Rod vs. Ed... you be the referee
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign
Australians promised to be. The overwhelming encyclopedic knowledge of
a librarian vs. the man from the outback.
I'm inclining more and more to Ed's arguments as he delivers punches,
some of them below the belt, against the man who has absolutely
nothing to say. But you be the referee!
--------------------------------------------------------
Don Klipstein
>It's been a tough fight as any fight between Minnesotans and
>Australians promised to be. The overwhelming encyclopedic knowledge of
>a librarian vs. the man from the outback.
>
>I'm inclining more and more to Ed's arguments as he delivers punches,
>some of them below the belt, against the man who has absolutely
>nothing to say. But you be the referee!
You're talking about the petty battle between someone who does not mind
making Minnesotans look bad and someone who does not mind making Aussies
look bad?
The Aussie here gained a FAQ and in ~1995 had an "alt" Usenet newsgroup
existing, named after him.
I would favor the particular Minnesotan here over the infamous Aussie
here, between those two lowly folks. To me, the infamous Aussie is a
particularly bad sub-troll that likes to irritate everyone, especially
those who work for a living.
As for frugal living: I own a car, but I don't use it to commute to my
day job. Instead, I mostly use my bike (not much slower) and after that,
a major done-well public transit line.
--
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
Edward Dolan
news:slrnimqck...@manx.misty.com...
> In <90199647-994a-4de2...@i39g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey wrote:
>
>>It's been a tough fight as any fight between Minnesotans and
>>Australians promised to be. The overwhelming encyclopedic knowledge of
>>a librarian vs. the man from the outback.
>>
>>I'm inclining more and more to Ed's arguments as he delivers punches,
>>some of them below the belt, against the man who has absolutely
>>nothing to say. But you be the referee!
>
> You're talking about the petty battle between someone who does not mind
> making Minnesotans look bad and someone who does not mind making Aussies
> look bad?
Anyone who freely chooses to live in a northern clime is some kind of idiot
for sure. Minnesota is a place to get out of, never a place to get to. TM at
least has brains enough to live in a southern clime (Florida).
[...]
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign
> "Don Klipstein" <d...@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
>
> news:slrnimqck...@manx.misty.com...
>
> > His Highness the TibetanMonkey wrote:
>
> >>It's been a tough fight as any fight between Minnesotans and
> >>Australians promised to be. The overwhelming encyclopedic knowledge of
> >>a librarian vs. the man from the outback.
>
> >>I'm inclining more and more to Ed's arguments as he delivers punches,
> >>some of them below the belt, against the man who has absolutely
> >>nothing to say. But you be the referee!
>
> > You're talking about the petty battle between someone who does not mind
> > making Minnesotans look bad and someone who does not mind making Aussies
> > look bad?
>
> Anyone who freely chooses to live in a northern clime is some kind of idiot
> for sure. Minnesota is a place to get out of, never a place to get to. TM at
> least has brains enough to live in a southern clime (Florida).
> [...]
>
Hey, life's a beach! Just came from it, kicking sand for a change. You
better not be caught in traffic though!
You sacrifice civilization as you come to the tropics, but you can lie
under a mango tree. Beware of Australia though as the outback is only
good for aborigines.
Rod Speed
Edward Dolan
news:8t5i67...@mid.individual.net...
> Mr Ed the donkey Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could
> leave for dead.
The Aussie Rod Speed is the expert on puerile shit since he eats it fresh
every day like all Aborigines and then regurgitates it to Usenet.
>
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote in message
Can't we stop the blows below the belt? ;)
Tºm Shermªn™ °_°
> [...] As for frugal living: I own a car, but I don't use it to commute to my
> day job. Instead, I mostly use my bike (not much slower) and after that,
> a major done-well public transit line.
I am paid to drive my pick-em-up truck for work.
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
Rod Speed
Jeff Thies
> In<90199647-994a-4de2...@i39g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey wrote:
>
>> It's been a tough fight as any fight between Minnesotans and
>> Australians promised to be. The overwhelming encyclopedic knowledge of
>> a librarian vs. the man from the outback.
>>
>> I'm inclining more and more to Ed's arguments as he delivers punches,
>> some of them below the belt, against the man who has absolutely
>> nothing to say. But you be the referee!
>
> You're talking about the petty battle between someone who does not mind
> making Minnesotans look bad and someone who does not mind making Aussies
> look bad?
>
> The Aussie here gained a FAQ and in ~1995 had an "alt" Usenet newsgroup
> existing, named after him.
>
> I would favor the particular Minnesotan here over the infamous Aussie
> here, between those two lowly folks.
Now, for pretty much the same reasons I favor the Aussie. I mean, the
man is a *legend*. I'm afraid Ed will never have that sort of infamy.
Jeff
Don Klipstein
The Aussie appears to me to be a "legend" for reasons to rank him as a
sub-troll under trolls and the Minnesotan.
For one thing, between those two lowly folks, the Aussie is the one that
likes to irritate many others, especially those who work for a living.
I hope the 16-plus-year-old largely-current FAQ on the infamous Aussie
says it well enough!
Jeff Thies
I may be more used to being insulted than you. It rolls off my back and
I go for the entertainment value. You know, you don't have to play the game.
I have a friend that is very insulting, but also very generous. And I
accept that that in him. If I didn't he wouldn't have any friend(s)!
The key, I think, is just avoiding frustration. If you don't argue
with the Aussie, there is no point let alone any reward, he's amusing
enough. If you act like you have a dog in that fight then you will have
a miserable experience. People, after all, do what they do best, even if
it is stupid and counter productive.
Anything new in lighting?
Jeff
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign
> As for frugal living: I own a car, but I don't use it to commute to my
> day job. Instead, I mostly use my bike (not much slower) and after that,
> a major done-well public transit line.
> --
Yep, I declare you winner of this match!
We all know the clash of Rod vs. Ed is about personality not content.
Ed is a conservative and Rod sounds like one too, so there are no
winners.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign
> On 3/1/2011 12:53 PM, Don Klipstein wrote:
>
>
>
I don't think he calls himself "great" for nothing. He must have a
reason.
Tºm Shermªn™ °_°
Yes, people with easily hurt feeling from ad hominem attacks should not
participate in Usenet discussions on controversial subjects.
Jeff Thies
Who said *anything* about controversial?
We are talking about two usenet denizens who will pick a fight over
anything, and everything. Not that unusual for usenet where battles of
personality consume great thread lengths. It's like pro wrestling, but
"real".
Jeff
Jeff
>
Jeff Thies
Perhaps to distinguish himself from "Ed Dolan the Lesser"? This is
Minnesota.
He must have a
> reason.
He did get RS to emulate the copy/paste insult bit. Although it is a
bit hard to tell whether RS copy/pasted before. He never mistyped
"fuckwit" and he also never got "course" right. I'll give him
consistency. Machine or mind, I do not know.
Jeff
Jeff Thies
>
>> As for frugal living: I own a car, but I don't use it to commute to my
>> day job. Instead, I mostly use my bike (not much slower) and after that,
>> a major done-well public transit line.
>> --
>
> Yep, I declare you winner of this match!
>
> We all know the clash of Rod vs. Ed is about personality not content.
> Ed is a conservative
yes.
and Rod sounds like one too,
I think not. He is a libertarian/liberal/lunatic (lll). Definitely not a
social conservative.
so there are no
> winners.
No winners? As long as I'm laughing, I'm the winner!
Jeff
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign
> On 3/2/2011 8:30 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the
> Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote:
>
> > On Mar 1, 12:53 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
>
> >> As for frugal living: I own a car, but I don't use it to commute to my
> >> day job. Instead, I mostly use my bike (not much slower) and after that,
> >> a major done-well public transit line.
> >> --
>
> > Yep, I declare you winner of this match!
>
> > We all know the clash of Rod vs. Ed is about personality not content.
> > Ed is a conservative
>
> yes.
He sounds progressive sometimes, like asking for room for cyclists.
Rod denies you that.
>
> and Rod sounds like one too,
>
> I think not. He is a libertarian/liberal/lunatic (lll). Definitely not a
> social conservative.
Oh I thought they only happened in America. The virus must have been
gotten out. ;)
Rod Speed
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote
>> We all know the clash of Rod vs. Ed is about personality not content.
>> Ed is a conservative
> yes.
>> and Rod sounds like one too,
> I think not. He is a libertarian
Nope.
> /liberal/
Nope.
> lunatic (lll).
Nope.
> Definitely not a social conservative.
Not in the american sense, but I am in the sense of the second
one here, I do support modern welfare system, basically social
safetynets tho I dont like the fact that any safetynet does see
some choose to not bother to make their own provision for life
after work, or between jobs and just use the safetynet instead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conservative
>> so there are no winners.
> No winners? As long as I'm laughing, I'm the winner!
Nope, just a spectator at most.
Rod Speed
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote
>>>> As for frugal living: I own a car, but I don't use it to commute
>>>> to my day job. Instead, I mostly use my bike (not much slower)
>>>> and after that, a major done-well public transit line.
>>> Yep, I declare you winner of this match!
>>> We all know the clash of Rod vs. Ed is about personality not content. Ed is a conservative
>> yes.
> He sounds progressive sometimes, like asking for room for cyclists.
> Rod denies you that.
No I dont. You cant distinguish between tongue in cheek comments and what I believe.
Edward Dolan
message news:iklhbd$d9e$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
[...]
> Yes, people with easily hurt feeling from ad hominem attacks should not
> participate in Usenet discussions on controversial subjects.
It is really odd how much I agree with Tom Sherman in everything except
politics. We should go for a bike ride together some day.
Edward Dolan
news:ikkedo$esi$1...@news.albasani.net...
> On 3/1/2011 12:53 PM, Don Klipstein wrote:
>> I would favor the particular Minnesotan here over the infamous Aussie
>> here, between those two lowly folks.
>
> Now, for pretty much the same reasons I favor the Aussie. I mean, the
> man is a *legend*. I'm afraid Ed will never have that sort of infamy.
RS is just posting copy and paste idiocy. That is an admission of defeat in
any newsgroup I have ever been part of, but maybe that kind of crap
impresses you. If so, cozy up to RS. He will welcome someone like himself.
Edward Dolan
news:8f7baff9-928b-4b49...@d23g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
[...]
> I don't think he [Ed Dolan] calls himself "great" for nothing. He must
> have a
reason.
TM is starting to figure me out. That "Great" business is a stratagem I
invented to combat all the idiots that I encountered on Usenet. Same goes
for "Great Saint", to combat all the immoral cretins. I will always assume
the high ground since of course I am higher than all of the rest of you.
Yea, even higher than Tom Sherman who is the most intelligent poster to
these newsgroups even though infected in his mind by
liberalism-socialism-communism.
Edward Dolan
Campaign" <comandan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
[...]
> We all know the clash of Rod vs. Ed is about personality not content.
Ed is a conservative and Rod sounds like one too, so there are no
winners.
TM, you are almost there. I urge you to stop with your single minded
crusade. We need you on these newsgroups for general discussion.
As you well know I am on your side when it come to how dangerous it is to
cycle on the roads with motorists. But you need to move on now. I think you
have the intelligence to make for some interesting discussions, but only if
you drop your crusade.
By the way, never lose your good nature. It is what separates you from all
the rest of us.
Edward Dolan
[...]
>
> I think not. He [Rod Speed] is a libertarian/liberal/lunatic (lll).
Jeff has got that exactly right.
I have had some of my worst arguments with libertarians. I hate the whole
breed. I understand progressive liberals since I was once one myself. I have
had some very nasty augments with conservatives too. You get too
conservative with me at your peril. After all, there is such a thing as the
social contract. Even a nut like Rousseau was not totally wrong about
everything.
Edward Dolan
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
> Campaign wrote
>> Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote
>>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
>>> Campaign wrote
>>>> d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote
>
>>>>> As for frugal living: I own a car, but I don't use it to commute
>>>>> to my day job. Instead, I mostly use my bike (not much slower)
>>>>> and after that, a major done-well public transit line.
>
>>>> Yep, I declare you winner of this match!
>
>>>> We all know the clash of Rod vs. Ed is about personality not content.
>>>> Ed is a conservative
>
>>> yes.
>
>> He sounds progressive sometimes, like asking for room for cyclists.
>> Rod denies you that.
>
> No I dont. You cant distinguish between tongue in cheek comments and what
> I believe.
That is because you seem to be permanently constipated. Try to express
yourself in a complete well thought out paragraph instead of a single
sentence. Or do you want that we should think you are stupid?
>>> and Rod sounds like one too,
>
>>> I think not. He is a libertarian/liberal/lunatic (lll). Definitely not a
>>> social conservative.
>
>> Oh I thought they only happened in America. The virus must have been
>> gotten out. ;)
Again, a failure of communication on your part. Try to write paragraphs
where you can fully explain yourself. Or do you want that we should think
you are stupid?
Edward Dolan
[...]
> Not in the american sense, but I am in the sense of the second
> one here, I do support modern welfare system, basically social
> safetynets tho I dont like the fact that any safetynet does see
> some choose to not bother to make their own provision for life
> after work, or between jobs and just use the safetynet instead.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conservative
Nope, you are a libertarian whether you realize it or not. There is more to
society than a safety net. Life is full of accidents and the race is not to
the swift nor the fight to the strong.
It is a pity you are so stupid as not realize the basic elemental properties
of what it is to be a human creature on this earth. TM is a simpleton, but
he is far wiser than you.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign
> Not in the american sense, but I am in the sense of the second
> one here, I do support modern welfare system, basically social
> safetynets tho I dont like the fact that any safetynet does see
> some choose to not bother to make their own provision for life
> after work, or between jobs and just use the safetynet instead.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conservative
Your philosophy seems very fitting for the outback: It provides for
casual contact between species, but not cooperation in crowded spaces.
I'll explain: A philosophy born in Amsterdam must be very different.
Edward Dolan
"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Bravo TM! You have no idea how I am going to start reading your posts if
only you can keep off of your crusade.
I could take some lessons from you in how to remain civil I must admit. Your
good nature is priceless on these newsgroups.
Rod Speed
Rod Speed
> Jeff Thies <jeff_...@att.net> wrote
>> I think not. He [Rod Speed] is a libertarian/liberal/lunatic (lll).
>> Definitely not a social conservative.
> Jeff has got that exactly right.
Nope, miles out.
Rod Speed
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Jeff Thies wrote
>>> Definitely not a social conservative.
>> Not in the american sense, but I am in the sense of the second
>> one here, I do support modern welfare system, basically social
>> safetynets tho I dont like the fact that any safetynet does see
>> some choose to not bother to make their own provision for life
>> after work, or between jobs and just use the safetynet instead.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conservative
> Nope, you are a libertarian whether you realize it or not.
Nope. I have never ever advocated very small govt.
A decent modern universal health care system is nothing even remotely resembling anything like libertarian.
> There is more to society than a safety net.
Never said there wasnt. Thats just the evidence that I am a social
conservative in the sense of the second one in that wikipedia entry.
> Life is full of accidents
Yes, but govt safetynets arent the only way to handle those.
I do support govt safetynets for those, basically because so
many dont bother to do anything about the alternatives particularly
when they are young and assume it cant happen to them and for
those whose parents are too stupid to bother with the alternatives etc.
> and the race is not to the swift nor the fight to the strong.
More of your mindlessly superficial shit.
<reams of your puerile attempts at insults any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where they belong>
Edward Dolan
> Mr Ed the donkey Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could
> leave for dead.
After its recent emergence in the thread "How to calculate increase
of home wireless router range?", readers of this group may find
this useful. [based on a post in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage]
Who or What is Rod Speed?
Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod
Speed is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered
he can enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the
big, hard man" on the InterNet.
Rod is believed to be from Australia.
Rod certainly posts a lot. Why is that?
It relates back to the point about boosting his own self esteem by
what amounts to effectively having a wank in public. Rod's
personality, as exemplified by his posts, means he is practically
unemployable which means he sits around at home all day festering
away and getting worse and worse. This means he posts more and
more try and boost the old failing self esteem. Being unemployed
also means he as a lot of time on his hands to post in he first
place.
But maybe Rod really is a very clever and knowledgable person?
Clever? His posts wouldn't support that theory. As far as being
knowledgable, well, Rod has posted to various aus newsgroups
including invest, comms, and politics. He has posted to all as a
self professed "expert" and flames any and all who disagree with
him. Logically, here's no way any single individual could be
more than a jack of all trades across such a wide spread of
subject matter.
But maybe Rod really is an expert in some areas?
Possibly. However, his "bedside manner" prevents him from being
taken seriously by most normal people. Also, he has damaged his
credibility in areas where he might know what he's on about by
shooting his self in the foot in areas where he does not. For
example, in the case of subject matter such as politics, even a
view held by Albert Einstein cannot be little more than an
opinion and to vociferously denigrate an opposing opinion is
simply small mindedness and bigotry, the kind of which Einstein
himself fought against his whole life.
What is Rod Speed's main modus operandi?
Simple! He shoots off a half brained opinion in response to any
other post and touts that opinion as fact. When challenged, he
responds with vociferous and rabid denigration. He has an
instantly recognisable set of schoolboy put downs limited pretty
much to the following: "Pathetic, Puerile, Little Boy, try
harder, trivial, more lies, gutless wonder, wanker, etc etc".
The fact that Rod has been unable to come up with any new insults
says a lot about his outlook and intelligence.
But why do so many people respond to Rod in turn?
It has to do with effrontery and a lack of logic. Most people
who post have some basis of reason for what they write and when
Rod retorts with his usual denigration and derision they respond
emotionally rather than logically. It's like a teacher in a
class room who has a misbehaving pupil. The teacher challenges
the pupil to explain himself and the student responds with "***
off, Big Nose!" Even thought the teacher has a fairly normal
proboscis, he gets a dent in his self-esteem and might resort to
an emotional repsonse like "yeah? well your *** wouldn't fill a
pop rivet, punk", which merely invites some oneupmanship from the
naughty pupil. Of course, the teacher should not have justified
the initial comment with a response, especially in front of the
class. The correct response was "please report to the
headmaster's office right NOW!"
What is a "RodBot"?
Some respondents in aus.invest built a "virtual Rod" which was
indiscernable from the "real" Rod. Net users could enter an
opinion or even a fact and the RoDBot would tell them they were
pathetic lying schoolboys who should be able to do better or some
equally pithy Rod Speedism.
Are you saying that Rod Speed is a Troll?
You got it!
What is the best way to handle Rod Speed?
KillFile!
>
Rod Speed
>> Not in the american sense, but I am in the sense of the second
>> one here, I do support modern welfare system, basically social
>> safetynets tho I dont like the fact that any safetynet does see
>> some choose to not bother to make their own provision for life
>> after work, or between jobs and just use the safetynet instead.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conservative
> Your philosophy seems very fitting for the outback:
You wouldnt know what the outback was if it bit you on your lard arse, child.
> It provides for casual contact between species, but not cooperation in crowded spaces.
Try telling that to western europe. Dont be too surprised
when they just laugh in your stupid pig ignorant face, again.
> I'll explain: A philosophy born in Amsterdam must be very different.
Wrong, as always.
Rod Speed
Edward Dolan
> Edward Dolan wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Jeff Thies wrote
>
>>>> Definitely not a social conservative.
>
>>> Not in the american sense, but I am in the sense of the second
>>> one here, I do support modern welfare system, basically social
>>> safetynets tho I dont like the fact that any safetynet does see
>>> some choose to not bother to make their own provision for life
>>> after work, or between jobs and just use the safetynet instead.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conservative
>
>> Nope, you are a libertarian whether you realize it or not.
>
> Nope. I have never ever advocated very small govt.
You do not want to provide for the down and outers. Why is that? Don't ever
think you can be down and out? Think again. Chance and happenstance is
available for every human being who has ever lived. How about a stroke or
heart attack to set you on the path to sanity! Maybe cancer is more your
speed.
>
> A decent modern universal health care system is nothing even remotely
> resembling anything like libertarian.\
Well, it is like a decent universal school system K-12. It will cost society
an enormous amount of its resources. It is well on the road to socialism.
But hey, if you are NOT a libertarian, then more credit to you.
>> There is more to society than a safety net.
>
> Never said there wasnt. Thats just the evidence that I am a social
> conservative in the sense of the second one in that wikipedia entry.
I would never go to a link of yours. Just how crazy do you think I am?
You seem to delight in kicking those who are less fortunate than you. Is
that what social conservatives do?
>> Life is full of accidents
>
> Yes, but govt safetynets arent the only way to handle those.
Unfortunately private charities never seem to do much. They only want to
help those who they deem "deserving".
> I do support govt safetynets for those, basically because so
> many dont bother to do anything about the alternatives particularly
> when they are young and assume it cant happen to them and for
> those whose parents are too stupid to bother with the alternatives etc.
You are arguing against what we all know human nature to be.
>> and the race is not to the swift nor the fight to the strong.
>
> More of your mindlessly superficial shit.
No more mindless than any of your superficial shit!
> <reams of your puerile attempts at insults any 2 year old could leave for
> dead flushed where they belong>
You should get a new tag line. Why bore everyone to death! But I understand.
You are not only a stupid son of a bitch, you are also a lazy son of a
bitch. Those two qualities often go together
Edward Dolan
Nope, nope, nope to you too, you god damn stupid son of a bitch. Hells
Bells, you are not even a libertarian. You are a bastard pure and simple.
Now go fuck yourself and quit bothering the noble members of these honorable
newsgroups.
Edward Dolan
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
> Campaign wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> Not in the american sense, but I am in the sense of the second
>>> one here, I do support modern welfare system, basically social
>>> safetynets tho I dont like the fact that any safetynet does see
>>> some choose to not bother to make their own provision for life
>>> after work, or between jobs and just use the safetynet instead.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conservative
>
>> Your philosophy seems very fitting for the outback:
>
> You wouldnt know what the outback was if it bit you on your lard arse,
> child.
Nope, TM is not nearly so stupid as you are. In fact, he is the embodiment
of wisdom compared to you.
>> It provides for casual contact between species, but not cooperation in
>> crowded spaces.
>
> Try telling that to western europe. Dont be too surprised
> when they just laugh in your stupid pig ignorant face, again.
There is no face more ignorant than yours. After all, you are just an Aussie
Aborigine with a flat nose taking up 50% of your ugly face. Now go piss and
shit and fuck so as to clean yourself like the animal that you are ... and
quit bothering the noble members of these honorable newsgroups.
>> I'll explain: A philosophy born in Amsterdam must be very different.
>
> Wrong, as always.
But never so wrong you are! Only Ed Dolan the Great is always and forever
RIGHT! Just ask Tom Sherman!
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Edward Dolan wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Jeff Thies wrote
>>>>> Definitely not a social conservative.
>>>> Not in the american sense, but I am in the sense of the second
>>>> one here, I do support modern welfare system, basically social
>>>> safetynets tho I dont like the fact that any safetynet does see
>>>> some choose to not bother to make their own provision for life
>>>> after work, or between jobs and just use the safetynet instead.
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conservative
>>> Nope, you are a libertarian whether you realize it or not.
>> Nope. I have never ever advocated very small govt.
> You do not want to provide for the down and outers.
Thats a lie. I think that the loonys we used to keep in locked wards should
be provided for. They prefer anything other than the old locked wards.
I certainly dont want to provide for drug addicts, but thats
not libertarian, most dont want to provide for drug addicts.
> Why is that? Don't ever think you can be down and out?
I know I wont ever be.
> Think again. Chance and happenstance is available for every human being who has ever lived.
Yes, but some of us will never be down and out as a result.
> How about a stroke or heart attack
Had one of those. Our health care system handled it fine,
didnt cost me a cent exept for a couple of papers to read.
> to set you on the path to sanity! Maybe cancer is more your speed.
Our health care system ensures that that cant make me down and out either.
>> A decent modern universal health care system is nothing even remotely resembling anything like libertarian.
> Well, it is like a decent universal school system K-12. It will cost society an enormous amount of its resources.
Its very affordable for any first and second world country.
> It is well on the road to socialism.
Yes, and I have rubbed stupid's noses in that fact.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find that using groups.google.
> But hey, if you are NOT a libertarian, then more credit to you.
>>> There is more to society than a safety net.
>> Never said there wasnt. Thats just the evidence that I am a social
>> conservative in the sense of the second one in that wikipedia entry.
> I would never go to a link of yours. Just how crazy do you think I am?
You're welcome to find it for yourself, the wikipedia articles show up
right up the top of a google search on <social conservative>, stupid.
> You seem to delight in kicking those who are less fortunate than you.
Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to, child.
> Is that what social conservatives do?
>>> Life is full of accidents
>> Yes, but govt safetynets arent the only way to handle those.
> Unfortunately private charities never seem to do much.
Those arent the only alternatives. The other obvious way to handle accidents is insurance.
> They only want to help those who they deem "deserving".
They are welcome to do anything they like.
With govt safetynets what matters is what you are legally entitled to.
>> I do support govt safetynets for those, basically because so many dont bother to do anything about the alternatives
>> particularly when they are young and assume it cant happen to them and for those whose parents are too stupid to
>> bother with the alternatives etc.
> You are arguing against what we all know human nature to be.
Nope.
Rod Speed
Rod Speed
Edward Dolan
> Edward Dolan wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Edward Dolan wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Jeff Thies wrote
>
>>>>>> Definitely not a social conservative.
>
>>>>> Not in the american sense, but I am in the sense of the second
>>>>> one here, I do support modern welfare system, basically social
>>>>> safetynets tho I dont like the fact that any safetynet does see
>>>>> some choose to not bother to make their own provision for life
>>>>> after work, or between jobs and just use the safetynet instead.
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conservative
>
>>>> Nope, you are a libertarian whether you realize it or not.
>
>>> Nope. I have never ever advocated very small govt.
>
>> You do not want to provide for the down and outers.
>
> Thats a lie. I think that the loonys we used to keep in locked wards
> should
> be provided for. They prefer anything other than the old locked wards.
Listen up you god damn fucking asshole, we have got you figured out to a T.
You need to be dropped in Libya where you could survive or not. With an
asshole like you, it is all about survival of the fittest. Too much of you
and I will turn into a progressive liberal like Tom Sherman.
> I certainly dont want to provide for drug addicts, but thats
> not libertarian, most dont want to provide for drug addicts.
Yes, I agree with you on that. Providing drugs only perpetuates the problem.
Folks on drugs are not good for society.
>> Why is that? Don't ever think you can be down and out?
>
> I know I wont ever be.
That is because you are a god damn fool!
>> Think again. Chance and happenstance is available for every human being
>> who has ever lived.
>
> Yes, but some of us will never be down and out as a result.
You are a god damn fool!
>> How about a stroke or heart attack
>
> Had one of those. Our health care system handled it fine,
> didnt cost me a cent exept for a couple of papers to read.
You paid for every last cent of what it cost to take care your ailment?
>> to set you on the path to sanity! Maybe cancer is more your speed.
>
> Our health care system ensures that that cant make me down and out either.
That is because of the liberal socialist elements, not your god damn social
conservatism - you fucking idiot!
>>> A decent modern universal health care system is nothing even remotely
>>> resembling anything like libertarian.
>
>> Well, it is like a decent universal school system K-12. It will cost
>> society an enormous amount of its resources.
>
> Its very affordable for any first and second world country.
It is NOT! It is extremely costly. The United States is going broke trying
to finance all these socialist welfare measures.
>> It is well on the road to socialism.
>
> Yes, and I have rubbed stupid's noses in that fact.
At last, something we can agree on!
> Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find that using
> groups.google.
Fuck Google Groups!
>> But hey, if you are NOT a libertarian, then more credit to you.
>
>>>> There is more to society than a safety net.
>
>>> Never said there wasnt. Thats just the evidence that I am a social
>>> conservative in the sense of the second one in that wikipedia entry.
>
>> I would never go to a link of yours. Just how crazy do you think I am?
>
> You're welcome to find it for yourself, the wikipedia articles show up
> right up the top of a google search on <social conservative>, stupid.
Fuck Wikipedia!
>> You seem to delight in kicking those who are less fortunate than you.
>
> Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to, child.
You are nothing but a fuck-you type of poster. You should model yourself
after me - if you had any brains.
>> Is that what social conservatives do?
>
>>>> Life is full of accidents
>
>>> Yes, but govt safetynets arent the only way to handle those.
>
>> Unfortunately private charities never seem to do much.
>
> Those arent the only alternatives. The other obvious way to handle
> accidents is insurance.
God damn insurance companies are all crooks. The only way you can get
anything out of them is to hire a lawyer and sue. Jesus, just how stupid are
you anyway?
>> They only want to help those who they deem "deserving".
>
> They are welcome to do anything they like.
Yes, it is like fuck you too!
> With govt safetynets what matters is what you are legally entitled to.
It is all in the fine print though, isn't it?
>>> I do support govt safetynets for those, basically because so many dont
>>> bother to do anything about the alternatives particularly when they are
>>> young and assume it cant happen to them and for those whose parents are
>>> too stupid to bother with the alternatives etc.
>
>> You are arguing against what we all know human nature to be.
>
> Nope.
The bottom line is that you do not know one god damn thing about human
nature. Your moronic copy and paste shit proves it beyond a doubt - you god
damn moron!
> <reams of your puerile attempts at insults any 2 year old could leave for
> dead flushed where they belong>
You bet, fuck you too - asshole/shithead!
Rod Speed
Tºm Shermªn™ °_°
> [...]
> I have had some of my worst arguments with libertarians. I hate the whole
> breed. I understand progressive liberals since I was once one myself. I have
> had some very nasty augments with conservatives too. You get too
> conservative with me at your peril. After all, there is such a thing as the
> social contract. Even a nut like Rousseau was not totally wrong about
The current political philosophy in the US is a social safety net for
the rich, to protect their wealth; but social Darwinism for the working
classes.
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
Tºm Shermªn™ °_°
> [...]
And to proselytize the less fortunate.
Rod Speed
> Edward Dolan wrote
>> I have had some of my worst arguments with libertarians. I hate the
>> whole breed. I understand progressive liberals since I was once one
>> myself. I have had some very nasty augments with conservatives too.
>> You get too conservative with me at your peril. After all, there is
>> such a thing as the social contract. Even a nut like Rousseau was
>> not totally wrong about everything.[...]
> The current political philosophy in the US is a social safety net for the rich, to protect their wealth;
Thats not a social safetynet and it didnt protect the customers of Madoff either.
> but social Darwinism for the working classes.
Mindlessly silly, most obviously with unemployment money.
Rod Speed
> Edward Dolan wrote
>> Unfortunately private charities never seem to do much.
Thats a lie with the Salvos.
>> They only want to help those who they deem "deserving".
Another lie.
> And to proselytize the less fortunate.
The Salvos dont.
Edward Dolan
message news:ikpich$cr8$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Even so, we have a democracy where tens of millions of folks vote every few
years and so things can always be changed. However, I think things have to
hit rock bottom before any change can ever take place.
Edward Dolan
> Tºm ShermªnT °_°" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net wrote
>> Edward Dolan wrote
>
>>> Unfortunately private charities never seem to do much.
>
> Thats a lie with the Salvos.
The hell you say! How do we know you are not lying?
>>> They only want to help those who they deem "deserving".
>
> Another lie.
The hell you say! How do we know you are not lying?
>> And to proselytize the less fortunate.
>
> The Salvos dont.
The hell you say! How do we know you are not lying?
Edward Dolan
> Tºm ShermªnT °_°" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net wrote
>> Edward Dolan wrote
>
>>> I have had some of my worst arguments with libertarians. I hate the
>>> whole breed. I understand progressive liberals since I was once one
>>> myself. I have had some very nasty augments with conservatives too.
>>> You get too conservative with me at your peril. After all, there is
>>> such a thing as the social contract. Even a nut like Rousseau was
>>> not totally wrong about everything.[...]
>
>> The current political philosophy in the US is a social safety net for the
>> rich, to protect their wealth;
>
> Thats not a social safetynet and it didnt protect the customers of Madoff
> either.
Poor RS cannot tell the difference between crooks and legitimate businesses.
But RS is quite correct that there is no safety net for the rich. The bigger
they are, the harder they fall.
>> but social Darwinism for the working classes.
>
> Mindlessly silly, most obviously with unemployment money.
It is just enough to get by on. No one is getting rich on unemployment
money.
Rod Speed
>>> I have had some of my worst arguments with libertarians. I hate the
>>> whole breed. I understand progressive liberals since I was once one
>>> myself. I have had some very nasty augments with conservatives too. You get too conservative with me at your peril.
>>> After all, there is such a thing as the social contract. Even a nut like Rousseau was not totally wrong about
>>> everything.[...]
>> The current political philosophy in the US is a social safety net
>> for the rich, to protect their wealth; but social Darwinism for the
>> working classes.
> Even so, we have a democracy where tens of millions of folks vote every few years and so things can always be changed.
Yes.
> However, I think things have to hit rock bottom before any change can ever take place.
Nope, that isnt how it happened in any of the great democracys.
That isnt how they all ended up with a decent modern health care system.
It isnt even how the US ended up with medicare either.
Rod Speed
Rod Speed
>>> Edward Dolan wrote
>>>> I have had some of my worst arguments with libertarians. I hate the
>>>> whole breed. I understand progressive liberals since I was once one
>>>> myself. I have had some very nasty augments with conservatives too.
>>>> You get too conservative with me at your peril. After all, there is
>>>> such a thing as the social contract. Even a nut like Rousseau was
>>>> not totally wrong about everything.[...]
>>> The current political philosophy in the US is a social safety net for the rich, to protect their wealth;
>> Thats not a social safetynet and it didnt protect the customers of Madoff either.
> Poor RS cannot tell the difference between crooks and legitimate businesses.
Irrelevant to the stupid claim about a social safetynet for the rich.
> But RS is quite correct that there is no safety net for the rich. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
None of Gates, Brin, Buffet, Walton, etc etc etc have fallen.
>>> but social Darwinism for the working classes.
>> Mindlessly silly, most obviously with unemployment money.
> It is just enough to get by on.
Another lie, most obviously when the house is paid off.
> No one is getting rich on unemployment money.
It aint designed to make anyone rich, fool.
Edward Dolan
> Mr Ed the donkey Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could
> leave for dead.
You are one dumb son of a bitch - way too dumb for me to ever bother with.
Edward Dolan
> Edward Dolan wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Tºm ShermªnT °_°" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net wrote
>>>> Edward Dolan wrote
>
>>>>> I have had some of my worst arguments with libertarians. I hate the
>>>>> whole breed. I understand progressive liberals since I was once one
>>>>> myself. I have had some very nasty augments with conservatives too.
>>>>> You get too conservative with me at your peril. After all, there is
>>>>> such a thing as the social contract. Even a nut like Rousseau was
>>>>> not totally wrong about everything.[...]
>
>>>> The current political philosophy in the US is a social safety net for
>>>> the rich, to protect their wealth;
>
>>> Thats not a social safetynet and it didnt protect the customers of
>>> Madoff either.
>
>> Poor RS cannot tell the difference between crooks and legitimate
>> businesses.
>
> Irrelevant to the stupid claim about a social safetynet for the rich.
The only irrelevancy here is you, you god damn fucking moron!
>> But RS is quite correct that there is no safety net for the rich. The
>> bigger they are, the harder they fall.
>
> None of Gates, Brin, Buffet, Walton, etc etc etc have fallen.
None of the above are crooks, you god damn stupid son of a bitch.
>>>> but social Darwinism for the working classes.
>
>>> Mindlessly silly, most obviously with unemployment money.
>
>> It is just enough to get by on - you god damn idiot!
>
> Another lie, most obviously when the house is paid off.
The hell you say! How do we know you are not lying?
>> No one is getting rich on unemployment money.
>
> It aint designed to make anyone rich, fool.
Right, you god damn fucking fool. It is just designed to get folks by.
Now take your one-liners and stuff them up your ass, you god damn moron!
Edward Dolan
> Edward Dolan wrote
[...]
>> Even so, we have a democracy where tens of millions of folks vote every
>> few years and so things can always be changed.
>
> Yes.
>
>> However, I think things have to hit rock bottom before any change can
>> ever take place.
>
> Nope, that isnt how it happened in any of the great democracys.
Nope, Canada threw out all the liberals in an election not so many years
ago.
> That isnt how they all ended up with a decent modern health care system.
Nope, things must always get worse before they get better.
> It isnt even how the US ended up with medicare either.
It is exactly how we ended up with Medicare.
Simon Lewis
> On 3/2/2011 3:53 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> [...]
>> Unfortunately private charities never seem to do much. They only want to
>> help those who they deem "deserving".[...]
>
> And to proselytize the less fortunate.
Crikey. What a couple of bitter, over generalising arseholes you to are.
Rod Speed
Rod Speed
Rod Speed
>>> Even so, we have a democracy where tens of millions of folks vote every few years and so things can always be
>>> changed.
>> Yes.
>>> However, I think things have to hit rock bottom before any change can ever take place.
>> Nope, that isnt how it happened in any of the great democracys.
> Nope, Canada threw out all the liberals in an election not so many years ago.
That wasnt the liberals, stupid, and they didnt hit rock bottom before they did that either.
>> That isnt how they all ended up with a decent modern health care system.
> Nope, things must always get worse before they get better.
How odd that isnt how they all ended up with a decent modern health care system.
>> It isnt even how the US ended up with medicare either.
> It is exactly how we ended up with Medicare.
Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
Tºm Shermªn™ °_°
Should be "two", not "to".
Muhammad had it correct: It is not true charity unless it is anonymous.
Edward Dolan
> Edward Dolan wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Edward Dolan wrote
>
>>>> Even so, we have a democracy where tens of millions of folks vote every
>>>> few years and so things can always be changed.
>
>>> Yes.
>
>>>> However, I think things have to hit rock bottom before any change can
>>>> ever take place.
>
>>> Nope, that isnt how it happened in any of the great democracys.
>
>> Nope, Canada threw out all the liberals in an election not so many years
>> ago.
>
> That wasnt the liberals, stupid, and they didnt hit rock bottom before
> they did that either.
The hell you say! How do we know you are not lying?
>>> That isnt how they all ended up with a decent modern health care system.
>
>> Nope, things must always get worse before they get better.
>
> How odd that isnt how they all ended up with a decent modern health care
> system.
The hell you say! How do we know you are not lying?
>>> It isnt even how the US ended up with medicare either.
>
>> It is exactly how we ended up with Medicare.
>
> Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
The hell you say! How do we know you are not lying?
Rod Speed
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 3/4/2011 7:14 AM, Simon Lewis wrote:> Tºm Shermªn™ °_°<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> writes:
>
> >>> [...]
> >>> help those who they deem "deserving".[...]
>
> >> And to proselytize the less fortunate.
>
> > Crikey. What a couple of bitter, over generalising arseholes you to are.
>
> ^^
>
> Should be "two", not "to".
>
> Muhammad had it correct: It is not true charity unless it is anonymous.
That's true. Put that together with my wisdom and you'll be a truly
wise man. This is my wisdom:
"When you are filthy rich, you are simply filthy"