Affordable Fallout Shelters?

[T...@noneofyourbiz.com]

Does anyone know of any plans for an affordable Fallout Shelter?
I've found plans online, but they are very complex and probably cost
more than I paid for my home to build them. Being retired and on a fixed
income, I simply can not afford something like those.

However, since Trump is in the Whitehouse, there has never been a better
and more important time to prepare for the inevitable.

I'm sure there are ways to build cost effective shelters. After all,
safety is not just reserved for the rich. (Except in Trumps fantasy
world).

[The Real Bev]

A lot of people built them back in the early '60s. It's probably
cheaper to buy a house with one than to build a new one. Besides, what
with turnover, the neighbors probably don't know about the old shelter.

--
Cheers, Bev
"I believe that forgiving [terrorists] is God's function.
Our job is to arrange the meeting."
- Norman Schwartzkopf

[Michael Black]

On Sat, 4 Feb 2017, The Real Bev wrote:

> On 02/04/2017 09:21 PM, T...@noneofyourbiz.com wrote:
>> Does anyone know of any plans for an affordable Fallout Shelter?
>> I've found plans online, but they are very complex and probably cost
>> more than I paid for my home to build them. Being retired and on a fixed
>> income, I simply can not afford something like those.
>>
>> However, since Trump is in the Whitehouse, there has never been a better
>> and more important time to prepare for the inevitable.
>>
>> I'm sure there are ways to build cost effective shelters. After all,
>> safety is not just reserved for the rich. (Except in Trumps fantasy
>> world).
>
> A lot of people built them back in the early '60s. It's probably cheaper to
> buy a house with one than to build a new one. Besides, what with turnover,
> the neighbors probably don't know about the old shelter.
>

They made a comeback in the eighties, so old survivalist magazines might
have more recent instructions on how to build one.

When I was 5, we spent six months in Copenhagen Denmark. And one of the
neighbor's houses had a bomb shelter in the backyard, I saw it.

Decades later, when thinking about that, I assumed it was part of that
late fifties/early sixties thing, people worried about nuclear bombs.
But then in reading about WWII, specifically about POWs escaping and then
hiding in a bomb shelter in someone's backyard, I realized that it was
probably left over from WWII. It didn't have to be as significant then,
no worry about radiation.

Every so often (or maybe that period has ended), old missile silos go up
for sale. Those might make a decent hideaway, though kind of big and
maybe damp inside.

Michael

[The Real Bev]

On 02/05/2017 08:12 AM, Michael Black wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Feb 2017, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> On 02/04/2017 09:21 PM, T...@noneofyourbiz.com wrote:
>>> Does anyone know of any plans for an affordable Fallout Shelter?
>>> I've found plans online, but they are very complex and probably cost
>>> more than I paid for my home to build them. Being retired and on a fixed
>>> income, I simply can not afford something like those.
>>>
>>> However, since Trump is in the Whitehouse, there has never been a better
>>> and more important time to prepare for the inevitable.
>>>
>>> I'm sure there are ways to build cost effective shelters. After all,
>>> safety is not just reserved for the rich. (Except in Trumps fantasy
>>> world).
>>
>> A lot of people built them back in the early '60s. It's probably cheaper to
>> buy a house with one than to build a new one. Besides, what with turnover,
>> the neighbors probably don't know about the old shelter.

My first real job -- the director of the lab spent a LOT of time away
from work supervising its construction. We snickered. It's probably a
wine cellar now.

> They made a comeback in the eighties, so old survivalist magazines might
> have more recent instructions on how to build one.
>
> When I was 5, we spent six months in Copenhagen Denmark. And one of the
> neighbor's houses had a bomb shelter in the backyard, I saw it.
>
> Decades later, when thinking about that, I assumed it was part of that
> late fifties/early sixties thing, people worried about nuclear bombs.
> But then in reading about WWII, specifically about POWs escaping and then
> hiding in a bomb shelter in someone's backyard, I realized that it was
> probably left over from WWII. It didn't have to be as significant then,
> no worry about radiation.
>
> Every so often (or maybe that period has ended), old missile silos go up
> for sale. Those might make a decent hideaway, though kind of big and
> maybe damp inside.

I saw photos of one which was converted by a very rich person into a
very luxurious home. I don't think they put them in desirable places,
though.

--
Cheers, Bev
"I read somewhere that 77 per cent of all the mentally ill live in
poverty. Actually, I'm more intrigued by the 23 per cent who are
apparently doing quite well for themselves." -- Emo Philips

[21bla...@gmail.com]

how about a [used] Storage Container?

just dig a hole [saw a movie with one in it]

they even make Homes with storage containers now

marc

[Dennis]

Right, because it would make so much sense for a guy with a
multibillion dollar investment in real estate to start a nuclear war.
You've been hypnotized by the left; you are worrying about
hallucinations.

Dennis (evil)
--
I'm a hands-on, footloose, knee-jerk head case. -George Carlin

[The Real Bev]

They cost something like $2K delivered. OTOH, the Zoning People aren't
likely to approve -- the shitheads get upset if I park on the "lawn" in
my front yard.


--
Cheers, Bev
"When I was a kid my dad once joked that the best way to
prevent being on a plane with someone carrying a bomb
would be to bring your own bomb and not detonate it.
Sounded convincing. What are the odds that two people
board, each with a bomb?" -- Rowdy

[wilm...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 9:24:18 PM UTC-8, T...@noneofyourbiz.com wrote:
> Does anyone know of any plans for an affordable Fallout Shelter?
> I've found plans online, but they are very complex and probably cost
> more than I paid for my home to build them. Being retired and on a fixed
> income, I simply can not afford something like those.
>

Retired and poor. Why would you care if you survived Armageddon? It wouldn't be fun. Your DNA is already degraded enough that you wouldn't make a good "father of mankind". All your friends and family will be gone. Common courtesy would just be a memory.

To think a holocaust is survivable is to suppose it is possible.

Best to take that money and effort and dedicate it to something that will further humanity. Children's hospitals, feeding the poor, affordable education, the Tea Party. Heh heh, just kidding on the last one.

[BigDog811]

Bad idea. Those things are designed to be stacked not buried. The sides and tops will buckle under the constant pressure of earth pressing against them. Here's one of several articles you can find with a google search:

http://graywolfsurvival.com/2625/why-you-shouldnt-bury-a-shipping-container-for-a-shtf-bunker/

[The Real Bev]

Au contraire. Buy weapons and ammo. Lots of both. Be creative. This
is your last chance to play Mad Max for real!

--
Cheers, Bev
"No one's life, liberty or property is safe while
the legislature is in session." -- Mark Twain

[Michael Black]

On Sun, 5 Feb 2017, The Real Bev wrote:

> On 02/05/2017 12:02 PM, 21bla...@gmail.com wrote:
>> how about a [used] Storage Container?
>>
>> just dig a hole [saw a movie with one in it]
>>
>> they even make Homes with storage containers now
>
> They cost something like $2K delivered. OTOH, the Zoning People aren't
> likely to approve -- the shitheads get upset if I park on the "lawn" in my
> front yard.
>

I was never sure which was cause or effect.

All that "back to the land" stuff now almost fifty years ago, was it
really that they wanted to be farmers, or because living in the country,
they could build however they liked? All those geodesic domes and houses
made from scrap, it was cheap because they could avoid building codes.
And when starting from scratch, it's easier to build a home that is energy
efficient (don't forget underground homes!) than to retrofit an existing
home. So you get weird houses, but they were cheap and probably cheaper
to run.

Of course, it works other ways. There was a story last year about a hosue
like that, and I don't think "energy efficient" was factored in, just
"cheap" and it doesn't look healthy. But more important, when the guy
built it, he was living in fair isolation, but it became a much less rural
area in more recent times, "civilization" encroaching on the "wilderness"
and suddenly people not liking that ugly eyesore of a home.

Michael

[The Real Bev]

The "suburb" I live in was built cheesily so that returning Korean War
vets would have a place to live. Under 900 SF, corners aren't square,
the plumbing and electrical work was done by third-graders with inferior
materials, and the design precludes any sort of expansion that doesn't
involve knocking down at least half of the house. No insulation, we
put some in the "attic" ourselves. The thought of the City Assholes
wanting to preserve "values" is laughable. If they were concerned about
that they wouldn't have planted magnolias and Chinese elms as street
trees and then neglected trimming them -- giving the residents a free
lesson in the concept of "self pruning".

Apparently some SoCal architects are building (or threatening to build)
a house out of multiple stacked containers -- adding insulation, glass,
DESIGN, etc. The picture looks fine.


--
Cheers, Bev
You know it's time to clean the refrigerator when
something closes the door from the inside.