The Reality of JESUS
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that Jesus is God, the second person in the "Holy Trinity". However,
the very Bible which is used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and
as the basis for doctrine within Christianity clearly belies this
claim. We urge you to consult your own Bible and verify that the
following conclusions are not drawn out of context:
1. God Is All Knowing.....But Jesus Was Not
When speaking of the Day of Judgement, Jesus clearly gave evidence of
a limitation on his knowledge when he said, "But of that day and hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the
son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32 and Matt. 24:36) But God knows all.
His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own
admission, did not know when the Day of Judgement would be, is clear
proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not
God.
2. God Is All-Powerful.....But Jesus Was Not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the
power he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said,
"Verily, verily I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but
what he seeth the Father do..." (John 5:19). Again he said, "I can of
mine own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgement is just;
because I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has
sent me." (John 5:30) But God is not only All-Powerful, He is also the
source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his own admission,
could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus is not all-
powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.
3. God Does Not Have A God.....But Jesus Did Have A God
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call
upon nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was One
whom he worshipped and to Whom he prayed when he said, "I ascend unto
my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." (John 20:17).
He is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my
God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt. 27:46). If Jesus were God,
then couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself, why hast thou forsaken
me?". Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's
Prayer (Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself? When in the garden of
Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup
pass from me: nevertheless, not as I will but as thou wilt." (Matt.
26:36). Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own admission
and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and prayed to
another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.
According to the Bible, God is an invisible spirit....
4. But Jesus Was Flesh And Blood
While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that
this could not be done with God when he said: "No man hath seen God at
any time." (John 1:18). "Ye have neither heard His voice at any time
nor seen His shape." (John 5:37) He also said in John 4:24: "God is a
spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in
truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen or heard God at any
time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that
Jesus was not God.
NO ONE IS GREATER THAN GOD AND NO ONE CAN DIRECT HIM...
BUT JESUS ACKNOWLEDGED
SOMEONE GREATER THAN HIMSELF WHOSE...
5. Will Was Distinct From His Own
Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
equal, and therefore not one and the same, comes again from the mouth
of Jesus himself who said in John 14:28: "My Father is greater than
I." When someone referred to him as a good master in Luke 18:19, Jesus
responded: "Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is
God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself and
God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I
of myself but He sent me." (John 8:42) Jesus gave clear evidence of
his subordination to God, rather than his equality with God, when he
said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but Thine be done" and in John 5:30,
"I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent
me." That Jesus would admit that he did not come into the world on his
own initiative but was directed to do so, that he would acknowledge
another being as greater than himself, and that he would negate his
own will in deference to affirming the will of another, give clear
proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and therefore Jesus is not
God.
Conclusion
The Church recognises the Bible as the primary source of knowledge
about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is
not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what
basis have you come to believe otherwise?
The belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity is false and completely
inconsistent with the words of Jesus as presented in the Bible. God is
one, not three. He is a perfect unity.
If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to
Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.
What Is The Word Of God About Jesus:
A. Regarding The Sonship Of Jesus:
"Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth about
which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of)
Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines
a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is."
Chapter 19, Verses 34-35
"They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" Indeed ye have
put forth a thing most monstrous! At if the skies are ready to burst
the earth to split asunder and the mountains to fall down in utter
ruin. That they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious. For it
is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He
should beget a son. Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth
but must come to (Allah) Most Gracious as a servant."
Chapter 19, Verses 88-93
"This similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam: He created
him from dust then said to him: "Be" and he was."
Chapter 3, Verse 59
"O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of
Allah aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than)
an Apostle of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a
Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Apostles. Say
not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One
Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him
belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as
a Disposer of affairs."
Chapter 4, Verse 171
B. Regarding Jesus Being God:
"And behold! Allah will say "O Jesus the son of Mary! didst thou say
unto men `worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah"? He
will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to
say). Had I said such a thing Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou
knowest what is in my heart though I know not what is in Thine. For
Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. "Never said I to them aught
except what Thou didst command me to say to wit `Worship Allah my Lord
and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst
them; when Thou didst take me up thou wast the Watcher over them and
Thou art a Witness to all things." Chapter 5, Verses 116-117
C. Regarding Crucifixion Of Jesus
"That they rejected faith: that they uttered against Mary a grave
false charge. That they said (in boast) "We killed Christ Jesus the
son of Mary the Apostle of Allah"; but they killed him not nor
crucified him but so it was made to appear to them and those who
differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only
conjecture to follow for of a surety they killed him not. Nay Allah
raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power Wise. And
there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before
his death; and on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness against
them."
Chapter 4, Verses 156-159
All Quranic quotations have been taken from the Abdullah Yusuf Ali
translation of "The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an", published by Amana
Corporation, Brentwood, Maryland, USA, 1993
All Biblical quotations have been taken from The Holy Bible
(Authorised King James Version), Riverside Book & Bible House, Iowa
Falls, IA50126, published by World Bible Publishers, Inc.
Yep
AC
"Yep" <yep@yep> wrote in message
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> Jesus used FreeBSD not linux.
Rubbish, he used a Mac....
AC
Neil Hopkins
> The Reality of JESUS Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim
Is Jesus' caps lock key sticking?
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google brights
Logan Shaw
I'm not sure which kind of computer Jesus used, but I know that when
he entered Jerusalem, a lot of his followers were using Palms.
- Logan
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Maybe, but he's upgraded to an iPhone.
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faith in the power of its message
Stormin Mormon
Thanks for the smile. "using palms". Good one.
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Calum
> And he drove a Honda. His disciples were all of one Accord.
But he rode in Triumph into Jerusalem.
Chris F.A. Johnson
> And he drove a Honda. His disciples were all of one Accord.
Were they not Civic minded?
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Logan Shaw
> In uk.media.tv.misc Logan Shaw <lshaw-...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> AC wrote:
>>> "Yep" <yep@yep> wrote in message
>>> news:47eb1828$0$18606$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>> Jesus used FreeBSD not linux.
>>> Rubbish, he used a Mac....
>> I'm not sure which kind of computer Jesus used, but I know that when
>> he entered Jerusalem, a lot of his followers were using Palms.
> Maybe, but he's upgraded to an iPhone.
Well, I don't know about that, but I know that John the Baptist
did not use a RAZR.
- Logan
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but i bet someone used one to behead him. it was probably attached to a
sword, tho.
Stormin Mormon
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"Calum" <com....@scottishwildcat.nospam> wrote in message
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Bussy Hoponhopoff
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> And he's an electrician. He went ohm to his Father in Heaven.
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> Stormin Mormon wrote:
> > And he drove a Honda. His disciples were all of one Accord.
>
> But he rode in Triumph into Jerusalem.
I heard he got nailed with Tax and went into hiding....