the conspiracy
that has taken the lives of many americans today!
May God help you because no one else will!
su-t...@webtv.net
station was reporting, about how the airlines were really losing money
now, because not that many people were flying.
do you think, that they might have been trying to cut costs, by having
less security?
but i dont want to think about that, right now.
tomorrow.
susan, su_texas my opinions
Elaine Gallant
Ha ha. You're going to TELL the FBI every last man jack of us was funding
Israel? Hmmm... it's possible they KNOW that.
"underwaterrecoveryserv" <underwaterr...@home.com> wrote in message
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Elaine Gallant
"tddytgr" <tdd...@home.com> wrote in message
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That's exactly what Hamass said about the US.
demodisk
>Cunt... SHIT ...BITCH ...FUCK YOU.
somebody is off him widdle meds again...
underwaterrecoveryserv
against the U.S. and your comments have been sent to the appropriate
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DragnFlye
communication problem. I live in Fort St John which is a bit south of
Whitehorse and the next major airport after Whitehorse heading south. It
was certainly a cause for alarm--that terrorism *could* be this close, when
I live in the middle of nowhere. Fortunately, it was a false alarm, but
still...
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"NG Subber" <nonwork...@emailbroken.com> wrote in message
DragnFlye
Canadian-US border with a car full of explosives in Dec 1999. He is on
trial right now in New York I think...He has admitted he was going to blow
up the LA airport. I expect Canada will be tightening their borders after
this, if they haven't already.
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"cozyhome" <cozy...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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Kemalidore
my tv set in the USA. But, I did hear something on the news this evening
and I wondered it it involved this same plane you heard about in Canada.
They said that they had uncovered info that terrorists from Canada were
trying to do something at the airport in LA. I wondered if there was a
connection to the news you gave us or not, still am not sure.
I'm so glad you told us, because otherwise, we would have not heard it
here!
Kelly here...I live outside of Anchorage. Earlier this morning the airport was
trying to account for all the planes coming in. One of the planes KLL (Korean
airline) did not report in. We were >< this close to evacuating the entire city
when the pilot finally called in. They were Diverted to Whitehorse, Yukon
Canada where once again they did not clear themselves with the airport. Finally
Canandia and American fighter jets went up there and escorted the plane down
and then from what I understand it was stormed, thinking that there was another
Hostage situation,only to find out that it was low on fuel. Damn fool
pilot...He could have been shot down.
Kemalidore
communication problem. I live in Fort St John which is a bit south of
Whitehorse and the next major airport after Whitehorse heading south. It
was certainly a cause for alarm--that terrorism *could* be this close, when
I live in the middle of nowhere. Fortunately, it was a false alarm, but
still...
kYou are so right. All morning I was horrified by what I was seeing on TV, but
I felt a little bit safe being way over on the other coast and in Alaska, then
when I foudn out about the plane KLL, that was just too close for me.
bow...@encompasserve.org
>>checkpoints (completely innocent) where, in retrospect had I been a
>>hijacker, I could have smuggled a weapon aboard a US domestic flight.
>>I won't go into the details here. Probably not anything that someone
>>hasn't already thought of, but no need to spread ideas. The security
>>is fairly lax at times, and the guards are spread too thin.
>>
>
> I've had similar experiences. I was very unhappy at the
> apparent laxity of security.
Two things to consider... The security is provided by the airlines, NOT by a
central controlling agency. True it's mandated by the government, but it's not
run by them.
Second. According to reports I saw on 2 of the 3 major networks (probably nbc
and abc knowing my viewing habits), it is (or at least was, until yesterday),
PERFECTLY LEGAL to carry a knife on board as long as the blade was less than 4
inches long.
Bruce
ob
> I just got a call from DD about the US - both trade centres and
> the Pentagon? I just turned on the news and I just absolutely feel
> sick! This is just awful!
>
JonquilJan
>
> The wife of the US Solicitor General, I believe. I don't
> know exactly what the Solicitor General actually does.
>
> Pat
She was also a TV commentator - I think for CNN.
JonquilJan
Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying
JonquilJan
Kasper <led...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 11 Sep 2001 23:40:46 GMT, plat...@aol.com (PLATOALSO) wrote:
>
> >Airport screeners in PHL are paid around $7 an hour.
> >
> >Supposedly the highjackers had only knives and perhaps fake weapons.
> >
> >Air traffic control needs oversight, also.
> >
> >Barbara Olsen, the conservative commentator, passed the news out about
the
> >knives before her plane crashed. Brave lady.
>
> Had the passengers realized what the hijackers planned, there would
> have been a furious fight with the passengers likely winning. In the
> past, hijacked planes got landed somewhere ... this was quite a new
> twist. I doubt this will work again unless the hijackers get machine
> guns on board.
>
> If the pilot of the crashed plane in Pennsylvania deliberately put the
> plane into the ground, s/he was a hero. I wonder what that target
> was supposed to be?
>
> Kasper
>
Reportedly, one of the passengers called out on a cell phone and said three
of the passengers were going to try and take over the plane. Said he knew
they were going to crash but they were going to change the target. Plane
crashed shortly thereafter.
ob
"Polar" <sme...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:00:29 -0400, ing <ing.b...@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Jaime wrote:
> >>
> >> I would say someone is responsible to allow this amount of planes
to be
> >> highjacked. I've been wondering if someone in each case of airline
> >> security was paid of to keep quiet.
> >>
> >> Something wasn't right somewhere.
> >>
> >
> >
> >There's been commentary on CBC radio here in Canada that
> >security on *internal* flights within the US has been
> >notoriously lax for a long time. Also -- it isn't police
> >who are responsible for security, it's security guards, some
> >of whom haven't been trained all that well. Mostly because
> >hijacking of planes with destinations within the US has been
> >relatively rare. No one seems to remember the last time it
> >happened. So perhaps a lot of holes in security weren't
> >being covered.
> >
> >But you're right -- four within one hour hijacked seems a very
> >weird to me too.
>
> funding of the Muslim terrorist organizations that are targeting the
> U.S. because we support the only democracy in the Middle East.
>
> This was well-planned and organized. Planes headed for California
> were targeted because they carried large fuel loads.
>
> BTW - did you know we are sending millions of your tax dollars
> annually to the Taliban to "not plant opium" (shades of the insane
> "war against drugs"!!!). We have no control over whether the Taliban
> funnel those bux to their "guest", Osama Bin Laden, bankroller and
> chief anti-U.S. terrorist.
>
> Is it Bin Laden? Arafat? The Hezbollah? Islamic Jihad? Hamas?
> Does the money come only from Bin Laden? Or Iraq/Iran/Syria/Libya?
>
> Faceless terror...
and let's not forget hilary clinton's kissy, kissy with arafat's wife.
ob
<su-t...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> i just remembered, that a few days ago, the national public radio
> station was reporting, about how the airlines were really losing money
> now, because not that many people were flying.
gee, i wonder how long it will take them to recover from this?
ob
"John Bomberger" <mull...@ex-pressnet.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:02:05 GMT, Pat Meadows <p...@meadows.pair.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:39:53 -0400, dbo...@speedfactory.net
> >(Dave Bonar) wrote:
> >
> >>cozyhome <cozy...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Another plane crashed into Camp David (presidential retreat) but
failed to
> >>> do much damage. I assume it is also a passenger plane that was
hijacked
> >>> like all the rest. I am still screaming 'WHAT ABOUT AIRPORT
SECURITY???
> >>> What weapons did they have that allowed them to hijack, why
weren't they
> >>> found out before boarding the planes?
> >>
> >>As others have said many weapons will not show up on metal
detectors.
> >>NPR is reporting the the wife of a reasonably high government
official
> >>(I was in the car at the time and didn't catch the name) was on the
> >>plane that struck the Pentagon. She described, via cellphone, the
> >>hijackers as using knives.
> >>
> >
> >know exactly what the Solicitor General actually does.
barbara olsen. and she wrote a book about clinton's last filthy days
in the wh.
ob
<hchi...@electricrailroad.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:48:52 GMT, "cozyhome" <cozy...@prodigy.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm busy filling jugs of water, in case whoever this is has people
> >situated
> >everywhere getting ready to take down the water supply. Don't
assume
> >anything
> >impossible during wartimes.
>
> Slow down please. Arafat and the government of Afghanistan have
> denied any respnsibility and Arafat, at least, has been quoted as
> willing to help find the perps. Iraq hasn't claimed any
> responsibility. This appears to be an attack by a small group and not
> by a country.
i'd bet bin laden. 3 wks ago, he indicated he was getting ready to do
something. he also mentioned it back in june. he's about the only
one organized to do it.
ob
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:06:08 GMT, hchi...@electricrailroad.com
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:48:52 GMT, "cozyhome" <cozy...@prodigy.net>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I'm busy filling jugs of water, in case whoever this is has
people
> >>situated
> >>everywhere getting ready to take down the water supply. Don't
assume
> >>anything
> >>impossible during wartimes.
> >
> >Slow down please. Arafat and the government of Afghanistan have
> >denied any respnsibility and Arafat, at least, has been quoted as
> >willing to help find the perps.
>
>
> Iraq hasn't claimed any
> >responsibility. This appears to be an attack by a small group and not
> >by a country.
>
> Take your pick: The Taliban (Bin Laden); Hamas; Hezbollah;
> Islamic Jihad; others of the same stripe.
>
> Arafat has never made the slightest effort to control them.
> He lies as he breathes.
>
> The Palestinian charter is intact; it still calls for the destruction
> of Israel "we will drive the Jews into the sea:.
>
> And now they're teaching Israel's friend a lesson.
and let's not forget hilary clinton's kissy, kissy with arafat's wife.
families of a feather.......
JonquilJan
Kemalidore <kemal...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Heightened awareness. Reported locally last night, a small plane was
seen/heard flying around Pen Yan New York (that's to the south and east of
Rochester). The sheriff's office received 60 to 80 phone calls about this.
Plane was escorted back to the small (very) airport at Penn Yan - escorted
by F-16 fighter jets. Small planes fly there all the time - at least they
did before yesterday.
Our view of our vulnerability has changed forever.
ob
"JonquilJan" <war...@imcnet.net> wrote in message
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>
> > Before we start burning people in effigy or in the streets (shades
of
> > the seige), lets do some investigating and find out the facts). For
> > instance, fact one, this required at least four extremely
experienced
> > commercial style pilots (after all, they had to be flying the planes
> > themselves to have the kind of aim and timing required)
hubby is a bcast engineer and worked late last night. he said that the
looting had begun and that middle eastern cabbies were being beaten.
> >
> > Barb
>
>
> Actually not. The tricky part of flying a plane is the take off and
the
> landing - particularly the landing. Actual flying doesn't take a lot
of
> experience - some but not a lot.
ob
> Correct. The Osama Bin Laden organization, which has carried out
> several major anti-American terrorist attacks in various parts of the
> world, is extremely well-organized, well-financed, and might well
> count among its resources the pilots you describe.
>
> I can hardly see an American pilot, even with a gun at his/her head,
> committing the kind of acts we saw today.
they'd have a better chance of survival going down in the water.