Should I buy a gas gussler?
James
with big discounts I might get one. I only drive 8000 miles a year so
it's only about 300 gallons of gas. A big car using twice as much gas
would cost $1200 more in gas. Wouldn't it be frugal to get a big
comfortable car and get the savings up front?
Seerialmom
How did you do your math on the MPG? I took your 8K and divided by
16mpg, answer was 500 gal. Multiplied that by $4 and came out with
$2K. Technically, if you can get the gas guzzler for "less" than a
car that gets 30mpg or more and don't drive much...economically it
might work. Now ask this question over at treehugger.com and see what
kind of answer you get :p
James
$2K and 500 gal was your total. I said 300 gallons more or $1200 more
than a wind up toy car. Treehuggers can kiss my u no watt.
Dave
"James" <j006...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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No. But here's a real frugal tip...craigslist has lots of gas guzzlers for
next to nothing right now. Saving several thousand dollars on the purchase
of a new car is not frugal. -Dave
Brad Naylor
"James" <j006...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cbcdfdc7-542d-45fb...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
Depends on where gas prices go in the future. Is $10 gas likely as India
and China continue to rapidly increase their rates of car ownership and new
drilling/discoveries lag the increase in demand? Your $1200 more would go
to $3000 more -- what does that do to your decision?
George
Not a treehugger by any means but waste is waste. I always thought the
idea of driving a fluffed up truck for personal transportation was silly
even when the fuel prices were 20% of what they are now.
Shawn Hirn
<cbcdfdc7-542d-45fb...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
James <j006...@hotmail.com> wrote:
How long do you expect to own this vehicle? Keep in mind that the price
of gas one year from now, then two years down the road, and three, four,
and five years will only go up. If you are a low mileage driver, it
might be better for you to rent a car once a week and consolidate your
driving or perhaps join a car share service or maybe split the cost of a
car with a neighbor or relative who also is an infrequent driver.
Rod Speed
Jeff
There has never been anything frugal about buying a new car. And the
drive off the lot devaluation for an SUV is particularly harsh.
http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/05/severely-underwater-vehicles.html
But hey, if you want to drive a brand new road hog, then go buy one.
It really isn't a question of economics is it?
Jeff
Nicik Name
"Shawn Hirn" <sr...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-7C7EEF.2...@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article
> <cbcdfdc7-542d-45fb...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
> James <j006...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I haven't shop cars but if dealers are trying to rid their big cars
>> with big discounts I might get one. I only drive 8000 miles a year so
>> it's only about 300 gallons of gas. A big car using twice as much gas
>> would cost $1200 more in gas. Wouldn't it be frugal to get a big
>> comfortable car and get the savings up front?
>
> How long do you expect to own this vehicle? Keep in mind that the price
> of gas one year from now, then two years down the road, and three, four,
> and five years will only go up.
clams_casino
>
> There has never been anything frugal about buying a new car. And the
> drive off the lot devaluation for an SUV is particularly harsh.
>
You obviously have a lot to learn about cost of driving. While that is
probably true true for low mileage drivers, it's often times the
opposite for high mileage drivers.
Example - When I bought my Pilot back in 1/05, the Edmunds / Kelly blue
book values were actually higher vs. the price I paid, a year later.
You really need to word that as buying a new car "may not" always be
frugal & the depreciation "can be" harsh (particularly if one does not
consider depreciation of the life of their car).
Saying depreciation is "harsh" as you drive off the lot is much like
saying the first mile driven after filling a gas tank costs $50.
As they say, one size does not fit all.
James
> "James" <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
How do you avoid the crooks when shopping craigslist?
James
> In article
> <cbcdfdc7-542d-45fb-879c-7926b9159...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
If I spend $60 a weekend on rentals it would be around $3000 a year.
If I lived in NYC I wouldn't own a car but just take the taxi.
Jeff
> Jeff wrote:
>
>>
>> There has never been anything frugal about buying a new car. And the
>> drive off the lot devaluation for an SUV is particularly harsh.
>>
>
> You obviously have a lot to learn about cost of driving. While that is
> probably true true for low mileage drivers,
Isn't the OP a low mileage driver?
it's often times the
> opposite for high mileage drivers.
>
> Example - When I bought my Pilot back in 1/05, the Edmunds / Kelly blue
> book values were actually higher vs. the price I paid, a year later.
A lot has changed since 2005/2006. The price of oil is about double.
And I think we are talking about buying an SUV versus a smaller car.
And if you read the link I posted before, you'd see that KBB values
of used SUVs are too high compared to actual market prices. Thh prices
are falling faster than they can keep up with.
>
> You really need to word that as buying a new car "may not" always be
> frugal & the depreciation "can be" harsh (particularly if one does not
> consider depreciation of the life of their car).
>
> Saying depreciation is "harsh" as you drive off the lot is much like
> saying the first mile driven after filling a gas tank costs $50.
Drive any new car off the lot and it's immediately worth
substantially less.
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/auto/20011226a.asp
Essentially, you've bought at retail and your vehicle is now worth
wholesale. Many vehicles depreciate little from the first to third year
after the initial drop.
>
> As they say, one size does not fit all.
If there ever was a great time for buying a low mileage gas guzzler,
this is it. Let someone else take the drive off the lot depreciation.
Unless you are doing tax magic to depreciate your assets.
I have friends with gas guzzlers and they are basically trapped. It
just costs too much to replace them, and it costs too much to drive
them. People that drive gas guzzlers have the money to buy them new and
want brand new guzzlers, not used but very nice condition ones. The OP
is no different. If you want a two ton status symbol, you want a brand
new one.
Jeff
James
> James wrote:
> > I haven't shop cars but if dealers are trying to rid their big cars
> > with big discounts I might get one. I only drive 8000 miles a year so
> > it's only about 300 gallons of gas. A big car using twice as much gas
> > would cost $1200 more in gas. Wouldn't it be frugal to get a big
> > comfortable car and get the savings up front?
>
> There has never been anything frugal about buying a new car. And the
> drive off the lot devaluation for an SUV is particularly harsh.
>
>
> But hey, if you want to drive a brand new road hog, then go buy one.
> It really isn't a question of economics is it?
>
> Jeff
I bought my brand new 02 Ford Focus with the rebates and dealer
discount. Two years later people were selling them for more than what
I paid. So you can't tell me it wasn't frugal buying a new car.
Years ago people thought big cars were dead but they made a come
back. When the economy recovers Americans will be driving monsters
again.
Ken Lay
Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
> Drive any new car off the lot and it's immediately worth
> substantially less.
Average loss immediately upon leaving the dealer's lot: 15%
--
Everybody lies. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney just suck at it.
Jeff
> On Aug 14, 11:58 pm, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>> James wrote:
>>> I haven't shop cars but if dealers are trying to rid their big cars
>>> with big discounts I might get one. I only drive 8000 miles a year so
>>> it's only about 300 gallons of gas. A big car using twice as much gas
>>> would cost $1200 more in gas. Wouldn't it be frugal to get a big
>>> comfortable car and get the savings up front?
>> There has never been anything frugal about buying a new car. And the
>> drive off the lot devaluation for an SUV is particularly harsh.
>>
>> http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/05/severely-underwater-vehicl...
>>
>> But hey, if you want to drive a brand new road hog, then go buy one.
>> It really isn't a question of economics is it?
>>
>> Jeff
>
> I bought my brand new 02 Ford Focus with the rebates and dealer
> discount.
Right car for the times.
Two years later people were selling them for more than what
> I paid.
Were they really selling them, or trying to sell them at that price?
It is true the Manufacturers had really screwed themselves with
pushing out inventory at any cost just to keep up market share. That is
largely a discarded tactic as insane incentives have proven to be, well
"insane".
Edmunds guide to current incentives:
So you can't tell me it wasn't frugal buying a new car.
> Years ago people thought big cars were dead but they made a come
> back. When the economy recovers Americans will be driving monsters
> again.
I think they have gone the way of the Mini Van.
Jeff
Brad Naylor
>Years ago people thought big cars were dead but they made a come
>back. When the economy recovers Americans will be driving monsters
>again.
There will always be a market for "monsters". It will just be very small.
clams_casino
>In article <YNqdne-BN6DL5jjV...@earthlink.com>,
> Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Drive any new car off the lot and it's immediately worth
>>substantially less.
>>
>>
>
>Average loss immediately upon leaving the dealer's lot: 15%
>
>
That's equivalent to saying the first ten feet out of the gas station
just cost you $50. The next 400 miles costs nothing in fuel cost.
Seerialmom
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt; obviously I know conserving
oil wasn't the priority and throwing treehuggers into it was done
tongue in cheek. I think it's silly to toss a fully paid vehicle out
to save $300 a year on gas but pay $25K or more to replace it. Just
like my son would like me to ditch my 27in CRT TV which works just
fine to replace it with a 40+ or larger HDTV costing anywhere from
$699 and up. My TV is paid for, when it "dies" I'll consider it.
Bob
A gas "guzzler"?
If you mean SUVs; most SUVs are car bodies on a truck frame (done so
manufacturers could get around the CAFE m.p.g. restrictions.) So they handle
poorly, and ride badly. SUVs are expensive, and dangerous for the owner and
others on the road.
Gas prices have Not peaked, but oil production has. And developing
countries such as China want more. The U.S. invaded Iraq for the oil. Russia
invaded Georgia for the oil. There will be more wars for what little oil is
left.
jakdedert
n.gen...only your reply?
That reply is somewhat ill-informed, in that 'most' SUVs are different.
There are a number which are built on automobile platforms, which
perhaps is what you meant to say. Nevertheless, there are some built on
truck platforms as well. Most handle 'differently' from cars; but
'badly' is a blanket statement that is way too general.
But more to the point, the OP asked about buying one because the prices
have *dropped* due to decreased demand. You reply that SUVs are
'expensive'....?
jak
MrWonderful
> "James" <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Not only that, but the dufus thinks he'll get almost *30* mpg~!:
"8000 miles / 300 gallons"
I saw a diesel tech report that shows modern clean-tech diesels in
Mercedes cars (etc) will get *45*mpg - nice~!
But as certain as muffy and kent are dog-stupid, "Detroit" and "the
financial indusrty," as well as 20% of amurca are now bankrupt due to
following president peewee bushit down his uneducated primrose path to
destruction~!
<Wait until you get the GNP/GDP #s for 2008/2009~!> Oh, yes,
rupublucuns can't draw rational conclusions~! Nevermind.
kiss my ass - you toothless trailer park trash dumpublucun, supply-
side, pro-business, pro-growth, uneducatred, gub-bubba, evangelical
nitwits~!
In conclusion....,
uck you. <not you, Bob>
: ) Lala
clams_casino
>
> If you mean SUVs; most SUVs are car bodies on a truck frame (done so
>manufacturers could get around the CAFE m.p.g. restrictions.) So they handle
>poorly, and ride badly. SUVs are expensive, and dangerous for the owner and
>others on the road.
>
>
Certainly NOT been our experience. Our Pilot has averaged over 22 mpg,
it rides smother & as quiet as any car I've ever owned / driven (except
with the windows open, the rumble noise is amazingly annoying) and its
four wheel drive / stability control system makes for a secure drive in
rain & snow storms. Our next vehicle will likely be a smaller, more
fuel efficient car, but we've been VERY pleased with this vehicle.
We'll probably never use the third row seat, but the head room,
internal space & driving comfort is just not available in that (or a
lower) priced vehicle.
> Gas prices have Not peaked, but oil production has. And developing
>countries such as China want more. The U.S. invaded Iraq for the oil. Russia
>invaded Georgia for the oil.
>
>
>
>
>
Russia didn't invade Georgia for their oil so much as they want to
prevent competing natural gas pipelines from being b built through
Georgia..
Rod Speed
> Bob wrote
>> Gas prices have Not peaked, but oil production has.
Nope.
>> And developing countries such as China want more. The U.S. invaded Iraq for the oil.
Nope.
>> Russia invaded Georgia for the oil.
Nope. And they didnt invade, they've pulled out now.
> Russia didn't invade Georgia for their oil so much as they want to prevent competing natural gas pipelines from being
> b built through Georgia..
Wrong, as always. The pipeline thru Georgia ALREADY moves russian oil.
Bob
> __________________________________________
> Never argue with an idiot.
Bob
"jakdedert" <jakd...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:wKjpk.10313$rD2....@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> Bob wrote:
>>
>>
> Bob, did you x-post this from somewhere else? I don't see the OP in
> n.gen...only your reply?
You can trim misc.consumers.frugal-living from your reply if desired.
>
> That reply is somewhat ill-informed, in that 'most' SUVs are different.
> There are a number which are built on automobile platforms, which perhaps
> is what you meant to say.
Maybe shoulda said up until the last few years, all SUVs were built on
truck frames. Now if an SUV is on a much better handling, smoother riding,
safer car frame, then it has to meet CAFE (m.p.g) standards for a car.
>Nevertheless, there are some built on truck platforms as well. Most handle
>'differently' from cars; but 'badly' is a blanket statement that is way too
>general.
I don't think so. The last few years, some SUVs have gotten better, but
most still handle like a tank, less responsive, roll over easily, etc.
>
> But more to the point, the OP asked about buying one because the prices
> have *dropped* due to decreased demand. You reply that SUVs are
> 'expensive'....?
Correct. Sellers can drop the price so much because SUVs have an
extraordinary profit margin to begin with. SUVs are generally impractical,
unsafe, expensive to buy and maintain.
Bob
"MrWonderful"
>In conclusion....,
>uck you. <not you, Bob>
>: ) Lala
Well.. do, and you'll never go back to wimmen!
jest kidding.. really..
Bob
"clams_casino" <PeterG...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:rpkpk.27025$KZ.1...@newsfe03.iad...
> Bob wrote:
> ...
>> Gas prices have Not peaked, but oil production has. And developing
>> countries such as China want more. The U.S. invaded Iraq for the oil.
>> Russia invaded Georgia for the oil.
>>
>>
>>
> Russia didn't invade Georgia for their oil so much as they want to prevent
> competing natural gas pipelines from being b built through Georgia..
Oh. But the motivation was about the same.
Bob
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6gm66hF...@mid.individual.net...
Rod, you little stinker.
If you ever had an original idea, your head would explode.
Better shut up and be thought a fool,
than be Rod Speed and remove all doubt.
clams_casino
>
> Rod, you little stinker.
>If you ever had an original idea, your head would explode.
>
>Better shut up and be thought a fool,
>than be Rod Speed and remove all doubt.
>
>
>
>
>
Rod has intelligence of a garden slug. What can you expect?
Rod Speed
Bob <m...@trix.net> wrote just what you'd expect from
a pig ignorant desperately cowering gutless fuckwit.
Rod Speed
> Rod has intelligence of a garden slug. What can you expect?
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
clams_casino
>
>
>>>Russia invaded Georgia for the oil.
>>>
>>>
>
>Nope. And they didnt invade, they've pulled out now.
>
>
Only in your mind
>
>
>>Russia didn't invade Georgia for their oil so much as they want to prevent competing natural gas pipelines from being
>> built through Georgia..
>>
>>
>
>Wrong, as always. The pipeline thru Georgia ALREADY moves russian oil.
>
>
>
>
Next time, wait for the meds to take hold before you reply.
"There have been plans to take the same Georgia route (current oil
pipeline) for a Caspian natural-gas pipeline ending in Europe. Such a
pipeline would offer serious competition to Gazprom, the giant Russian
oil-and-gas conglomerate. Russia supplies one-quarter of the oil and
half the natural gas consumed in Europe, and the revenue is seen as key
to Russian prosperity. The European Union has been keen on the Georgia
plan as a way to gain bargaining power and reduce the risk of supply
cutoffs."
William Souden
You can always tell when the fact have failed Rod when you see the
paper bag or fuckwit bots. When he is totally humiliated you get the
flushing bot.
William Souden
job that fired him before lunch?
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Russia invaded Georgia for the oil.
>> Nope. And they didnt invade, they've pulled out now.
> Only in your mind
Nope, got the news footage too.
>>> Russia didn't invade Georgia for their oil so much as they want to prevent competing natural gas pipelines from
>>> being built through Georgia..
>> Wrong, as always. The pipeline thru Georgia ALREADY moves russian oil.
> Next time, wait for the meds to take hold before you reply.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
> "There have been plans to take the same Georgia route (current oil
> pipeline) for a Caspian natural-gas pipeline ending in Europe. Such a
> pipeline would offer serious competition to Gazprom, the giant Russian
> oil-and-gas conglomerate. Russia supplies one-quarter of the oil and
> half the natural gas consumed in Europe, and the revenue is seen as
> key to Russian prosperity. The European Union has been keen on the
> Georgia plan as a way to gain bargaining power and reduce the risk of
> supply cutoffs."
Pity the russians cant stop that with the russian troops back in South Ossetia now, fuckwit.
Seerialmom
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:06:16 -0500, "Bob" <m...@trix.net> wrote:
>
> >"James" <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> __________________________________________
> Never argue with an idiot.
>
> - Show quoted text -
the "other" Georgia next door to Russia :D
phil scott
> "Shawn Hirn" <s...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:srhi-7C7EEF.2...@comcast.dca.giganews.com...> In article
> > <cbcdfdc7-542d-45fb-879c-7926b9159...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
> > James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I haven't shop cars but if dealers are trying to rid their big cars
> >> with big discounts I might get one. I only drive 8000 miles a year so
> >> it's only about 300 gallons of gas. A big car using twice as much gas
> >> would cost $1200 more in gas. Wouldn't it be frugal to get a big
> >> comfortable car and get the savings up front?
>
> > of gas one year from now, then two years down the road, and three, four,
> > and five years will only go up.
>
> Nope.............the high peaked late June 2008.
you mean it will never.. ever...go back up...or even to 10 dollars a
gallon? not even if there is war in the middle east, or the indians
and chinese get more cars?
recent peak was only recent.
phil scott
> On Aug 14, 8:54 pm, "Dave" <no...@nohow.not> wrote:
>
> > "James" <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:cbcdfdc7-542d-45fb...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > with big discounts I might get one. I only drive 8000 miles a year so
> > > it's only about 300 gallons of gas. A big car using twice as much gas
> > > would cost $1200 more in gas. Wouldn't it be frugal to get a big
> > > comfortable car and get the savings up front?
>
> > next to nothing right now. Saving several thousand dollars on the purchase
> > of a new car is not frugal. -Dave
>
> How do you avoid the crooks when shopping craigslist?
first its not common...but it happens... you look at their history and
any complaints filed..no history is a red flag, complaints may be or
not, read them... then inspect the goods and pay with a cc card or
cash, or money order.
ebay is better, their rating system almost guarantees any problems get
worked out.
phil scott
Lou
"George" <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:0padnU-ihoMddTnV...@comcast.com...
> James wrote:
> > I haven't shop cars but if dealers are trying to rid their big cars
> > with big discounts I might get one. I only drive 8000 miles a year so
> > it's only about 300 gallons of gas. A big car using twice as much gas
> > would cost $1200 more in gas. Wouldn't it be frugal to get a big
> > comfortable car and get the savings up front?
>
> idea of driving a fluffed up truck for personal transportation was silly
> even when the fuel prices were 20% of what they are now.
There's waste, and then there's waste. What people are trying to not waste
here is money. That often translates into not wasting other stuff, because
it takes money to buy that other stuff.
But everyone's situation is different, and it may be that buying a cheap
vehicle that get 20 miles to a gallon has a less overall cost (purchase plus
operate costs) than buying a more expensive vehicle that gets 30 miles to a
gallon, at least for some people.
As far as the James' question is concerned, the only reasonable answer is
that you have to make your assumptions and run the numbers. For what it's
worth, every time I try to justify buying a super-efficient car like a Prius
over keeping my present car, the gas savings not only don't justify the
cost, even at $4/gallon, but the overall 4 or 5 year cost is higher than
continuing to drive my present car.
And I'll bet that unless George has a pair of shoes to wear for short walks,
roller skates for nearby destinations, a bicycle for around town use, and
the latest and greatest high miles per gallon car available to use for
longer trips (and drives it using so-called hypermilage techniques), has
come to much the same conclusion.
Lou
"Ken Lay" <livin_la_...@skilling.the.whipping.boy> wrote in message
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> In article <YNqdne-BN6DL5jjV...@earthlink.com>,
> Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>
> > Drive any new car off the lot and it's immediately worth
> > substantially less.
>
> Average loss immediately upon leaving the dealer's lot: 15%
And how's that any different from buying say, a new pair of shoes, or a
suit? I don't think cars are anything special in that regard.
Jean Smith
jakdedert <jakd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
The Subaru Forester in the extended family gets 24 MPG and tracks better than
my sedan.
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"Jean Smith" <go_te...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> In article <wKjpk.10313$rD2....@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> jakdedert <jakd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> The Subaru Forester in the extended family gets 24 MPG and tracks better
> than
> my sedan.
Hardly fits the SUV mold, ya think?
George
inefficient fluffed up trucks with 18 cup holders and 96,000 pound
towing capacity to transport one person around when GM and Ford decided
they could make more money building such stupid vehicles and the public
bought into the marketing.
clams_casino
Not typical perhaps, but it is an SUV - one of several compact sized SUVs.
Frank
"Seerialmom" <seeri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:564c39fe-8f9c-4b45...@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 14, 3:59 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I haven't shop cars but if dealers are trying to rid their big cars
> with big discounts I might get one. I only drive 8000 miles a year so
> it's only about 300 gallons of gas. A big car using twice as much gas
> would cost $1200 more in gas. Wouldn't it be frugal to get a big
> comfortable car and get the savings up front?
How did you do your math on the MPG? I took your 8K and divided by
16mpg, answer was 500 gal. Multiplied that by $4 and came out with
$2K. Technically, if you can get the gas guzzler for "less" than a
car that gets 30mpg or more and don't drive much...economically it
might work. Now ask this question over at treehugger.com and see what
kind of answer you get :p
He did the math correctly. He said he burns 300 gal on 8000 miles now, which
is 26.67 mpg or $1200 for the year. If he purchase a new car with 13.33 mpg,
it would cost him $2400 for the year or $1200 more in gas than the existing
car. All based on $4 per gallon.
Jean Smith
"gregg" <gr...@NOSPAMsaneearth.org> wrote:
Sure is. It's a truck that bitch has as to be helped into with an headstart and
a lift of the leash, while the other GSP doesn't think twice.
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/germanshorthairedpointer.htm
I don't know whether the cage wire above the back seats was original equipment,
but they aren't crowded back there.
On the other hand a friend just got a great deal on a Lincoln sedan from an
estate sale based on the comfort and style rationale. The Chevy extended cab
was losing its luster, as his primary vehicle.
Bob
> In article <EwApk.20215$4p1....@en-nntp-09.dc1.easynews.com>,
> "gregg" <gr...@NOSPAMsaneearth.org> wrote:
>
>> "Jean Smith" <go_te...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:go_termite-DCAD2...@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
>> > In article <wKjpk.10313$rD2....@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
>> > jakdedert <jakd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > The Subaru Forester in the extended family gets 24 MPG and tracks
>> > better
>> > than
>> > my sedan.
>>
>> Hardly fits the SUV mold, ya think?
>
> Sure is. It's a truck that bitch has as to be helped into with an
> headstart and
> a lift of the leash, while the other GSP doesn't think twice.
The Forester is a very nice, safe vehicle, but it is neither an SUV nor a
truck. Nowadays, that type of vehicle's referred to as a crossover.
SUV=Sport Uitlity Vehicle. Originally sold as something which could be
taken off-road. Hence the high center of gravity and stiff suspension which
made it unsafe at highway speeds.
But 'merkans with more money that sense just saw that it was Big, and
appeals to the unthinking lizard-brained mentality.
Dave
>
>> No. But here's a real frugal tip...craigslist has lots of gas guzzlers
for
>> next to nothing right now. Saving several thousand dollars on the
purchase
>> of a new car is not frugal. -Dave
>How do you avoid the crooks when shopping craigslist?
What crooks? They are so busy wandering the new car lots that they don't
have time to hang out on craigslist. -Dave
Jonathan Grobe
you buy a brand new car, you almost always pay for it over a
several year period. So if you are considering buying a new pair
of shoes you think about your old pair being worn out or out of
fashion, or you're just tired of it. But when you are considering
buying a new car there is an additional consideration: whether
you have fully paid for the car or if you will get a positive
trade-in value or if you are upside-down on the car (owe more than
you will get in trade-in).
--
Jonathan Grobe Books
Browse our inventory of thousands of used books at:
http://www.grobebooks.com
Lou
"Jonathan Grobe" <gr...@netins.net> wrote in message
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> On 2008-08-16, Lou <lpo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > "Ken Lay" <livin_la_...@skilling.the.whipping.boy> wrote in
message
> > news:livin_la_vida_morte-...@news.supernews.com...
> >> In article <YNqdne-BN6DL5jjV...@earthlink.com>,
> >> Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Drive any new car off the lot and it's immediately worth
> >> > substantially less.
> >>
> >> Average loss immediately upon leaving the dealer's lot: 15%
> >
> > And how's that any different from buying say, a new pair of shoes, or a
> > suit? I don't think cars are anything special in that regard.
> >
> When you buy a new pair of shoes you pay for it immediately.
Unless you charge it on a credit card that you don't pay in full every
month.
And really, how/when you pay for it is not the point - almost anything you
buy, the value drops precipitously as you leave the store or the first time
you use it. Visit just about any yard sale. There may be more dollars
invovled when the item under consideration is a car, but the principle is
the same.
clams_casino
Certainly a used car doesn't lose value when it's driven off the
lot.........
SpammersDie
>>
>> "Ken Lay" <livin_la_...@skilling.the.whipping.boy> wrote in
>> message
>> news:livin_la_vida_morte-...@news.supernews.com...
>>> In article <YNqdne-BN6DL5jjV...@earthlink.com>,
>>> Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Drive any new car off the lot and it's immediately worth
>>> > substantially less.
>>>
>>> Average loss immediately upon leaving the dealer's lot: 15%
>>
>> And how's that any different from buying say, a new pair of shoes, or a
>> suit? I don't think cars are anything special in that regard.
>>
> When you buy a new pair of shoes you pay for it immediately.
As do you when you buy a car - if you finance, you're renting the money, not
the car. The dealer gets paid in full immediately. Same as if you buy the
shoes using a credit card.
This doesn't bear on depreciation at all.
Vic Smith
Did anybody stop and think that shoes don't lose $1500-3000 in value
when you walk out of the shoe store.
Oh sure, that $1500-3000 is the same as the maybe $100 bucks your
shoes just depreciated. Shoes essentially depreciate 100% when
you walk out of the store. Who would buy your shoes?
But it doesn't matter if you're going to wear them until they fall
apart, right? Just like a car.
So shoes are like cars. Which have wheels, and so do office chairs.
No difference, all the same.
--Vic
The Real Bev
> Lou wrote:
>
>>And really, how/when you pay for it is not the point - almost anything you
>>buy, the value drops precipitously as you leave the store or the first time
>>you use it. Visit just about any yard sale. There may be more dollars
>>invovled when the item under consideration is a car, but the principle is
>>the same.
Latest bargain: A Garmin e-Map GPS for $1.00. Not fully up to date as
far as highways go, but good enough to tell you where you are. It can
be updated, but I'd need to buy a $15 cable and a $90 CD to do that.
> Certainly a used car doesn't lose value when it's driven off the
> lot.........
Certainly it does. You think the dealer will buy it back from you for
what you paid? You think somebody else is willing to buy it from you
for what you paid? Then why didn't they buy it before you did?
OTOH, long ago I bought a 1950 Chevy for $50 and sold it a year later
for $50 to a sailor on shore leave. I think I had to change a freeze
plug and a fender but everything else worked OK. Well, except for the
fact that I had to start it by turning the key on and then jamming a
steel bar between the terminals on the starting solenoid, which was
simpler at the time (8 months pregnant) than replacing the solenoid.
--
Cheers, Bev
=====================================================
"It's too bad stupidity isn't painful." - A. S. LaVey
Rod Speed
> clams_casino wrote
>> Lou wrote
>>> And really, how/when you pay for it is not the point - almost
>>> anything you buy, the value drops precipitously as you leave the store or the first time you use it. Visit just
>>> about any yard
>>> sale. There may be more dollars invovled when the item under
>>> consideration is a car, but the principle is the same.
> Latest bargain: A Garmin e-Map GPS for $1.00. Not fully up to date
> as far as highways go, but good enough to tell you where you are. It
> can be updated, but I'd need to buy a $15 cable and a $90 CD to do that.
Nope, just the cable, and its a lot cheaper than that.
>> Certainly a used car doesn't lose value when it's driven off the lot.........
> Certainly it does. You think the dealer will buy it back from you for
> what you paid? You think somebody else is willing to buy it from you for what you paid? Then why didn't they buy it
> before you did?
They were too stupid to be able to find it at that price.
The Real Bev
> The Real Bev <bashley1...@gmail.com> wrote
>> clams_casino wrote
>>> Lou wrote
>
>>>> And really, how/when you pay for it is not the point - almost
>>>> anything you buy, the value drops precipitously as you leave
>>>> the store or the first time you use it. Visit just about any
>>>> yard sale. There may be more dollars invovled when the item
>>>> under consideration is a car, but the principle is the same.
>
>> Latest bargain: A Garmin e-Map GPS for $1.00. Not fully up to
>> date as far as highways go, but good enough to tell you where you
>> are. It can be updated, but I'd need to buy a $15 cable and a $90
>> CD to do that.
>
> Nope, just the cable, and its a lot cheaper than that.
Including shipping? Where?
--
Cheers, Bev
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
I bought a tape called "Subliminal Advertising"
The next day I bought 47 more.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev <bashley1...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> clams_casino wrote
>>>> Lou wrote
>>
>>>>> And really, how/when you pay for it is not the point - almost
>>>>> anything you buy, the value drops precipitously as you leave
>>>>> the store or the first time you use it. Visit just about any
>>>>> yard sale. There may be more dollars invovled when the item
>>>>> under consideration is a car, but the principle is the same.
>>
>>> Latest bargain: A Garmin e-Map GPS for $1.00. Not fully up to
>>> date as far as highways go, but good enough to tell you where you
>>> are. It can be updated, but I'd need to buy a $15 cable and a $90
>>> CD to do that.
>> Nope, just the cable, and its a lot cheaper than that.
> Including shipping? Where?
ebay.
The Real Bev
> The Real Bev <bashley1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>> The Real Bev <bashley1...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> Latest bargain: A Garmin e-Map GPS for $1.00. Not fully up to
>>>> date as far as highways go, but good enough to tell you where you
>>>> are. It can be updated, but I'd need to buy a $15 cable and a $90
>>>> CD to do that.
>
>>> Nope, just the cable, and its a lot cheaper than that.
>
>> Including shipping? Where?
>
> ebay.
Yeah, that's where I looked. About $15 including shipping. If you have
a better link, please post.
--
Cheers,
Bev
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I don't need instructions, I have a hammer."
-- T.W. Wier
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev <bashley1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Real Bev <bashley1...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> Latest bargain: A Garmin e-Map GPS for $1.00. Not fully up to
>>>>> date as far as highways go, but good enough to tell you where you
>>>>> are. It can be updated, but I'd need to buy a $15 cable and a $90
>>>>> CD to do that.
>>
>>>> Nope, just the cable, and its a lot cheaper than that.
>>
>>> Including shipping? Where?
>>
>> ebay.
> Yeah, that's where I looked.
Look harder. It aint cast in stone for all time.
> About $15 including shipping. If you have a better link, please post.
You can get the cable for a lot less than that including shipping.