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Shadowland

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Oct 13, 2007, 5:11:13 PM10/13/07
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When you buy far flung produce you encourage long distance shipping.
Let save all that fuel and buy local. Spending locally help your
local economy also.

AllEmailDeletedImmediately

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Oct 13, 2007, 10:33:01 PM10/13/07
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"Shadowland" <saint...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> When you buy far flung produce you encourage long distance shipping.
> Let save all that fuel and buy local. Spending locally help your
> local economy also.

we can't grow oranges and bananas here. or grapefruit. or pineapple.
then again, we don't have giant, hissing cockroaches, either. :)


Anthony Matonak

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Oct 13, 2007, 11:17:45 PM10/13/07
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AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> we can't grow oranges and bananas here. or grapefruit. or pineapple.
> then again, we don't have giant, hissing cockroaches, either. :)

If you spend enough money, you can grow anything anywhere.

Anthony

Shawn Hirn

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Oct 14, 2007, 12:05:58 AM10/14/07
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In article <47118979$0$25692$4c36...@roadrunner.com>,
Anthony Matonak <antho...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:

Perhaps, but $10 a pound oranges and bananas won't sell well.

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and think of the energy required. which of course defeats the purpose.
>


Anthony Matonak

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Oct 14, 2007, 3:51:03 AM10/14/07
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AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> "Shawn Hirn" <sr...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> Anthony Matonak <antho...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
>>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>>>> we can't grow oranges and bananas here. or grapefruit. or pineapple.
>>>> then again, we don't have giant, hissing cockroaches, either. :)
>>> If you spend enough money, you can grow anything anywhere.
>> Perhaps, but $10 a pound oranges and bananas won't sell well.
>
> and think of the energy required. which of course defeats the purpose.

I wonder how much energy would be required. After all, greenhouses seem
to work pretty well and most of those are just solar heated. Sometimes
the problem is too much sunlight (energy) and they sell shade cloth to
block it.

Anthony

Stan Horwitz

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Oct 14, 2007, 5:52:31 AM10/14/07
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In article <4711c988$0$25652$4c36...@roadrunner.com>,
Anthony Matonak <antho...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:

> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> > "Shawn Hirn" <sr...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> Anthony Matonak <antho...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> >>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> >>>> we can't grow oranges and bananas here. or grapefruit. or pineapple.
> >>>> then again, we don't have giant, hissing cockroaches, either. :)
> >>> If you spend enough money, you can grow anything anywhere.
> >> Perhaps, but $10 a pound oranges and bananas won't sell well.
> >
> > and think of the energy required. which of course defeats the purpose.
>
> I wonder how much energy would be required. After all, greenhouses seem
> to work pretty well and most of those are just solar heated. Sometimes
> the problem is too much sunlight (energy) and they sell shade cloth to
> block it.

Hydroponic gardening would probably work for some crops, but I have
never tasted a piece of hydroponically grown produce that actually had
flavor.

Steve

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Oct 15, 2007, 1:07:03 AM10/15/07
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Shadowland <saint...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>When you buy far flung produce you encourage long distance shipping.
> Let save all that fuel and buy local.

(Peter Singer)---Other things being equal, if your food is grown
locally, you will save on fossil fuels. But other things are often not
equal. California rice is produced using artificial irrigation and
fertilizer that involves energy use. Bangladeshi rice takes advantage
of the natural flooding of the rivers, and doesn't require artificial
irrigation. It also doesn't involve as much synthetic fertilizer,
because the rivers wash down nutrients, so it's significantly less
energy-intensive to produce. It's then shipped across the world, but
shipping is an extremely fuel-efficient form of transport. You can
ship something 10,000 miles for the same amount of fuel necessary to
truck it 1,000 miles. So if you're getting your rice shipped to San
Francisco from Bangladesh, fewer fossil fuels were used to get it
there than if you bought it in California.


--

Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular.

...Anon

Cindy Hamilton

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Oct 15, 2007, 2:36:52 PM10/15/07
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What the hell are we supposed to eat when the ground is frozen solid
for months on end?

Get a grip.

Cindy Hamilton

James

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Oct 15, 2007, 5:24:45 PM10/15/07
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On Oct 15, 2:36 pm, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

What did people eat one hundred years ago, when shipping produce
around the world was almost unheard of (with some exceptions).

Root vegatables like potatoes, turnips, carrots, and squash, apples
are all cold stored and sold at reasonable prices throughout the
winter.

We don't stop buying imports all together, but we do reduce during the
winter.

And of course another technique was to can (or more recently freeze)
local produce to use all year round.

The reason many of our veggies are tasteless these days is they are
picked at a point where they can be transported long distances without
spoilage, which means in many cases they never fully ripened.

I go to farmers markets when I can to get local, and it does taste
better.

James

Cindy Hamilton

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Oct 16, 2007, 12:59:37 PM10/16/07
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On Oct 15, 5:24 pm, James <jl...@idirect.com> wrote:
> On Oct 15, 2:36 pm, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 13, 5:11 pm, Shadowland <saints2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > When you buy far flung produce you encourage long distance shipping.
> > > Let save all that fuel and buy local. Spending locally help your
> > > local economy also.
>
> > What the hell are we supposed to eat when the ground is frozen solid
> > for months on end?
>
> > Get a grip.
>
> What did people eat one hundred years ago, when shipping produce
> around the world was almost unheard of (with some exceptions).

What diseases did people suffer from one hundred years ago because
they couldn't get proper nutrition in the winter?

> Root vegatables like potatoes, turnips, carrots, and squash, apples
> are all cold stored and sold at reasonable prices throughout the
> winter.

I don't eat very much of any of those, except apples.

> We don't stop buying imports all together, but we do reduce during the
> winter.
>
> And of course another technique was to can (or more recently freeze)
> local produce to use all year round.

I've canned. I've frozen. I can't be bothered anymore. (Although I
might
freeze a few roma tomatoes out of my garden.)

> The reason many of our veggies are tasteless these days is they are
> picked at a point where they can be transported long distances without
> spoilage, which means in many cases they never fully ripened.
>
> I go to farmers markets when I can to get local, and it does taste
> better.

Well, so do I. But there just isn't enough capacity to feed local
produce
to everyone here all winter long.

Cindy Hamilton

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