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RodSpeed,_dividends_and_cash_flow_are_bubblicious

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Feb 22, 2008, 11:56:12 AM2/22/08
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Anyone can play this game I am seeing. It is a casino at this point.
Try utilizing QID, SDS,DOG, PSQ,SH,DXD among other exchange traded
funds to go short on the major US market indexes. That EWA is holding
on fine there RodSpeed. Either the big money desk traders are trying
to take the market down incrementally because positions are so screwed
up or else they are baiting the shorts to get stuck in short holdings
that will get squeezed.

I am of the opinion that everything is market-based now. Thanks to
modern society, I can see gasoline go up in price daily, fluctuating
on oil prices. Real estate is market based, no firm prices there.
Health care? That is the next big thing that will be irking peoples of
the USA. Forget about jobs that go anywhere. We are looking at
massive containment of people for health benefits.

George Grapman

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Feb 22, 2008, 12:04:39 PM2/22/08
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Keep in mind that when but buy a stock your losses are limited to
your investment but when you go short the losses have no limit.

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Feb 22, 2008, 1:35:21 PM2/22/08
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"George Grapman" <sfge...@paccbell.net> wrote in message
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and there's never any guarantee that you can sell.
>


George Grapman

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Feb 22, 2008, 1:38:27 PM2/22/08
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I went short on a stock once. This was before the internet and I was
checking the price on the phone hourly. After I few days I realized I
did not have the stomach for this and cashed out.

Rod Speed

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Feb 22, 2008, 2:13:59 PM2/22/08
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RodSpeed,_dividends_and_cash_flow_are_bubblicious <kwo...@hotmail.com> wrote

> Anyone can play this game I am seeing. It is a casino at this point.

Some of it is, some of it aint.

> Try utilizing QID, SDS,DOG, PSQ,SH,DXD among other exchange
> traded funds to go short on the major US market indexes. That
> EWA is holding on fine there RodSpeed. Either the big money
> desk traders are trying to take the market down incrementally
> because positions are so screwed up or else they are baiting
> the shorts to get stuck in short holdings that will get squeezed.

> I am of the opinion that everything is market-based now.

Nope, plenty aint, most obviously with the free stuff.

> Thanks to modern society, I can see gasoline go up in price daily, fluctuating on oil prices.

Its just noise.

> Real estate is market based, no firm prices there.

> Health care? That is the next big thing that will be irking peoples of the USA.

Only part of the population. Most are healthy enough so they can ignore it except for the hypocondriacs.

> Forget about jobs that go anywhere.

No they cant. Restaurants dont work too well over in india if you happen to be in the US.

> We are looking at massive containment of people for health benefits.

Wanna that one again in english ?


RodSpeed,_dividends_and_cash_flow_are_bubblicious

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Feb 22, 2008, 5:09:22 PM2/22/08
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On Feb 22, 12:04 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> Keep in mind that when but buy a stock your losses are limited to
> your investment but when you go short the losses have no limit.


Ok, except the short exchange traded funds are something you go long
on. Buy one at $50/share and if market goes down, that $50 goes up. If
market goes up, that $50 goes down to zero, maybe. Most to lose is $50
per share. If you short Google at $500 share and let the stock go up
past $550, you are in the red for over $50. This is the beauty of
short ETFs.


Bob F

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Feb 27, 2008, 6:58:35 PM2/27/08
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"George Grapman" <sfge...@paccbell.net> wrote in message
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You could have put in a protective order to close out the position if the stock
went up to much.


George Grapman

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Feb 27, 2008, 7:37:10 PM2/27/08
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True but let me add two points. This is in the pre-internet days
when it was harder to follow prices and then,as now, the broker assumes
no liability if the sorder is not followed,.

Cheapo Groovo

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Feb 29, 2008, 2:35:49 PM2/29/08
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In article <veidnXHetdq8ZFja...@comcast.com>,
bobn...@gmail.com says...
Use ETFs to short enitre indices and/or countries - you don't need a
margin account.

Also use Zecco and forget about a human broker.

I posted all this stuff on my blog - but folks aroung here think that
providing information that is actionable is spamming!

http://cheapogroovo.vox.com

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