Re: Who Benefits From Illegal Immigration ?
Ted
> 1) MEXICO - Millions of U. S. dollars stream into Mexico every month
> from illegal immigrants that send their paychecks home to their
> families. The Mexican government is the ultimate benefactor as they
> control the lives of their citizens.
>
> 2) ORGANIZED DRUG DEALERS - In the 1960's you could drive down to the
> border and pick up a pound of weed for about 30 U. S. dollars. The weed
> came from a peasant farmer that was not involved in an 'international
> drug trade'. Now the stakes are much different. Drug dealing is a
> multi-billion dollar industry. Not only do Americans spend millions of
> dollars on legal pharmaceutical drugs in Mexico, but they also prop the
> Mexican economy through billions of dollars of supposedly 'illegal'
> Mexican drugs.
>
> Tons of cocaine are transported easily from South America and into the
> U. S across our Southern border. The weed (marijuana) trade supports
> thousands along the borders and in the pot growing regions of Mexico.
> The Mexican governments futile attempts at cleaning up border towns like
> Nuevo Laredo and others is only because it benefits them to keep them
> lawless. The drug trade along the Mexican border has created thousands
> of instant millionaires along the border, in Mexico and in the U. S. A..
>
> Illegal immigrants that enter the U. S. are couriers and drug pushers
> for most of the illegal drugs entering the U. S.. Mexicans nationals and
> Mexican-Americans living in the Southwestern border-states control the
> illegal drug trade in Marijuana, Cocaine and Heroin as well as the
> thriving drug trade in pharmaceutical drugs manufactured in Mexico.
> Another residual effect of the drug trade is the prevalence of gangs in
> the U. S.. Gangs are simply disposable retail drug operations for the
> organized drug dealers. And gang members carry out the dirty work for
> the drug dealers so they never get their hands dirty.
>
> Mexican organized crime is no different than Italian crime families and
> the Mafia. They expect loyalty or the price is death. Where there is
> drug dealing there is prostitution. Hundreds perhaps thousands of women
> have wound up dead and discarded into the desert. Many of these were the
> result of organized criminals running drugs and prostitutes. The more
> illegal immigrants that are entering and living in the U. S., the more
> the organized drug lords have to spread their goods and earn them a
> lucrative living. Tighten the borders and you tighten the noose on the
> criminals. It won't stop them completely.
>
> As long as weed is a highly desired illegally commodity in the U. S.,
> the drug lords will continue to make a killing on this easily grown,
> cheap agricultural product worth increasingly more on this side of the
> border only because it is illegal.
>
> 3) CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTORS IN THE U. S. - Illegal immigration has been
> a windfall for developers and contractors in the building trades as well
> as for contractors in the industrial trades. In Southwestern states
> where Unions are not a requirement for contractors, contractors have
> taken full advantage of illegal immigrant workers. Unions have always
> been the favorite child of Italian crime families and other organized
> crime. Illegal immigrants are the favorite child of organized crime now.
> Contractors can hire disposable illegal immigrants that no one will miss
> if they disappear.
>
> Contractors can also pay minimal wages, pocket employee taxes like FICA
> and Social Security and threaten the workers with exposure or
> deportation if they do not do exactly what they are told to do or if
> they don't keep their mouths shut. They are basically slaves to their
> employers. Illegal immigrants are the slave trade of the twenty first
> century.
>
> 4) HOTEL AND RESTAURANT INDUSTRIES - Hotels and restaurants hire
> millions of illegal immigrants. It saves them money and they have an
> endless supply of cheap labor.
>
> 5) LANDSCAPERS - How do so many landscapers make so much money so fast?
> Illegal immigrants.
>
> 6) JANITORIAL SERVICES - Again cheap labor, and an endless supply of
> workers.
>
> 7) CORPORATIONS AND BUSINESSES - By hiring contractors, landscapers and
> janitorial services that employs illegal immigrants they save money
> because generally they can provide the same service for less.
>
> 8) OTHERS - Domestic services like maids, mechanic shops, illegal chop
> shops. Most of the cars stolen in the United States end up in Mexico or
> are sold and traded through Mexico as parts.
>
> 9) POLITICIANS - Most politicians are investors too. If the companies
> they invest in make more money because they hire illegals, they're
> happy.
>
> WHO LOSES FROM ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?
> 1) TAXPAYERS - More welfare benefits, more roads, more schools, more
> free health care, more strain on utilities and limited resources, less
> legal citizens that pay their fair share of taxes.
>
> 2) SCHOOLS - More students that don't speak the language slow down those
> that do. It costs more to educate. Teachers become frustrated because
> they are judged and evaluated based on standards that are set for
> English speaking students and they know they can't possibly expect the
> non-English speaking students to score on the same level as English
> speaking students. Schools with lower performing non-English speaking
> students or students who have difficulty with the language end up
> getting LESS money for education at their schools.
>
> 3) HEALTH CARE - Health care costs rise because of an increase in
> indigent care.
>
> 4) STATE GOVERNMENTS - States are required to provide more services and
> utilities for a larger population that is not exponentially increasing
> the tax base.
>
> 5) LOCAL GOVERNMENTS - Same issue as the state governments.
>
> 6) MEXICAN NATIONALS - As long as the Mexican government knows that it
> can export their citizens and receive a double benefit they will
> continue to promote illegal immigration to the U. S. Less Mexican
> citizens in Mexico means less that the government has to pay for its
> citizens. More illegal immigrants in the U. S. means more money coming
> to Mexico from the U. S. And as long as they can make money by exporting
> their citizens to another country, they are less likely to improve
> conditions in their own country for their own citizens.
Fine article to email.
ted
adam russell
workers. They work cheap not because they are mexican or because they are
poor, but primarily because they are illegal. It significantly reduces
their ability to ask higher wages. This first reduces the going wage in
that specific labor market, and secondarily reduces the going wages in the
labor market in general for that geographic area. Legal workers cant ask
for more pay for farming (as example) when the employer can just go out and
get illegals cheaper. And people in other industries in the area also have
reduced ability to tell their employer "Ill just go work for someone else if
I cant get more pay here", since there are less choices of other places to
go since some jobs choices are monopolized by cheap illegal labor. Everyone
that works for a living loses wages to a degree depending on how distant
they are from the illegal jobs market.
Rod Speed
> Id like to add that the entire labor market becomes depressed due to illegal workers.
Nope, just the dregs of the labor market.
> They work cheap not because they are mexican or because they are poor, but primarily because they are illegal. It
> significantly reduces their ability to ask higher wages. This first reduces the going wage in that specific labor
> market, and secondarily reduces the going wages in the labor market in general for that geographic area.
Nope, doesnt depress the wages of doctors, engineers or lawyers etc etc etc.
> Legal workers cant ask for more pay for farming (as example) when the employer can just go out and get illegals
> cheaper.
Yes, but it doesnt affect the wages of professionals.
> And people in other industries in the area also have reduced ability
> to tell their employer "Ill just go work for someone else if I cant
> get more pay here", since there are less choices of other places to
> go since some jobs choices are monopolized by cheap illegal labor.
There's plenty of jobs illegals dont get to do.
> Everyone that works for a living loses wages to a degree depending on how distant they are from the illegal jobs
> market.
Nope, professionals most obviously arent affected at all
and get to employ the illegals to do the menial work like
the lawns, wiping kids arses, cleaning the house, etc etc etc.
Its nothing like as black and white as you claim.
William Souden
> adam russell <adamr...@sbcglobal.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Id like to add that the entire labor market becomes depressed due to illegal workers.
>
> Nope, just the dregs of the labor market.
Which is still several steps up from a career welfare leech.
>
>> They work cheap not because they are mexican or because they are poor, but primarily because they are illegal. It
>> significantly reduces their ability to ask higher wages. This first reduces the going wage in that specific labor
>> market, and secondarily reduces the going wages in the labor market in general for that geographic area.
>
> Nope, doesnt depress the wages of doctors, engineers or lawyers etc etc etc.
>
>> Legal workers cant ask for more pay for farming (as example) when the employer can just go out and get illegals
>> cheaper.
>
> Yes, but it doesnt affect the wages of professionals.
>
>> And people in other industries in the area also have reduced ability
>> to tell their employer "Ill just go work for someone else if I cant
>> get more pay here", since there are less choices of other places to
>> go since some jobs choices are monopolized by cheap illegal labor.
>
> There's plenty of jobs illegals dont get to do.
>
>> Everyone that works for a living loses wages to a degree depending on how distant they are from the illegal jobs
>> market.
>
> Nope, professionals most obviously arent affected at all
> and get to employ the illegals to do the menial work like
> the lawns, wiping kids arses, cleaning the house, etc etc etc.
Still more work than you ever did, welfare boy.
JR Weiss
>
>> Id like to add that the entire labor market becomes depressed due to illegal
>> workers.
>
> Nope, just the dregs of the labor market.
>
Actually, it does. Since uninsured illegals use public hospitals, public
defenders, etc., doctors and lawyers and other professionals have to do a lot of
pro bono and/or low-compensation work that uses up time they could otherwise
devote to higher-paid work.
sarge137
wrote:
Perhaps in the area of unskilled labor, but that's about all. A
significant pool to be sure, but not as critical to the overall
economic picture as some would have us believe. Every job in this
country has a market clearing price, which can vary considerably
depending on where it is. Employers who want to stay in business
can't pay more than that, and employees who want to keep their jobs
better not expect more than that. Unless you have some sort of hard
to find technical or professional skill set, that these illegals
simply don't possess, telling your boss you're going somewhere else if
you don't get a raise will result in unemployment. Doesn't have
anything to do, in my opinion, with their status.
Regards,
Sarge
adam russell
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> adam russell <adamr...@sbcglobal.net.invalid> wrote:
<snip>
>> Everyone that works for a living loses wages to a degree depending on how
>> distant they are from the illegal jobs market.
>
> Nope, professionals most obviously arent affected at all
> and get to employ the illegals to do the menial work like
> the lawns, wiping kids arses, cleaning the house, etc etc etc.
>
> Its nothing like as black and white as you claim.
I never said it was black and white, I said everyone is affected to a
*degree* depending on how close they are to the job market that the illegals
work. Lawyers are so distant that the effect is not noticable, obviously.
Farmworkers are affected more than anyone else because they are right in the
labor market affected. Those are the two ends of the spectrum. Everyone in
between is affected more or less depending on where they are in the market.
You cant take a section of the labor market away without affecting the rest
of the labor market.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Id like to add that the entire labor market becomes depressed due to illegal workers.
>> Nope, just the dregs of the labor market.
>> Nope, doesnt depress the wages of doctors, engineers or lawyers etc etc etc.
> Actually, it does.
Actually, it doesnt.
> Since uninsured illegals use public hospitals, public defenders, etc., doctors and lawyers and other professionals
> have to do a lot of pro bono and/or low-compensation work that uses
> up time they could otherwise devote to higher-paid work.
Pity about the teachers that have to teach their brats etc.
And the cops who get to deal with their crime, etc etc etc.
And the border guards, immigration paper shufflers etc etc etc.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> adam russell <adamr...@sbcglobal.net.invalid> wrote
>>> Everyone that works for a living loses wages to a degree depending on how distant they are from the illegal jobs
>>> market.
>> Nope, professionals most obviously arent affected at all
>> and get to employ the illegals to do the menial work like
>> the lawns, wiping kids arses, cleaning the house, etc etc etc.
>> Its nothing like as black and white as you claim.
> I never said it was black and white,
That para of yours now at the top is just that.
> I said everyone is affected to a *degree* depending on how close they are to the job market that the illegals work.
And that is just plain wrong, as I rubbed your nose in.
> Lawyers are so distant that the effect is not noticable, obviously.
Pity about cops, teachers, govt employees that deal with immigrants,
most obviously with those dealing with foreigners at airports, etc etc etc.
> Farmworkers are affected more than anyone else
> because they are right in the labor market affected.
Yes, SOME are affected, most obviously with the dregs of the labor market, as I said.
The problem is your silly claim that EVERYONE THAT WORKS FOR A LIVING is affected.
That is just plain wrong, hordes of them arent affected at all in the wages they get most
obviously with the bulk of the professions and even those like teachers and cops.
> Those are the two ends of the spectrum. Everyone in between is affected more or less depending on where they are in
> the market.
Wrong, hordes dont have their wages affected at all, most obviously with teachers and cops.
> You cant take a section of the labor market away without affecting the rest of the labor market.
Wrong again. And no section of the labor market is taken away either.
William Souden
> adam russell <adamr...@sbcglobal.net.invalid> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> adam russell <adamr...@sbcglobal.net.invalid> wrote
>
>>>> Everyone that works for a living loses wages to a degree depending on how distant they are from the illegal jobs
>>>> market.
>
>>> Nope, professionals most obviously arent affected at all
>>> and get to employ the illegals to do the menial work like
>>> the lawns, wiping kids arses, cleaning the house, etc etc etc.
>
>>> Its nothing like as black and white as you claim.
>
>> I never said it was black and white,
>
> That para of yours now at the top is just that.
>
>> I said everyone is affected to a *degree* depending on how close they are to the job market that the illegals work.
>
> And that is just plain wrong, as I rubbed your nose in.
>
>> Lawyers are so distant that the effect is not noticable, obviously.
>
> Pity about cops, teachers, govt employees that deal with immigrants,
> most obviously with those dealing with foreigners at airports, etc etc etc.
>
>> Farmworkers are affected more than anyone else
>> because they are right in the labor market affected.
>
> Yes, SOME are affected, most obviously with the dregs of the labor market, as I said.
>
> The problem is your silly claim that EVERYONE THAT WORKS FOR A LIVING is affected.
> That is just plain wrong, hordes of them arent affected at all in the wages they get most
> obviously with the bulk of the professions and even those like teachers and cops.
What would you know about working for a living,welfare boy?
adam russell
> Wrong, hordes dont have their wages affected at all, most obviously with
> teachers and cops.
We disagree here. I claim that teachers and cops are somewhat affected and
you claim they are not affected at all. The basis for my claim is in the
logic I presented and the basis of your claim is simply your say-so.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> adam russell <adamr...@sbcglobal.net.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> adam russell <adamr...@sbcglobal.net.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Everyone that works for a living loses wages to a degree depending on how distant they are from the illegal jobs
>>>>> market.
>>>> Nope, professionals most obviously arent affected at all
>>>> and get to employ the illegals to do the menial work like
>>>> the lawns, wiping kids arses, cleaning the house, etc etc etc.
>>>> Its nothing like as black and white as you claim.
>>> I never said it was black and white,
>> That para of yours now at the top is just that.
>>> I said everyone is affected to a degree depending on how close they are to the job market that the illegals work.
>> And that is just plain wrong, as I rubbed your nose in.
>>> Lawyers are so distant that the effect is not noticable, obviously.
>> Pity about cops, teachers, govt employees that deal with immigrants,
>> most obviously with those dealing with foreigners at airports, etc etc etc.
>>> Farmworkers are affected more than anyone else
>>> because they are right in the labor market affected.
>> Yes, SOME are affected, most obviously with the dregs of the labor market, as I said.
>> The problem is your silly claim that EVERYONE THAT WORKS FOR A LIVING is affected.
>> That is just plain wrong, hordes of them arent affected at all in the wages they get most
>> obviously with the bulk of the professions and even those like teachers and cops.
>>> Those are the two ends of the spectrum. Everyone in between is affected more or less depending on where they are in
>>> the market.
>> Wrong, hordes dont have their wages affected at all, most obviously with teachers and cops.
> We disagree here.
Your problem.
> I claim that teachers and cops are somewhat affected
They actually end up with better wages.
In the case of the teachers, because there are more brats to teach.
In the case of the cops, more criminals to deal with, quite a bit of the time on overtime etc.
> and you claim they are not affected at all.
> The basis for my claim is in the logic I presented
You didnt present a shred of 'logic' with those two groups and their wages.
> and the basis of your claim is simply your say-so.
You're lying, as always.
sinister
> adam russell <adamr...@sbcglobal.net.invalid> wrote:
<snip>
> Nope, doesnt depress the wages of doctors, engineers or lawyers etc etc
> etc.
Most of those guys are protected from int'l competition by guvmint or by
their own racket.
Rod Speed
>> Nope, doesnt depress the wages of doctors, engineers or lawyers etc etc etc.
> Most of those guys are protected from int'l competition by guvmint or by their own racket.
Plenty of others arent and dont have their wages depressed by illegals either.
Cheapo Groovo
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