Re: Depreciation
BIGtitties
longevity/depreciation.
I bought a new 2010 Accent two months ago, but, being old-school,
didn't think to look
for or ask about a TEMPERATURE GAUGE at time of purchase.
And the salesman didn't tell me about this missing instrument,
either. Since that day he's been hard to contact.
Intentional?
I'll probably never know.
But the absence of an in-dash analog gauge has made me uncomfortable,
and skeptical. Like what ELSE DOESN'T this motor vehicle have?
Irwell
Carburretor, starting handle, ammeter, oil pressure gage,
wind-up windows, etc.etc.
Rod Speed
> I doubt I'll own my 2010 Accent 4-door long
> enough to determine longevity/depreciation.
Your problem.
> I bought a new 2010 Accent two months ago, but, being old-school, didn't
> think to look for or ask about a TEMPERATURE GAUGE at time of purchase.
> And the salesman didn't tell me about this missing instrument,
> either. Since that day he's been hard to contact.
> Intentional?
Unlikely given that few modern cars have them.
> I'll probably never know.
> But the absence of an in-dash analog gauge has made me uncomfortable,
Then fit an after market analog temperature guage. Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.
> and skeptical. Like what ELSE DOESN'T this motor vehicle have?
It doesnt have a buggy whip, or reins, or helmets for the occupants either.
Al
My GMC Sierra has all the gauges and I keep an eye on them. If I were
sitting in the seat of something I test drove, I would immediately
notice what gauges it did have available. I assume you did test drive
the vehicle before purchasing it. Nobody hid anything from you. Having
said all that, many people don't observe the gauges anyway.
Eliminating them keeps the costs down. Modern engine controls do a
very good job of protecting the engine and warning the driver. Chances
are good that you would observe a warning light in plenty of time to
take action. Always good to keep an eye on fluid levels and look under
the vehicle when pulling away from parking spots.
dsi1
You're right that most people, including the OP, don't notice the
gauges. Most don't care either. They only think that they care. The only
thing I care about is a working AC. If that works good and the car is
half-way decent, I'm happy.
The Real Bev
My '68 LTD had a HOT warning light. It came on just after I saw steam
issuing from under the hood and the engine died.
My 88 Caddy has an actual digital temperature reading, but it's buried
in a hierarchy of stuff that you have to push buttons to get to,
removing your eyes from the road. I just leave it set there, but every
once in a while the LOW WASHER FLUID warning over-writes it and I have
to bring it back by hand.
I have NO washer fluid, the bottom is broken out of the container.
Sensors and controls aren't all they're cracked up to be, and never were.
> Always good to keep an eye on fluid levels and look under
> the vehicle when pulling away from parking spots.
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Jeff
40tude.net:
OP, try looking at the tachometer's lower right quadrant.
http://autos.yahoo.com/hyundai/accent/2010/gls-4-
door/pictures/dashboard/5.html
dsi1
>
> My '68 LTD had a HOT warning light. It came on just after I saw steam
> issuing from under the hood and the engine died.
>
> My 88 Caddy has an actual digital temperature reading, but it's buried
> in a hierarchy of stuff that you have to push buttons to get to,
> removing your eyes from the road. I just leave it set there, but every
> once in a while the LOW WASHER FLUID warning over-writes it and I have
> to bring it back by hand.
>
> I have NO washer fluid, the bottom is broken out of the container.
> Sensors and controls aren't all they're cracked up to be, and never were.
>
>> Always good to keep an eye on fluid levels and look under
>> the vehicle when pulling away from parking spots.
>
Cadillac will put stuff in the car that's pretty distracting. I used to
set the digital display on the instantaneous MPG readout and would watch
it go up and down. It went up to 70 MPG. Whoppie! Hopefully they've made
the new ones simpler and easier to set so idiots like me don't spend as
much time futzing with it while driving.
The Real Bev
This one has smallish green letters (requiring reading glasses) and is
located about 2 feet below eye level and a foot to the right. It's
nearly impossible to read during the day. The buttons are tiny, and
require higher-power reading glasses. You can see only one thing at a
time, requiring one or more button pushes to change. I suppose this was
relatively new technology in 1987, but it sucks badly.
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Cheers,
Bev
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Vic Smith
>
>You're right that most people, including the OP, don't notice the
>gauges. Most don't care either. They only think that they care. The only
>thing I care about is a working AC. If that works good and the car is
>half-way decent, I'm happy.
>
Disagree. When starting off on a frigid day I look at my temp gauge
so I know I can stop shivering.
--Vic
Al
> Irwell <h...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:b6fr0u060hul$.fjrzbl2qhr5c$.dlg@
You are right. I just looked for the 2010 Accent dashboard and the
analog temp gauge is clearly there in the lower left. Leads me to
think the OP has problems.
dsi1
There's a lot of computer stuff from the 80's that we'd consider pretty
primitive today. Cadillac pretty much had the most advanced electronic
multi-function display dashboard of it's time. I inherited my 87 Seville
from my father-in-law when he passed away. It was pretty amazing
technology. I didn't even know they made FWD cars with V8s. It drove
ass-low because the gas bag suspension in the back had lost all it's
wind and the air pump went South. It was a super-duper neat car until
most everything broke. That's the breaks.
dsi1
My Sonata comes with seat warmers for frigid days. Unfortunately, I live
in Hawaii and the damn place never gets cold enough. We don't have any
fog here either so I can't really test my fog lamps. The best that I can
do is turn them on at night so I can look like one of those dicks
driving a BMW. :-)
Ed Pawlowski
"Vic Smith" <thismaila...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> Disagree. When starting off on a frigid day I look at my temp gauge
> so I know I can stop shivering.
>
> --Vic
You'd have loved my Buick Regal. The gauge would peg hot as soon as you
turned the key. No shiver needed.
The Real Bev
Friend has a 92 caddy with load-leveling shocks. Who needs shit like
that? When they go bad they run all the time and wipe out the battery.
He hoped to replace them with ordinary shocks, but they don't make
them. I'm SOOO glad my mom's car (now mine) doesn't have those.
> It was a super-duper neat car until
> most everything broke. That's the breaks.
This one can't lock the passenger door with the driver-side switch, and
the passenger window makes gear-grinding noises at the very top and when
it's open about 6 inches. I gave it a new radio, so maybe it won't
break anything else. Although, come to think of it, the window problem
started AFTER I got the radio...
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dsi1
That's one ungrateful car! My guess is that it's holding out for a new
paint job - and not one of those cheapie Maaco deals...
The Real Bev
NOOOO. Cars think that a paint job means they're going up for sale, and
the devil they know is better than the one they don't. If you give an
older car something expensive, it's absolutely guaranteed to break
something MORE expensive. Previous (1978) Caddy got some differential
repair (from an actual Caddy dealer, the shithead) and threw a rod
through the engine a few weeks later.
Besides, how could anybody want to cover up paint called Antelope Fire-Mist?
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dsi1
> On 01/23/11 18:42, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> On 1/23/2011 4:06 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>> This one can't lock the passenger door with the driver-side switch, and
>>> the passenger window makes gear-grinding noises at the very top and when
>>> it's open about 6 inches. I gave it a new radio, so maybe it won't break
>>> anything else. Although, come to think of it, the window problem started
>>> AFTER I got the radio...
>>
>> That's one ungrateful car! My guess is that it's holding out for a new
>> paint job - and not one of those cheapie Maaco deals...
>
> NOOOO. Cars think that a paint job means they're going up for sale, and
> the devil they know is better than the one they don't. If you give an
> older car something expensive, it's absolutely guaranteed to break
> something MORE expensive. Previous (1978) Caddy got some differential
> repair (from an actual Caddy dealer, the shithead) and threw a rod
> through the engine a few weeks later.
Thanks for the info. Those old Caddys sure are obstinate! Obviously,
you're an experienced automotive psychologist. Good for you - we need
folks to tell us why cars act the way they do. I've been lucky, most of
my rides have been pretty well-adjusted. I did have an Austin American
that may have been a little psycho but I suspect that if may have been
over-compensating for it's tiny pistons.
>
> Besides, how could anybody want to cover up paint called Antelope
> Fire-Mist?
>
Not me, there's nothing so shimmering and glimmering as an antelope on
fire running terrified through the woods. :-)
C. E. White
"BIGtitties" <clit...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Many new cars that appear to have analog tempearture gauges in fact do not.
They have computer controlled gauges that mimic an analog gauge. The gauges
appear to move from cold to normal as the ccar warms up, but once the car is
at normal operating temerpature they just stay at normal no matter what the
actual engine temperature is unless it moves out of the range considered
"normal" by the engineers. Ditto for oil pressure gauges.
Ed
C. E. White
"Al" <albu...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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> My GMC Sierra has all the gauges and I keep an eye on them.
But how many are in fact "real" gauges? GM does still include a real
pressure transducer for oil pressure (or at least they did the last time I
looked at GM Truck Manual), BUT the dash oil pressure gauge is not connected
directly to the transducer. The signal for all of the gauges is routed
trough the PCM, so GM can play the same sort of games with the dash reading
as anyone else. Maybe the reading are "real time" or maybe not (hard to tell
from the wiring diagrams). But at least they do gather actual oil pressure
information beyond some and none - although given the reliability of most
cheap transducers I am not sure there is any practical difference.
Ed
Al
> "Al" <albun...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
I know what you are saying is true on some cars, but I have verified
the gauges on my Sierra and they are pretty dam accurate at all ranges.
C. E. White
The way GMC describes the gauges on the 2011 models leaves a lot of wiggle
room. They say:
"Instrumentation: Analog cluster with speedometer, fuel level, engine
temperature and tachometer. On 1500 SLE , SLT and Denali models, includes
voltmeter and oil pressure indicators."
Indicators seems to imply that they might not be real analog gauges....
Ed
Rod Speed
No it does not, and its completely trivial to prove how they actually work.
Vic Smith
<cewh...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>"Al" <albu...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
>
>The way GMC describes the gauges on the 2011 models leaves a lot of wiggle
>room. They say:
>
>"Instrumentation: Analog cluster with speedometer, fuel level, engine
>temperature and tachometer. On 1500 SLE , SLT and Denali models, includes
>voltmeter and oil pressure indicators."
>
>Indicators seems to imply that they might not be real analog gauges....
>
>Ed
>
Aside from display preference and whether the gauges are discrete, it
makes absolutely no difference.
By discrete I mean mostly segregated from other systems.
Lighting might be tied to a common electrical source.
The ECU shouldn't get between the sensor and display.
I prefer analog display.
But piping oil to a bourdon tube gauge means absolutely nothing if the
gauge is no good or the piping gets obstructed.
If it's accurate, it's accurate.
Anybody who is concerned about gauge accuracy should test with another
gauge to verify.
--Vic
dsi1
The temperature gauge in my 99 Camry sure acts like a fake analog gauge.
I've never had a gauge that was so rock steady. That's OK, it would
probably cause me worry if moved all over the place like real gauges do.
Thanks for the low down.