Speed Cameras vs. Red Light Cameras
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
stop the barbarian drivers from speeding. Not that speeding alone
makes our roads unsafe, but we can establish a sort of mathematical
correlation between speeding and tickets. We can say, "35 miles on
city streets = 1 ticket," "45 miles on city streets = 2 tickets," etc.
It may seem like the police is doing their job, but it's you and me --
the good drivers-- who are really the victims of it. I know a lawyer,
for example, who uses radar to defeat the system.
This extra cash then can be used to really improve bike facilities or
anything that pacifies our roads. Think about it: The RAT RACE ain't
worth it. What's the point, SLOW IS BETTER.
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His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Perhaps German engineers can advise us on that.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> writes:
> > They have set up red light cameras around here, and it still doesn't
> > stop the barbarian drivers from speeding.
>
> red-lights.
Right, they are not taming traffic between lights. But you'd assume
the drivers would somehow tame themselves. We simply need the whip
against the wild animals.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
OK, I just want to mention that RED LIGHT CAMERAS + SPEED CAMERAS =
SAFER ROADS
That's a formula easy to remember. As much of 82% of speeding 10 miles
over the limit is reduced this way.
But I want to focus my attention --or should I say my wisdom-- on
another object of stupid design...
Last Friday (8 nights ago) we were scrambling out of South Pointe Park
and I hit a chain on my way out that almost gave me a heart attack and
damaged the most sacred object of the Beach Cruiser Philosophy --my
bike. I wasn't thrown over the handlebar because fate or Buddha is
watching over me.
Again I visited last night and was almost speechless that this chain
is found at the entrance to the park (at Washington Ave), with no
markings on warning of any kind. It must be a bicycle trap. But wait,
it's not the only trap. There are many innocent-looking ramps going
down to the grass next to the channel where a cyclist can simply fall
and hit his head and... another case for the lawyers.
Well guys, I already gave up the mixed path nearby, with its dogs,
blinding lights, distracted pedestrians and blue carpet (the bike
destroyer) and I'm doing loops endlessly at a park --full of homeless,
but that's another issue.
Happy survival to all!
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
On Apr 23, 3:22 pm, Billy <Wildbi...@withouta.net> wrote:
> In the US, we are supposed to be protected by the Fourth Amendment from
> unreasonable search and seizure. What constitutes reasonableness,
> curiosity? There needs to be a compelling basis for invading our
> privacy, and that compelling basis, and not a woman's breasts, needs to
> be transparent to scrutiny.
I don't care. I want more cameras to fight BAD DRIVERS, PETTY
CRIMINALS, POLLUTERS... I really don't give a damn because I'm playing
by the rules.
By the way, I want to wear a MONKEY MASK and ride my bike with it to
see whether there's a problem with it. Nice way to catch attention and
hand out my fliers. It seems to me that most people is wearing a mask
anyway, and Christianity is part of the hypocrisy of the system.
This mask is more of a hominid than a monkey so it will bring them
back to a reality that they want to avoid. I will hand out some
bananas as well --for those who are nice. ;)
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His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> Once again, MonkeyBoy demonstrates his love of Big Brother. Sadly, the facts
> are that Red Light Cameras are not only ineffective, they also result in
> rear end collisions that would not have happened had the guy in front not
> stopped in the first second of a Yellow.
I'm sorry to hear that you are such a supporter of a Banana Republic.
If you hate Big Brother, go smash the red lights (when they don't see
you) and remove the speed limit signs. If they are there, they must be
FOLLOWED & ENFORCED by all means possible, all the time. I don't want
to see cars going 45mph on a 30mph zone.
I haven't seen those accidents that you talk about and I've seen those
red light cameras flashing all the time. Regrettably we don't have
SPEED CAMERAS, which are the only ones that can bring some safety for
other cars, bicycles and pedestrians.
Protesters who hate speed cameras in Europe (they have their own share
of barbarian drivers) go and vandalize them. Perhaps you can join
their ranks.
Don Klipstein
>(POSTED AT MY LOCAL FORUM --BECAUSE THEY NEED TO KNOW!)
>
>OK, I just want to mention that RED LIGHT CAMERAS + SPEED CAMERAS =
>SAFER ROADS
Ordinarily, I am in favor of red light cameras.
My mood on those got sour a couple months after I noticed a new red
light camera on Walnut St. around 58th in West Philadelphia - by a
school.
What got my mood sour: Someone shortened the duration of the yellow
light by half a second. That says to me that the camera's goal was not
safety, but get money from drivers.
>That's a formula easy to remember. As much of 82% of speeding 10 miles
>over the limit is reduced this way.
Most accidents are not caused by speeding by up to 10 MPH.
One thing to keep in mind is that some speed limits are set by higher
level government mandates, rather than traffic engineers.
Another thing to keep in mind: What causes most crashes:
* Failure to stop and/or yield when required by signs/signals or the
state vehicle code
* Passing in ways that are illegal or at least notably impolite
* DUI
A lesser but significant one: Failure to use turn signal, *sufficiently
in advance*, for turns and lane changes. Lane changes include rightward
shift onto a bike land in preparation for a right turn, also going into
or coming out of the parking lane.
All bikes ridden by people with able arms have turn signals. I ask
my fellow drivers of motorless 2-wheelers to use their turn signals, as
well as motorists.
Also, cyclists on roads should ride with traffic, unless official signs
or signals say otherwise. All too often when I'm in Philadelphia, I see
cyclists (disproportionally helmet-less) cycling against traffic, even
into arrows on bike lanes that have arrows.
>But I want to focus my attention --or should I say my wisdom-- on
>another object of stupid design...
>
>Last Friday (8 nights ago) we were scrambling out of South Pointe Park
>and I hit a chain on my way out that almost gave me a heart attack and
>damaged the most sacred object of the Beach Cruiser Philosophy --my
>bike. I wasn't thrown over the handlebar because fate or Buddha is
>watching over me.
>
>Again I visited last night and was almost speechless that this chain
>is found at the entrance to the park (at Washington Ave), with no
>markings on warning of any kind. It must be a bicycle trap.
Single-level, especially cyclist-eye-level chains and ropes are
cyclist traps. My experience is that to "cyclist vision", those are
half-invisible - like cyclists are to some cagers not looking for any
vehicle on the road smaller than a fellow cage.
"Bike? What bike? I don't see any bike?" *SMASH!* "Oh, the one in
front of me!"
(One fine day that actually happened to me. I was riding straight and
steady in a traffic lane in daytime in fair weather, and *BOOM!* and I
was flying! Thankfully, in part to a diet rich in skim milk and veggies,
in part to strength-building exercise, in part to inheriting my father's
dense bones, I only got a few minor bumps, bruises and a mildly strained
muscle.)
Back to cyclist-eye-level chains and ropes: I got trapped by 4 of
these already in the past roughly 300,000 miles.
The 2 worse of these were when I was riding alongside the rope/chain
and my brain "tunnel-visioned" by zooming onto straight-ahead. (I
frequently test my eyes for good peripheral vision - I still had over 180
degrees only a few minutes ago, with eyes fixed into looking straight
ahead.)
Back to ropes or chains that I was riding alongside:
One gave me a rope burn on one of my upper arms, leaving a scar that
lasted a few years.
The other got me to snag it, and flip over it - and I landed on the
crown of my head. (Fortunately, I was as usual, wearing a helmet.)
A couple times I hit ropes ahead of me at cyclist-eye-level. (No
significant injuries in either case.) A few times I also did not see
eye-level tree branches in front of me until I knew that I had to brace
myself for collision with those.
> But wait, it's not the only trap. There are many innocent-looking ramps
>going down to the grass next to the channel where a cyclist can simply
>fall and hit his head and... another case for the lawyers.
How about driving on rural roads in West Virginia? Many of those are
rich in curves on mountains, all-too-often without guardrails. Better
know what speed is safe, or else you skid off the road and fall down the
mountain!
>Well guys, I already gave up the mixed path nearby, with its dogs,
>blinding lights, distracted pedestrians and blue carpet (the bike
>destroyer) and I'm doing loops endlessly at a park --full of homeless,
>but that's another issue.
>
>Happy survival to all!
Likewise,
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- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
> In <d43e63cc-1458-4a0c-a186-8ec1a34da...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >(POSTED AT MY LOCAL FORUM --BECAUSE THEY NEED TO KNOW!)
>
> >OK, I just want to mention that RED LIGHT CAMERAS + SPEED CAMERAS =
> >SAFER ROADS
>
> Ordinarily, I am in favor of red light cameras.
>
> My mood on those got sour a couple months after I noticed a new red
> light camera on Walnut St. around 58th in West Philadelphia - by a
> school.
>
> What got my mood sour: Someone shortened the duration of the yellow
> light by half a second. That says to me that the camera's goal was not
> safety, but get money from drivers.
>
> >That's a formula easy to remember. As much of 82% of speeding 10 miles
> >over the limit is reduced this way.
>
> Most accidents are not caused by speeding by up to 10 MPH.
30 + 10 = 40mph, at that speed the danger is multiplied, the noise
level is intensified and your determination shaken.
It's like mandating 15mph in school zones, why not mandate reduced
speeds around cyclists?
Don Klipstein
>On Apr 23, 8:53 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Once again, MonkeyBoy demonstrates his love of Big Brother. Sadly, the facts
>> are that Red Light Cameras are not only ineffective, they also result in
>> rear end collisions that would not have happened had the guy in front not
>> stopped in the first second of a Yellow.
>I'm sorry to hear that you are such a supporter of a Banana Republic.
>If you hate Big Brother, go smash the red lights (when they don't see
>you) and remove the speed limit signs. If they are there, they must be
>FOLLOWED & ENFORCED by all means possible, all the time. I don't want
>to see cars going 45mph on a 30mph zone.
<I SNIP from here>
The way I hear it, on "state roads" in PA, a 30 MPH zone is not legal
to do under PA state law - but 35 is. (Any oddball speed not exceeding
mandates from higher levels of gubmint is legal for roads that are
not "state roads".)
And, in Philadelphia, the Street administration posted the West
Philadelphia portions of Chestnut and Walnut Sts. at 30 MPH. Before then,
they were unposted city streets, according to PA state law defaulting to
35 MPH maximum speed limit for city streets. West of 38th St, these are
PA Route 3.
Speed uniformity on these two streets decreased, as some "churchy" type
drivers slowed to 30, while traffic light synchronization degraded (with
a mile stretch getting a "traffic light schedule" that favored 45). Back
in the 1980's and 1970's, there was a more consistent traffic light
schedule favoring about 28 MPH. In the early 1970's, the "SIGNALS SET
FOR XX MPH" actually worked - and that was even adjustable from one speed
to another from somewhere in the 20's to somewhere in the 30's, not
exceeding the state government mandate of 35 MPH for city streets.
Speed limits need to be reasonable so as to not require Gostappo to
get people to obey them. And if traffic light synchronization was doable
in the early 1970's, why not now?
Don Klipstein
How about enforce already-existing laws for dealing with slower-moving
vehicles that state vehicle codes already say are vehicles that have a
right to be on the road?
Under PA vehicle code: If you have little chance to move faster than
25 MPH, you should have the triangular retroreflective "slow vehicle"
marker on your rear end. That is required if your vehicle design limits
maximum speed to below 25 MPH - and I think that should be applied to
include beach cruiser bikes, "Worksman" "freight hauling bikes" and to
freight-hauling bike trailers such as what Philly Pedal Co-Op (recyclable
trash hauling outfit) towed.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> On 4/23/2011 7:37 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > (Do you expect me to run into trouble?)
>
> > On Apr 23, 3:22 pm, Billy<Wildbi...@withouta.net> wrote:
>
> >> In the US, we are supposed to be protected by the Fourth Amendment from
> >> unreasonable search and seizure. What constitutes reasonableness,
> >> curiosity? There needs to be a compelling basis for invading our
> >> privacy, and that compelling basis, and not a woman's breasts, needs to
> >> be transparent to scrutiny.
>
> > I don't care. I want more cameras to fight BAD DRIVERS, PETTY
> > CRIMINALS, POLLUTERS... I really don't give a damn because I'm playing
> > by the rules.
>
> innocent to pay. Cameras aren't there for justice, they are there to
> raise REVENUE. Note that the companies installing the camera receive a
> portion so they have incentive to make sure the cameras serve as their
> personal ATMs, no speeders necessary for cash receipts.
>
> Speed cameras are a complete scam, they take pictures and accuse
> innocent citizens of speeding. See the article below for an example.
>
> http://wusa9.com/news/article/147930/77/Forest-Heights-Man-Uses-Math-...
Well, remove the speed signs too. They are a complete scam as well.
Let me ask you, they seem to be a complete scam only in America,
right? Your arguments really sound paranoid. BIG BROTHER IS OUT TO GET
YOU!!!
At the point the government doesn't work for the people... Are you
proposing more active measures to defend yourself? Are you withholding
taxes or at least writing graffiti?
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> >> In Australia we now have red light cameras that do both red light and
> >> speed, the idiot government call them safety cameras.
>
> > Do they work or not?
>
> They get a lot of revenue have debatable influence on road toll.
> In NSW after the recent election they are having an audit on whether
> they have an effect on statistics, but I doubt anything will change.
My stats seem to be categorical (unless they are made up):
"Automated speed enforcement systems are triggered when a vehicle
exceeding the speed limit by a predetermined amount is observed.
Moreover, the proportion of vehicles exceeding the speed limit by more
than 10 mph declined 82 percent."
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> On 4/25/2011 12:08 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
>
>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > On Apr 24, 11:26 pm, Jessica Powell<jessica.pow...@spam.ah> wrote:
> >> On 4/24/2011 10:35 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > Well, speed cameras are operating in many countries, and they reduce
> > 80% of speeding according to the source I quoted.
>
> >>> BIG BROTHER IS OUT TO GET
> >>> YOU!!!
>
> >> demands for false claims.
>
> > True, but isn't that a problem common to PRIVATIZATION? We have it in
> > the military, medical industry, prison industry, drug wars...
>
> > Again, why don't you concentrate on challenging the speed limit
> > itself?
>
> The speed limit value is not relevant here. The concern is the ability
> of the cameras to send false accusations. See other posts for
> documented cases of this.
Actually the only thing relevant is the speeding so prevalent on our
roads. If you dismiss the best technological methods, you must have
another suggestion to deal with the problem.
You don't want to be another Banana Republic where the laws only exist
on paper, right?
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> On 4/25/2011 8:41 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> Read this news article dated in the last seven days for another account
> of these machines sending phony tickets for speeding which never
> existed. The cameras are not for safety, they are there for revenue.
> And science was NOT used to create most speed limits, traffic
> engineering speed studies are trumped by officials looking for low
> limits so they can make money.
>
> http://wusa9.com/news/article/147930/77/Forest-Heights-Man-Uses-Math-...
Wow, what evil system we got!
But I rather have you fight Red Light Cameras than Speed Cameras. They
are more susceptible to tricks and doesn't tame traffic that much.
If you have one you must have the other... or nothing at all! Better
yet, remove the signs that were meant to catch drivers not protect the
people, as you claim to be the case.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> On 4/25/2011 9:26 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> > But I rather have you fight Red Light Cameras than Speed Cameras. They
> > are more susceptible to tricks and doesn't tame traffic that much.
>
> > If you have one you must have the other... or nothing at all!
>
> False dichotomy fallacy.
>
> > Better
> > yet, remove the signs that were meant to catch drivers not protect the
> > people, as you claim to be the case.
>
> I made no such claim about signs.
Let me give you my thoughts:
Red Light Cameras are meaningless but profitable. Speed Cameras are
meaningful and profitable...
You rather live with something that doesn't change your reckless
driving dramatically and the government gets its profits.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 04:40:32 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
>
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 25, 10:49 pm, Jessica Powell <jessica.pow...@spam.ah> wrote:
> >> On 4/25/2011 9:26 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> >> > But I rather have you fight Red Light Cameras than Speed Cameras. They
> >> > are more susceptible to tricks and doesn't tame traffic that much.
>
> >> > If you have one you must have the other... or nothing at all!
>
> >> False dichotomy fallacy.
>
> >> > Better
> >> > yet, remove the signs that were meant to catch drivers not protect the
> >> > people, as you claim to be the case.
>
> >> I made no such claim about signs.
>
> >Let me give you my thoughts:
>
> >Red Light Cameras are meaningless but profitable. Speed Cameras are
> >meaningful and profitable...
>
> running is meaningful.
We still have the traffic going wild instead of being tamed. They race
and zigzag between lights, and most lights don't a have a camera at
all and they know it!
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
says NO. Clear enough it save saves lives since rear-end collisions
are rarely that fatal, and THEY MUST PAY YOU!!!
"Numbers rarely lie, and the numbers produced by the 2011 Insurance
Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) say red-light cameras do indeed
save lives."
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/red-light-cameras-save-lives.htm
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> "Gary L. Burnore" <gburn...@databasix.com> wrote in messagenews:ip7a2d$e5a$1...@nntpd.databasix.com...
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:01:56 +0000 (UTC), "5995 Dead, 1138 since
> > 1/20/09" <d...@gone.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:12:24 -0700, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> >>> "Steve" <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:lvsdr6562v5l5trsg...@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:57:30 -0500, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>"Steve" <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:fccdr6d0kt7d11l40...@4ax.com...
> >>>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 04:40:32 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> >>>>>> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> >>>>>> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>On Apr 25, 10:49 pm, Jessica Powell <jessica.pow...@spam.ah> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 4/25/2011 9:26 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> >>>>>>>> Cruiser
>
> >>>>>>>> > But I rather have you fight Red Light Cameras than Speed Cameras.
> >>>>>>>> > They
> >>>>>>>> > are more susceptible to tricks and doesn't tame traffic that
> >>>>>>>> > much.
>
> >>>>>>>> > If you have one you must have the other... or nothing at all!
>
> >>>>>>>> False dichotomy fallacy.
>
> >>>>>>>> > Better
> >>>>>>>> > yet, remove the signs that were meant to catch drivers not
> >>>>>>>> > protect the
> >>>>>>>> > people, as you claim to be the case.
>
> >>>>>>>> I made no such claim about signs.
>
> >>>>>>>Let me give you my thoughts:
>
> >>>>>>>Red Light Cameras are meaningless but profitable. Speed Cameras are
> >>>>>>>meaningful and profitable...
>
> >>>>>> Red Light Cameras are meaningful. Anything that inhibits red light
> >>>>>> running is meaningful.
>
> >>>>>decrease the most dangerous accidents by over 70%. Red light cameras
> >>>>>have
> >>>>>been shown to increase rear end accidents significantly.
>
> >>>> So says you, huh?
>
> >>> Technically, almost everybody that knows this stuff says so.
> >>> Technically.
>
> >>> It appears that you are one of the few that are not up to speed on this
> >>> issue.
>
> >>He's getting more desperate in his trolling. Nobody takes him seriously
> >>any more.
>
> > I troll. His posts aren't trolling. He really believes the shit he
> > spews. That's not trolling. That's just fucking stupid.
> > --
>
> <agreeing with Gary...>
> The only reports that support red light cameras come from the insurance
> companies that get to raise rates on red light runners, and the
> administrators of the camera systems.
>
> All of the other studies tend to support the idea that red light cameras are
> the cause of accidents.
>
> <not agreeing with Gary...>
OK, I want to make this point: We have Red Light Cameras everywhere,
and it's the more debatable of the two, WHY DO MAKE A FUSS ABOUT SPEED
CAMERAS?
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> Numbers do lie. This article, and more if you just look, show that
> the UK statistics are bogus and deliberately incomplete :http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/26/2638.aspThis video is also
> informativehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADj_lnKVRhE
>
> It's all about the money and not at all about safety.
The data above indicates that speed is only to blame for 7% of
accidents, which sound rather fishy.
Well, they seem to be doing a good job Down Under...
"The use of cameras to enforce speeding has proven road safety
benefits. An independent evaluation of the NSW fixed speed camera
program found that at sites where speed cameras have been installed
there has been a 70 per cent reduction in speeding resulting in a 90
per cent decline in fatalities and a 23 per cent reduction in
injuries."
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/speedandspeedcameras/safetycameras/index.html
Maybe we question too the reliability and purpose of DUI prosecution
as being the greatest scam of them all. You think MADD is about
reducing deaths? No, it's all about money too!
Case No: 8254XEE
Police allegedly saw a car driving 76mph in a 45mph zone. The officer
tried to pull over the car but it took about ten blocks to pull over.
The officer then observed signs of impairment of the driver. The
client was then offered roadside test with they failed. The driver was
then arrested for DUI and the officer offered a breath test which was
refused.
The defense filed and argued motions that were denied. We moved
forward and took the case to a jury trial where our client was found
not guilty.
http://southfloridadui.com/topics/recentvictories.html
***
Clearly guilty but a good lawyer --and the proper amount of cash-- can
you get out of trouble. DUI's are bad but I bet talking on the phone
causes more deaths. This is a political issue, where the politicians
are afraid to piss off drivers who are after all voters.
This is my point folks, THE WHOLE TRAFFIC SYSTEM NEEDS AN OVERHAUL.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> On 4/26/2011 11:47 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
>
>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > On Apr 26, 10:04 pm, Jessica Powell<jessica.pow...@spam.ah> wrote:
> >> On 4/26/2011 1:23 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> >> Philosopher wrote:
> >>> On Apr 26, 7:51 am, Steve<stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 04:40:32 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> >>>> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> >>>>> On Apr 25, 10:49 pm, Jessica Powell<jessica.pow...@spam.ah> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 4/25/2011 9:26 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> >>>>>>> But I rather have you fight Red Light Cameras than Speed Cameras. They
> >>>>>>> are more susceptible to tricks and doesn't tame traffic that much.
>
> >>>>>>> If you have one you must have the other... or nothing at all!
>
> >>>>>> False dichotomy fallacy.
>
> >>>>>>> Better
> >>>>>>> yet, remove the signs that were meant to catch drivers not protect the
> >>>>>>> people, as you claim to be the case.
>
> >>>>>> I made no such claim about signs.
>
> >>>>> Let me give you my thoughts:
>
> >>>>> Red Light Cameras are meaningless but profitable. Speed Cameras are
> >>>>> meaningful and profitable...
>
> >>>> Red Light Cameras are meaningful. Anything that inhibits red light
> >>>> running is meaningful.
>
> >>> and zigzag between lights
>
> >> are even talking about.
>
> > I'm talking about the SPEED CAMERAS doing the job between lights and
> > doing a better job at TAMING TRAFFIC. That is the goal, right?
>
> They do a better job of sending scam and nearly unbeatable phony
> tickets, forcing innocent law abiding drivers to pay up. If the goal is
> a racket style scheme, they do a fantastic job.
That sounds interesting. Another conspiracy theory!
So who's behind, Big Brother, contractors, who else? Is the Jewish
lawyer in it? Maybe he's promoting this campaign against cameras. ;)
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
mouse is the driver and the cat is the authorities that must be one
step ahead in the game.
This is a neat solution --almost perfect-- for catching predatory
drivers:
http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso6.htm
Notice how they are undetectable by RADAR, can be set up to monitor
SPEED and can be complemented with FAKE cameras so the predator never
knows where the trap is. The latter is much better than placing those
empty police cars in parking lots to act as scarecrows.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
sort of a guessing game...
We put as many fake yellow boxes as real ones and we keep 'em
guessing.
Look at the decoys here:
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> On Apr 29, 11:04 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> problem. I agree that it is widespread, I disagree that it is a
> problem. Most incidents are not the result of someone exceeding the
> posted speed limit, but they are the result of the driver doing
> something stupid (that isn't caught by the camera.)
Again, if you have an issue with the speed limit, just don't ignore
the law. I do agree they set the speed low in order to trap you in
some cases, but then fight the law.
How about setting lane discipline where the right lane is the slow
lane, and we stop a greater danger: zigzagging around traffic at high
speed.
The most stupid thing though is to talk on the phone, often at lower
speeds.
BY RELYING ON CAMERAS WE CAN FREE THE POLICE FROM AMBUSHING SPEEDERS,
AND CONCENTRATE ON MULTITASKING.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> On 4/29/2011 10:29 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
>
>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > On Apr 29, 10:06 am, N8N<njna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Apr 29, 9:42 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> >> Philosopher"<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On Apr 29, 9:37 am, N8N<njna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Apr 29, 9:31 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> >>>> Philosopher"<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Apr 29, 9:18 am, N8N<njna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On Apr 29, 12:10 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> >>>>>> Cruiser Philosopher"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Apr 28, 10:00 pm, Jessica Powell<jessica.pow...@spam.ah> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> On 4/28/2011 10:19 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> >>>>>>>> Philosopher wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 8:19 am, Jessica Powell<jessica.pow...@spam.ah> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 4/27/2011 11:50 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> >>>>>>>>> Listen, listen, take your pick...
>
> >>>>>>>> False dichotomy fallacy.
>
> >>>>>>> Well, someone must be behind the corruption of the cameras, who is it?
> >>>>>>> Or are you blaming the technology now?
>
> >>>>>> The manufacturers of the cameras, primarily, and also those that buy
> >>>>>> their sales pitch either without applying critical thinking skills and/
> >>>>>> or knowing what's going on but giving in to the lure of revenue at the
> >>>>>> expense of safety.
>
> >>>>> Do we have the technology to limit speed to the posted speed? Perhaps
> >>>>> we can retire the cameras then.
>
> >>>> Completely undesirable, as you would understand if you've ever driven
> >>>> on a two lane road that allows passing.
>
> >>> The priority is TAMING TRAFFIC... whatever it takes. We have to stop
> >>> the carnage and road rage.
>
> >> You are implying that aggressive, angry, raging drivers are a
> >> widespread problem. I believe that that is a media-generated
> >> fallacy. However, stupid, incompetent drivers I see every day (and
> >> may very easily contribute to normal people *becoming* angry drivers.)
>
> >> nate
>
> > The fact that *everybody* has to drive in America
>
> Nonsense.
Oh yes, public transportation --which I just gave up for good-- and
safe bicycling are not possible in any meaningful way.
I'd expect that bicycling at least would work since it doesn't depend
on a bureaucracy and it only takes TAMING TRAFFIC.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
(Now I'm redeemed and can take a nap in my hammock)
The Top Ten Most Dangerous Countries to Drive in
The list starts at number 10 with the least dangerous of the finalists
and working down to the ones you, as a driver, really want to avoid at
all costs. So before you start, where in the list do you think the
United Kingdom comes in?
1. Belgium - 100 deaths per year for every million inhabitants.168
deaths per year for every million vehicles
2. Czech Republic - 118 deaths per year for every million
inhabitants. 235 deaths per year for every million vehicles
3. United States of America - 136 deaths per year for every million
inhabitants. 163 deaths per year for every million vehicles
4. Greece - 121 deaths per year for every million inhabitants. 226
deaths per year for every million vehicles
5. Korea - 127 deaths per year for every million inhabitants. 317
deaths per year for every million vehicles
6. Hungary - 123 deaths per year for every million inhabitants. 347
deaths per year for every million vehicles
7. Turkey - 68 deaths per year for every million inhabitants - 594
deaths per year for every million vehicles
8. Poland - 147 deaths per year for every million inhabitants. 310
deaths per year for every million vehicles
9. Slovakia - 122 deaths per year for every million inhabitants.
426 deaths per year for every million vehicles
10. Russia - 235 deaths per year for every million inhabitants. 939
deaths per year for every million vehicles
United Kingdom
So despite what you might think about the UK’s roads and RTAs, Britain
doesn’t make it into the top ten and in fact is consistently proven to
be one of the safest countries in the world to drive in – alongside
Sweden and The Netherlands.
http://www.safetravel.co.uk/dangerous-countries-drive-in.html
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> Do you agree with Nate that if only 50% of "incidents" were solely
> attributable to exceeding the posted SL, that wouldn't even suggest it
> might be a problem...?
> -----
Yes, it is a problem but more in an URBAN ENVIRONMENT, in combination
with MULTITASKING & ZIGZAGGING around cars, a result of the lack of a
fast lane.
We really need to implement this fast lane in an environment where's
safer --not unlike the Autobahn-- while we crack down on speeding and
multitasking in city streets. We could probably pay the deficit with
that. ;)
It would also make sense --a compromise here-- that the right lane's
speed is reduced to 25mph (to make room for bicycles, scooters and
alternative vehicles) while the outer lanes' speed is increased to
35mph. I hope everybody is happy now.
moronsbegone
especially the middle area, by the drones voters have voted
the redlightcameras OUT of existance, their pesky, inacurate
and convict the wrong ones almost everytime. One of my
favorite tricks was a remote controlled plate cover that when
activated like James bond the license plate was unreadable for
the few seconds you pass through the yellow light turning red,
the cameras would snap your pic "BEFORE" the redlight appeared
almost everytime, getting you a ticket, Grass roots lobbyists
have proved this with videos, I used to love parking my van a
half a mile away, taking my bike with a disquise to the
offending light cam with My TREX 450 remote controlled
helicopter and raise a paint can with a pinhole in it to the
camera and cover the lens with paint, all the surveyers saw
was a toy helicopter spray painting there light cams and then
BLACKOUT from that point on. It was work but it was worth it
LOL. What next are these morons going to vote for, cameras in
your bedroom to make sure ytour straight? Carefull what you
vote for giving up freedom and privacy for security is a bad
thing. Then again it's a commy thing and this country is full
of wannabe commies. I'm proud of my costly shinanagins, they
are SOOOOOO much fun.
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> So who's behind, Big Brother, contractors, who else? Is the
> Jewish lawyer in it? Maybe he's promoting this campaign
> against cameras. ;)
>
>
--
May You reep the poverrty You have Voted for.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> Just Communist crap, thank goodness I live in Tennessee,
> especially the middle area, by the drones voters have voted
> the redlightcameras OUT of existance, their pesky, inacurate
> and convict the wrong ones almost everytime.
Well, we disagree here:
Regarding the accident on Krome Ave, where a British lady lost her
life...
(posted comment)
Are we drawing lessons for the future? None of course! Every analysis
concentrates on the merits of the victim or the recklessness of some
predatory driver. In another recent accident a guy doing 80mph on city
streets hit a pedestrian who was partially dismembered. No thought
whatsoever into placing SPEED CAMERAS, commonplace in the UK.
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/05/08/one-person-killed-in-krome-avenue-crash/#comment-43286
When we are able to issue a BAZOOKA to pedestrians and cyclists we may
not need speed cameras. ;)
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > When we are able to issue a BAZOOKA to pedestrians and cyclists we may
> > not need speed cameras. ;)
>
Either that or...
(another accident, another comment of mine)
'Put the label “TERRORIST” on hit and runs and unleash the drone.'
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/05/18/police-seek-driver-in-deadly-u-s-1-hit-run-crash/#comment-43794
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/05/18/police-seek-driver-in-deadly-u-s...
Some comment then my wisdom:
"Hit and RUN should equal = A mandatory min 10 yr jail time . This way
perhaps some might give it some thought and if not society is better
off with them rotting in jail."
WiseTibetanMonkey says...
20 yr jail time when there are injuries.
30 yr jail time when there are deaths.